Did varun deserve to be in the state he is in now??

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Prithviraj chauhan bhi Gita ka updesa par chala tha or Mohamd Gori ko 17 bar maff kiya par jab Gori jita to usne to updesh na mane.yehi bat ab lagu hoti hai. Yeh congressi RSS walo ko galiya nikalte hain lekin agar RSS nahi hoti to ab tak 40% hindu muslim ya cristian ban gai hote or RAM setu (Adam ridge for Congress) aaj itihas hota.
 
Mr braham thanx for the free copy :p
brahmtewatia said:
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[/FONT]Four years ago, I was flying from JFK NY Airport to SFO to attend a meeting at Monterey, CA An American girl was sitting on the right side, near window seat. It indeed was a long journey - it would take nearly seven hours.
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[/FONT]I was surprised to see the young girl reading a Bible unusual of young Americans. After some time she smiled and we had few acquaintances talk.I told her that I am from India

Then suddenly the girl asked: 'What's your faith?' 'What?' I didn't understand the question.

'I mean, what's your religion? Are you a Christian? Or a Muslim?'

'No!' I replied, 'I am neither Christian nor Muslim'.
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[/FONT]Apparently she appeared shocked to listen to that. 'Then who are you?' 'I am a Hindu', I said.

She looked at me as if she was seeing a caged animal. She could not understand what I was talking about.

A common man in Europe or US knows about Christianity and Islam, as they are the leading religions of the world today. But a Hindu, what?

I explained to her - I am born to a Hindu father and Hindu mother. Therefore, I am a Hindu by birth.

'Who is your prophet?' she asked.

'We don't have a prophet,' I replied.

'What's your Holy Book?'

'We don't have a single Holy Book, but we have hundreds and thousands of philosophical and sacred scriptures,' I replied.

'Oh, come on at least tell me who is your God?'

'What do you mean by that?'

'Like we have Jesus and Muslims have Allah - don't you have a God?'

I thought for a moment. Muslims and Christians believe one God (Male God) who created the world and takes an interest in the humans who inhabit it. Her mind is conditioned with that kind of belief.

According to her (or anybody who doesn't know about Hinduism), a religion needs to have one Prophet, one Holy book and one God. The mind is so conditioned and rigidly narrowed down to such a notion that anything else is not acceptable. I understood her perception and concept about faith. You can't compare Hinduism with any of the present leading religions where you have to believe in one concept of god.

I tried to explain to her: 'You can believe in one god and he can be a Hindu. You may believe in multiple deities and still you can be a Hindu. What's more - you may not believe in god at all, still you can be a Hindu. An atheist can also be a Hindu.'
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This sounded very crazy to her. She couldn't imagine a religion so unorganized, still surviving for thousands of years, even after onslaught from foreign forces.

'I don't understand but it seems very interesting. Are you religious?'
What can I tell to this American girl?

I said: 'I do not go to temple regularly. I do not make any regular rituals. I have learned some of the rituals in my younger days. I still enjoy doing it sometimes.'

'Enjoy? Are you not afraid of God?'

'God is a friend. No - I am not afraid of God. Nobody has made any compulsions on me to perform these rituals regularly.'

She thought for a while and then asked: 'Have you ever thought of converting to any other religion?'

'Why should I? Even if I challenge some of the rituals and faith in Hinduism, nobody can convert me from Hinduism. Because, being a Hindu allows me to think independently and objectively, without conditioning. I remain as a Hindu never by force, but choice.' I told her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices. It is not a religionlike Christianity or Islam because it is not founded by any one person or does not have an organized controlling body like the Church or the Order, I added. There is no institution or authority.

'So, you don't believe in God?' she wanted everything in black and white.

'I didn't say that. I do not discard the divine reality. Our scripture, or Sruthis or Smrithis - Vedas and Upanishads or the Gita - say God might be there or he might not be there. But we pray to that supreme abstract authority (Para Brahma) that is the creator of this universe.'

'Why can't you believe in one personal God?'

'We have a concept - abstract - not a personal god. The concept or notion of a personal God, hiding behind the clouds of secrecy, telling us irrational stories through few men whom he sends as messengers, demanding us to worship him or punish us, does not make sense. I don't think that God is as silly as an autocratic emperor who wants others to respect him or fear him.' I told her that such notions are just fancies of less educated human imagination and fallacies, adding that generally ethnic religious practitioners in Hinduism believe in personal gods. The entry level Hinduism has over-whelming superstitions too. The philosophical side of Hinduism negates all superstitions.
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'Good that you agree God might exist. You told that you pray. What is your prayer then?'

'Loka Samastha Sukino Bhavantu. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti,'

'Funny,' she laughed, 'What does it mean?'

