Sukbir Siwaich, Times of India on Jats

This is Sukhbir Siwach(Author of the report) and DR Chaudhary's personal propaganda. Ironically he didn't mention the incestual act of DR Chaudhary who is married in his own village.
 
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This is a gross mis-representation of facts. The incidence of incest in Haryana is, perhaps, the lowest in the country. It is a universal phenomenon and cannot be ruled out in other states as well as the metropolitan cities - the assumed 'hubs of sophistication and civilized culture'. People in villages are rather less prone to such lowly acts as they are grappling with so many problems for their survival which makes them so rugged and tough that they are able to refrain from such sinful acts. This was a cheap attempt to malign a community and amounts to yellow journalism. Every wrong doing should not be attributed to the Khaps. Having said that I do not agree with Samar's contention that DR Choudhary indulged in an act of incest by marrying a girl from his own village. As we have already discussed, it is customary in his village to marry a girl from the same village and many other people have done so. We may not agree to his viewpoint on this matter but we should try to be objective in our assessment.
 
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Few days back when our Home Minister raised the controversy of Bhagwa Aantakwad, then there were lots of protests from various political leaders. This issue is also similar, slandering entire rural community of a state. If Haryana MLA/MPs has any spine then they should raise this issue in parliament and issue a parliamentary privilege notice to TOI editors. If they wanted to report it honestly, then they should have published the figures/stories of incest/rape from Delhi also. These are just crimes and they happen in every part of the world.

Even murders happen in Haryana (and of course in other parts of the country) but does that mean someone can write a story saying that Khaps are not doing anything for that and therefore Haryana people are barbarians?
 
Sukhbir Siwach has gone crazy:mad::mad::mad: it seems that he is after publicity!!!

These type of relationships exist throughout the country & throughout the world.Choosing one state of the country shows his prejudice.Why dont he gave data of other states.Newest low in sensationalist journalism.Shame on him & TOI!!!! :(
 
IS Sukhbir Siwach a jat? Is he from Haryana?
Read the lines of Article
'The youth, interestingly, believe that incest is a traditional practice and not a new reality. "Yeh to hame virasat mein mili hai (incest is a part of our tradition), " says Naresh Kumar, a villager in Rohera in Kaithal district. Sociologists, in turn, say that the ethnic history of the region is full of such instances.'

Read more: Incest: Haryana's shameful social heritage - India - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...eritage/articleshow/6451268.cms#ixzz0xukeKoKh

Where is it a traditional practice? at least not in Haryana. It is Gross attempt to malign our state.
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It's a propaganda by media. This is not the first time, TOI is has been doing it since long.

What you can do is stop your subscription fo TOI. That is the most practical approach. Yun dukhara rone se kuch nahin hoga. Do some action.
 
Arvindc said:
It's a propaganda by media. This is not the first time, TOI is has been doing it since long.

What you can do is stop your subscription fo TOI. That is the most practical approach. Yun dukhara rone se kuch nahin hoga. Do some action.
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It is not TOI, but the individuals like Mr Siwaich , who are doing the writing.

Siwaich is a jat name.

Question becomes why a jat is writing such scurrilous, anti community material ??


They are not however difficult to handle.

Start with writing to them on their e -mails. Invite them to our workshops, seminars and discussin boards.

Sooner or later, logic prevails, and they stop writing material that has no basis.

TOI has now stopped writing virulent anti Jat material.

This leaves a few people like Siwaich.



Ravi Chaudhary
 
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ravichaudhary said:
It is not TOI, but the individuals like Mr Siwaich , who are doing the writing.

Siwaich is a jat name.

Question becomes why a jat is writing such scurrilous, anti community material ??


They are not however difficult to handle.

Start with writing to them on their e -mails. Invite them to our workshops, seminars and discussin boards.

Sooner or later, logic prevails, and they stop writing material that has no basis.

TOI has now stopped writing virulent anti Jat material.

This leaves a few people like Siwaich.



