Kashmir :whats The Right Solution

[saharan21]

For the people of india kashmir is a sentimental issue and espically for us the people of northern india. we lost our many near and dear in kashmir fighting for the nation.
wat do you think is the right solution to this dispute.
the future of our next generations is unsafe if this issue is not solved peacefully as both the countries are nuclear now.
BEFORE POLLING WE SHOULD CHECK THE GROUND REALITIES AND THE PRESENT SCENERIO

 

[saharan21]

I KNOW most of us want whole of kashmir with india but is this possible?
A country which wants indian kashmir how do you think will give up the kashmir controlled by them.
one of their leader said in past that they are ready to fight for kashmir for 1000 more years. then how we get the rest of kashmir.
they are also as mad as we are for kashmir
i think making LOC as border is the good solution as this is the only visible solution to the issue right now.
a independent kashmir will not accepted by either country.
BUT IF WE MAKE LOC AS BORDER than what about the kashmiris who want independence from india. i know there are very few in kashmir but there are.

 

[rakeshdahiya]

and a bit more complex to handle in my view...

I feel that the current LOC should be made the border between both the countries.....we are both armed with nuclear weapons which is a deterrent strong enough for both the countries in trying thier hans to get Kashmir forcibly.

Moreover Pakistan has ceded a portion of kashmir to China to make it a tripartite issue.....and a bit more complex to handle in my view...besides that any war now will surely take both the countries atleast 20 years behind....therefore looking at the ground realites we should take a practical approach and solve the issue amicably......

 

[kaushalsangwan]

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I KNOW most of us want whole of kashmir with india but is this possible?
A country which wants indian kashmir how do you think will give up the kashmir controlled by them.
one of their leader said in past that they are ready to fight for kashmir for 1000 more years. then how we get the rest of kashmir.
they are also as mad as we are for kashmir
i think making LOC as border is the good solution as this is the only visible solution to the issue right now.
a independent kashmir will not accepted by either country.
BUT IF WE MAKE LOC AS BORDER than what about the kashmiris who want independence from india. i know there are very few in kashmir but there are.

hello Mr. Sahran, i am sorry to say that u r wrong when u say that there r a very few kashmiris who want independence from india. actually, 99% kashmiris just hate india n favour pakistan.

 

[dahiyarules]

There is absolutely no question that the entire Kashmir belongs to India. The Maharaja of J&K ceded it to us. If any Kashmiri is not fine with the arrangement, they can move to Pakistan just like muslims from other parts of India did.

Today Kashmiris are claiming secession. Tomorrow Hyderabad and Junagarh with claim inependence on similar premises.

I am pro-secession. But, the ground realities do not go hand in hand with my beliefs. We are under seige by fanantic islamists who are just waiting for us to split up so that they can pounce on us like hungry jackals.

Pakistan supported Mujahideen groups opnly claim that after Kashmir will come the revenge for Bangladesh. What revenge? Who slaughtered 3 million muslims in under 9 months?

 

[ratheetheraist]

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useless poll..!!

please lock this thread..!!

kashmir hamara hai.....to hai..!! controversy over..!!

aur haan saharan bhai..

this kashmir problem is one of the gifts ur kaangress party gave to india..nehru with gandhi planned this idea of separating india into pakistan nd india, so tht nehru wud easily b the P.M. f one part nd results of tht partitions hardly mattered to tht stupid pandit nehru..!! he was so selfish tht to become the P.M. he came with this disgusting idea nd he finally was successful in it with the help f gandhi.

 

[yashbeniwal]

useless poll..!!

please lock this thread..!!

kashmir hamara hai.....to hai..!! controversy over..!!

aur haan saharan bhai..

this kashmir problem is one of the gifts ur kaangress party gave to india..nehru with gandhi planned this idea of separating india into pakistan nd india, so tht nehru wud easily b the P.M. f one part nd results of tht partitions hardly mattered to tht stupid pandit nehru..!! he was so selfish tht to become the P.M. he came with this disgusting idea nd he finally was successful in it with the help f gandhi.

