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[brahmtewatia]

Bhai ji thanks for the explanation... but my point is ... the helping verb is used for both not for one try.
i feel that the usage of both "try" as well as "tries" is correct in the signatures.
Like ... Both of you are correct.
Both Ram and Shyam are intelligent.
Please correct me on this. Others also please participate.
Also, add something related to vocabulary if u find something gud as I asked in the first post of the page.

here it is used as plural, hence the usage of ARE is justified. i guess sum1 else can give better explanation, cos rest i cant explain and as said earlier...
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my ungrezi has forgotten basic rules, it now relies on simple instinct... right or wrong... wch i can only judge when i read a sentence.

p.s.1 : think on this: wud u say it like... "here it is used as plural, hence the usage of IS are justified" ? !!! damn this ungrezi !!!
p.s.2 : what is helping verb ???

 

[dkumars]

here it is used as plural, hence the usage of ARE is justified. i guess sum1 else can give better explanation, cos rest i cant explain and as said earlier...
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p.s.1 : think on this: wud u say it like... "here it is used as plural, hence the usage of IS are justified" ? !!! damn this ungrezi !!!
p.s.2 : what is helping verb ???

I didnt get this post. Please elaborate

 

[sannand]

My take on this.

In my opinion, Pradeep & Dev are correct as 'tries' has been used as a singular verb for a 3rd person(someone; he/she/it) here.

If 'try' had to be a noun in the sentence, then it should've been preceded by a verb like 'make'. Sentence itself would've been like:

"If someone makes a try to impress you ...... ."

i feel that the usage of both "try" as well as "tries" is correct in the signatures.

1. when "try/tries" is used as a verb(?) (here singular) the sentence shud read: "if sum1 try to impress u, it means... that sum1 is already impressed by u".
2. when "try/tries" is used as a noun(?) (here plural) the sentence shud read: "if sum1 tries to impress u, it means... that sum1 is already impressed by u".

In both the cases the word "try" is used as an attemt or effort. sum1 can correct me if i'm wrong.

my perception: i guess "to impress" sum1 should be a continuous process... can i suggest :

"if sum1 is trying to impress u, it means... tht sum1 is already impressed by u" wotsay on this ?

Although, I am not so proficient in english but still i feel it shud be tries. Here, my point is "could try be a noun in such a situation"? And i think u have interchanged its usage, I feel as a verb it should be tries and as a noun it should be try. But still here it can not be a noun. Here, try is specifically filling place of a verb.

Using trying --- I feel both are correct. Same massage can be conveyed in many ways.

i feel that the usage of both "try" as well as "tries" is correct in the signatures ---------- I doubt this sentence of yours whether its grammatically correct. Such kind of is/are usage confuse me a lot. In past also Sanjeev correct me and again a similar doubt. I feel here the helping verb shud be 'are' instead of 'is'.

I am doubtful on my explanation so i request others to correct me on this in case I am wrong.

 

[pdpbeniwal]

Summing up few previous posts I'm able to draw following conclusions:
1. 'try' can be used both as a noun and a verb...but in the sentence under consideration 'try' is apparently used as a verb.....since subject is singular here.....so 'tries' is the only correct substitute...

2.

"i feel that the usage of both "try" as well as "tries" are correct in the signatures."

........... Here 'are' should be used instead of 'is'. Subject is plural here so 'are' is the only viable option.

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think on this: wud u say it like... "here it is used as plural, hence the usage of IS are justified"

...............Here IS should be put in commas and helping verb would be 'is' instead of 'are'

Further suggestions are invited.......

 

[brahmtewatia]

!!! gud going !!!

 

[pdpbeniwal]

I have one more simple idea to utilize the thread. What if we post few difficult words with its meaning daily and can start sharing its usage and related things. Idioms, proverb can also be used.
We shall just add 2-4 words a day and try to learn its usage. The ones who already knows can correct others if they are wrong. Here, I start with a few words which i find gud...

fathom (UNDERSTAND) verb [T]
1 to discover the meaning of something:
Ex: For years people have been trying to fathom (out) the mysteries of the whale's song.

2 to understand someone or why someone acts as they do:
Ex: I can't fathom her at all.

The idea of posting few difficult words daily is not bad at all.....but I think this thread would become a complete mess in doing so.....this would result into distraction from current ongoing task.....so better start a new thread for this noble cause.....

 

[dkumars]

The idea of posting few difficult words daily is not bad at all.....but I think this thread would become a complete mess in doing so.....this would result into distraction from current ongoing task.....so better start a new thread for this noble cause.....

Thanks for the suggestion. Indeed practical and gud. I shall start another thread deadicated to vocabulary and idioms.

 

[choudharyneelam]

"If someone try to impress u, it means...that 'someone' is already impressed by you"


Neelam ji......I haven't gone through the thread deeply.....i just saw your quote and i liked it very much....it's absolutely true...but i doubt on its grammatical correctness...the only thing which i think is wrong is that instead of 'try' 'tries' should have been used.....so finally it will look like.......
"If someone tries to impress u, it means...that 'someone' is already impressed by you"

Here the confusion is with singular and plural tense.

Both the way this quote is sounding good, but I also feel that the one changed by you seems more appropriate.

Let me get the final conclusion, and I'll correct the mistake accordingly

 

[dkumars]

Here the confusion is with singular and plural tense.

Both the way this quote is sounding good, but I also feel that the one changed by you seems more appropriate.

Let me get the final conclusion, and I'll correct the mistake accordingly

Neelam... I guess we have concluded that but still u want to confirm with others then please ask others to give their opinion on this.

Dear JLanders... please help us here to conclude what can be a better way of writing the sentence discussed in above posts.

