Young committing suicide :-(!!

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desijat said:
I beg to differ.... :)

Some of the worst failures that corporate world has seen in recent past come from these places.

Taking of a quote of Pepsico India's director - "''Students with merely excellent academic track-records make only excellent management trainees. They are inherently averse to risk-taking. Once they are on their own in the real world, they are extremely poor at coping. The IIM-A is producing managers today whereas they need to produce leaders for tomorrow."

Our IIMs still dont give us hands on experience in India, and that is why we see many people opting to go abroad when it comes to MBA.
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And where you want to differ ?

About grounded realieties or about a perfectly business statement from a business personality.

And of course i believe that you have something better in you so that you can rate our IIT'ians and IIM's.
 
vijay said:
And where you want to differ ?

About grounded realieties or about a perfectly business statement from a business personality.

And of course i believe that you have something better in you so that you can rate our IIT'ians and IIM's.
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I differ with the views put up by ANIL (Please take a little more pain read the quoted phrase to that reply)

Unfortunatly it is a business personality that runs a business and hire these proff.

Thirdly, i do not have any parameters to judge them, i go by the opinion of leaders and then apply my little management intelligence to it(as i am a b-school graduate myself, yet to go for my post grads)
 
ygulia said:
Those people go abroad only when they do not get admission in Top Indian institutes. If you think that IIMs' and IITs" are not producing good leaders then the Managers of top companies who are hiring these graduates are fool. If you do a survey then you will find that there are many CEO's of american companies in USA who are graduates from IIM and IIT. In the last I will say you should not be jealous of IITs' and IIMs'.
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How funny will it sound - "Am going to HARVARD/YALE/INSEAD/MONASH etc etc just because i couldnt get through IIMs". . . .


and what makes you think that am jealous of IITs and IIMs? i dont have a B-School of myself that i would be jealous of them.
 
desijat said:
How funny will it sound - "Am going to HARVARD/YALE/INSEAD/MONASH etc etc just because i couldnt get through IIMs". . . .


and what makes you think that am jealous of IITs and IIMs? i dont have a B-School of myself that i would be jealous of them.
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People have quit IAS/IFS to take admission in IIM. It is easy to get admission in Havard than IMM. US universities keep seats for foreign student to generate income for university because they pay three times the fee paid by local students. I would like to mention here that you guys still count on Havard which is no longer number one in US. Right now it is Kelloggs school of Management which has tie up with Hyderabad Mgt. school. I am surprised that in couple of years after doing under graduate degree you got the knowledge and competence to analyse the performance of TOP educational institutions of the country? Rest you are smart enough to understand what I want to convey.
 
ygulia said:
People have quit IAS/IFS to take admission in IIM. It is easy to get admission in Havard than IMM. US universities keep seats for foreign student to generate income for university because they pay three times the fee paid by local students. I would like to mention here that you guys still count on Havard which is no longer number one in US. Right now it is Kelloggs school of Management which has tie up with Hyderabad Mgt. school. I am surprised that in couple of years after doing under graduate degree you got the knowledge and competence to analyse the performance of TOP educational institutions of the country? Rest you are smart enough to understand what I want to convey.
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Do you actually wish to check my knowledge? Well here it goes

The name that you are trying to figure out of the Hyd B School it is Indian School Of Business who not only has association with Kellogg(IT IS NOT KELLOGGS) but also many other B Schools(and mind you it is not a tie up).

I am sure you do not know about it but do a little more research on Great Lakes B School in Chennai, you will get an insight on more intl b schools in India.

By the way, List of B Schools changes with survey and genre, i am sure you would never find Kellogg number one besides marketing B Schools.

By the way, your knowledge of B schools is reflected by the spellings, must say real good.

Fore more please visit - http://www.forbes.com/careers/2007/08/16/best-business-schools-biz-07mba_cz_kb_0816bschool_land.html

Do see that Northwestern or KELLOGG is featured at no. 9 and the one's i mentioned in the post above like Yale, Harvard are above it. But this is no criterion to measure a B School as it differes with specialiazation.
 
desijat said:
I beg to differ.... :)

Some of the worst failures that corporate world has seen in recent past come from these places.

Taking of a quote of Pepsico India's director - "''Students with merely excellent academic track-records make only excellent management trainees. They are inherently averse to risk-taking. Once they are on their own in the real world, they are extremely poor at coping. The IIM-A is producing managers today whereas they need to produce leaders for tomorrow."

Our IIMs still dont give us hands on experience in India, and that is why we see many people opting to go abroad when it comes to MBA.
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Vikas , your difference of opinion is greatly appreciated.

But i found a fundamental flaw in the argument of yours and please correct me if i am wrong.


