World's fastest train: China

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China has unveiled world's fastest train - speeds touch upto 400 kmph. The line is 1000 km long, it took them 4 years to complete the project. They are planning to introduce 17 new routes in the next 3 years.

Our Rajdhani travels at 70 kmph.
It would be great if we had such trains between major cities because trains are several times environmentally friendly compared to airplanes.

Here is the report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8406910.stm
 
China has unveiled world's fastest train - speeds touch upto 400 kmph. The line is 1000 km long, it took them 4 years to complete the project. They are planning to introduce 17 new routes in the next 3 years.

Our Rajdhani travels at 70 kmph.
It would be great if we had such trains between major cities because trains are several times environmentally friendly compared to airplanes.

Here is the report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8406910.stm

I travelled in Shanghai couple of times for airport in chinese train and they are incredible fast.
We can't build these trains because Naresh Goel gives birthday gift to Parful Patel so they don't want anybody to change the delhi-Mumbai aviation route..
 
It is manufactured by Transrapid of Germany. As Yudhvir said, there are always a lot of politics involved with construction of Maglev trains routes. The airline lobby is really strong in most countries.

I am happy for China. Atleast those guys are bringing order to their house. China will do better exponentially if it has a higher degree of individual and intellectual freedom and the Government limits its role to just maintaining law and order and as an enforcer of contracts.
 
India is finding it extremely difficult to maintain and upgrade the present lot of trains and the railway system. The quality is so poor so I wonder how can we think of having such railway network in here.
 
Bihari Coolies in Indian Railways are much more stronger than IAS officers in many other departments. Just becasue this department has been with all Bihari MPs - Fernandes, Paswan, Laloo... etc etc.... sabb ne band bajaa dee...!!!

Indian Railways is the biggest employer in the world. Also, it has capability to earn huge profits. Even more than what it is doing currently. Lekin Lalooo, Paswan jaise logg khaa gaye....!

As far as super speed trains are concerned, do you think it is possible to run such trains in India jahaan:

1. Railway tracks itney puraaney hon?
2. Gaaye-Bhains tracks ke aaspaas khulli charti hon... logg subah shaam tracks pe "chouth" maartey hon?
3. Bahut se railway Faatak bina kisi guard ke hon?
4. Log ek platform se doosrey platform par tracks ko paar kar ke jaate hon?
5. jahaan naxalites trains ko jab mann kare rok lete hon?
6. Coolies achchey bhale passengers ko gaali dete hoon.

Bahut time lagega Indian Railways ko yeh sab sudhaarne mein. Fir super express ki baat dekhiyo..!!
 
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China has unveiled world's fastest train - speeds touch upto 400 kmph. The line is 1000 km long, it took them 4 years to complete the project. They are planning to introduce 17 new routes in the next 3 years.

Our Rajdhani travels at 70 kmph.
It would be great if we had such trains between major cities because trains are several times environmentally friendly compared to airplanes.

Here is the report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8406910.stm

You want this type of train to be robbed in India… and substantial amount of investment go in vain. ppl doesn’t even spare bulb and mirror in local train…even seat also… some decades ago, one of the finest theater of India situated in jaipur,Rajmandir. Management had decided to put some small items scents, creams etc in the washroom only to be pilferaged….they stopped once our ladies used to put them all in their bags….

In Bombay, govt had installed Condom vending machine, public didn’t even spare condom machine and stole 365 machine out 700 machine installed. In chandigarh too public have broken these machines and stole the condoms. Now how inconvenient will it be for some of its genuine users who would have benefited, had it been properly working. :rolleyes:

India is a country of full of chors include me too… :cool: everybody is chor here most of the chor can be categorized as bizali chor. Everybody is in constant endeavor to what to steal or how to deceive ppl in order to have fokut ka maal. If India mulls this type of train. ppl can cut the bogie off and sell outright the fine steal and aluminum in open market.

Once some years back around the time of Olympic, my dad told to his friends on the poor performance of India in the Olympic and said why cant we send our chors to Olympic we will be on the top in medal grabbing.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/c...seeks-police-help-to-handle-situation/361165/
 
Super Speed

just imagine, सुपर स्पीड रेलगाडी के चालै पाछै ये चोथ मारण आले किसे उठ उठ भाजेंगे.. सब किम्मे सुपर स्पीड हो जागा.. चोथ भी... भिघन :D:D हा हा हा :D:D
As far as super speed trains are concerned, do you think it is possible to run such trains in India jahaan:
2. Gaaye-Bhains tracks ke aaspaas khulli charti hon... logg subah shaam tracks pe "chouth" maartey hon?
..!!
 
