narwaldeepak
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kitne jatlanders aise hain jo apne bachon ko haryanwi bolne se mana karte hian... means kitne aise jatlander hain to haryanwi ko pichdepan ki nishani mante hian?
Haryanwi Boli
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kitne jatlanders aise hain jo apne bachon ko haryanwi bolne se mana karte hian... means kitne aise jatlander hain to haryanwi ko pichdepan ki nishani mante hian?
bhai main to proud feel karya karoon haryanvi bolti haan....arr kaati nahi maanta koi bhi pichdapannn....baaki jo pichdapan maane hain unke khatar ghani sharam ki baat sai...
sunitahooda
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Almost sarey....manne kise ke baalak Haryanwi na boltey dekhey(jinke dekhey hain)
EK relative the woh apni maa tailaddya kartey kyunki uss pai HINDI na boli jaya kare thi.....Jind kenni ki thi wey. Par ek baat unn bhaisahab nai badhiya kari jab baalak hindi achhi tarah seekh gey the to THETH haryanwi seekhayi baalkan tayi....Nyu bolle akk Jai apni na bolle tai ke bolle
EK relative the woh apni maa tailaddya kartey kyunki uss pai HINDI na boli jaya kare thi.....Jind kenni ki thi wey. Par ek baat unn bhaisahab nai badhiya kari jab baalak hindi achhi tarah seekh gey the to THETH haryanwi seekhayi baalkan tayi....Nyu bolle akk Jai apni na bolle tai ke bolle
kitne jatlanders aise hain jo apne bachon ko haryanwi bolne se mana karte hian... means kitne aise jatlander hain to haryanwi ko pichdepan ki nishani mante hian?
Almost sarey....manne kise ke baalak Haryanwi na boltey dekhey(jinke dekhey hain)
EK relative the woh apni maa tailaddya kartey kyunki uss pai HINDI na boli jaya kare thi.....Jind kenni ki thi wey. Par ek baat unn bhaisahab nai badhiya kari jab baalak hindi achhi tarah seekh gey the to THETH haryanwi seekhayi baalkan tayi....Nyu bolle akk Jai apni na bolle tai ke bolle
Hindi jaroori hai...official language hai... but reality mai official language to ENGLISH sai....South mai logg kaate hain Hindi bolti haan...baaki aapke bhai saab nai thik karya kaam....THETH haryanvi sikha kai....badiya vichar sain unke...
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narwaldeepak
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bahut badhiya baat hai ya to ... proud feel to karna e chaiye ... ke sabpe boli jawe hai mhari boli .... gaat me jyaan chaiye...
bhai manne yo post kuch soch ke daala hai ... main aajkal east malaysia me hu... aade 200 ke kareeb sikh pariwar hain Miri city me , un ne 1 bada shandar gurudwara bana rakha hai ... shyam ko usme punjabi ki class hoti hain ar sare sikh kosis karte hain ki unke bache attend karen.... u can see a big croud coming daily.
mera mitr hain 1 sardarjee , unse poocha to unka tarak bada sahi tha.... bole ke har bande ki identity uski "maa boli " se hoti hai .... hum sikh hian .... agar kal ko bachon ko punjabi na aayi to kom/majhab se door ho jange , apna itihaas bhul jange , ar jisne apna itihas nahi bera wo kime aadmi nahi ..uski koi identity nahi .
