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pnauhwar21 said:
Irresepective of whether Hooda does it or Chautala does it, I think SEZ is actually a better thing for development of a place.

If you talk about land of farmers, how much does a farmer earns yearly on a 1 acre of farm? I don't think its more than 1-2 lakh. Even if say he earns 2 lakh per annum, a farmer with even 1acre of land is getting 23 lacs which means atleast 11 yrs. of his income right away w/o doing anything. Is that really a bad deal? With that kind of money, he can provide best of education to his children and still have some money at his disposal to buy land elsewhere and continue farming.
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You don't even get Rs. 10,000 per year from one acre.
 
chhillar said:
You don't even get Rs. 10,000 per year from one acre.
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In that case, I would have been the most happy man in the world if I was a farmer with even just 1 acre of land in the SEZ area :cool: and cried foul on the people opposing the deal just for the heck of it and ruining my life ...
 
fully agreed....

for jast agricultural alnd is thier main source of income...

SEZ devlopers are facing opposition everywhere in haryana ,punjab , up and gujarat...



kharub said:
Hooda Ji is a Jat and at the helm of power .... so he has my full support ... better him than Bhajan Lal .. any day ....

But i have serious griviences regarding his inaction or pro-harijan action in Gohana Kand ..........

The Sez's have no good purpose and dont let people fool you that they are good for the state or the people ... no ..

the people who tell you this are misstating the facts ....... the setting up of SEZ's is a big conspiracy to give our land .... at cheap rates to Ambanis

The only people who stand to gain from this are the industrialists .... the super rich will get richer and Haryanvis driven out fo their land on false promises of Jobs and prosperity ...

What prosperity will a Jat have without his land ???

So dont fool us people .....

And do you really think that locals will be employed in those new ventures ...

How many locals do you see in a HSBC or ICICI bank .. or in a Relaince office ..

How many ... ??

most of the employees in these companies are Punjabis, Banias, Pandits hardly any Jats ... Jats are a clear minority in these firms ....

Our land is being stolen from us and the jobs generated given to others ,,, this is a big conpiracy to drive jats out of their homes and to enslave them .. reduce them to mere factory labourers .... and then rule them

Something the mugals .. turks ,, pandits were never able to do ... it is being done to us on the name of economic development .....

Wake up people ... and stop licking people's bottoms because they are in power now

Get out of this slave mentality .. and stop bowing to power

Politicinas are nobodys friends .. and the last thing they care about is the common man
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nkkhoth said:
Ya hooda ke CM me te koi shuck koni par aa ke PM me shuck hai. Kadi tu na us ki jagah PM ban jaaeeye?:)
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If you are looking for somebody to break your bones...I am not the one brother...I am a peace loving Jat...Goodluck with your badmouth!!!
 
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Baat ye hai ki ab India ki economy improve ho rahi, industrialisation ho raha hai, land ki demand badh rahi hai. Ab tak Jat or famers apna khoon paseena baha ke desh ki seva karte rahe or apni jameen ko bachaye rakha.

Ab usii jameen ki value har saal tezi se badti jaa rahi hai...aj jo ek acre 23 lakh ka hai vo ek saal baad 30 25-30 lakh ka hoga.

Baki jahan tak rate ka sawaal hai...23 lakh us area ke liye jo gurgoan ke najdeek padta hai kuch bhi nahin...us area ka rate to karodon me hai baki jo jameen SEZ ke dusre chhor pe hai, gurgoan se dur uska rate 23 lakh thoda acceptable hai..lekin jyadatar area es rate se kahin jyada ka hai market ke hisab se.

Baki kuch hamare bhai kah rahe hain ki rate bahut jyada mil raha hai...to lagta hai enko dusre Jaton ko paise milte achhe naa lagte kyonki vaise bhi KOI SHAK NAHIN JAT KA JAT BAIRI wali kawahat yahan bhi lagoo ho hai.

Aap sab unki jameen ke daam badhaye jane ki mang karne ke bajaaye ulta kam kar re ho. Bahut achha lage raho tang kheechne ek dusre ki.

Ek bar ye jameen aquire ho jaye phir us area me ek acre ki keemat kai karor hogi...jyada din ki baat nahin dekh lena.





pnauhwar21 said:
In that case, I would have been the most happy man in the world if I was a farmer with even just 1 acre of land in the SEZ area :cool: and cried foul on the people opposing the deal just for the heck of it and ruining my life ...
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cheelu said:
Ab usii jameen ki value har saal tezi se badti jaa rahi hai...aj jo ek acre 23 lakh ka hai vo ek saal baad 30 25-30 lakh ka hoga.

Baki jahan tak rate ka sawaal hai...23 lakh us area ke liye jo gurgoan ke najdeek padta hai kuch bhi nahin...us area ka rate to karodon me hai baki jo jameen SEZ ke dusre chhor pe hai, gurgoan se dur uska rate 23 lakh thoda acceptable hai..lekin jyadatar area es rate se kahin jyada ka hai market ke hisab se.
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Agreed that the farmers should get as high a rate as they can get and we should vouch for the same. But my point was selling land for SEZ is not a bad thing. Even if its 23 lac, farmers are getting far more than they can earn in next 20 years.