'May all the beings in all the worlds be happy. Om Peace, Peace, Peace.'

'Hmm ..very interesting. I want to learn more about this religion. It is so democratic, broad-minded and free' she exclaimed.

'The fact is Hinduism is a religion of the individual, for the individual and by the individual with its roots in the Vedas and the Bhagavad-Gita. It is all about an individual approaching a personal God in an individual way according to his temperament and inner evolution - it is as simple as that.'

'How does anybody convert to Hinduism?'

'Nobody can convert you to Hinduism, because it is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices. Everything is acceptable in Hinduism because there is no single authority or organization either to accept it or to reject it or to oppose it on behalf of Hinduism.'

I told her - if you look for meaning in life, don't look for it in religions; don't go from one cult to another or from one guru to the next.

For a real seeker, I told her, the Bible itself gives guidelines when it says ' Kingdom of God is within you.' I reminded her of Christ's teaching about the love that we have for each other. That is where you can find the meaning of life.

Loving each and every creation of the God is absolute and real. 'Isavasyam idam sarvam' Isam (the God) is present (inhabits) here everywhere - nothing exists separate from the God, because God is present everywhere. Respect every living being and non-living things as God. That's what Hinduism teaches you.

Hinduism is referred to as Sanathana Dharma, the eternal faith. It is based on the practice of Dharma, the code of life. The most important aspect of Hinduism is being truthful to oneself. Hinduism has no monopoly on ideas.- It is open to all. Hindus believe in one God (not a personal one) expressed in different forms. For them, God is timeless and formless entity.

Ancestors of today's Hindus believe in eternal truths and cosmic laws and these truths are opened to anyone who seeks them. But there is a section of Hindus who are either superstitious or turned fanatic to make this an organized religion like others. The British coin the word 'Hindu' and considered it as a religion.

I said: 'Religions have become an MLM (multi-level- marketing) industry that has been trying to expand the market share by conversion. The biggest business in today's world is Spirituality. Hinduism is no exception'

I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' - Non violence is the highest duty. I am a Hindu because it doesn't conditions my mind with any faith system.
A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does not value his/her morals, culture and values in life. Hinduism was the first religion originated. Be proud of your religion and be proud of who you are.
Om Namo shiva……………
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Give me a break from this cheap religious gyaan n theory, let Varun go to hell n all of his followers. Instead of thinking something constructive for our country's prosperity you ppl r spreading communal hatred, that's rubbish! :mad:

Kya Hindu Muslim Sikh Ishai laga rakha hai, why don't u ppl understand all these are political gimmicks, these bloody politicians n fundamentalists can go down to any extent to fullfill their interests.

Religions were devloped for betterment of ppl, so they can lead a disciplined life and not a single religion tells to spread hatred, mind you. But these bloody fundamentalists interpret it to ppl in a negative way and these dump ppl don't just use their minds !

Not all the terrorists are Muslims mind you but most of them are, cuz as far I observed Muslims r hardcore radical when it comes to their religion so they are far more vulnerable to carried away in the name of Allah n they also spread terrorism as Jehaad (religious war) while other groups are kind of rebels .. Terrorism is like cancer for Muslim community and sooner or later it gonna ruin them totally if they don't introspect n do something to get rid of it.

Anyways, when it comes to India ... we're far more secular and here Muslims n Hindus n other religious ppl stay together with peace but these bloody politicians n fundamentalists n ppl like u don't miss a chance to spoil this harmony. Btw have u ever thought how much Muslims contributed to our India ... for an example our former president APJ Kalam, the most respectable person for me in India, is a Muslim! Can u deny his contributions ... like him there are many in every other field be it govt, research, sports, bollywood, service sector n alll ... but still they are seen with doubt n treated as sec grade citizens. Hatred is filled to the core in ppl's heart ! that's really disappointing !! ...:o

Comeon, guys be progressive don't live upto these false religions be it Hindu, Muslims n all ... be spiritual not ritual n believe in only one supreme religion n that is HUMANITY ! :)

Get some wisdom guys, to be hell with Hinduism, Islam, Christianity n rest of them !:mad:


Rock on
Jit

 
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this whole episode has made Mayawati a Heroin. BJP aur Varun ke palle kuchh nahi padega,,,,,,,

Mayawati has taken the maximum benifit from this pre-poll harvest by putting NSA:rock
 
Bilkul sahi kaha Sachin bhai aap ne. Shayad kisi ne yeh socha bhi nahi hoga ki Maya iska faayda uthha legi...

Yes Now Muslim votes will go to Maya instead of going to Samajwadi party or congress.... so seedha seedha nuksaan UPA ka hai bhai... BJP ko toh waise bhi yeh votes nahi aati.... Lekin haan Hindu votes BJP ki pakki ho gayi hain uss area mein... so Kora nuksaan Congress aur Mulayam ko hua hai.....