A fast train could be very effective for shorter high capacity routes - for example anything with 1 hour - around 350 km of NCR. This would connect Agra, Jaipur, Chandigarh/Mohali and other towns to Delhi. Same could be done for Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai etc. I say this because people will not take a flight between such short distances. Anyway, like Sumit said, there is lot of politics involved and all our politicians are corrupt.

As far as stealing stuff from bathroom/ lights etc is concerned, it does not matter. If they want to **** next to the tracks, they might find themselves in a $hitstorm.
 
india shining... india doing this, india doing that... all non-sense !
...
i really get p.off whenever i see a comparison of india pops up with china. we seem to be 100 yrs behind them. wonder when we'll be able to catch china, in amount of progress they hv done (>>> note : here i'm talking of only infrastructure). on few other threads we were talking of indian fears with/abt china. somewhere in india today (... long time back) i read tht, china can turn india into stone age with days, if a war opens btwn the two countries. i hv reasons to believe tht. all wud be finished by the time our red-tape bureaucracy wakes up or our politicians are able to take any decisions.

the prob with india is tht they wake up when the water runs over yr neck. look at the infra-structure development proceeding now... this shud hv been done when asiads were held in india. take our our flyovers... exceed yr limit over 60 while taking a turn (... say at aiims) nd you'll fly off. imagine those int'l standards where you go in/out off ramps at 120kmph.

mark my words even after 25 yrs frm now... say 2035, india wud still not be in a position to hold a tournament like 'olympics'. it wud be interesting to see how well we organize these 'commonwealth games'... with these traffic snarls becoming the buzz of the day.

wonder what stops us from having such trains... at least for 500-1000 km destinations. if we dont hv the tech... buy it.
 
india shining... india doing this, india doing that... all non-sense !
...
i really get p.off whenever i see a comparison of india pops up with china. we seem to be 100 yrs behind them. wonder when we'll be able to catch china, in amount of progress they hv done (>>> note : here i'm talking of only infrastructure). on few other threads we were talking of indian fears with/abt china. somewhere in india today (... long time back) i read tht, china can turn india into stone age with days, if a war opens btwn the two countries. i hv reasons to believe tht. all wud be finished by the time our red-tape bureaucracy wakes up or our politicians are able to take any decisions.

the prob with india is tht they wake up when the water runs over yr neck. look at the infra-structure development proceeding now... this shud hv been done when asiads were held in india. take our our flyovers... exceed yr limit over 60 while taking a turn (... say at aiims) nd you'll fly off. imagine those int'l standards where you go in/out off ramps at 120kmph.

mark my words even after 25 yrs frm now... say 2035, india wud still not be in a position to hold a tournament like 'olympics'. it wud be interesting to see how well we organize these 'commonwealth games'... with these traffic snarls becoming the buzz of the day.

wonder what stops us from having such trains... at least for 500-1000 km destinations. if we dont hv the tech... buy it.

True,

wonder what stops us from having such trains... at least for 500-1000 km destinations. if we dont hv the tech... buy it.

What stops us is we cannot believe this can happen.
 
Actually I dont see it as an impossibility. India is a place where we see the things in extremes.

We still have villages without electricity (mind it I am talking about basic stuff and not about cell phones or internet), our poverty line is rising but still we endeavor for space missions and actually have made our presence felt in this niche area. 33% of Army grenades are duds but we have sukhois, death holes (pot holes) galore on state highways and local roads but we have expressways and aspire for F1 track. Irony is that cell phones have become a commodity for even those people who cant afford 2 meals a day. Kerala has 99% literacy rate; I dont have numbers for bihar, rajasthan and orissa but it should not be a problem to assume that it is way below 50%.

But inspite of this I think that in the next 2 decades we wont have such trains in india.
 
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Actually I dont see it as an impossibility. India is a place where we see the things in extremes.

We still have villages without electricity (mind it I am talking about basic stuff and not about cell phones or internet), our poverty line is rising but still we endeavor for space missions and actually have made our presence felt in this niche area. 33% of Army grenades are duds but we have sukhois, death holes (pot holes) galore on state highways and local roads but we have expressways and aspire for F1 track. Irony is that cell phones have become a commodity for even those people who cant afford 2 meals a day. Kerala has 99% literacy rate; I dont have numbers for bihar, rajasthan and orissa but it should not be a problem to assume that it is way below 50%.