U r right bro,,,,,,,
kashmir is ours,,,,,

 

[ravinderdahiya]

useless poll..!!

please lock this thread..!!

kashmir hamara hai.....to hai..!! controversy over..!!

aur haan saharan bhai..

this kashmir problem is one of the gifts ur kaangress party gave to india..nehru with gandhi planned this idea of separating india into pakistan nd india, so tht nehru wud easily b the P.M. f one part nd results of tht partitions hardly mattered to tht stupid pandit nehru..!! he was so selfish tht to become the P.M. he came with this disgusting idea nd he finally was successful in it with the help f gandhi.

bhai rathee ek dum sahi, Kashmir belongs to us, & no two ways about it.

arr bhai mein tai kahuu suu unn tai kashmir gelyaa pakistann ke ek doo subbay(prant) khosan ki try shuru kar dyo, pher negotiate kar kara kay kam tai kam poora kashmir tai mill e jaaga

 

[skarmveer]

I am agree with you,

Who so ever asking independance in Kashmir is basically Pakastani. most the real kashmiries migrated from Kashmir. First of all every help or subsidy given to Kashmir to be stopped immediately and told them your at par like every indian citizen and remove 370 also and free for everybody to buy property their then only the problem will be solved.

Its ours for ever, its belongs to India only.

Regards

There is absolutely no question that the entire Kashmir belongs to India. The Maharaja of J&K ceded it to us. If any Kashmiri is not fine with the arrangement, they can move to Pakistan just like muslims from other parts of India did.

Today Kashmiris are claiming secession. Tomorrow Hyderabad and Junagarh with claim inependence on similar premises.

I am pro-secession. But, the ground realities do not go hand in hand with my beliefs. We are under seige by fanantic islamists who are just waiting for us to split up so that they can pounce on us like hungry jackals.

Pakistan supported Mujahideen groups opnly claim that after Kashmir will come the revenge for Bangladesh. What revenge? Who slaughtered 3 million muslims in under 9 months?

 

[rakeshdahiya]

Dear All, in my view its a battle between heart and mind and most of the ppl. still thing abt this issue from thier heart....if we listen to our heart then there is no doubt tat we should not part with Kashmir but if we look at the ground realities and apply some brain to the issue...the best solution can ONLY be found out through negotations and not war.....arr bhai vikas ebb nehru, gandhi ne galee bakee ka koi fada koni...yr batt 50 sal puarnee ho lee eb....or wasee bhee congress ke pachee to Janta Dal or BJP ke bhee sarkar aa ke chalee gayee....key musal pad liia unn ne.....................and this topic is really worth discussing...should not be locked...this is the most pressing issue confronting us and our nation.........be partical nor emotional....agar emotions se Kashmir milnaa hotee to 50 sall na lagtee es kam main..............and by the way its only pakistan who has been trying to get kashmir through force....be it 1947, 1965, 1971 or Kargil now...unfortunately we we just belive in defending when attacked and not fighting to win over kashmir, and we have done that perfectly.......with due respect and honour to our brave soldiers those who have laid down thier lives fighting for the country.......

 

[ravinderdahiya]

Dear All, in my view its a battle between heart and mind and most of the ppl. still thing abt this issue from thier heart....if we listen to our heart then there is no doubt tat we should not part with Kashmir but if we look at the ground realities and apply some brain to the issue...the best solution can ONLY be found out through negotations and not war.....arr bhai vikas ebb nehru, gandhi ne galee bakee ka koi fada koni...yr batt 50 sal puarnee ho lee eb....or wasee bhee congress ke pachee to Janta Dal or BJP ke bhee sarkar aa ke chalee gayee....key musal pad liia unn ne.....................and this topic is really worth discussing...should not be locked...this is the most pressing issue confronting us and our nation.........be partical nor emotional....agar emotions se Kashmir milnaa hotee to 50 sall na lagtee es kam main..............and by the way its only pakistan who has been trying to get kashmir through force....be it 1947, 1965, 1971 or Kargil now...unfortunately we we just belive in defending when attacked and not fighting to win over kashmir, and we have done that perfectly.......with due respect and honour to our brave soldiers those who have laid down thier lives fighting for the country.......