As for increase in land rate, do you think land cost in gurgaon or its nearby places would have been so high if it was not developed in an industrial city? If all these areas still had only farming going on, the increase in land rates would have been minuscle. What else would be the reason that a land costing 23lac today would be worth 1 crore tomorrow? If farmers don't sell their land today to SEZ, why would the rates increase? With developement comes buying power and hence the inflation and rise in costs...
 
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pnauhwar21 said:
Irresepective of whether Hooda does it or Chautala does it, I think SEZ is actually a better thing for development of a place.

I am not crying foul because Ch. Hooda has decided to do it .... I hail from Rohtak and naturally more supportive of Hooda Ji .. SEZ's are fundamentally wrong in the India context .. maybe if they were put in place 20 years ago they would have been good ... but today they are a means of decieving the landowners of their land


If you talk about land of farmers, how much does a farmer earns yearly on 1 acre of farm? I don't think its more than 1-2 lakh. Even if say he earns 2 lakh per annum, a farmer with even 1acre of land is getting 23 lacs which means atleast 11 yrs. of his income right away w/o doing anything. Is that really a bad deal? With that kind of money, he can provide best of education to his children and still have some money at his disposal to buy land elsewhere and continue farming.

Your calculations are not right my dear friend ... even if a farmer earns 50000 on his little piece of land ... the land itself is an asset which increases in value every year .. so it accumulates value and provides an earning just like shares ... but is a much more safer and dependable asset .... and the land that we are talking about .. the land near NCR, the value of that land is increasing rapidly ... So not only land provided a source of income .. however meagre it maybe .... it is also an asset which increases in price and provided those poor village folks some security. Why should a Jat family who has lived in a village for generations relocate and leave everything behind, just because Ambani wants to start a factory there ?? What logic is that ??


How can you say that the SEZ's will only employ baniyas, punjabis? I have never seen in a private company that interviewer asks ur cast and then employs you. As far as ur educated and qualified you can get a job. End of the day, its survival of the fittest..Why can't Jats have the so called cosy high-paying jobs? Most of us are already doing that..

I can say that on the basis of what i see happening at present ... you tell me in a city like Rohtak .. with a dominant Jat population how many Jats do you find in a Relaince office ?? How many ??
How many are there in HSCB or ICICI ......not many mate hardly even 20%
So this is how I can say that Jats probably will not be employed there except maybe as factory labour. And in fact "most of us" is actually a minority in our Kaum .... dont fly high in the dream world ... most of the Jats because of their weak language skills and social prejudice still are not faring so well in the private sector .... So hence the jobs generated will end up with Punjabis, Pandits and Baniyas .. and the evidence is the current employment trends in big private companies


And if Jat is nothing without his farmland, how come you all are propering now? If our parents had stuck to farming, we would also be in the fields today watering the farms. Please come out of the mindset that only farming is the rozi-roti. There are numerous avenues, the need is to find and accept them. Today farms in villages get divided between 3-4 children and it will keep getting divided if everybody stays in village. What will the farmers earn with half an acre of land?


We are prospering because of that very farm land .. because we know we have a great asset .. our land .. which is anything goes wrong we can fall back on ... More than that the Jat identity itself is not complete without the ancestoral land ... without a village and the rural society ... Maybe you living in the US are too modernised and dont agree with me .... but I have lived in 8 different countries ... and still call my village home and still write Gram: Ugalan, Tehsil: Hansi as my permanent address
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And please tell me how will the SEZ's be beneficial for Jats ...
 
pnauhwar21 said:
Agreed that the farmers should get as high a rate as they can get and we should vouch for the same. But my point was selling land for SEZ is not a bad thing. Even if its 23 lac, farmers are getting far more than they can earn in next 20 years.

As for increase in land rate, do you think land cost in gurgaon or its nearby places would have been so high if it was not developed in an industrial city? If all these areas still had only farming going on, the increase in land rates would have been minuscle. What else would be the reason that a land costing 23lac today would be worth 1 crore tomorrow? If farmers don't sell their land today to SEZ, why would the rates increase? With developement comes buying power and hence the inflation and rise in costs...
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Land is an asset for generations to come and the 23 lakh that seems to have made you blind .. last not that long my friend ... the Jats of Nangloi and Bijwasan are a very good example .. they got millions for their land .. most of them now have no land and have spend most of the money and now what they do is rob people on highways .... extortion .... kidnapping .. and all that sort fo stuff .. because they got easy and big money and now they have acquired royal habits .... used to spending big money and not working .. The SEZ happy farmers will meet the same fate soon ... and their generations to come will bear the brunt

And your argument about inflation and buying power and the land not increasing in value enough is very lame ..... indeed hollow
 
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cheelu said:
Pata Nahin...waise Hooda ji ne mere khyal se Jat ke liye kuchh khaas kiyaa nahin jo uski etni tareef ki jaaye. Haan lekin Hooda Jat jaroor hai esliye to true jat leader nahin kah rahe....vo to alag baat hai.