to mhari bhi maa boli hai yaa.... aaj kal ise uut maa baap ho rahe hain , balak haryanwi bole to kan pe thappad maren hain ... poori kosis karen hian ke balak kati desi na bane
... apne apne balka ne to bolan diyo kamm se kammvinaysirohi
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ye sahi baat hai ki kai log haryanvi language ko peechdi language mein count karte hai. par har state ki ek apni language hai jis se uss state ki pehchan hoti hai.th mein th yahi kahunga ki language mein kuch nahi rakha.insaan ko kaam aise karne chahiye ki har koi usse kaam se pehchane na ki naam se:rock
ye sahi baat hai ki kai log haryanvi language ko peechdi language mein count karte hai. par har state ki ek apni language hai jis se uss state ki pehchan hoti hai.th mein th yahi kahunga ki language mein kuch nahi rakha.insaan ko kaam aise karne chahiye ki har koi usse kaam se pehchane na ki naam se:rock
bazardparveen
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bahut badhiya baat hai ya to ... proud feel to karna e chaiye ... ke sabpe boli jawe hai mhari boli .... gaat me jyaan chaiye...
bhai manne yo post kuch soch ke daala hai ... main aajkal east malaysia me hu... aade 200 ke kareeb sikh pariwar hain Miri city me , un ne 1 bada shandar gurudwara bana rakha hai ... shyam ko usme punjabi ki class hoti hain ar sare sikh kosis karte hain ki unke bache attend karen.... u can see a big croud coming daily.
mera mitr hain 1 sardarjee , unse poocha to unka tarak bada sahi tha.... bole ke har bande ki identity uski "maa boli " se hoti hai .... hum sikh hian .... agar kal ko bachon ko punjabi na aayi to kom/majhab se door ho jange , apna itihaas bhul jange , ar jisne apna itihas nahi bera wo kime aadmi nahi ..uski koi identity nahi .
to mhari bhi maa boli hai yaa.... aaj kal ise uut maa baap ho rahe hain , balak haryanwi bole to kan pe thappad maren hain ... poori kosis karen hian ke balak kati desi na bane
1st of all,Haryanvi is not a language in constitution. Punjabi is official language used in Punjab.So,its not possible to have classes of Haryanvi.
Now coming to thread topic, It's common trend observed in our society. Parents wants their children to speak in Hindi or English. Parents does this for betterment their children. If one communicate in Haryanvi only there is no doubt that he/she feels odd where Hindi should be used. This happened with elders when they were young. Parents don't it to be happened with their children. Parents want their children to compete well in future.
Nowhere we can relate this thing with identity. Any language is fine. Person is identified by it's culture and moral values.Generally Haryanvi's are identifies by their nature qualities like boldness, true at heart, good mannered etc. Parents never try to take away these from childern. That's more imporatnt.
aryasatyadev
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Let me say at the outset...... following are my personal views, and I intend no offence to anybody or any language or dialect.... and no matter what the arguement will not change my perception....
First of all about respect..... Yes, I respect my boli or dialect, known as Haryanavi, for second, I don't want that my childern should practice it.....
In my opinion, Haryanavi is not a language but a dialect, the normal 'BOLI' being spoken by masses in the belt of Haryana, parts of UP and parts of Rajasthan comes under this category, it does'nt have it's own script, we don't have any literature in this dialect (not that I know). So no history of the language.......
It comes out as a harsh language, when being heard..... even if two person are talking in normal tone, they seems to be quarlling...... in any office or in restaurant or cinema or anywhere you may imagine.... try to speak a few words of it and you will be the centre of ridicule.......
The so called modern songs (I am not including the traditional Raaganis) are also projecting the dialect in bad way.......
So, I want my childern to move ahead and yes if they are capable of modulating their tone to suit the occasion, then they may learn otherwise NO.
First of all about respect..... Yes, I respect my boli or dialect, known as Haryanavi, for second, I don't want that my childern should practice it.....
In my opinion, Haryanavi is not a language but a dialect, the normal 'BOLI' being spoken by masses in the belt of Haryana, parts of UP and parts of Rajasthan comes under this category, it does'nt have it's own script, we don't have any literature in this dialect (not that I know). So no history of the language.......
It comes out as a harsh language, when being heard..... even if two person are talking in normal tone, they seems to be quarlling...... in any office or in restaurant or cinema or anywhere you may imagine.... try to speak a few words of it and you will be the centre of ridicule.......