Sir,
aap kehtay ho ki emotions se milnaa hotaa too kab ka mill lettaaa, but I ask emotions ko kab respect kiyaa gaya iss maslay pe too dimag jyada laga diya gaya hai arr kaam kam,
politicians ne bhi dimag lagaya and they have taken a good care that the issue doesn't get resolved coz if that happens then they may feel deficiant interms of their election tools(mudda).
ye diplomatic shoshay baazi ko chhod kay ek baar thodaa choo dikhan ki jaroorat sai, itnay gadhaa muslii nahi karii jaa gi itnay konyaa mannay ye.

baat chit se ye baat solve ho to saktii hai, lekin sawaal hai ki negotiations kiss ki terms pe hogi. aur agar apni terms manwanii hain too baatchit kutai karnay kay baad hi theek rahegi.

 

[ss9cs]

useless poll..!!

please lock this thread..!!

kashmir hamara hai.....to hai..!! controversy over..!!

aur haan saharan bhai..

this kashmir problem is one of the gifts ur kaangress party gave to india..nehru with gandhi planned this idea of separating india into pakistan nd india, so tht nehru wud easily b the P.M. f one part nd results of tht partitions hardly mattered to tht stupid pandit nehru..!! he was so selfish tht to become the P.M. he came with this disgusting idea nd he finally was successful in it with the help f gandhi.

totally not agree with you rathi ji
we have lost thousands oF brave soldiers in kashmir fighting for us.
they laid down their lives for us. and what you are saying is that this topic is not important.shame on us
SALUTE TO INDIAN ARMY AND ITS BRAVE SOLDIERS.
WE RESPECT YOU AND WE ARE BEHIND YOU

 

[rakeshdahiya]

bhai ravinder u r right....sara mamala en politicians ne uljhaa rakhaa hai...and on both sides of the border......regarding your suggestion that we invade them and then once we win we start negotiations so thgat we have a upper hand.....bhai we did the same in 1971...even after being able to captured a large pakistani territory we let that go in Shimla Agreement.

"..........This agreement on Bilateral Relations between India and Pakistan was signed after the 1971 India-Pakistan War, in which Pakistan was defeated conclusively and which resulted in the creation of Bangladesh. India refrained from attacking or finishing off Pakistan and signed this agreement with the hope that henceforth the countries in the region would be able to live in peace with each other. The then Pakistani Prime Minister, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, also promised the then Indian Prime Minister, Mrs Indira Gandhi, that his country would accept the Line of Control (LOC) in the state of J&K as the de facto border and would not try ot de-stabilise it. This was not formally entered in the agreement because Bhutto said it would cause domestic problems for him at this juncture. Mrs Gandhi magnanimously accepted his promise and did not formalise that part of the agreement. But Pakistan, as later events were to prove, never kept its part of the deal....."


Now there are only two options left :

a) Invade Pakistan and snatch Kashmir
b) Accept LOC as the Border (in any case now India has agreed to long standing pak demand that Kashmir be treated as a disputed territory)

 

[dndeswal]

Out of context

useless poll..!!

please lock this thread..!!

kashmir hamara hai.....to hai..!! controversy over..!!

aur haan saharan bhai..

this kashmir problem is one of the gifts ur kaangress party gave to india..nehru with gandhi planned this idea of separating india into pakistan nd india, so tht nehru wud easily b the P.M. f one part nd results of tht partitions hardly mattered to tht stupid pandit nehru..!! he was so selfish tht to become the P.M. he came with this disgusting idea nd he finally was successful in it with the help f gandhi.

Here I have to say BHIN-KI-BHIN. What is the point in having a poll thread like this? Our Parliament has passed a resolution long ago that entire J&K is an integral part of India - there is no point even discussing it now. Only Pakistanis want to discuss this "problem". Even if you hand over Kashmir or part of Kashmir to Pakistan, will there be peace? No ! Teach the culprit a lesson. We have already lost many opportunities. And Kashmiris have no right to isolate themselves from the mainland. Our Constitution does not allow any region to get it separated from India or demand for it, or demand any poll or "plebiscite".

We should discuss how to regain the part of Kashmir which is now under illegal occupation of Pakistan. And our thousands of soldiers have lost their lives only because of foolishness of our leaders. Very simple solution - dissolve the J&K government and give the army a free hand for about an year. Then see the results !
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[rakeshdahiya]

Deswal Saab...with due respect i wish to say something......aggar iss problem ka solution army se possible hota to Pakistan would have resolved it by now...this way or the other (while said this am in no way comparing Indian Army with pakistan Army...we are far better and we have demonstrated that in the wars that we have fought with them)...but by mentioning pakistan military misadventures in Kashmir,am just trying to give an example...