Ravi Chaudhary
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Ravi ji,

Debate ar dicussion te na mane ye, en sara ne Sukhbir Siwach etc etc barga ne kathe kar ke gola lathi la ke ki te sunsan kheta me kothade pe rok ke ar kothade me makode chhod dene chahiye.

aapni community ke jaichand hain ye jo aapni community ne dimak ki tariya kha hain, for cheap publicity.
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Khap-act-drives-woman-to-suicide/articleshow/6482411.cms
　
This was the latest news in TOI regarding TOI. I don’t think that TOI has stopped publishing khap news due to our protest be in the form of our comments or phone. Its just that our Indian media usually find a space goat(in any case that goes wrong) to make their headlines. Some time ago it was Lalit Modi(IPL), then it was Khap(honour killing) now it is Kalmadi(CWG). And then to justify that they have chosen the right person/body they some time fabricate news, publish only those news which can justify their case. Due to this people like Siwatch comes in picture. For Siwatch, it’s a free publicity and probably a chance to make quick money. For TOI, they can claim that Siwatch has first hand knowledge being himself a jat and that too from Haryana. So people(ignorant, from far away places) are most inclined to believe him.
　
Kalmadi wasn’t the only thing which went wrong in CWG. Still they only highlighted him and some people believed he is the only culprit This is how media works. I don’t think that Siwatch is ignorant. He probably has good knowledge about Khap and its working. So we cant really educate them through our seminars. They are not ignorant.

Also, every news paper is owned by an individual/group/management and they have their own biases or interests as we all have. Some are pro Congress, some are pro BJP. TOI is biased too and often highlight news against us. Same way as Punjab kesari did in 1980 against Jatt Sikhs. People stopped buying Punjab kesari and it was reduced as a tea stall newspaper. A reporter can publish a news in a way as to make hero a villain or villain a hero.

Regarding the incest thing which he has mentioned. There is little bit truth in it. These are very rare incidents and has very low percentage and are even rarer in Jat community. But what he did is presented this with quotes and examples, and gave it such a headline, to make it look like whole Haryana is incest. Now such rare incidents can be found in each and every community. Such incidents are reported in western societies as well. Many community don’t even consider these as incest. They have legal cousin marriages. As we all know why these incidents happen and by whom. In most cases wrong doers are immature and below the legal age.

Though it’s a good idea to call them to our 'workshop(I don’t know what we mean by this) and seminars but I believe the most effective solution would be 1. Stop buying TOI. 2. As Sanjay has suggested Gola lathi.
 
devdagar said:
I think following blog explains why Sukhbir Siwach has so much hatred against Jats

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/khaplandtales/entry/love-in-the-time-of
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This shows the moral values of the reporter. He is using journalism to avenge a personal incident that happened years ago.

Let's put a page on wiki bewaring people of such reporters and their personal propaganda against the community.

I have created a link on the wiki page http://www.jatland.com/home/Khap_and_National_Media. However, I could not create the corresponding page. Could the mods help?
 
Since Mr Siwach is so sure of incest in Haryyna, may I humbly request him to give examples of INCEST in his family so that the rest of us can be educated. May be he is NOT A MEMBER OF JATLAND, then can someone who knows him, please convey my message to him. I am really humble enough to be educated by him. And rest assured, if he can't educate me, then surely I would. That's a promise...
 
Overall impression of Haryana is not bad in India. Haryana is not supposed to be incest practising state. Haryana is known for its strong and stout people, prosperity, productivity and best breed of buffalos etc. So, it doesn't matter what monkeys write about Haryana. The readers also understand it and they just smile reading such articles. They scent the intention of the writer. They conclude that writer is discontent of his state/caste. So we should also smile on Siwach.
 
