Problems due to the 'Kawar' in UP and some other areas

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Us samay bhee to tumaharey jasay log hote they.

Us samy bhee aapney dharm ka majak udaney waley hote they nahi to gori ke kaya majal jo wo shiv mandir kee chokhat bhee paar ker pata usey lootey key liyea.

Or janhan tak dusrey desh kee baat hai to Moritius mein bhee har saal kanwar yatra badee dhoom dham say hoti hai.

Sid bhai 1 kaam karo aap bhi kawar lelo aur nikal paado yaahan k liye :D because mujhe lagta hai aur country me koi nahe laata kawar to waaha bahut problem aane wale hai;)
Muhe yaad aate hai wo baat jab Mhd. Gauri ne Shiv temple par 20 baar hamla kiya loot kar le gaya sab aur waahan ke Pande kehte rahe k bhagwan apne aap apne raksha karenge. To mai kehta hun k raste kyo baand karte ho aan do in kawariyo ko bhagwan hain aunke sath.
 
A Dictator can't be a God Loving or God Fearing person. I mean , can you imagine, a dictator having faith in God?

A dictator can behave only the way, you have suggested.
Order Run a truck in their kawar stand, order run over Kawarias by a Blue Line bus...

It is a matter of one's faith. Could all of you who oppose Kawars control your urge to express your disliking, disgust against them. No, because you have developed a belief that Kawars is not a holy act and is sheer waste of time money and burden on Govenment and public infrastructure.

On the other hand, the believers are those who mostly developed this faith from their childhood. In fact I have read some study on twins which explains that more than 40-50% faith in religion is determined by genetics.

I believe,mostly people who go on this pilgrimage are true believers.There may be a small %age of people who go out of fun with not much 'Sharadha' in what they are doing. Also, there may be a small %age who go to Haridwar, because it is easy to transport some"Sulfa, Affeem and Bhang" in their Kaawars.

Finally I would say, it is twice a year ritual, then why can't Local/ State government make a separate pathway, say 10 feet wide along the Highway with some cross over/under bridges.
Someone has put the figure that every time about 5 lacs people take part in this pilgrimage. How much more it would cost to host a political really of same magnitude at Boat club Delhi?

Govts are there not only to safeguard the public physically but protect their faith and values too. I am not advocating here Idol worship. But question is whether we can change their faith or rather waste our energy to change their faith or let them believe in what ever they feel right. Government's job is to provide safety to those engaged in that lawful activity and our job is respect their feelings!


God bless all!



Totally agreed sir...
 
Jo log apney samaj ko gaali deyker aapney aap ko Budhi Jevee samjhtey hai wo vastav mien aapnee nakameyeo ko chhopa rahey hote hai. Jo log aapney roots ko galat bataker aapna monh modney kee koshish karetey hai eak din wo es sansaar mein akeley reh jatey hai.

Jab hum eak parivaar mein rehtey hai to hamey eak dusrey key saath adjust karna padta hai nahi to wanhan bhee hum eak saath nahe reh saktey fir yea to pura samaj hai.

Jo log aapney samaj, Dharm or desh ko hamesha galat thaharey ke koshish kartey hai unhey "varn-shanker" kaha jata hai.


Hey sir g mujhe vilan mat baniye mai apney samaj aur bhagwan ko gaali nahe de raha hun, mai 1 baat bata raha hun k 70% oh these kawaria's are going just 4 fun. Accha ye roots 10 saal pehle kaahan thee tab itne log kyo nahe jaate thee kawar lene.
Ok jaara iss par Nazar daaleye
Today- 3500000 log jate hai kawar lene jo hua total population ka .29166 agar total population hai 120crores aaj ok
10 saal pehle- hardly 100000 log jate thee kawar k liye jo hua 0.0111 agar total population thee 90crores
sir g aaj kal ke youth ko dekhte hue ye numbers kaam hone chaaheye thee na badhne ok mai batata hun k kyo baade because aaj kal jayda unemployment hai jayada log free hain.

Please note that i m not against the GOD i am a strong beleiver of god.
 
Us samy bhee aapney dharm ka majak udaney waley hote they nahi to gori ke kaya majal jo wo shiv mandir kee chokhat bhee paar ker pata usey lootey key liyea.

Or janhan tak dusrey desh kee baat hai to Moritius mein bhee har saal kanwar yatra badee dhoom dham say hoti hai.


