Haryana Assembly Elections 09: Khabar, Zayza, Mahol, Halaat!!

[sabina]

That is what I have heard from many sources, mostly from this forum and also from media. That kiran opposes everyone in the bansi lal family.

If the media, people and everyone related to bhiwani says the same thing, I am guessing there is some truth in that.

Though I can be wrong.

Ramesh

Mr. Ramesh i've heard the same n i believe tht if kiran opposes the entire bansilal family, its not possible tht all r bad, but its possible she's bad so she doesn get along with any.....1st question is: y din she never get along with her husband?
i think something seriously wrong with kiran....she never lived in haryana when her husband n father in law were alive.....came here only to take advantage of the situation....

 

[rameshw]

Sabina:

I am not aware of all that. I do know some things from the media now and then.

That is interesting information, however it underscores my point even more.

Why do people not hate her and her daughter instead of loving them?
I do not think it is the widow factor alone. What other factors do you think are responsible.

I have read some news about mahendra now and then, never read anything about Somvir. From what I have heard, he is an introvert person and does not speak much. That ofcourse does not mean anything bad or good, just speaking very less or lying low would endanger his prospects in the political arena as that is a big asset in this profession

Ramesh

Sir u r right on wht u heard tht kiran threw mud on the family...but wht i wanna say is that she misleads ppl by doing her drama tht she is a widow, etc.....n when i say tht ppl know wht they r upto is to say wht all they do in delhi (which is not appropriate to write at the forum). the things abt tytler n ahmed patel r well known....i'm sure i don need to go in detail....but somehow the ppl appear to njoy there drama too....
n abt the family refuting kiran's allegations....mr.somvir has time n again refused claims n had also stated in his interview, plus shown papers which refuted the wrong allegations....he's an advocate from punjab university, unlike shruti from agra univ ....he knows wht he showed on tv.....also the papers spoke all wht he said ...i suppose u missed all tht....
u should not forget tht kiran n shruti had filed a complaint in patiala house in delhi against somvir n his family and to top it against her own mother in law (Smt Vidya) after bansilal ji's death that they all were a threat to their life.....imagine the extent of drama....complaining abt an 80 yr old lady who had just lost her husband....God's watching everyone....n then shruti says in her speeches that her dadi ji was captured by mahendra n somvir....lol
anyways....i'm sure there dramas r short lived since this time they were not heard while distributing tickets n don hv a strong group any more....

 

[rameshw]

i think something seriously wrong with kiran....she never lived in haryana when her husband n father in law were alive.....came here only to take advantage of the situation....

I think that there is NOTHING wrong in that! (not ethically speaking, but speaking logically)

she smelled an opportunity and came running after it. Makes the most perfect sense to me...

I would say that there is something very wrong with the other family members who are sitting there and claiming to be 'good'

God helps those who help themselves. Nothing will happen on its own. If mahendra had been bold enough to take the responsibility to further his father's legacy, then Kiran would have been out of the game since years now.

Their silence is her power. She will use each and every card in her deck to gain power/ money and even though that is morally/ ethically wrong, it is not legally wrong. She is eroding away the value added brand name of her father in law and leveraging it for her and her daughter's interest. So unless Mahendra and Somvir et al can stop her, all they are in reality are cowardly losers crying foul! (Do not mean to be harsh here, but that is what logically follows from the arguments that you have put up)

 

[sumitdahiya123]

Uklana mein congress ki victory sure nahi hai.

Congress is going to loose following seats in hisar:
Adampur
Nalwa
Hansi
Narnaud
Barwala
This time Bhajan & Chautala factor will work in hisar distt. This is beacuse of the wrong planning of Mr.Hooda in ticket distribution and completely by passing the JINDAL HOUSE factor.

Thanks,

 

[sumitdahiya123]

What r the equations in bhiwani dist. Who r likely to be win

 

[ratheetheraist]

kalka sey kangress key satwinder rana jo raajond sey aya hai..uski jmanat japt hogi bhai pakki or pardeep chaudhary ki seat pakki hai..Or panchkula sey YOGRAJ SINGH ney sabkey hwa fail kar di hai..YUVRAJ ney bhi apni ungli tudwa li hai or champion trophy sey wapas seedha pkl aaega apney Pitajee ki campaining mei..uskey aatey hi jeet INLD ki pakki ho jaegi..congress ka candidate d.k.bansal ambala ka hai..nobody supporting himfrm pkl kongressmen..!!poor congress..Hooda saab ki galtfehmi jaldi door hogi..!!

