"Should the Govt amend HMA to ban 'same-gotra' marriage"?

Do you support same Gotra marriage?


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संजय भाई हमारे कुछ बडबोले खाप नेता गलत बयानबाजी से भ्रम की स्तिथि पैदा करते हैं ! जनता को ऐसे खाप नेताओं का बहिस्कार करना चाहिए !
मैंने टिकैत जी को आनर किलिंग की वकालत करते सुना है ! ऐसे और भी तत्व हैं जो गलत बयानी कर माहोल खराब करते हैं , समाज की बदनामी करते हैं!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRuhaX4kcW0
 
समर भाई, नविन जिंदल ते निरा बनिया निकला ! मैंने उसका एक इंटरव्यू सुना था, जिसमे हालाकि कुछ बातें उसने अच्छे तरीके से समझाई और खाप पंचायत के रोल को सराहा भी लेकिन गोत्र मामले में वह उलझा हुआ नजर आया!
उसकी व्यक्तिगत राय में, अपने ही गोत्र में शादी करने में उसे कोई दोष नजर नहीं आया !
दरअसल, जब उससे उसके बच्चों के बारे में पूछा गया तब उसका जवाब था, उसे कोई एतराज नहीं होगा! इस तरह के बयां से भ्रम पैदा होता है !
लगता है पार्टी आलाकमान की झिडकी से डर गया! फिर भी उसने कुछ अच्छा ही किया है !
कृपया ये लिंक देखिये :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vox5J1DPtck&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGt0UIM9nwE&feature=channel

cheers!









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vox5J1DPtck&feature=related
Baniya to baniya e niklega jat kyukar ban jaga?

Itna thoda hai ki wo sabse pehle jato ki gel aake khada ho gya? Jat CM se pehle
 
Rakesh here are the answers to ur questions
What if mother does so?
That was just an example it means the near and dear ones of the couple who has approved the marriage
Do you think Jindal is a fool?
Now CM Hooda also joined in what about him?
They are not fools , in fact they are very clever and they know that Khaps control their votebanks and so they can't afford to annoy them
Do you think it is easy to kill own childern irrespective of boy or girl?
Thats what my point , people are so brainwashed, boycotted socially, tortured ,publicly humiliated .....that they dare to take lives that too of their own children. All this becos 2 indi are in love and wnt to marry.. they are not harming anyone ..y ppl are more interested in others' personal/family matters and even if they do y to harrass them .

Regards,
Satyendra

Can i come and drink in your Home? I promise i won't harm anyone
 
as reiterated by ch. tikait, all khap leaders carry the same mind-set nd attitude.. "kill those who marry in same-gotra". for them this is the best discourse.

... nd then you raise objections, when media call these rulings as "talibani".


संजय भाई हमारे कुछ बडबोले खाप नेता गलत बयानबाजी से भ्रम की स्तिथि पैदा करते हैं ! जनता को ऐसे खाप नेताओं का बहिस्कार करना चाहिए !
मैंने टिकैत जी को आनर किलिंग की वकालत करते सुना है ! ऐसे और भी तत्व हैं जो गलत बयानी कर माहोल खराब करते हैं , समाज की बदनामी करते हैं!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRuhaX4kcW0
 
समर भाई, नविन जिंदल ते निरा बनिया निकला ! मैंने उसका एक इंटरव्यू सुना था, जिसमे हालाकि कुछ बातें उसने अच्छे तरीके से समझाई और खाप पंचायत के रोल को सराहा भी लेकिन गोत्र मामले में वह उलझा हुआ नजर आया!
उसकी व्यक्तिगत राय में, अपने ही गोत्र में शादी करने में उसे कोई दोष नजर नहीं आया !
दरअसल, जब उससे उसके बच्चों के बारे में पूछा गया तब उसका जवाब था, उसे कोई एतराज नहीं होगा! इस तरह के बयां से भ्रम पैदा होता है !
लगता है पार्टी आलाकमान की झिडकी से डर गया! फिर भी उसने कुछ अच्छा.......
देशवाल साहब , जिंदल एक व्यापारी कौम से तालुक रखते हैं और व्यापारी हर काम को नफे नुकशान से तौल कर करते हैं | अग्रवाल बनियों में वैसे एक गोत्तर खुद के गोत्तर को छोड़ने का रिवाज हैं अगर फिर भी शादी की नौबत आ जाये तो इनमे लड़के या लड़की को मामा गोद ले लेता हैं जिसे से गोत्तर भी टल जाता हैं और सामाजिक परेशानी भी नहीं आती | स न पक्के व्यापारी !!!
जिंदल साहब की बस यह ही बढाई हैं की वो एक बनिया हो कर जाटों की खापो के लिए खुल कर आये | इतना खुल कर अभी तक कोई जाट नेता भी नहीं आया | जाटों को तो यहाँ खाप की राजनीति में भी व्यापार करना नहीं आया असली व्यापरी तो यो बानिये का छोरा स जो जाटा त पहलया बाजी मार गया |
 