Arre Sir g galat ho gaya apse wo aplogo jaise thee, sir g mere jaise log thee tab bhi wo thee wo waahan ke king jo unn Pandito(Mandir ke) se kehte thee k hum ladai kar ke is Gauri ko khatam kar dete hain, but aaplogo jaise wo Pande bhagwan ke naam par sab hone dete thee aur kehte thee k bhagwan apne aap apne raksha kar lenge.
Kuch log bhagwan ka naam lekar saare baaten sahe thaarane ke koshish karte hain.
 
Jasey -jesay burai badhti hai dharm bhee badhta hai.

Bhai Nishant aapnee chhoti see pareshanee key liyea hee agar hum kesee dharmik kam kee burai karengey to log usey kya kahengey.

Main kam say kam 100 easay logo ko janta hun jo is kanwar seva main lagey hotey hai unmey say koi bhee unemployed nahi hai wo sabhee welsettled hai sarey hee padheylikhey hai or fir bhee 15-20din aapney kam say chhotti leker is kam mein lag jatey hai.

Tumhey jan ker achambha hoga ke eak kanwar Shivir bheroghati(From Delhi 9 km before Gangotri) main lagta hai or usakey organiser 4 Jat hai jo
is shivir per lagbhag 25lakh kharch ker rahey hai. Inkey sath 20 or log hote hai jo wanhan seva karetey hai or 20 halwai, 20 tent etc ka kam karney waley labour hotey hai, 10 Vehicle with driver and cleaner. In sabhee ko lagbhag eak mahina lagta hai. Main bhee ismey kuchh share dalta hun or is baar wahan gaya bhee tha.

Is eak shivir main 60 logo ko kam mila sochoo kitney shivir lagtey hai or kitney logo ka bhala hota hoga. or agar tumhari yea baat maan lee jay key sarey berojgaar jatey hai kanwar leney keukee wanhan free khana or sona milta hai to bhee yea to dharm ka hee kam hai jismay lakho logo ko kuchh din key liyea free khana or sona milta hai.






Hey sir g mujhe vilan mat baniye mai apney samaj aur bhagwan ko gaali nahe de raha hun, mai 1 baat bata raha hun k 70% oh these kawaria's are going just 4 fun. Accha ye roots 10 saal pehle kaahan thee tab itne log kyo nahe jaate thee kawar lene.
Ok jaara iss par Nazar daaleye
Today- 3500000 log jate hai kawar lene jo hua total population ka .29166 agar total population hai 120crores aaj ok
10 saal pehle- hardly 100000 log jate thee kawar k liye jo hua 0.0111 agar total population thee 90crores
sir g aaj kal ke youth ko dekhte hue ye numbers kaam hone chaaheye thee na badhne ok mai batata hun k kyo baade because aaj kal jayda unemployment hai jayada log free hain.

Please note that i m not against the GOD i am a strong beleiver of god.
 
Kar liya Note. ab thaam de teri is kawar katha ne !! :cool:


Hehehehe ok bhai waise mere kisse se ladai na re Mukesh na Kawariyo se na bhagwan se aur na apne pyare Jatland ke members se.
Bas bhai mere bahut sare buuri aadato me se 1 ya bhi hai k jo mujhe sahe lagta hai mai usko bol deta hun. Maine bas 1 problem rakhee thee yahan par iss taage me.
 
Mainey aaj tak dharm mein koi burai nahi dhundee or na hee paee

Main to aaj bhee tumahey jaisay khamakhan burai karney walo key against hun or tab bhee yeahi karta. Or bhai tumaharey pey to do din kee pareshanee hee sahan nahi ho rahi ladai kya kartey us may bhee koi bahana hee dhundtey jissay koi khatra nahi rehta or wahi un pandito ney kiya tha.


Arre Sir g galat ho gaya apse wo aplogo jaise thee, sir g mere jaise log thee tab bhi wo thee wo waahan ke king jo unn Pandito(Mandir ke) se kehte thee k hum ladai kar ke is Gauri ko khatam kar dete hain, but aaplogo jaise wo Pande bhagwan ke naam par sab hone dete thee aur kehte thee k bhagwan apne aap apne raksha kar lenge.
Kuch log bhagwan ka naam lekar saare baaten sahe thaarane ke koshish karte hain.
 
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Arre Sir g galat ho gaya apse wo aplogo jaise thee, sir g mere jaise log thee tab bhi wo thee wo waahan ke king jo unn Pandito(Mandir ke) se kehte thee k hum ladai kar ke is Gauri ko khatam kar dete hain, but aaplogo jaise wo Pande bhagwan ke naam par sab hone dete thee aur kehte thee k bhagwan apne aap apne raksha kar lenge.
Kuch log bhagwan ka naam lekar saare baaten sahe thaarane ke koshish karte hain.