 

[samarkadian]

kalka sey kangress key satwinder rana jo raajond sey aya hai..uski jmanat japt hogi bhai pakki or pardeep chaudhary ki seat pakki hai..Or panchkula sey YOGRAJ SINGH ney sabkey hwa fail kar di hai..YUVRAJ ney bhi apni ungli tudwa li hai or champion trophy sey wapas seedha pkl aaega apney Pitajee ki campaining mei..uskey aatey hi jeet INLD ki pakki ho jaegi..congress ka candidate d.k.bansal ambala ka hai..nobody supporting himfrm pkl kongressmen..!!poor congress..Hooda saab ki galtfehmi jaldi door hogi..!!

Vikas, whats your's or party's projection overall? An honest one.

 

[ratheetheraist]

Vikas, whats your's or party's projection overall? An honest one.

35-40 aaengi bhai..!! jma choti bargi..5-7 nirdaliya mil jaangey..sarkaar banaengey bhai chautala saab..!!
or baaki tey bakht batawega..!!

 

[sumitdahiya123]

Ji aap bhi bata do apne aaspas ka mahol.even u r starter of this great thread.

Vikas, whats your's or party's projection overall? An honest one.

 

[narwaldeepak]

kalka sey kangress key satwinder rana jo raajond sey aya hai..uski jmanat japt hogi bhai pakki or pardeep chaudhary ki seat pakki hai..Or panchkula sey YOGRAJ SINGH ney sabkey hwa fail kar di hai..YUVRAJ ney bhi apni ungli tudwa li hai or champion trophy sey wapas seedha pkl aaega apney Pitajee ki campaining mei..uskey aatey hi jeet INLD ki pakki ho jaegi..congress ka candidate d.k.bansal ambala ka hai..nobody supporting himfrm pkl kongressmen..!!poor congress..Hooda saab ki galtfehmi jaldi door hogi..!!

hmm ... 1 halke ka idea main de du .. Krishan hooda baroda te harega ..
Choutala ka garh manya jawe hai baroda... par last 5 saal me kaafi jat congress se jud gye the.. but krishan hooda ko ticket dene se naraj hoke wapas base location pe aa gye ( krishan hooda halke se bahar hai ka hai .. ar halke me kai worker ticket ki ummeed me the ). INLD ki baroda seat fer pakki

 

[rameshw]

My Projection for INLD:

Betwen 5 and 12(max)

I am surprised that 21 people think that INLD will win majority. It looks like 21 WANT that INLD should gain majority so they voted there, even though 90% or more know that INLD can not get majority this time under any circumstance!

Ramesh

 

[sumitdahiya123]

Malik ji 12 se jyada to aa hi jayegi majority aaye ya na ye.ab as u know about 50 seats mein multi corner hai.inld ka vote bank fixed hai.main yahan ye point clear kar deta hoon 16% vote bank to isliye tha because ye 5 seats par lade the.baki 5 par jab bjp wale lade the. jo bjp ko vote mila wo kafi extent tak inld ka tha.eg jin 7 seats par bjp ne dominate kiya tha wo almost rural site thi wahan inld ka vote bjp ko transfer hua.
Ab aapko kya lagta hai ispar please reply

My Projection for INLD:

Betwen 5 and 12(max)

I am surprised that 21 people think that INLD will win majority. It looks like 21 WANT that INLD should gain majority so they voted there, even though 90% or more know that INLD can not get majority this time under any circumstance!

Ramesh

 

[sumitdahiya123]

Now congress has several weak points
1.dera sacha soda ki khilafat
2.congress ki gutbazi
3.unproper seat allotment. Means local condidates ko tickets nahi di gayi hai.
4.ye sach hai anti incumbency utni jyada nahi hai.par kuch to jaroor hai.