Baki we have some more examples where force has not been able to achive much:

1. US struggled in Vietnam
2. China is continiously being rebuffed by Tiawan
3. US and other major countries have finally agrred to talk and engage North Korea

Here I have to say BHIN-KI-BHIN. What is the point in having a poll thread like this? Our Parliament has passed a resolution long ago that entire J&K is an integral part of India - there is no point even discussing it now. We should discuss how to regain the part of Kashmir which is now under illegal occupation of Pakistan. And our thousands of soldiers have lost their lives only because of foolishness of our leaders. Very simple solution - dissolve the J&K government and give the army a free hand for about an year. Then see the results !
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[dndeswal]

Baki we have some more examples where force has not been able to achive much:

1. US struggled in Vietnam
2. China is continiously being rebuffed by Tiawan
3. US and other major countries have finally agrred to talk and engage North Korea

No, Rakesh - these "Examples' are not correct. Even American constitution does not allow any of its states to gain "independence". Vietnam is not a US territory - the war in Vietnam was the war between two ideologies, not a territorial dispute. Taiwan is not the part of Chinese mainland - it is a separate island and it wants to remain separated from China only because of communism. Because of common language (Chinese), Taiwan seems more tied to China than any other country. And the day is not very far when Taiwan will be another province of China, like Hong Kong is now. China never abandoned its claim over Hong Kong, nor will do so in case of Taiwan. Let any country even talk about Taiwan's independence - you see Chinese reaction. Our leaders have shown weakness and have allowed the Kashmir issue to be internationalised, to some extent.

And similarly about North Korea - it is not a border dispute with any country. See Iran's example - it is not ready to succumb to US pressure on nuclear issue. Today, every foreigner knows Iranian President's name - very few know the name of India's PM.

And as I said, we should discuss Kashmir issue only on one point - how to regain the lost part of Kashmir from Pakistan - nothing else. Only weak nations think about "non-military or peaceful" solutions insofar as their own national boundaries are concerned. India is a vast country, why should it be bogged down on the question of its own territories?
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[ss9cs]

Here I have to say BHIN-KI-BHIN. What is the point in having a poll thread like this? Our Parliament has passed a resolution long ago that entire J&K is an integral part of India - there is no point even discussing it now. Only Pakistanis want to discuss this "problem". Even if you hand over Kashmir or part of Kashmir to Pakistan, will there be peace? No ! Teach the culprit a lesson. We have already lost many opportunities. And Kashmiris have no right to isolate themselves from the mainland. Our Constitution does not allow any region to get it separated from India or demand for it, or demand any poll or "plebiscite".

We should discuss how to regain the part of Kashmir which is now under illegal occupation of Pakistan. And our thousands of soldiers have lost their lives only because of foolishness of our leaders. Very simple solution - dissolve the J&K government and give the army a free hand for about an year. Then see the results !
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to deswal sir with due respect
parliament meh resolution pass karne say samasya ka solution ho gaya kya. pakistan neh toh aise kitne resolution pass kardiye hote abhi tak
phir toh hum ek resolution gharibi hattane ka kar dte hain GHARIBI KHATAM
NAHI sir aisa nahi hai
hame iske bare meh sochna padeka
agar public nahi sochegi toh kon sochega sir
its very easy to sy teach them a lesson but that lesson may backfire us.
we will loose thousands of troops and general public in addition to money and property. plus the threat of nuclear bombs.
just couple of years back in kargil we were on brink of nuclear war.
even accouding to TIMES mazagine KASHMIR is one of the major threat to world peace.
we have to think on this. we cant run away from this issue. its a reality whether anyone accept it or not

 

[dndeswal]

to deswal sir with due respect
parliament meh resolution pass karne say samasya ka solution ho gaya kya. pakistan neh toh aise kitne resolution pass kardiye hote abhi tak
phir toh hum ek resolution gharibi hattane ka kar dte hain GHARIBI KHATAM
NAHI sir aisa nahi hai
hame iske bare meh sochna padeka
agar public nahi sochegi toh kon sochega sir
its very easy to sy teach them a lesson but that lesson may backfire us.
we will loose thousands of troops and general public in addition to money and property. plus the threat of nuclear bombs.
just couple of years back in kargil we were on brink of nuclear war.
even accouding to TIMES mazagine KASHMIR is one of the major threat to world peace.
we have to think on this. we cant run away from this issue. its a reality whether anyone accept it or not