Infact,the biggest question of each one life span is to identify "right" or "wrong"...but everybody jumps on conclusion so hastly......and always finds himself right and more unfortunately, imposes his/her thoughts on others..all these is driven by his/her basic instinct....so..plz......don't mould the topic ............should focus how the more kaawrias can be crushed....:):)
 
My views on it !!

I usually refrain from giving my views in any public forum, because it always invites more of the destructive criticism. But after going through all the posts above, I believe my opinion could go one step further to redress that balance.

Now this whole thing of bringing KAWAR from Haridwar to one's native place, includes three types of people.
1. Those that actually are doing it out of their blind faith in God.
2. second, are those who don't have faith at all.
3. and last, who are trying to build up this faith.

Type 1 & Type 3 people don't relate much to the problems that occur during this course. I agree they count much towards traffic jams & problems that commuters face, but same is true for any type of crowd in India. Atleast these people dont create panic, dont destroy public property.

Type 2 people are the ones where the problem exactly lies. Most of 'em are unemployed youth from villages. I have seen so many of boys in my village going for it just because Ganges' Ghaats are known for easily available drugs. They block traffic unnecessarily, tease women, walk almost in the middle of the roads, disrupt social harmony. All of these are bigger evils than simple traffic jams & commuters' problems.

On a personal note, even I thought about bringing a KAWAR 2 years back, but dropped the idea as it was too hot outside.:cool: But hey, it doesn't mean you will think of me being in Type 2. I do not contribute to any kind of problem except giving you goose bumps while reading this.:thappad(Aah ! it hurts).

Now one would say, how to tackle all this ? Putting a ban or crushing people to death can never be a solution. No one can stop people from preaching their faith. I hope whosoever suggested it, wasn't on a serious note. Better to make it more organized. As someone quoted, it gives bread n butter to thousands of out there, so it needs all the management principles. We may call in Army for rescue. They are known for their organized skills. Why to call 'em only when things go out of control. Let them manage it from the word 'go'. When Army men are around, even Type 2 people keep in check. Moreover, making pathways for KAWARIYAS is also mandatory. In other times, these pathways can be used by pedestrians and cyclists. Where there is too much of road congestion, pathway can be diverted to an alternate route. Setting up of medical care points after fixed intervals of distance is also mandatory including mobile patrolling medical staff.

I know road to success is always tough, but unless adequate measures are taken, things don't change. And it is the right time for the change to happen. O'wise all look well unless something happens that puts the whole nation to shame. Period.
 
Hi,:)
Now I think it's enough discussion about the merits and demerits of kawar.
Now enjoy the last days of kanwar. feel the magic on roads and every where ..with the words bbaam bambam bamlehri........sounds so peacefull and please now stop this who beleave in and who don't beleave it and think it just a wastage of money and time..:)



.......................Jai baba bhole nath.............................
 
bhaiyo aaj ta 15-20 saal pahle ek to iss vaishno devi aur ek iss kawar ne aapne gaama me koi na janya karta thha. uss pakistani Gulshan kumar ne inka issa prachar krya ke eb sare jatt inke pichhe ho liye. ussne to aapni dal roti chalani thhi sathh sathh in bahmanna ne bi khan ne mill gaya.
patta nahi kyo ye jatt bawlle ho re s , kyu inn pandya ki dal roti chalwa re s. jatt to khud me ek dewta s jo desh ki sewa karta hain aur desh ka pett bhartta hain ,
 
hitting the nail hard :P

exactly..quite right


cant figure out Jat kad tey inn pando /dhongbaazi me padd ge.
Ek bhagwan hai Om...
sandhya, prarthna hoti hai...

baaki sab dhakosla..
ye sab Punjaabiyan ka karya naas hai
This refugee pigs had nothing else to give..

bhaiyo aaj ta 15-20 saal pahle ek to iss vaishno devi aur ek iss kawar ne aapne gaama me koi na janya karta thha. uss pakistani Gulshan kumar ne inka issa prachar krya ke eb sare jatt inke pichhe ho liye. ussne to aapni dal roti chalani thhi sathh sathh in bahmanna ne bi khan ne mill gaya.
patta nahi kyo ye jatt bawlle ho re s , kyu inn pandya ki dal roti chalwa re s. jatt to khud me ek dewta s jo desh ki sewa karta hain aur desh ka pett bhartta hain ,
 
Bhai Nishant aapnee chhoti see pareshanee key liyea hee agar hum kesee dharmik kam kee burai karengey to log usey kya kahengey.