 

[rameshw]

Sumit:

15.6% INLD ke vote the. 12% BJP ke.

If BJP was voted from the vote bank at some places, it was vice versa also at some other places.

Chalo kuch hat tak maan liya. Lets say BJP ke 12% mein se 5 ya 6% humm INLD ko add kar dete hain.

To make it even more Pro INLD assumption, we do not delete anything from INLD (which is not true as some BJP votes were also cross voted)

Anyways 15.6+6 = 21% vote.

Now consider the following factors:-

1) At some isolated places INLD might be very strong, yahaan par they might get 80% to even 90% of the vote. So a lot of that total 21% will be among these places also. But once you win a seat, you win a seat. whether you get 60% or 90% of vote, you only win 1 seat and not 1.5

2) When you say that INLD vote bank is very much fixed, the point 1 above is consolidated even more by that fact

3) After Lok sabha, the results would sway the borderline INLD voters to Congress

4) With sampat singh having left along with some other senior leaders, INLD has received a death blow. This is twice as hard, one loosing a solid vote bank of Sampat singh and 2- adding all that to Congress directly

5) With BJP also quitting INLD's side, more borderline voters will leave INLD as they dont want to be in a sinking ship.

6) INLD has done virtually nothing to improve on things leaders like Sampat singh mentioned. Hence their weakness from lok sabha elections not only stand, but have been intensified now and come to limelight with their refusal to take any remedial measures....this shows to public that they are not willing to change at any cost.

Prof sampat singh's departure was the final nail in the coffin of INLD. No person having spent all his life in INLD faithfully will leave it in the wee end of his career....it shows how shameless chautala and his sons are. They stop at nothing at all.

Ramesh

Malik ji 12 se jyada to aa hi jayegi majority aaye ya na ye.ab as u know about 50 seats mein multi corner hai.inld ka vote bank fixed hai.main yahan ye point clear kar deta hoon 16% vote bank to isliye tha because ye 5 seats par lade the.baki 5 par jab bjp wale lade the. jo bjp ko vote mila wo kafi extent tak inld ka tha.eg jin 7 seats par bjp ne dominate kiya tha wo almost rural site thi wahan inld ka vote bjp ko transfer hua.
Ab aapko kya lagta hai ispar please reply

 

[yatinder19]

Sumit:

15.6% INLD ke vote the. 12% BJP ke.

Ramesh

Very True:rock...What a analysis sir...

 

[sumitdahiya123]

Malik sahab asi baat nahi. Sir aap ye dekhiye na inld nahi to sirf congress hi aaye har baar koi?ji ek baat aur hai inld to hai hi neta produce karne ki factor aap iska example assembly elections ki tickets delaration mein le sakte hain. Kai simple workers ko ticket di gaye hai.jo kal ke neta banenge.sir i ageree with u r some points but sir inld is not sinking ship its only choice of congress ya ab ya phir later.

Aapne sampat ji ka naam liya. As i m from hissar sampat ji ka jitna toh phir bhi difficult hai.the r in close fight with jasma devi (mother of kuldeep) and ranbir gangwa not weak condidate.

Sumit:

15.6% INLD ke vote the. 12% BJP ke.

If BJP was voted from the vote bank at some places, it was vice versa also at some other places.

Chalo kuch hat tak maan liya. Lets say BJP ke 12% mein se 5 ya 6% humm INLD ko add kar dete hain.

To make it even more Pro INLD assumption, we do not delete anything from INLD (which is not true as some BJP votes were also cross voted)

Anyways 15.6+6 = 21% vote.

Now consider the following factors:-

1) At some isolated places INLD might be very strong, yahaan par they might get 80% to even 90% of the vote. So a lot of that total 21% will be among these places also. But once you win a seat, you win a seat. whether you get 60% or 90% of vote, you only win 1 seat and not 1.5

2) When you say that INLD vote bank is very much fixed, the point 1 above is consolidated even more by that fact

3) After Lok sabha, the results would sway the borderline INLD voters to Congress

4) With sampat singh having left along with some other senior leaders, INLD has received a death blow. This is twice as hard, one loosing a solid vote bank of Sampat singh and 2- adding all that to Congress directly

5) With BJP also quitting INLD's side, more borderline voters will leave INLD as they dont want to be in a sinking ship.