Dear Ravi,

Problem with us is that we (not just Jats but all Indians ) still follow years old orthodx traditions which might not be relevant in the current scenario. Also we force these customs as society as a whole to all irrespective of the fact what does an individual/family wants. It is there with regrad to marriage ,eductaion , job , religion, caste etc. Thats y students suicide when they fail, parents done even bother to think twice before killing their own kins..We need to be more tolerant and at least develop some humanity ..I am not questioning Khaps origin , their need and so on..all I am saying that todya khaps are forced one , they are not required, they might be required some decades back but not now..also yes present Khaps are corrupt, politically inclined and selfish. By comparing them by Taliban I only meant to say thet as Taliban forces age old traditions to the society , same does these Khaps do . I am not against intra-gotra marriages because earlier when clan was small then in-breeding might be the issue but now its too huge personally I would not like to maintain sister like relationship with any stranger just bcos she is of smae gotra..and my whole point is lets rise above al these petty issues and work for the social development , if these Khaps are so concerned about the social issues then girl infanticide, child marriage, dowry etc would have not been there . I at least expect young educated youth like us and MP like Jindal should not fall into Khaps propaganda.
And here I have just huge harsh language these guys (Khaps) deserve harsh punsihment , just ask the mother how she feels whose son and daughter in law got killed in front of her eyes.
Let sense prevails and so the peace...

Regards,
Satyendra
bol liyaaa ak aur bi nek salah s aaj ke naujwaano ke liye ........
 
Dear Ravi,

Problem with us is that we (not just Jats but all Indians ) still follow years old orthodx traditions which might not be relevant in the current scenario.
And here I have just huge harsh language these guys (Khaps) deserve harsh punsihment , just ask the mother how she feels whose son and daughter in law got killed in front of her eyes.
Let sense prevails and so the peace...

Regards,
Satyendra

These customs,tradition have some scientific corelation because of this peoples are following.And those who are following these customs and old age traditions are not fool.
 
By comparing them by Taliban I only meant to say thet as Taliban forces age old traditions to the society , same does these Khaps do

Here is what khaps has said: We know traditions change with time. Pahle Nani ka got chodte the ab usme relaxation de rakha he. Isliye hamne dadi ke got ko law me include karne ki bat nahi kayi sirf dhoodh aur khoon ka rista (same Gotra from father and mother side) ye do chiz he jo haam include karna chahte hen.

I am not against intra-gotra marriages because earlier when clan was small then in-breeding might be the issue but now its too huge personally I would not like to maintain sister like relationship with any stranger just bcos she is of smae gotra..and my whole point is lets rise above al these petty issues and work for the social development

Are Khaps stopping you to do social developement?? Let us know the name of that KHAP.

if these Khaps are so concerned about the social issues then girl infanticide, child marriage, dowry etc would have not been there . I at least expect young educated youth like us and MP like Jindal should not fall into Khaps propaganda.
Satyendra

Khaps also raise dowry and other issue. You just need to broaden you knowledge about their work. Some Khaps are even against excessive spending on weddings. Their barat is only max upto 17- 20 people.

But before questioning Khaps question yourself. Is khaps asking you to demand Dowry? Is khap asking you to kill unborn baby girl? Its the people who demand dowry.

Khaps even support free girl's education.



There is a world outside media as well.
 