The so called modern songs (I am not including the traditional Raaganis) are also projecting the dialect in bad way.......
So, I want my childern to move ahead and yes if they are capable of modulating their tone to suit the occasion, then they may learn otherwise NO.
aryasatyadev
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The post by Praveen was not there when I started typing, I am happy to see another post of same tone..... I second you Praveen....
bazardparveen
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I agreed with almost all point. The quality of Haryanvi movies and songs(I am not taking about some exceptions) coming is really bad. Majority of dialogues and lyrics have double meaning One can't listen it alone. How one can encourage children to listen ???
But staya ji, I would like to say, if Haryanvi is used with soft tone it looks ok. It doesn't look that much odd if we talk softly.
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aaj kal ise uut maa baap ho rahe hain , balak haryanwi bole to kan pe thappad maren hain ... poori kosis karen hian ke balak kati desi na bane
i am born in delhi, studied in a convent school, but i never forgot my roots, my parents always used to take me to my village atleast twice in a month, also my grandparents and everyone in the family always use to speak in haryanvi.And gradually when i grew up to know and understand my our culture, i am so very proud of me being a Jat !!! And my kids are gonna definetly speak and learn my culture. unney 8-10 saal key hottey hi aakhaare mein daal dunga
...aap sab kuch seek javenge...narwaldeepak
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bahut badhiya argument bhai
.. modern day haryanwi songs are not at all represent our culture ....or bhai manne bera hai haryanwi language konya ... boli hai ... par iska itihaas to mhare bujurg rahe hain ... rahi baat punjabi ki .. punjabi bolan aale iski ijjat karen hain , india e nahi , us canada , uk sare yahi bolen hian .
or baaki apni samajh hai ... padhe likhe samajhdar aadmi ki soch sthir hoti hai
lalit_nashier
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kitne jatlanders aise hain jo apne bachon ko haryanwi bolne se mana karte hian... means kitne aise jatlander hain to haryanwi ko pichdepan ki nishani mante hian?
jis boli, bhasha mein parents baat kare ge
balak apne aap va pakd le hai
sikhan ki jarurt na hoti ghani si ...
to sab t badi baat ke hum khud apni boli (Haryanvi) bole hai ke nahi ..
haan main to bolu hu ... arr kati na chhodu bolna ..
( balak apne aap sikh ja ge
)is (http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28438) thread mein ghana e kuch discuss kara hai sab n milte-julte topic p ...
time pass category mein hai .. lekin time pass ke gela serious baat bhi hui hai .... maine lage s ... aap sab padhna pasand karo ge
( jisne padh liya hai vo pher pad sake hai
)bazardparveen
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bahut badhiya argument bhai
or bhai manne bera hai haryanwi language konya ... boli hai ... par iska itihaas to mhare bujurg rahe hain ... rahi baat punjabi ki .. punjabi bolan aale iski ijjat karen hain , india e nahi , us canada , uk sare yahi bolen hian .
or baaki apni samajh hai ... padhe likhe samajhdar aadmi ki soch sthir hoti hai
Dear Deepak, I don't think there is any relationship between learning history with language. Parents along with their children used go in traditional temples(gama main mandir main aur apni jo maan ho sae). They always told stories of elders to their children. I think that's the history you are talking about.
Anyway, if you are talking about some thing else then also language doesn't matter. In many of Schools, Indian History is taught in English where as our history is in Hindi. Ramyana and Mahabharta are taught in Hindi while originally available in Sanskrit. It doesn't mean we are disrespecting Sanskrit or forgetting history. It's a change comes with time. We have to accept these changes.
I am not against Haryanvi. I respect my mother tongue and our culture. I am strong supporter of Haryanvi language But try to understand the intention of parents behind this latest trend. Nobody can allow his child to lag behind others for Haryanvi language. Our young generation have to compete with rest of world. Hindi/English are demand of future. That's what parents are realizing and forcing children to use Hindi/English for communication. Along with these if child can learn Haryanvi then it's well in good otherwise leave it. My point is simple Hindi/English are must for good future and Every parent wants to see his child successful. There is no harm in that.
