Why do i still serve you?

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this is the soldier from Leh i was talking about , ya remem his name Jigmet Namgyal
and we have a million like him
i joined army at 17, at 21 i was in a wheelchair and my disability pension which i got after pursuing proper channels for two years is 2,600 Rs and when i was in hospital for 2yrs and my father attending to me, a baniya occupied our house (only property we had) and put a case on us in court saying that me and my dad are musclemen with political connections and trying to vacate him, a legal tenant, by force.. i have no complaints, never had, but baba atleast dont tell me that army soldiers are having 5star life.
the govt and people might be ungrateful but you are now wanting the soldiers to feel guilty of their luxurious life.
 
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rajivsp said:
Do you know anybody who is happy with his job in India, whether its Army or its private/govt. sector or its Farming. We Have habit of criticizing.

I am not sure but still the rejection rate in SSB is more than 85%.


We serve India coz its our motherland.

you serve India coz you are paid for that!!!!!!!!!!!!

from the age of 17 you are availing 5 * facilities on the expenditure of Govt. of India. and Now your are asking Why do I still serve you????????
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i am yet to see the 5* facilities
 
rajivsp said:
Do you know anybody who is happy with his job in India, whether its Army or its private/govt. sector or its Farming. We Have habit of criticizing.

I am not sure but still the rejection rate in SSB is more than 85%.


We serve India coz its our motherland.

you serve India coz you are paid for that!!!!!!!!!!!!

from the age of 17 you are availing 5 * facilities on the expenditure of Govt. of India. and Now your are asking Why do I still serve you????????

well brother .......i dont know what to say u but after ur reply ...i got to know that u have some other kind of head case .....

hahahahahha , you serve India coz you are paid for that!!!!!!!!!!!!..

in the age of 17 when u were chilling around with your friends .........forces chaps are on the drillll getting tougher (to save ur motherland )

they guys have given a per note that we will take life to save motherland and we will give our life to save mother land at the age of 20 .......(which is yours brother )
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We serve India coz its our motherland.

and plz let me know what u have done to serve your motherland

what did u done ....elooborate here in the thread
 
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raj2rif said:
1. Firstly, I think SSB is a very comprehensive selection process. They do have a minimu and maximu level lines running parallel to the X axis of the graph. What they look forward for is the one who falls within these lines.

2. Having vacancies in the armed forces does not mean they should select sub standard material for the cost of wrong judgement in armed forces is fatal. All the young people selected to lead the troops in battle have to be selected very carefully. .
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Though don't know about the past but at present in many cases a non-deserving candidate gets selected over a deserving one. Don't know where the fault lies but have seen personally when a 4th time repeater in SSB Allahabaad got selected though he hardly carry any of the OLQs in his personality whereas on other side there were some enough gud candidates in the same group but got rejected. And it is not like that it happens in a rare case, it's a common phenomenon now a days.

Now ppl say that who are we to decide whether a person who is selected is deserving or non-deserving, then I want to say that if a person is zero when it comes to knowledge and communication skills, and it is just because of him that group failed to perform well as he hardly co-operated with others and when it comes to physical strength then I don't think he was so good then any other in his group. So when such a candidate gets selected then I don't think that one require lots of calculations to know how the person he is.

One side they talk about 15 OLQs (Officers like qualities) and say we look for these qualities in a candidate but on other side they select such a person who hardly carry any quality and reject easily a person who has some guts. One can see how disappointing it could be for others. It's not like this that youth is not willing to join armed forces but when they see such a partiality in selection process none of them come back next time for the interview.
 
navingulia said:
brother rajeev paweria
you are so wrong that it makes me smile
1. i wish you could stand at a place where a bullet can tear your face into shreds anytime and to know what it feels like being there.
2. and the best mention you will get in the news next day will be "2 terrorists and two army men killed". your death will be mentioned in same breath as terrorists.
3. your family will fight and divide over the 10lakh they get for your death.
4. your young wife will go away leaving your old parents to fend for themselves.
5. your child will never know what a dad is.

Out of my course mates who passed out (i was casuality in a training accident), there are so many who are dead (where as we live on, ungreatful) , there are so many who have had their leg torn off to shreds by a landmine, those who are in wheelchairs, recently i met a young newly married officer with only one arm, i met a soldier from a village in Leh who has lost both his arms, both his eyes and his hearing power.
5* luxuries?????
my smile is still there :)
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I don't think it could be explained better then this. No body care for the soldier, neither public nor the government.
 