अगर हम और आप ऐसे ही सोचते रहे तो समझो कश्मीर गया हाथ से ! और समस्या है ही कहाँ - पाकिस्तान ही चिल्ला रहा है कश्मीर की 'समस्या' के बारे में - चिल्लाने दो उसे - बातचीत किससे करनी है - पाकिस्तान से या किसी बिचौलिये से ? पहले भी बातचीत हो चुकीं हैं - अगर हम पूरा कश्मीर भी उसको सौंप दें तो भी इस मुगालते में मत रहो कि शान्ति हो जायेगी । और छोड़ो टाईम मैगजीन की बात - ये गोरे लोग तो हमें डराकर ही रखना चाह्ते हैं । पाकिस्तान कुछ नहीं कर पायेगा - उनके न्यूक्लियर बंब से भी डरने की जरूरत नहीं है - हमारे पास भी बहुत हैं । और इस जाटलैंड पर इस बारे में अपना समय खराब करने से भी कुछ होने वाला नहीं है - जब हमारे फौजी भाइयों की नहीं सुनी जा रही तो तुम्हारी कौन सुनेगा ?
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[itsnavin]

अगर हम और आप ऐसे ही सोचते रहे तो समझो कश्मीर गया हाथ से ! और समस्या है ही कहाँ - पाकिस्तान ही चिल्ला रहा है कश्मीर की 'समस्या' के बारे में - चिल्लाने दो उसे - बातचीत किससे करनी है - पाकिस्तान से या किसी बिचौलिये से ? पहले भी बातचीत हो चुकीं हैं - अगर हम पूरा कश्मीर भी उसको सौंप दें तो भी इस मुगालते में मत रहो कि शान्ति हो जायेगी । और छोड़ो टाईम मैगजीन की बात - ये गोरे लोग तो हमें डराकर ही रखना चाह्ते हैं । पाकिस्तान कुछ नहीं कर पायेगा - उनके न्यूक्लियर बंब से भी डरने की जरूरत नहीं है - हमारे पास भी बहुत हैं । और इस जाटलैंड पर इस बारे में अपना समय खराब करने से भी कुछ होने वाला नहीं है - जब हमारे फौजी भाइयों की नहीं सुनी जा रही तो तुम्हारी कौन सुनेगा ?
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Aapki baat bilkul 16 aaney sachhi hai. Desh ki more than 60% janta yahi sochti hai ki pura Kashmir apna hee hona chahiye...lekin chakkar yeh hai ki sochney wale and karne walon mein mutual exclusion ka principle hai. Karne walon mein military nahin hai...politics hai. Jab sansad mein bill pass ho chuka hai, to derr kis baat ki hai. Problem yeh hai ki top brass mein koi bhee order dene ki jimmedari nahin lena chahata. Retaliation mein war karne ke liye sab parties taiyaar hain lekin aagey badh kar Israel ki tareh karne wala ek bhee neta nahin hai desh mein. Military is lame without a strong politician.

Jaisa ki aapney kaha ki iss topic par samay barbad karne ki jaroorat nahin...bilkul theek! lekin mere hisaab se kashmir ki samasya ke solution ke baarey mein sochna hee galat hai...jab hamari koi sun-ney hee wala nahin hai phir apna dimaag kharaab karne se kya faayda.

Lekin mujhe uss din ka intezaar rahegaa jis din hamari forces LOC cross karke, saarey POK par apna kabza kar lengi...dekho kab aata hai woh din!

 

[rraajjeevv]

Those of you who believe that by solving the Jammu and Kashmir problem, peace will prevail with Pakistan and we will wallow in love and friendship read the book Pakistan - A failed State (or at least try reading pages 117 - 131 ). You will then get to know the real psyche of our neighbours and why they act the way they do.

And by the way, the TIMES magazine is more interested in looking after the interests of USA than of India or any third world country.