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sachinb said:
this whole episode has made Mayawati a Heroin. BJP aur Varun ke palle kuchh nahi padega,,,,,,,

Mayawati has taken the maximum benifit from this pre-poll harvest by putting NSA:rock
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anilsangwan said:
Bilkul sahi kaha Sachin bhai aap ne. Shayad kisi ne yeh socha bhi nahi hoga ki Maya iska faayda uthha legi...

Yes Now Muslim votes will go to Maya instead of going to Samajwadi party or congress.... so seedha seedha nuksaan UPA ka hai bhai... BJP ko toh waise bhi yeh votes nahi aati.... Lekin haan Hindu votes BJP ki pakki ho gayi hain uss area mein... so Kora nuksaan Congress aur Mulayam ko hua hai.....

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Bhai shaab uss Area me Varun Ghandi paaka jeet jayga aab its all bloody politics.
 
cooljat said:
Give me a break from this cheap religious gyaan n theory, let Varun go to hell n all of his followers. Instead of thinking something constructive for our country's prosperity you ppl r spreading communal hatred, that's rubbish! :mad:

Kya Hindu Muslim Sikh Ishai laga rakha hai, why don't u ppl understand all these are political gimmicks, these bloody politicians n fundamentalists can go down to any extent to fullfill their interests.

Religions were devloped for betterment of ppl, so they can lead a disciplined life and not a single religion tells to spread hatred, mind you. But these bloody fundamentalists interpret it to ppl in a negative way and these dump ppl don't just use their minds !

Not all the terrorists are Muslims mind you but most of them are, cuz as far I observed Muslims r hardcore radical when it comes to their religion so they are far more vulnerable to carried away in the name of Allah n they also spread terrorism as Jehaad (religious war) while other groups are kind of rebels .. Terrorism is like cancer for Muslim community and sooner or later it gonna ruin them totally if they don't introspect n do something to get rid of it.

Anyways, when it comes to India ... we're far more secular and here Muslims n Hindus n other religious ppl stay together with peace but these bloody politicians n fundamentalists n ppl like u don't miss a chance to spoil this harmony. Btw have u ever thought how much Muslims contributed to our India ... for an example our former president APJ Kalam, the most respectable person for me in India, is a Muslim! Can u deny his contributions ... like him there are many in every other field be it govt, research, sports, bollywood, service sector n alll ... but still they are seen with doubt n treated as sec grade citizens. Hatred is filled to the core in ppl's heart ! that's really disappointing !! ...:o

Comeon, guys be progressive don't live upto these false religions be it Hindu, Muslims n all ... be spiritual not ritual n believe in only one supreme religion n that is HUMANITY ! :)

Get some wisdom guys, to be hell with Hinduism, Islam, Christianity n rest of them !:mad:


Rock on
Jit
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well said .........takkar ji..........
smthing constructive will uplift the nation...discussing all this political gimmick is a waste of time...if ppl will stop taking interest in them ..politcians will not be able to make use of such situation
 
Gentleman,

Mind your language,,,,,,how you can write like this,,,,,how you can say "be hell with Hinduism and so on",,,who are you to comment on religion,,,,,,whats wrong with religion,,,,,there is nothing wrong with any religion,,,,,its people like you by making such comments make it so.

Religion never teaches hatred,,,,,why it is happening because some people want to get benifit by exploiting religious sentiments.

cooljat said:
Get some wisdom guys, to be hell with Hinduism, Islam, Christianity n rest of them !:mad:


Rock on
Jit
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National Security Act (NSA) for Varun - Mockery of provisions of Law

Varun Gandhi in fact made some inflamatory speeches at an election rally with an eye on the upcoming elections. If you go through the speech carefully what he said was that he would protect the Hindu religion in case somebody castes a finger on it. Being a Hindu, even I explicitly or implicitly undertake to safeguard the very existence of my religion and its continuity in the face of the threats from the fanatical elements of other religions (in particular, one such religion which is at odds with all other religions of the world and which professes the establishment of a worldwide caliphate). So what Varun Gandhi said is not much different from what I and you believe in, except for the fact that the way he put it was different. If having faith in your religion and promising to protect/safeguard it is a crime, then yes a crime has been committed by Varun Gandhi and also by us (Hindus). But on the other end of the spectrum there are countless minority leaders and the hindu members of the pseudo secular and pseudo intellectual brigade who leave no opportunity unavailed in belittling the Hindu religion and its very foundation. It's ridiculous to know that NSA (National Security Act) has been thrust upon a novice like Varun Gandhi whereas there are bigger fish in the pond like Sadhu Yadav, Abu Azmi, the imam of Delhi, Syed Ahmed Bhukhari getting away with highly infectious anti-India and anti-Hindu speeches.