Dear Tavathia Sir,

I would love to listen more about this topic. Its your kindness and our fortune that you are taking time out of your busy schedule andsharing your valuable opinions with us.

Thanks and regards

rajiv
 
mukeshkumar007 said:
Though don't know about the past but at present in many cases a non-deserving candidate gets selected over a deserving one. Don't know where the fault lies but have seen personally when a 4th time repeater in SSB Allahabaad got selected though he hardly carry any of the OLQs in his personality whereas on other side there were some enough gud candidates in the same group but got rejected. And it is not like that it happens in a rare case, it's a common phenomenon now a days.

Now ppl say that who are we to decide whether a person who is selected is deserving or non-deserving, then I want to say that if a person is zero when it comes to knowledge and communication skills, and it is just because of him that group failed to perform well as he hardly co-operated with others and when it comes to physical strength then I don't think he was so good then any other in his group. So when such a candidate gets selected then I don't think that one require lots of calculations to know how the person he is.

One side they talk about 15 OLQs (Officers like qualities) and say we look for these qualities in a candidate but on other side they select such a person who hardly carry any quality and reject easily a person who has some guts. One can see how disappointing it could be for others. It's not like this that youth is not willing to join armed forces but when they see such a partiality in selection process none of them come back next time for the interview.
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No partiality is being carried out at the SSB
There are certain Qualities which the board looks for as u mentioned OLQ's.
it may seem to any one that an individual is fit and have those qualities
but the SS is designed in a manner where no all individuals are scanned throughly
it is the only procedure which has been in voguge since years and no other organisation spends so much money on selection procedure as the SSB does
their integrity is beyond doubt
 
Dear Navin Bhai

Thanks for showing me the mirror. My post was only for those commissioned officers of our armed forces (not all), who got selected in NDA at the age of 17, And still unhappy.

( Second hand informations I got from my cousin who got commissioned in Navy after NDA, then done engineering, then MBA from Singapore and most of the time all expenses was in our defence account).

with warm regards

Rajiv

PS : You are great instead of becoming angry, you smiled on my post. Keep it up.
 
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rajivsp said:
in the age of 17 when u were chilling around with your friends .........forces chaps are on the drillll getting tougher (to save ur motherland )

and plz let me know what u have done to serve your motherland

what did u done ....elooborate here in the thread
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Sorry Angry Young Man

Right now I am unable to answer all your question. In future I will.........

For time being the only thing I can say " our motherland not mine".

Thanks and Regards

rajiv
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Dear Tavathia Sir

If you dont' mind, I request you to answer a question of mine, because you are the only person who can answer it in a practical way without being emotional.

How many persons are joining armed forces to serve our nation and if they have some better option in terms of money/flexibility still they will join? I know there is shortage of officers, and that is the answer of my question, but still I want to know some rough figure i.e. 10% really ready to die or ready to tolerate all hardships explained in thread.

And as I have seen most of the Majors or Colonels are taking voluntary retirement, If they become General, still they would like to quit. I heard that General is like a king.

I raise this question because many engineers are also invited for SSB, and most of them wanted to join army for good salary and better life style only, it is my personal experience.

Sorry to bother you again.

with warm regards

Rajiv
 
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rajivsp said:
Dear Tavathia Sir

If you dont' mind, I request you to answer a question of mine, because you are the only person who can answer it in a practical way without being emotional.

How many persons are joining armed forces to serve our nation and if they have some better option in terms of money/flexibility still they will join? I know there is shortage of officers, and that is the answer of my question, but still I want to know some rough figure i.e. 10% really ready to die or ready to tolerate all hardships explained in thread.

And as I have seen most of the Majors or Colonels are taking voluntary retirement, If they become General, still they would like to quit. I heard that General is like a king.

I raise this question because many engineers are also invited for SSB, and most of them wanted to join army for good salary and better life style only, it is my personal experience.

Sorry to bother you again.

with warm regards

Rajiv
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If you like this career then go for it. Everyone is doing service to the nation in one form or another. It is another thing that career in Armed Forces and teaching are considered noble professions.
 