Your argument line is that some of the worst failures have come from these. Without even going into the details of your argument or for its verification i can say two things:

1. I mentioned that these guys can compete with anyone in the world. And by these i was not talking about 1-2 but i was being general. So 1-2 failures cannot undermine the general statements validity. Can they ?

2. Next : By no mean u have verified that the schools u r mentioning , harvard etc have had no failures. Extremes are always there and they are important but we are governed by the average things.

And again if u have took me wrong , no way i mentioned ( or at least i dint intended to ) that they are "the" best, what i meant was they are certainly among the top brass.
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Hope that helps.

And am not denying that a person not from IITs , IIMS or not from HArvards etc cant reach the top ! We have lot of examples for the same i guess.
 
On the general discussion schema , I would appreciate Vikas that he has tried to substantiate his points through facts and testimonies where as we have seen un necessary and un required extrapolations from others ! Please refrain if possible !!!
 
desijat said:
Do you actually wish to check my knowledge? Well here it goes

The name that you are trying to figure out of the Hyd B School it is Indian School Of Business who not only has association with Kellogg(IT IS NOT KELLOGGS) but also many other B Schools(and mind you it is not a tie up).

I am sure you do not know about it but do a little more research on Great Lakes B School in Chennai, you will get an insight on more intl b schools in India.

By the way, List of B Schools changes with survey and genre, i am sure you would never find Kellogg number one besides marketing B Schools.

By the way, your knowledge of B schools is reflected by the spellings, must say real good.

Fore more please visit - http://www.forbes.com/careers/2007/08/16/best-business-schools-biz-07mba_cz_kb_0816bschool_land.html

Do see that Northwestern or KELLOGG is featured at no. 9 and the one's i mentioned in the post above like Yale, Harvard are above it. But this is no criterion to measure a B School as it differes with specialiazation.
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So, you want to judge my Knowledge of 'B' schools through spellings. I do not want to indulge in this dirty game. If I look at things from your angle then I think that you do not even know how to write english. None of your sentences is grammatically correct. Any how, I think I am fortunate enough that I came to know about a person who is an AUTHORITY on B-Schools.
Thanks.
 
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Hahahahaha ...... It's jatland :)

Here personal egoism rules and that is beyond the topic of the thread itself :)

Doesn't matter who initiate it and who take a back seat sometimes ....... war is always on :)
 
sidchhikara said:
These kids are worried about their future. College and jobs.
Get the government out of education - school and college. No government regulation on syllabus, research spending. capacity etc etc. These kids will have more opportunities, choices and will be treated more humanely by the schools, colleges and parents. Where are the parents in all of this? they are also partly responsible for this.

There is cut-throat competition eveywhere - especially medical / engineering - and what do we have to show for, after all is said and done, we produce an army of drones who do a lot of repetitive computer programming for the developed world. What a shame!! Those poor kids did not need to die for it.

Oh God !! I hate our politicians, but our politicians are just a reflection of the ignorant people who vote for them.
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something on the same note which i always curse is that there's a strict demarcation of streams...science, commerce, arts etc... when my dad forced me into science studies, and being a kid i coudn't rebel, though later on i did...i always used to have this fancy if i could take up literature with science...and it's nothing whimsical...i had an equal liking for some of the subjects from all three streams... i wanted to study biology + literature + economics...but there was no such provision of taking all three in one course...and i had to take a long course later on...

govt should dissolve this demarcation...and let us have more varied options...
 
don't talk on reasons talk on remedies

Upbringing the kids...
Away from responsibilities ...
Undue attention ...
Comparision ... self friend circles / parents / teachers
Pressure from all side ...
Every one want to be super human .. who want to achieve more than his/her capacity
Stress from every side


Some of the reasons not more than that ......

reasons are many and can be discussed in detail ..... but we should focus on what is the remedy for these .. that why the children are so much stressed ... how to gie them back their childhood.....
 
Its ridiculous

sanjeetsparp said:
Upbringing the kids...
Away from responsibilities ...
Undue attention ...
Comparision ... self friend circles / parents / teachers
Pressure from all side ...
Every one want to be super human .. who want to achieve more than his/her capacity
Stress from every side


Some of the reasons not more than that ......

reasons are many and can be discussed in detail ..... but we should focus on what is the remedy for these .. that why the children are so much stressed ... how to gie them back their childhood.....
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Rightly said, I have noticed that at many a places here people just run a race to highlight the factors that are responsible for any given problem and discussion revolves around the problem and solution to that can be seen nowhere !

The very first point I made in this thread was that its ok that we, as a country have lots of problems, lots of malpractices breeding around, truck load of dirty politicians and much needs to be done to resolve those problems and it will surely take time.