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Inke Liye Panchayat ne kaunsa fatwa jari kiya?
महिला हाकी में हरियाणा की बालाओं का दबदबा कायम





सिरसा, जागरण टीम। कनाडा व जर्मनी में होने वाले महिला हाकी टूर्नामेंट के लिए चुनी गई भारतीय टीम में हरियाणा की बालाओं का दबदबा बरकरार है। टीम का नेतृत्व शाहबाद की सुरेंद्र कौर ही करेंगी। हालांकि गोलकीपर जसदीप कौर को टीम में मौका नहीं मिल पाया है।
उल्लेखनीय है कि भारतीय हाकी टीम 9 जून को कनाडा के लिए रवाना होंगी और 18 जून तक वहा मैच खेलेगी और उसके बाद जर्मनी रवाना होगी। इसके बाद जर्मनी में 23 से 25 जून तक चार देशों के टूर्नामेंट में भाग लेगी। इसमें भारत के अलावा मेजबान जर्मनी, आस्ट्रेलिया, आयरलैंड की टीमें ले रही हैं।
कोच बलदेव सिंह ने बताया कि शाहाबाद मारकंडेश्वर हाकी स्टेडियम की छह छात्राओं का टीम के लिए चयन किया गया है। उन्होंने बताया कि महिला हाकी टीम की कप्तान सुरेंद्र कौर के अलावा रीतू रानी, जवायदीप, मोनिका, रानी रामपाल तथा जसजीत कौर शामिल है। इसके अलावा सिरसा के जोधकां गांव की सविता पूनिया टीम में चुनी गई हैं। हिसार से भी एक खिलाड़ी पूनम को देश की टीम का प्रतिनिधित्व करने का अवसर मिला है।
उन्होने बताया कि इस टूर्नामेंट के लिए शाहाबाद की खिलाड़ी भोपाल में शुरू हुए अभ्यास शिविर में पहुच चुकी है। उन्होंने एशिया की बेस्ट गोलकीपर जसदीप कौर को टीम में शामिल न किए जाने पर खेद जताया है। उन्होंने कहा कि एशिया की बेस्ट खिलाड़ी की अनदेखी करना बेहद निराशाजनक है। उन्होने कहा कि शाहाबाद की गगनदीप कौर फुलबैक तथा हॉफ लाइन की खिलाड़ी रमणीक कौर जैसी तेजतर्रार खिलाड़ियों की भी अनदेखी की जा रही है।
सिरसा में सविता के पिता महेद्र पूनिया ने बताया कि 9 जून को सविता टीम के साथ कनाडा के लिए प्रस्थान करेगी।
 
Dear Ravi,

Problem with us is that we (not just Jats but all Indians ) still follow years old orthodx traditions which might not be relevant in the current scenario. Also we force these customs as society as a whole to all irrespective of the fact what does an individual/family wants. It is there with regrad to marriage ,eductaion , job , religion, caste etc. Thats y students suicide when they fail, parents done even bother to think twice before killing their own kins..We need to be more tolerant and at least develop some humanity ..I am not questioning Khaps origin , their need and so on..all I am saying that todya khaps are forced one , they are not required, they might be required some decades back but not now..also yes present Khaps are corrupt, politically inclined and selfish. By comparing them by Taliban I only meant to say thet as Taliban forces age old traditions to the society , same does these Khaps do . I am not against intra-gotra marriages because earlier when clan was small then in-breeding might be the issue but now its too huge personally I would not like to maintain sister like relationship with any stranger just bcos she is of smae gotra..and my whole point is lets rise above al these petty issues and work for the social development , if these Khaps are so concerned about the social issues then girl infanticide, child marriage, dowry etc would have not been there . I at least expect young educated youth like us and MP like Jindal should not fall into Khaps propaganda.
And here I have just huge harsh language these guys (Khaps) deserve harsh punsihment , just ask the mother how she feels whose son and daughter in law got killed in front of her eyes.
Let sense prevails and so the peace...

Regards,
Satyendra

It appears to me that satyendra has no knowledge of our khap system, our culture and traditions. Now in these days the clouds of corruption, politics & selfishness are over entire sky, thus why should we blam the khaps, infact the khaps are less corrupt than any other such organisation. Is mr satyendra away from corruption, political influence & self interest. Also in 99% case khaps are not responsible or have no hand in killing. the main reason for such killings are two, the eggo of the families involved & fear of society. Human being is a social annimal, he has to stay in society, has to follow norms of the society, no individual can leave society totally, where ever he goes he will find a society, social norms which he has to follow, if the person is civilised. Though, khaps are very useful , less corrupt, political & less selfish and even if these are abolished, still these killings wouldnot stop.Mr styendra please educate yourself on khap & social system, before passing such remarks for khaps
 
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Main reason for this image of khaps is media's wrong projection of khaps......Jin logo ko khap ke baare mein nahi pata aur woh media mein Khap ke baare mein padte hain , they seem to have a very negative views of Khaps.