Is promising reservation on the basis of religion to MUSLIMS in education/jobs not communalism?? Why are we not forthright in our criticism to this form of subtle yet extremely harmful communalism?? Are we again not moving to the same situation which arose during the partition days? The only difference is that this time the Muslim community is spread out finely throughout the country with dense islands in between. The entire demography in the eastern and north-eastern part of the country has changed. With the onslaught of the Bangladeshi muslims, the assamese and the inhabitants of Malda have been turned into minorties in their own land. There is propping up of madarsas all across this tract of land teaching fanaticism to children of tender age. There have been widescale purchases of land by the anti-national elements along the Rajasthan Border with Pakistan

Is it actually a crime to be a Hindu and talk of the interest of one's religion. The Congress and the other pseudo-secular parties are playing with fire which would soon engulf the entire country if not stopped by us all right now. Let us come out of the 'I don't care' or 'It does not bother me' syndrome because ultimately it will affect you and your future generations very badly as the quicksand would have slipped out of your hands by then....
 
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For some people definition of seculirism is anti-hindu,anti-Bjp, anti- Rss, appesement of minorities.
Soon this definition will be in our school sylabbus.
 
I fully agree with Sachin bhai. We should hate only the person who spreads haterd and not with the religion.

Hindu dharam ki kis kitaab mein likha hai ki Musalmaan galat hain. Kuraan yar fir Bible mein bhi kahan kuch galat likha hai.... So kisi dharam ko hell kehna saraasar galat hai...aur hum iska virodh karte hain !!!!!!!

We is very sensitive towards my religion and dont want anyone to say "to hell" for it.


sachinb said:
Gentleman,

Mind your language,,,,,,how you can write like this,,,,,how you can say "be hell with Hinduism and so on",,,who are you to comment on religion,,,,,,whats wrong with religion,,,,,there is nothing wrong with any religion,,,,,its people like you by making such comments make it so.

Religion never teaches hatred,,,,,why it is happening because some people want to get benifit by exploiting religious sentiments.
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anilsangwan said:
I fully agree with Sachin bhai. We should hate only the person who spreads haterd and not with the religion.

i.... So kisi dharam ko hell kehna saraasar galat hai...aur hum iska virodh karte hain !!!!!!!

We is very sensitive towards my religion and dont want anyone to say "to hell" for it.
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so am i ...............
 
Thanks Sangwan Bhai for supporting me in this Noble cause,,,,,we are real secularist and thats why we will not tolerate anything said against any religion.

Yahaa JL par Ch**** ko Ch**** kahne par to Jaati-suchak shabd ke ghere mein le liya jaata hai lekin agar koyi Hindu Dharm ke saath baaki sabhi Dharmo ko To Hell with kah kar bolta hai to uskaa koyi virodh nahi,,,,,

Iska kathor Virodh hona chaahiye,,,,,,aur us Bhai ko apne shabd vapis lene chaahiye

anilsangwan said:
I fully agree with Sachin bhai. We should hate only the person who spreads haterd and not with the religion.

Hindu dharam ki kis kitaab mein likha hai ki Musalmaan galat hain. Kuraan yar fir Bible mein bhi kahan kuch galat likha hai.... So kisi dharam ko hell kehna saraasar galat hai...aur hum iska virodh karte hain !!!!!!!

We is very sensitive towards my religion and dont want anyone to say "to hell" for it.
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Do these self proclaimed and self declared as above of all the religions SECULAR people believe in Hell and Heaven :rolleyes:
 
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Bhai shabdo ke Phere mat do,,,,,,,,in shabdo ka kyaa matlab hota hai vo sabko pata hai,,,,,,Kisi Dharm ko aise kahne waale ko pahle sochna chaahiye ki, what they r writing,,,,,

is Bhai ne kaise kah diya ki to hell with it Hindu, Muslim, Christian and other religions as well

vijay said:
Do SECULAR people believe in Hell and Heaven :rolleyes:
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vijay said:
I am damn sure that you still didn't got my point.
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Bhai Vijay... aap ka point aur Sachin bhai ka point alag alag hain..... fir unko aap uljhaao mat !!! Plsssss!


Hum yeh keh rahe hain ki koi bhi member aa kar yahaan Hindu dharam ya kisi aur dharam ko "Hell" nahi bol sakta... Yeh sabb hamaari bhaavnaon ko chott pahunchaata hai !! Hum sabb dharam nirpeksh logg hain... kisi bhi dharamm ka apmaan nahi sehan karengey !!!!
 
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