 

[pdpbeniwal]

Here the confusion is with singular and plural tense.

Both the ways this quote is sounding good, but I also feel that the one changed by you seems more appropriate.

Neelam ji.......You still seem to me confused regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

For singular subject..........'s' or 'es' is used.
For plural subject/I/YOU.......simple first form of verb is used with no appending.

Further comments are invited

 

[dkumars]

Neelam ji.......You still seem to me confused regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

For singular subject..........'s' or 'es' is used.
For plural subject/I/YOU.......simple first form of verb is used with no appending.

Further comments are invited

You still seem to me confused regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense. ... I feel the sentence will convey better if it is formed like this
You still seem confused to me regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

I can not say its a mistake but felt i should point it out so that you can take care in future. All kinda suggestions(pointing my mistakes) are welcome.

 

[choudharyneelam]

Neelam ji.......You still seem to me confused regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

For singular subject..........'s' or 'es' is used.
For plural subject/I/YOU.......simple first form of verb is used with no appending.

Further comments are invited

I'm in the learning process

 

[dkumars]

I'm in the learning process

Everyone is a learner here. Some know more some know little less but all are learners. And its good to be a learner and implement the learning. Life itself is another name of learning. And there is no age for learning.

 

[brahmtewatia]

You still seem confused to me regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

or should it be:

You still seems confused to me, regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.
OR
To me you still seems to be confused, regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

pls. do correct me, if i am wrong

 

[pdpbeniwal]

Everyone is a learner here. Some know more some know little less but all are learners. And its good to be a learner and implement the learning. Life itself is another name of learning. And there is no age for learning.

Yes, It's absolutely right.....there may be small differences in our learning level.......But i think we generally know all the basic rules but mistakes are often committed just because of our carelessness.......English is not our mother tongue.....lack of exposure to English is a chief culprit resulting in very tiny-tiny mistakes.....but these tiny-tiny mistakes can have a huge impact on our personality in this today's English oriented world......So better we point out each-others mistakes here and learning by making mistakes is the best way of learning anything....One will never forget that thing.....
Thank you very much pointing out that mistake....Frankly speaking I myself was confused between both alternatives.....I randomly selected one...and result is in front of us......I would be more thankful if you throw some light on it further....

 

[pdpbeniwal]

Originally Posted by dkumars

You still seem confused to me regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

Originally Posted by brahmtewatia

or should it be:

You still seems confused to me, regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.
OR
To me you still seems to be confused, regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

pls. do correct me, if i am wrong

I think that if SOV order is considered then both are correct....but 'seems' is wrong here.....With You/I/plural subjects simple first form of verb is used....So "You still seem" is correct with both sentences...

Keep commenting

 

[brahmtewatia]

Yes, It's absolutely right.....there may be small differences in our learning level.......But i think we generally know all the basic rules but mistakes are often committed just because of our carelessness.......English is not our mother tongue.....lack of exposure to English is a chief culprit resulting in very tiny-tiny mistakes.....but these tiny-tiny mistakes can have a huge impact on our personality in this today's English oriented world......So better we point out each-others mistakes here and learning by making mistakes is the best way of learning anything....One will never forget that thing.....
Thank you very much pointing out that mistake....Frankly speaking I myself was confused between both alternatives.....I randomly selected one...and result is in front of us......I would be more thankful if you throw some light on it further....

pradeep, i tend to disagree on your above post. while i do agree that these small mistakes are often committed owing to our carelessness, but I still feel that despite of the fact that english is not our mother tongue, we indians have better writing and communicating skills than a britisher or an american. majority of people would have skipped those tiny mistakes, but since we are specifically talking english and only english on this thread, i guess we were prompt in picking it up.

now please dont pick up any mistakes on this post of mine.

 

[pdpbeniwal]

pradeep, i tend to disagree on your above post. while i do agree that these small mistakes are often committed owing to our carelessness, but I still feel that despite of the fact that english is not our mother tongue, we indians have better writing and communicating skills than a britisher or an american. majority of people would have skipped those tiny mistakes, but since we are specifically talking english and only english on this thread, i guess we were prompt in picking it up.

now please dont pick up any mistakes on this post of mine.

This time how I would be able to pick up mistakes as you have written it keeping in mind the supreme carefulness..
Yes, I think You would be probably more right pointing out the comparison between Indians and native speakers of English being an NRI ....I just intended to say quote"Experience makes a man perfect" with slightly twisted language......But since We are Indians we outperform everyone once slight hint is given to us in almost every field..

 

[dkumars]

or should it be:

You still seems confused to me, regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.
OR
To me you still seems to be confused, regarding when to append 's' or 'es' with a verb in present indefinite tense.

pls. do correct me, if i am wrong

I am almost sure that it should be seem only not seems.

 

[sannand]

Its Vs It's

Probably, it is the most committed mistake in written English.

Its --> Possessive from of 'It' .
e.g. : Wall paint has lost its shine.

It's --> It + is / It + has .
e.g. : 1. It's(It is) going to be a close encounter.
2. It's(It has) been raining since morning.

Moreover, if we look at the paragraph below, every sentence contains 'learner' or 'learning'. It sounds so repetitive that the paragraph loses its rythm and charm. We should use synonyms if same word has to used repetitiously. Words similar in meaning to 'learner' viz. scholar, assimilator, apprentice etc. and similar in meaning to 'learning' viz. acquiring, ascertaining, conning etc. prove to be very effective.

Everyone is a learner here. Some know more some know little less but all are learners. And it's good to be a learner and implement the learning. Life itself is another name of learning. And there is no age for learning.