En Media walo ka ke kara?
 
Main reason for this image of khaps is media's wrong projection of khaps......Jin logo ko khap ke baare mein nahi pata aur woh media mein Khap ke baare mein padte hain , they seem to have a very negative views of Khaps.

En Media walo ka ke kara?

Yeap, However, it's not that the people in media does not know. They either are paid for these news (may to pitch for non-jat CM) or they have some vested intrest of their own. I heard, TOI is in property investment (bhu mafia) also.
 
Khap aalya ne yu bhi karwaya hoga

: A 20-year-old woman was allegedly killed for “hon- our“ by her parents and mater- nal uncle while she was sleep- ing in her home in Nagla Badshah village near Aligarh on Tuesday. Shahroon Khan was stabbed with a sharp weapon after her family discovered she was in love with a young man from a nearby village, police said.
“Her parents, uncle and other family members went missing after committing the crime and two police teams are searching for them,“ Aligarh Senior Superintendent of Police Vijay Prakash said on Wednesday. The police were tipped off about the crime by Shahroon's younger brother, who was found hiding in a relative's house.
The brother has been taken into police custody for interro- gation.
Shahroon's relationship with Riyasat Khan (24) was discov- ered by her family members when they followed her to Bulandshahar, 80 km from Aligarh, where she was meet- ing Riyasat.
Her parents thrashed her when she came home on Monday evening and locked her in a room at night. They killed her the next morning and fled.
Neighbours, who noticed the house was quiet, peeped in and discovered Shahroon's body.
Riyasat and his family mem- bers also fled their home instead of coming forward to help the police with the inves- tigation.
Shahroon met Riyasat, the unemployed son of a farmer, at a marriage a year ago.
 
In addition to my post no 355, for the information of mr styendra, I am heading Kharb khap for last almost 30 years, as mahasavak, we have organised many very big getherings, we have solved many serious problems of brothers and working against social evils, for education & unity of the community. but till today not a single paise was collected from any body, no political or self interest fulfilled, you may varify from our any kharb brother or anybody else please.
 
dikhe hai hooda er navin jindal ka vote bank bhad gaya ...that's what they wanted

anyways i am all for same gotra marriage. i have written posts on the matter in some other thread too. logically there's no weigth in what you guys are saying. entire debate is driven by emotion
 
Main reason for this image of khaps is media's wrong projection of khaps......Jin logo ko khap ke baare mein nahi pata aur woh media mein Khap ke baare mein padte hain , they seem to have a very negative views of Khaps.

En Media walo ka ke kara?

we vey well know what kahps mean. they only mean "mean". and my experience is not only as a media person but as a jat too. i have seen what panchayats are like. all crap. most of them
 
we vey well know what kahps mean. they only mean "mean". and my experience is not only as a media person but as a jat too. i have seen what panchayats are like. all crap. most of them

So, Mr Media can you pl tell why there is biased reporting from media???You report mirchpur incident on 24x7 news channel,,, why not Jadaul in UP....just because dalits are not on receiving end....You guys always report what suits your TRP..
 
my vote in support for same gotra marriage because of these reasons.
1. I do not encourage same gotra marriage but if someone has decided to do that then it doesnt affect me.
2. There is "difference" in marrying siblings/counsins and same gotra people.
3. When this pratha was started (100s of years backs) then the population of jats was so limited that this pratha made sense but now when you can not trace the roots of same gotra jats to the common ancestor then it doesnt make any sense to follow this rule. Moreoever it is a guidence and advise not a law.
4. anyone who marries a same gotra person, doesnt see a brother or sister in that person. He sees a person with whom he/she had no connection as family and falls in love. may be both of them knew only the first name and then one day they discover, oh! your granmother's gotra is same as my grandmother's gotra..OMG! we are brother sisters now...lets tie rakhi...what rubbish!!
5. this diktat can be forced on weak and poor sections of rural jats; khaps can not even think of enforcing anything on other stronger sections of jat society.
6. Finally, almost all people want to avoid the same gotra marriage but then only a tinniest of the fraction of jat society opt for this. This is the same case where everyone wants to marry within their own cast, as a preference, but some people may end up marrying in other castes.
 
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we vey well know what kahps mean. they only mean "mean". and my experience is not only as a media person but as a jat too. i have seen what panchayats are like. all crap. most of them


My friend khaps cannot be more mean & cannot mean more mean than media, also the media is big crap
 
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