But in the meanwhile, cant we try to change our attitude and not just act like foolish rebels ? Cant we atleast keep on contributing our share of goodness ? Cant we make ourselves understand that such criticizing is beneficial only if it gives us an insight into the root cause, but keep on going with criticism will not do anything for us ? If our educational set up is not good and our government is not doing much for it then embracing suicide as a solution is fine ?

In nutshell, act of committing suicide is not the result of our inefficient systems, its the result of our own inefficiency to move on with fighting spirit, its a token of our succumbing in front of adversities.

Why is it that we expect a perfect system, why dont we go forward and do efforts to make it perfect ? Its easy to fight a battle on paper but quite tough when it comes to the battlefield of practicality. We should fuss over issues and problems, but to an extent, otherwise it ends up being blowing a useless trumpet which anyone can do easily. I dont get why should a young commit suicide if his country is not the best, why cant he take a vow to give every moment of his life (which he was upto ending) to do something good for his country !
 
shwetadhaka said:
Rightly said, I have noticed that at many a places here people just run a race to highlight the factors that are responsible for any given problem and discussion revolves around the problem and solution to that can be seen nowhere !

The very first point I made in this thread was that its ok that we, as a country have lots of problems, lots of malpractices breeding around, truck load of dirty politicians and much needs to be done to resolve those problems and it will surely take time.

But in the meanwhile, cant we try to change our attitude and not just act like foolish rebels ? Cant we atleast keep on contributing our share of goodness ? Cant we make ourselves understand that such criticizing is beneficial only if it gives us an insight into the root cause, but keep on going with criticism will not do anything for us ? If our educational set up is not good and our government is not doing much for it then embracing suicide as a solution is fine ?

In nutshell, act of committing suicide is not the result of our inefficient systems, its the result of our own inefficiency to move on with fighting spirit, its a token of our succumbing in front of adversities.

Why is it that we expect a perfect system, why dont we go forward and do efforts to make it perfect ? Its easy to fight a battle on paper but quite tough when it comes to the battlefield of practicality. We should fuss over issues and problems, but to an extent, otherwise it ends up being blowing a useless trumpet which anyone can do easily. I dont get why should a young commit suicide if his country is not the best, why cant he take a vow to give every moment of his life (which he was upto ending) to do something good for his country !
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Dint see anything that could have catered as a solution :confused:

A few bullet point can help !!! Please refrain from essays :p:D
 
seemasindhu said:
something on the same note which i always curse is that there's a strict demarcation of streams...science, commerce, arts etc... when my dad forced me into science studies, and being a kid i coudn't rebel, though later on i did...i always used to have this fancy if i could take up literature with science...and it's nothing whimsical...i had an equal liking for some of the subjects from all three streams... i wanted to study biology + literature + economics...but there was no such provision of taking all three in one course...and i had to take a long course later on...

govt should dissolve this demarcation...and let us have more varied options...
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Good point......... government should just leave us alone....... at all times.....on all occasions...........at all costs. Don't need them.......... they never did any good for me except cause inconvenience and abject sense of hopelessness....showed the worst face of humanity........ I absolutely detest government interference in any facet of my life.

The government is stealing the future of so many young people.... so much so that they are ready to commit suicide...... the farmers are also driven to the same fate.

Indians deserve it because we are a corrupt, apathetic society. Thats why I don't get choked up on calls for nationalism
 
sidchhikara said:
Good point......... government should just leave us alone....... at all times.....on all occasions...........at all costs. Don't need them.......... they never did any good for me except cause inconvenience and abject sense of hopelessness....showed the worst face of humanity........ I absolutely detest government interference in any facet of my life.

The government is stealing the future of so many young people.... so much so that they are ready to commit suicide...... the farmers are also driven to the same fate.

Indians deserve it because we are a corrupt, apathetic society. Thats why I don't get choked up on calls for nationalism
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Dear Sid ..... Govt. and Society were like this ... is like this and will be like this .... and we are the part of this system .... Its only the youth has to change the system .... and if the youths are not courragious ... and in their view the solutions is just Suicide .. then no point in changing the system for that .....The system will follow those who kicks the system and mold it their way .... the opportunities are available for every one ..... weather its job, education etc..... But its time to educate teachers and parents that .... stop treating their kid as super Boy/ Super Girl .... or face these situation ....Who elect the Govt .... and these people are no-one .... 10th pass, 12th pass, no vision ..... beaurocrats .. are like their dogs .... no policies ... so we have to be with these illiterates and we have to modify the system at our level .... atleast in the neighbourhood ......Ye Suicide ... metro cities main hi hain ... gaaoon main jehaan expectations hamesha kam rehti hain ... kisi ko koi farak nahi pedta ....So stop being too much ambicious and be in reality .. this is the line for the parents and teachers on metro cities
 
I agree with Sanjeet. If we are not satisfied with the system then we should make efforts to change it the way we want it. Efforts may not bear fruits instantaneously but in the long run it always pays.
 