I liked it very much but alas I didnt' have required OLQs. And now I am too old to join Army. Anyways thanks a lot for your kind advice.

with warm regards

rajiv
 
bhai rajeev
in army there is something called as regimentation, you are trained and motivated to die not only for country but for the honour of your comrades in arms and your regiment.
if you visit some regiments, especially fighting arms, you will be amazed to see how many soldiers and officers are willing to die.
no body will charge against a hail of bullets even if you give him 1 lakh rs, he will give you 2 lakh and ask you to go. only motivation and honor of your colleagues who are dying around you, and honor of regt and country can motivate you to charge against bullets.
again my personal views, no claims of correctness.
bhai rajeev, you are expressing your views from where you see it, ssb, job and dying in war are very different scenarios.
 
rajivsp said:
Dear Tavathia Sir

If you dont' mind, I request you to answer a question of mine, because you are the only person who can answer it in a practical way without being emotional.

How many persons are joining armed forces to serve our nation and if they have some better option in terms of money/flexibility still they will join? I know there is shortage of officers, and that is the answer of my question, but still I want to know some rough figure i.e. 10% really ready to die or ready to tolerate all hardships explained in thread.

And as I have seen most of the Majors or Colonels are taking voluntary retirement, If they become General, still they would like to quit. I heard that General is like a king.

I raise this question because many engineers are also invited for SSB, and most of them wanted to join army for good salary and better life style only, it is my personal experience.

Sorry to bother you again.

with warm regards

Rajiv
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Rajiv ji,
there are so many officers who join defence forces not for money but for pride and honour attached with it. it is totally a different feeling of commanding respect from the men.
i know so many officers of the defence forces who have got a well established family buisness and there is no requirement for them to join forces to earn their living, but they join for the pride and honour attached with the uniform.
there are many officers , specially maj and col's and equivalent who wants to quit forces and join the multinationals. this feeling has not just come overnight. everybody wants to expand himself and wants a prosperous life. no doubt that the defence forces gives u this opportunity but there are certain reforms which are to be carried out and the government has to take sum action if they really want to reatin ofiicers back.
 
failing or passing in ssb is no big deal. i passed in 1991 and there were people 10 times more intelligent than me who did not. even if i wouldnot have cleared wouldnt have made me lesser.
if one wants to serve there are innumerous ways. i did 4 yrs rigorous training besides ssb too, and i dont remember even one day that i might have regretted. like i say, i feel there is a much much bigger war to be won in the society, a war with ourselves.
And sitting here, i know, there are more chances of me dying before seeing any success (its a big big war) but still i would prefer dying with those dreams, rather than living without them. (see my signature)
 
navingulia said:
failing or passing in ssb is no big deal. i passed in 1991 and there were people 10 times more intelligent than me who did not. even if i wouldnot have cleared wouldnt have made me lesser.
if one wants to serve there are innumerous ways. i did 4 yrs rigorous training besides ssb too, and i dont remember even one day that i might have regretted. like i say, i feel there is a much much bigger war to be won in the society, a war with ourselves.
And sitting here, i know, there are more chances of me dying before seeing any success (its a big big war) but still i would prefer dying with those dreams, rather than living without them. (see my signature)
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Good Josh Navin
keep it up
 
I slaute the Indian forces.

But I am not agree with this thread....Army officers get very good salaries, with subsidised canteens, 2-3 servants....free air and train tickets...almost free drinks and clubs....AND if you calculate the cost, it is much much higher than anyone who works for a private company...

This dis-satifaction is coming bcz " doosre ki thali mein ghee jyada dikhta hai.."

For the last 35 years...we havnt been any big war....so most of the officers retire without shooting a bullet on enemy....

This is not for hurting anyone....but this is true and facts based...
 
Thanks a lot brothers, I hope in few days I will know lots about our defence forces, Laxman Sir also started a new Thread "Know your soldiers". Thank you sir.

I hope all these informations will inspire us, and we will be more sincere and dedicated towards our duties.

We study stories of our heroes in books from childhood, stories of Bhagat Singh, Maharan Pratap, Bose, Shivaji and many many many more....... But in real life (life of a civilians like me) never get a chance to meet similar personalities.......

But sure in Our Army we can see those personalities........

Hope this thread will be continued and tell more about our soldiers......

Jai Hind Ki Sena
 
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