6) INLD has done virtually nothing to improve on things leaders like Sampat singh mentioned. Hence their weakness from lok sabha elections not only stand, but have been intensified now and come to limelight with their refusal to take any remedial measures....this shows to public that they are not willing to change at any cost.

Prof sampat singh's departure was the final nail in the coffin of INLD. No person having spent all his life in INLD faithfully will leave it in the wee end of his career....it shows how shameless chautala and his sons are. They stop at nothing at all.

Ramesh

 

[ravidhaka]

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Aapne sampat ji ka naam liya. As i m from hissar sampat ji ka jitna toh phir bhi difficult hai.the r in close fight with jasma devi (mother of kuldeep) and ranbir gangwa not weak condidate.[/QUOTE]

Fathebad halke ke niwase ko Nalwa se ticket de kr hooda ne sara congress vote bank Jasma Devi/Bhajan Lal ke trf shift kr deya. Upper se Jindal House ko bhi naraj kr deya hooda shaab ne (jinke vjh se hooda CM bna tha) nalwa ke ticket ko le kr.

 

[sumitdahiya123]

Abhi prediction karna ki sampat ji harenge sahi nahi hoga. Although i m not supporter of hjc.lekin ji yahan bhajan lal ka kad bahut bada hai. sampat stand nahi karte unke saame.wo isliye ki bhajan lal ne iss particular area mein logo ki jobs bahut lagwa rakhi hai.har election mein unko iska gain hota hai.although 1996 ke baad they have not done single work in favour of people.
Ab ranbir gangwa ki baat karte hai.popularity ke according se sampat and bhajan lal family se thoda piche hai .yet he is not weak condidate.because 14000 kumhar votes hai.jabki gangwa kumhar hai unka kumharo pe acha hold hai.gangwa gaon ke vote ek tarpha girne jare hai.inld ke vote bank ka saath hoga.

Dekhiye ek kahawat 2 cats ki ladai mein ek bandar roti le jata hai.

 

[sumitdahiya123]

parties ke seats jo sure win lagti hai
congress
1.rohak sonipat aur jajjar ki 50% to 80% seats
2.hissar
3.tosam
4.kaithal
not rewari and uchana this time.
Inld
1.thanesar
2.ateli
3.sadora
4.ellenabad
5.dabwali
6.kalanwali
7.barwala
hjc
1. Adampur
bjp and bsp do not have single seats to which they can say that the will surly win.even kp gujjar,capt. Abhimanyu and r b sharma r in though fight .bsp is creating trouble to phool chand mullana.
Ye sirf muje kai logo se conversation ke baad lagta hai.mera koi dava nahi hai aap logo ke review se mein apni soch renew karoonga

 

[sabina]

Sabina:


I do not think it is the widow factor alone. What other factors do you think are responsible.

I have read some news about mahendra now and then, never read anything about Somvir. From what I have heard, he is an introvert person and does not speak much. That ofcourse does not mean anything bad or good, just speaking very less or lying low would endanger his prospects in the political arena as that is a big asset in this profession

Ramesh

sir it has always remained n will remain the widow factor....agar koi widow bahoo apne in-laws ko khar mein daant dikhye aur darvaaze par aa kar roye ki usko pareshaan kar rahe hain, loog bahoo ki baat saach maneege kyon ki voh ek vidhvaa hai.....it is a fact.....lets be real...i ONLY see a widow factor n will never be convinced for sure...
tell me 1 fruitfull thing that kiran has done for the state in the last 5 years that ppl hv a reason to be behind her? wht does shruti have to her credit individually, apart from being surender's daughter n to top it tht he is no more? has she done anything in life? has she ever made any charity contributions???
moreover not speaking isn't something tht is very necessary....its better than speaking bad abt others or bad with others.....
anyways I've heard tht mahendra's son n somvir's son r out in their respective constituencies n r doing very well........n shruti has been making calls to ppl threatening not to vote for the 2 else she n her mother will not do their work....i think its time she should stop this coz both r winning candidates in their constituencies.....