These are the symptoms of cultural erosion

:)Whatever posted on this thread is true but that is not the whole truth.We must ask ourselves, what is the purpose of life. What is important in life and where is society heading.
Integrity, honesty, truth and character are the basis for contentment in life. Without contentment, there can be no peace and without peace there is no happiness.
In our society there is increasing unhappiness and dissatisfaction with quality of life. Because all of a sudden we have discarded our cultural values and started chasing material possessions at all costs. It is like shadow chasing. Every one wants to get rich very very quickly because success in life is being measured by amount of possessions. Who does not want to be successful.
Take a breather and think of the moment when you were the happiest in life. Chances are that it came free of cost. Then why do we crave material possessions so much ? By no means we can survive without necessities of life. But the real problem is lack of confidence in our cultural values which forces us to reprioritise things in our life, believing that material possessions will compensate for loss of integrity.But that does not happen and individual is doomed to eternal craving and dissatisfaction in life.
When that happens to individuals, they will try to justify their actions and mostly it is claimed to be for the sake of family. We have not learnt from the example of Valmiki (believe readers know the story of turning point in Valmiki's life and creation of Ramayan). The solution is staring in the face, only if we would see it. Achieve whatever you can, but do not compromise your personal integrity. If a child fails in the exam, it is not a sin. Parents need to motivate children to pay attention in class and be a good student and ultimately good citizen. Also child must have confidence in parents that if he/she did not top the class parents will not be harsh and understand. We live in an imperfect world and no amount of blaming others, be it Govt., politicians (after all they are part of the society only) will help. The solution lies in reprioritising our own lives. Strength of character will contribute to self confidence and success in life. There is nothing to fear but the fear itself. Those who believe in this statement will certainly exude confidence and will not be slave to transitory possessions and ego. Did any one notice that over the decades people in our society are becoming more impatient and angry. These are all outward symptoms of inner fear of failure for which young students commit suicides. Every one of us can try and find time to alleviate this fear in those around us. Let us hope young lives can be saved through such efforts.
 
scsheorayan said:
:)Whatever posted on this thread is true but that is not the whole truth.We must ask ourselves, what is the purpose of life. What is important in life and where is society heading.
Integrity, honesty, truth and character are the basis for contentment in life. Without contentment, there can be no peace and without peace there is no happiness.
In our society there is increasing unhappiness and dissatisfaction with quality of life. Because all of a sudden we have discarded our cultural values and started chasing material possessions at all costs. It is like shadow chasing. Every one wants to get rich very very quickly because success in life is being measured by amount of possessions. Who does not want to be successful.
Take a breather and think of the moment when you were the happiest in life. Chances are that it came free of cost. Then why do we crave material possessions so much ? By no means we can survive without necessities of life. But the real problem is lack of confidence in our cultural values which forces us to reprioritise things in our life, believing that material possessions will compensate for loss of integrity.But that does not happen and individual is doomed to eternal craving and dissatisfaction in life.
When that happens to individuals, they will try to justify their actions and mostly it is claimed to be for the sake of family. We have not learnt from the example of Valmiki (believe readers know the story of turning point in Valmiki's life and creation of Ramayan). The solution is staring in the face, only if we would see it. Achieve whatever you can, but do not compromise your personal integrity. If a child fails in the exam, it is not a sin. Parents need to motivate children to pay attention in class and be a good student and ultimately good citizen. Also child must have confidence in parents that if he/she did not top the class parents will not be harsh and understand. We live in an imperfect world and no amount of blaming others, be it Govt., politicians (after all they are part of the society only) will help. The solution lies in reprioritising our own lives. Strength of character will contribute to self confidence and success in life. There is nothing to fear but the fear itself. Those who believe in this statement will certainly exude confidence and will not be slave to transitory possessions and ego. Did any one notice that over the decades people in our society are becoming more impatient and angry. These are all outward symptoms of inner fear of failure for which young students commit suicides. Every one of us can try and find time to alleviate this fear in those around us. Let us hope young lives can be saved through such efforts.
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Why do you think they are becoming impatient and angry? Why is the inner fear of students so great that it leads them to suicide.
This is my take on it:
People are impatient and angry because there is no fairness, there is no rule of law. You might work hard to achieve something in life and somebody with some political contacts or enough muscle will come in and take that opportunity away from you - that is just one small example, there are many more.
The students are scared because they donot have lot of choices because higher education is tightly controlled by the government. That is a fact.

It is easy to lecture but the reality is that things are in the $hitter and there is a need to speak out about it instead of being content with status quo. When ehough people make enough noise - change is possible. Case in point: Jessica Lall murder case.

Sir, what culture are you talking about?? culture of corruption? I hope it erodes really fast.
 
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