But inspite of this I think that in the next 2 decades we wont have such trains in india.

Here is the paper defining problems of magnetic levitation. Very technical paper, bear with authors it is translated from mandarin to english

http://maglev.com.www65.your-server.de/uploads/2006/Tagungsband/050_Ying Lin/050_Ying Lin_ok.pdf
One of the problems with this train system is tracks has to be in straight line with no sharp curves. Most of the infrastructure while going in and out of train stations, depots etc have sharp bends and curves. Other problems are highlighted in the paper.
 
india shining... india doing this, india doing that... all non-sense !
...
i really get p.off whenever i see a comparison of india pops up with china. we seem to be 100 yrs behind them. wonder when we'll be able to catch china, in amount of progress they hv done (>>> note : here i'm talking of only infrastructure).
mark my words even after 25 yrs frm now... say 2035, india wud still not be in a position to hold a tournament like 'olympics'. it wud be interesting to see how well we organize these 'commonwealth games'... with these traffic snarls becoming the buzz of the day.

wonder what stops us from having such trains... at least for 500-1000 km destinations. if we dont hv the tech... buy it.

Relax! Don't overestimate China. They have just a few urbanized spots like Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou etc. Rest of their country is not different from India. Even their villages don't get electricity. Even they have large rates of illiteracy.

Chinese government has strict anti-migration policies. You need government approval to move from one city to another. As a result, a lot of Chinese who have been left behind in the stone age, end up being illegal migrants in their own countries as they are living in urbanized centers like the ones I mentioned without Government authorization. Life sucks for an average Chinese peasant.

To be honest, I don't think that the Chinese boom will last for long. They hosted the Olympics last summer. In the process they systematically displaced millions of residents and razed homes and slums that were replaced by giant stadiums and sports complexes. Those monuments now stand vacant with no use.

Development does not happened in an organized manner. It always happens spontaneously. I look at development as a response to consumer demand. If people want organized cities, clean roads, high-rises, subways, maglev trains etc, then there is consumer demand for these products and services. Entrepreneurs step in to service such consumer demand.

This is where corruption comes in. Since the government has a tight grip over public resources and infrastructure, entrepreneurs run neck to neck with each other to keep the babus and the netas happy. These entrepreneurs pass the cost of doing business in such a corrupt business environment, on to the consumers who pay higher prices for goods and services.

National infrastructure and resources must be under the control of local citizens who elect city boards. These city boards should be responsible for taking care of local resources and infrastructure. In such a scenario, there is a reduced scope of corruption as entrepreneurs do not have to deal with babus in New Delhi to provide phone service in Chennai. If such deal happen locally, there is greater transparency.

The problem with India is that people are just so stuck in their daily ruts that they have no time to think about all this. They believe that the Government will leave them alone if they leave the Government alone.

Coming back to China, the house of cards will fall as the Government is in no way capable of solving the "problem of calculation." Government will never be able tp precisely calculate the appropriate the market demand and supply. This will cause market inefficiencies which will lead to widespread shortages and inflation.

I am yet to see the Communist Government in China come up with one product or technology that can be marketed globally. They can't even develop a gadget like an Ipod that is made by a small group of engineers in a building somewhere in Cupertino, California.

The good thing about India is that there is still a great degree of entrepreneurial freedom. A person with an idea has a better chance of capitalizing on it in India than he has it in China.

Conclusion: Grand architecture, high speed trains, nice roads and great armies don't make a country great. It is the degree of freedom that makes a country great. China's greatest drawback could be India's strongest point. Still the Government in India needs to allow a little more wiggle-room to its people.

The other thing India could greatly use is a culture of responsibility. When people spit on the street, they must realize that their mother or father could be the one stepping on it. People must treat common resources as they belonged to them. They must respect public infrastructure with the idea that they may have to use it again the next day.
 
The idea behind the train is to do what we are seeing here- to make the world go bonkers. It has no economic sense whatsoever. The cost of the project is 17bn dollars. If you borrow that amount, and assume 4% (only) interest rate, your interest bill alone would be 680mn dollars every year. I would let you calculate how many people need to travel on this train just to cover the interest amount. This project can't even pay for interest from its revenues, forget repaying the principal.

I understand that infrastructure is important and after the upfront pain, there is a big multiplier effect on the economy. But not at insane costs. Germans had patented this technology around world war 2 time, yet they haven't built a single line yet using it. And they have one of the best train networks in the world. Seventeen billion dollars is a lot of money. India can do much better stuff with that kind of money rather than building white elephants.