Chalo discuss karte hain Hooda ji ne Jaton ke liye ab tak kya khas kiya hai.

Ek ne kaha jaton ki jameen saste bhav leke Ambani or Mehtas ko dedi

Ek ne kaha Gohana kand me Jaton ke liye kuchh nahin kiya.

Bakiyon ne kaha...Koi Shak?
Shak dooor karo zara likho kya kiya Hooda ji ne.
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Very true Moni ! Members, just come here with some practical facts ???
 
cheelu said:
Baki jahan tak rate ka sawaal hai...23 lakh us area ke liye jo gurgoan ke najdeek padta hai kuch bhi nahin...us area ka rate to karodon me hai baki jo jameen SEZ ke dusre chhor pe hai, gurgoan se dur uska rate 23 lakh thoda acceptable hai..lekin jyadatar area es rate se kahin jyada ka hai market ke hisab se.
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A land worth Crores is occupied just into lakhs and u ppl think that it is justified by the government and ppl are praising Hooda government for that.

What is worth praising Hooda government ????????????

Anyone ????
 
pnauhwar21 said:
Even if its 23 lac, farmers are getting far more than they can earn in next 20 years.
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Are u nuts Prashant, a land worth more than one crore per acre is occupied in 20-25 lacs per acre by govt. and presented to bizs.

Do u still think that CM is thinking about jats ?
 
Well, SEZ will bring Jobs and farmers and their kids will be employed as labrors and you can think how much they will earn. A person who is owner of an asset and proud of its heritage will merely be redused to a labror.

What will happen next? As it always happens with labrors...job insecurity and expoilatation by businesses no need to say they will be debt ridden soon.

Hope you all remeber the horrible incident in which Labrors were beaten mercilesly by the police in this same Hooda govt and nothing was done. You all must have seen that on your TV sets what treatment the police gave to Honda factory workers last year. That is the ugly reality when you live in country where corruption and political motives can lead to such things where a comman man or labror has no stand and rights.

Do you all Jats want these farmers to be redused to mere labrors in the times to come and face immenese difficulties and atrocities from govt and biz houses or you guys are in dreamland that Jat kids will become CEOs and Managers in SEZ firms....wake up guys and donot forget we lag in education and its the land which is keeping us happy.

These SEZs will only bring disaster for farmers of that area and nothing more.
 
Vijay and VJ K,

First of all, I am not praising Mr. Hooda for anything here. I neither belong to Haryana nor have any political allegiance to congress :). I am just talking about usefulness of SEZ vis-a-vis continuing farming. Secondly, lets agree to the fact that discussions can never be finished. You will have ur points and I will have mine so lets just discuss logically on those. May be end of the day, you will agree on some of mine and vice versa.

Now, for continuing the discussion, I will need some stats from you folks if you have.

1) What is the land rate for an acre in inner parts of Haryana which are not at close to Gurgaon or any industrial city?

2) What is the average land holding of a farmer in the villages of haryana including one in SEZ area?

3) What is the average annual appraisal of prices of land in inner part of haryana villages?

4) Whats the annual income of a farmer from 1 acre of land?

5) What is the price that you think is right for an acre of land and why? And do think SEZ is good if that price is given to farmers?

If you can provide this data, it will be easier to discuss else it will all be in air. And just for the discussion sake, lets not pull each other and lets not talk politics and Hooda or Chautala..
 
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1) What is the land rate for an acre in inner parts of Haryana which are not at close to Gurgaon or any industrial city?....what does it matters for the rate varies on different factors and u can't say that in faala place rate is less, so here also they should get low rate.

2) What is the average land holding of a farmer in the villages of haryana including one in SEZ area?

3) What is the average annual appraisal of prices of land in inner part of haryana villages?

4) Whats the annual income of a farmer from 1 acre of land?

10-20k per year.

5) What is the price that you think is right for an acre of land and why? And do think SEZ is good if that price is given to farmers?

Ideally they should be paid similar to market rate or somewhere near.

And, why can't the government clear their stand on SEZ(Right to Information) and explain the rate of purchase and the rate at which they are going to sell it or more transparency here.

Now if they don't want to pay market rates, then they should have some practical schemes for providing employment for the children of the people who land would be annexed.

VKharab is right, people have security right now, but once they get the money, all is gone in notime. Delhi waali hoh jaayegi naheen toh.
 
sale sale sale....

I have few acres that I bought two years back in the same area with a five acre front on a state highway...if some body is interested I am ready to sell that piece of property for 1 cr/acre...but hold on...I will give a 10 lacs/acre discount to jatland members...ok make it 20 lacs/acre...hurry
 
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