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@Vipin: Vipin, You have a great potential of writing a fiction. But, you should have spared DR Chaudhary and Jagmati as they have never been so virulent towards the community as a whole except for their anti honour killing stance to which they are entitled to. At least Jagmati has never indulged in singling out Jats and bashing them as a community. As far as her credentials as a Jat are concerned, she is a genuine Jat married to a Jat who is a person of high intgegrity and a revolutionary in his own right - an HAU alumnus, Haryana SFI's former General Secretary and currently, perhaps, Secretary of Haryana State Committee of CPI(M) - Comrade Inderjeet Singh. I know the couple from the time of their marriage and happened to have a brief interaction with Inderjeet at the residence of a common friend where we had a lengthy discussion on social issues. Even though ideologically there was no convergence at all in our views, I was greatly impressed by his intelligence, wit, dedication and revolutionary fervour. He sacrificed his bright carrier for the sake of his ideology which aims at betterment of the impoverished class irrespective of caste, religions and colours.

On Sukhbir's article, I have already recorded my comments and reiterate that his article was grossly misleading, full of misinformation and suffers from inaccuracies. But our offensive comments will not help us in clearing the air and projecting the image of Jat community as the cleanest one (which I believe it is) as far as incest is concerned. The matter needs to be taken up with Press Council of India or other appropriate authority regulating the scurrilous writing. We should refrain from such kind of imaginary dialogue with Sukhbir Siwach and putting words in his mouth. Otherwise, there will be no difference between his approach and ours.
 
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श्रीमान सिंह साहेब,
आपका लेफ्ट विंग से प्रेम समझ में आता है जैसा की आपने कई पोस्ट में जिक्र किया है किन्तु अब आप व्यक्तिगत संबंधो के आधार पर जगमती या DR को पाक साफ़ घोषित कर रहे हैं. ये बड़ा आश्चर्य चकित कर देने वाला है ! आपका मत है की ये सज्जन लोग सिर्फ *आनर किलिंग* के खिलाफ ही बोलते हैं ! जरा इनका नाम गूगल सर्च पर डाल कर इनके लेख पढ़िए ! ये दोनों विषाक्त मानसिकता से जाटों के विरुद्ध लिखते हैं ! जगमती स्वयम एक राजनितिक संघठन से जुडी है इसका तात्पर्य साफ़ है की अपने राजनितिक स्वार्थ के लिए वो ये सब सांग रच रही हैं ! पर इन दोनों मुर्ख प्राणियों को ये आभास नहीं की जाट बेल्ट में ऐसे तो कदापि वोते नहीं मिलेंगे हाँ कभी न कभी जुत इनकी सेवा अवस्य कर देंगे !

आपके संज्ञान हेतु कुछ लिंक सलंग्न हैं :-

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2125/stories/20041217002304200.हतं
http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article424506.ece?homepage=त्रुए
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.कम्स

ये जुत महान सिवाचो , ज्ञानी धानी DRs एवं लेनिन की उतराधिकारी जगमतियो की सेवा में


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विद मच हेट फ्रॉम
समर
 
Samarkadian said:
श्रीमान सिंह साहेब,
आपका लेफ्ट विंग से प्रेम समझ में आता है जैसा की आपने कई पोस्ट में जिक्र किया है किन्तु अब आप व्यक्तिगत संबंधो के आधार पर जगमती या DR को पाक साफ़ घोषित कर रहे हैं. ये बड़ा आश्चर्य चकित कर देने वाला है ! आपका मत है की ये सज्जन लोग सिर्फ *आनर किलिंग* के खिलाफ ही बोलते हैं ! जरा इनका नाम गूगल सर्च पर डाल कर इनके लेख पढ़िए ! ये दोनों विषाक्त मानसिकता से जाटों के विरुद्ध लिखते हैं ! जगमती स्वयम एक राजनितिक संघठन से जुडी है इसका तात्पर्य साफ़ है की अपने राजनितिक स्वार्थ के लिए वो ये सब सांग रच रही हैं ! पर इन दोनों मुर्ख प्राणियों को ये आभास नहीं की जाट बेल्ट में ऐसे तो कदापि वोते नहीं मिलेंगे हाँ कभी न कभी जुत इनकी सेवा अवस्य कर देंगे !