I think Chinese are very efficient people. I am impressed that they completed the project in a short time. But they are going overboard in an attempt to prove the world that they are the new power. I am not sure if the Chinese bubble is going to bust or not. Here are some people who think so:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/12/is-chinas-capital-spending-bubble-about-to-deflate.html

And the memories of Dubai should be fresh in every one's mind- they were doing crazy things there as well and everyone was going gaga while it lasted. Chinese have the forex reserves and probably this is an attempt to use those. But all those reserves came from exports after keeping their currency artifically low. The US and others should not be in a mood to tolerate this currency nonsense anymore, not that their households can afford to consume on credit anyways.
 
The idea behind the train is to do what we are seeing here- to make the world go bonkers. It has no economic sense whatsoever. The cost of the project is 17bn dollars. If you borrow that amount, and assume 4% (only) interest rate, your interest bill alone would be 680mn dollars every year. I would let you calculate how many people need to travel on this train just to cover the interest amount. This project can't even pay for interest from its revenues, forget repaying the principal.

I understand that infrastructure is important and after the upfront pain, there is a big multiplier effect on the economy. But not at insane costs. Germans had patented this technology around world war 2 time, yet they haven't built a single line yet using it. And they have one of the best train networks in the world. Seventeen billion dollars is a lot of money. India can do much better stuff with that kind of money rather than building white elephants.
i guess the necessity does exists in india, looking at the poor infrastructure we have here, where millions of hours of productive manpower is lost owing to bad roads, traffic snarls, wrong implementation of projects. ok for 500-1000 kms, lets cut down on our budget... at least have the tech to do it at least 200kmph... just my thots.
 
i guess the necessity does exists in india, looking at the poor infrastructure we have here, where millions of hours of productive manpower is lost owing to bad roads, traffic snarls, wrong implementation of projects. ok for 500-1000 kms, lets cut down on our budget... at least have the tech to do it at least 200kmph... just my thots.

Definitely. There is a BIG need for improving infrastructure in India. And I must say, last 10 years or so have been in the right direction, though not fast enough. There is need to do much more, reasonably quickly. We should upgrade our rail system, so that trains can run faster. I won't define a minimum speed, but there is significant scope for upside. Ditto with roads.

On this subject, I just thought that 17 billion dollars is a lot of money to waste in creating nothing but a glorified amusement park sort of experience.
 
Definitely. There is a BIG need for improving infrastructure in India. And I must say, last 10 years or so have been in the right direction, though not fast enough. There is need to do much more, reasonably quickly. We should upgrade our rail system, so that trains can run faster. I won't define a minimum speed, but there is significant scope for upside. Ditto with roads.

On this subject, I just thought that 17 billion dollars is a lot of money to waste in creating nothing but a glorified amusement park sort of experience.

Yeah there is a lot of scope for improvement. These days in NCR, you take your car out of the garage and park it on the road in traffic with other cars. Come to think of it .. delhi is a tiny tiny city ... very tiny .. with all these ppl and their cars. Then there is road rage .. especially from the local gaon walas .. they are the worst.
I suggest jet packs ... oh crap ! those can be fatal if ppl collide in the air ... wait a minute ... no !.... there is no hope.
 
True,

wonder what stops us from having such trains... at least for 500-1000 km destinations. if we dont hv the tech... buy it.

What stops us is we cannot believe this can happen.

What stops us dear friend it is Red Tapism!!!!!! this IAS lobby is more corrupt then the netas.
Did you know the metro project was visualised by rajiv gandhi in 1981 and wanted it to be modelled around the russian sysytem but then look when this project finally started.
Most of the projects which did start on time in this counrty have lagged behind schedule due to weak leadership.now an example of good leadership is the leadership given to metro project .
Topics like these are discussed in the IIM's but these babuss are making this counrty backwards bcus of their rigid thinking process.
 
Yeah there is a lot of scope for improvement. These days in NCR, you take your car out of the garage and park it on the road in traffic with other cars. Come to think of it .. delhi is a tiny tiny city ... very tiny .. with all these ppl and their cars. Then there is road rage .. especially from the local gaon walas .. they are the worst.
I suggest jet packs ... oh crap ! those can be fatal if ppl collide in the air ... wait a minute ... no !.... there is no hope.

Metro is making some difference, where ever it is running, that is. Quite a few people park their cars next to metro station and take the metro as it is faster and convenient. Right thing to do would be to enhance the metro network, and support it with a connecting bus network. That would be worth every paisa spent on it (and should still be within 17 bn dollars).
 
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