Main kam say kam 100 easay logo ko janta hun jo is kanwar seva main lagey hotey hai unmey say koi bhee unemployed nahi hai wo sabhee welsettled hai sarey hee padheylikhey hai or fir bhee 15-20din aapney kam say chhotti leker is kam mein lag jatey hai.

Tumhey jan ker achambha hoga ke eak kanwar Shivir bheroghati(From Delhi 9 km before Gangotri) main lagta hai or usakey organiser 4 Jat hai jo
is shivir per lagbhag 25lakh kharch ker rahey hai. Inkey sath 20 or log hote hai jo wanhan seva karetey hai or 20 halwai, 20 tent etc ka kam karney waley labour hotey hai, 10 Vehicle with driver and cleaner. In sabhee ko lagbhag eak mahina lagta hai. Main bhee ismey kuchh share dalta hun or is baar wahan gaya bhee tha.

Is eak shivir main 60 logo ko kam mila sochoo kitney shivir lagtey hai or kitney logo ka bhala hota hoga. or agar tumhari yea baat maan lee jay key sarey berojgaar jatey hai kanwar leney keukee wanhan free khana or sona milta hai to bhee yea to dharm ka hee kam hai jismay lakho logo ko kuchh din key liyea free khana or sona milta hai.

Bhaisaab .... aap to kasute bhagat so.... chaale pad diye!! Itni bhagti karoge to pande bhi ghabra jaange. Lagata hai pandon ne apke dimag mein chip implant kar diya hai. Chip has now become self-aware and pandas don't have control over it - even they are scared.
Kade poora ka poora bank balance kawariyon ko na de dena!! -- bhabhiji se pitai hogi.
 
Hohohoho almost saree roads block almost impossible to enter in gzb.
Sid bhai iss baar ye log(Kawariye) poore taiyaare se aye hain sabke haath me baseball bat hai so be carefull kuch bhi todne ka license hai inke pass!!
Saree rules to pehle hee tood diye hain inhone bike, scooter par 3-3 log bithe hain aur woh bhi bina helmate ke police waalo se gaale de kar baat karte hain aur cigratte hath me hote hai ye hai pooja karne wale kawariye. Agree k kuch acche bhi hain sharrdha waale but majority dusere walo ke hai NH-24 daily office time par 3-4 hour jam hai morning aur evening me.
So enjoy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
 
Us samy bhee aapney dharm ka majak udaney waley hote they nahi to gori ke kaya majal jo wo shiv mandir kee chokhat bhee paar ker pata usey lootey key liyea.

Or janhan tak dusrey desh kee baat hai to Moritius mein bhee har saal kanwar yatra badee dhoom dham say hoti hai.

Chalo sir 1 kaam karter hain aap na 5-6days ka national holiday karwa digye pher i will be happy kiyne bhi raste block kareye.
Hum logo ke aadat hai dharam ka naam lekar kaam chori ke itne saare log desh ka future kharab karne me laage hain good aap be indirectly contribute karte raho good going.
 
exactly..quite right


cant figure out Jat kad tey inn pando /dhongbaazi me padd ge.
Ek bhagwan hai Om...
sandhya, prarthna hoti hai...

baaki sab dhakosla..
ye sab Punjaabiyan ka karya naas hai
This refugee pigs had nothing else to give..


hehehe refugee pigs sahe kaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Infact,the biggest question of each one life span is to identify "right" or "wrong"...but everybody jumps on conclusion so hastly......and always finds himself right and more unfortunately, imposes his/her thoughts on others..all these is driven by his/her basic instinct....so..plz......don't mould the topic ............should focus how the more kaawrias can be crushed....:):)


Nopes i m not imposing my thoughts on anyone i was just making clear how is our developing country marching towards being a develop nation.
Enjoy u r still here oh i thought u r going to bring the biggest Kawar of the history:D nahe to re tesre aank na khul jaye rush jaldi ja waise bhi u have lot of time!!!!!!!!!!!:p
 
Bhavna ji Sorry to say...But If I Provide you food , shelter and enough money for entertainment then can you bring kanwar........


No..You can't . Ithink all you people can't walk 2-3 kilomeaters then how can you say that kanwar is the way to enjoy........:D:D


well vivek if i wanna bring kanwar then i dun need nethin frm nebody including u.....

n if i wanna show off to the world then whtever lil u'll give me i wud only b too happy to b a part of this mayhem.....
 
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