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urmiladuhan
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I think Jaatoo is a fantastic language because it signifies boldness and upfrontness. In my humble opinion, parents should not discourage children from learning this dialect but should ensure that their children are well conversant in globally applicable language i.e., english. In short, learn jatoo but not at the cost of english.
sunillathwal
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बालक तो हैं कोन्या मर्रे इब्ब तक, पर जब भी होवेंगे... हरयाणवी बोलण तै रोकण की बात तो दूर .. मैं तो एक्स्ट्रा क्लास लिया करूँगा हरयाणवी सिखाण की जै जरुरत पड़ी तो !!
बहोत सारी इस्सी चीज़ हैं जो हिंदी में या अंग्रेजी में ना कह सकते, जूकर:
परहे ने मर ले ने ... क्यों खोवे चढ़ रया सै, (side please);
यो किसी की इस्सी-तीसी होई रै याड़े... (what happened here),
बात का नाश सा हो ज्या सै, जै ट्रांसलेट कर के बोली जा तो! मतलब स्वाद ना आते बातचीत में
बहोत सारी इस्सी चीज़ हैं जो हिंदी में या अंग्रेजी में ना कह सकते, जूकर:
परहे ने मर ले ने ... क्यों खोवे चढ़ रया सै, (side please);
यो किसी की इस्सी-तीसी होई रै याड़े... (what happened here),
बात का नाश सा हो ज्या सै, जै ट्रांसलेट कर के बोली जा तो! मतलब स्वाद ना आते बातचीत में
bazardparveen
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बालक तो हैं कोन्या मर्रे इब्ब तक, पर जब भी होवेंगे... हरयाणवी बोलण तै रोकण की बात तो दूर .. मैं तो एक्स्ट्रा क्लास लिया करूँगा हरयाणवी सिखाण की जै जरुरत पड़ी तो !!
बहोत सारी इस्सी चीज़ हैं जो हिंदी में या अंग्रेजी में ना कह सकते, जूकर:
परहे ने मर ले ने ... क्यों खोवे चढ़ रया सै, (side please);
यो किसी की इस्सी-तीसी होई रै याड़े... (what happened here),
बात का नाश सा हो ज्या सै, जै ट्रांसलेट कर के बोली जा तो! मतलब स्वाद ना आते बातचीत में
Teri class main apna balka ne bhi khnda dyunga..............ek add line un bhi sikha diya......hindi/angreji galya haryanvi bhi jaruri hai.......ke bera kit rola main kam aa jaya............
narwaldeepak
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बालक तो हैं कोन्या मर्रे इब्ब तक, पर जब भी होवेंगे... हरयाणवी बोलण तै रोकण की बात तो दूर .. मैं तो एक्स्ट्रा क्लास लिया करूँगा हरयाणवी सिखाण की जै जरुरत पड़ी तो !!
बहोत सारी इस्सी चीज़ हैं जो हिंदी में या अंग्रेजी में ना कह सकते, जूकर:
परहे ने मर ले ने ... क्यों खोवे चढ़ रया सै, (side please);
यो किसी की इस्सी-तीसी होई रै याड़े... (what happened here),
बात का नाश सा हो ज्या सै, जै ट्रांसलेट कर के बोली जा तो! मतलब स्वाद ना आते बातचीत में
nu kati ghee ha ghaal diya lathwal saab :rock
these days kids are so smart they know how and when to speak hindi only without any desi (haryanvi tone).my son is more comfortable in speaking english but i try to converse only in hindi and haryanvi with him.he undestands haryanvi and i am sure one day he will be able to speak it fluently like us.here in usa i have seen families whoes kids speak only in english and haryanvi .sikh kids speak punjabi with proud wherever they go.we should be proud of our language and if we wont teach them now they will never learn later.