आपके संज्ञान हेतु कुछ लिंक सलंग्न हैं :-

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2125/stories/20041217002304200.हतं
http://beta.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article424506.ece?homepage=त्रुए
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/This-woman-wages-a-lone-battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.कम्स

ये जुत महान सिवाचो , ज्ञानी धानी DRs एवं लेनिन की उतराधिकारी जगमतियो की सेवा में


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विद मच हेट फ्रॉम
समर
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प्रिय समर,
आपके द्वारा प्रेषित लिंक पहले भी कई बार उधृत हो चुके है और मै इन्हे पहले ही पढ़ चूका हूँ I इनमे नयी बात कुछ नहीं है और इन्ही के आधार पर आप जगमती या भानमती को जूता मारना चाहते है तो अपने अरमान पूरे कर के देख लीजिये I घर में बैठ कर खिड़की से जूता दिखने से क्या लाभ I परन्तु किस किस की जुबान बंद करोगे I आप के जूते को लेकर एक और बवाल खड़ा होगा और मीडिया को और मसाला मिलेगा I सो यह निर्णय तो आपने लेना है की आपने अपना जूता किस किस को और कब दिखाना है I जब लोग अमरीकी राष्ट्रपति को और हरयाणा एवं कश्मीर के मुख्यमंत्रियों को जूते दिखाने का दुस्साहस कर सकते है तो आप जैसे दिग्गज नेता को ललकारने की हिमाकत भला कौन माई का लाल कर सकता है I आप अपना लिबर्टी, बाटा या woodland वाला जूता बेशक लहराएं मुझे कोई आपत्ति नहीं I

जहाँ तक व्यक्तिगत संबंधों की बात है तो मै यही कहूँगा के जिंदगी में हम अनगिनत लोगों से मिलते हैं और भिन्न विषयों पर बातचीत करते हैं इसका मतलब यह नहीं होता के एक या दो बार किसी से मिलने से अन्तरंग सम्बन्ध हो गए किसी से I ए काश के ऐसा मुमकिन होता I अगर ऐसा होता तो न जाने कितने ही मनचाहे सम्बन्ध होते I सो ऐसा कोई व्यक्तिगत सम्बन्ध नहीं है और वो २५-३० साल पुरानी मुलाकात महज एक इत्तेफाक था जो के सिर्फ मुझे याद है वो लोग शायद इस नाचीज को कभी का भूल चुके होंगे मुझे पक्का यकीन है I हमने तो अनगिनत लोगों से मोहब्बत की है मगर दुःख इस बात का है के हमें चाहने वाले शायद विरले ही है I

वामपंथी विचारधारा का हमदर्द होने में मुझे बिलकुल संकोच नहीं है क्योंकि शहीद भगत सिंह जैसे महान क्रांतिकारी अगर इस विचारधारा को दीवानगी की हद तक प्यार करते थे तो मुझ जैसा मामूली इंसान अगर थोड़ी सी हमदर्दी दिल में रखे तो क्या बुरी बात है I अगर आप जर्मन नीत्से के अनुयायी हो सकते है तो कोई और किसी दूसरी विचारधारा का हमदर्द क्यों नहीं हो सकता I क्या आप चाहते है के लोग भ्रष्ट, सामंतवादी , पूंजीवादी , और खान्दानशाही व्यवश्था के ही तलवे चाटते रहे I फिर भी मैं आपको बता दू के मै एक रूढ़िवादी और अँधा भगत नहीं हूँ किसी राजनैतिक प्रणाली या दल का I हर राजनैतिक विचारधारा को मैं अपने ही तराजू में तोलता हूँ I मेरा समर्थन या vote हमेशा मुद्दों पर आधारित होता है न कि व्यक्तिगत समीकरण या स्वार्थपरता पर I यहाँ जाटलैंड पर भी सब राजनैतिक रंगों के लोग आपको मिलेंगे और आप भी उनमे से एक होंगे जिसको किसी एक राजनैतिक परिवार से या अपने अजेंडा se लगाव होगा I यहाँ सब किसी न किसी एजेंडा के साथ हाजिर है I मैं कोई अपवाद नहीं हूँ I
 
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