A View on Gandhi

Thousands of books have been written on Mahatma Gandhiwith each new one claiming to have discovered an unknown facet of his eventful life. When reviews of Pulitzer Prize winner Joseph Lelyveld's "Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle with India" hit the newspapers in England and US claiming that the book says Gandhi was a bisexual and had a German-Jewish bodybuilder lover in Hermann Kallenbach it created immediate sensation.

But as the Daily Mail's review of the book created a storm in cyberspace, there was a barrage of protests not just from Gandhians who said this was "blasphemy", but from the book's author himself who denied having suggested anything of the sort.

Lelyveld told TOI, "I do not allege that Gandhi is a racist or bisexual in 'Great Soul'. The word 'bisexual' nowhere appears in the book." He also denied having called Gandhi a racist. "The word 'racist' is used once to characterise comments by Gandhi early in his stay in South Africa, part of a chapter summarising his statements about Africans and his relations with them. The chapter in no way concludes that he was a racist or offers any suggestion of it."

Psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar, one of the first to write on Gandhi's sexuality in 'Intimate Relations: Exploring Indian Sexuality' and later in 'Mira and Mahatma', is yet to read the book but has gone through an ocean of archives on Gandhi and says he never discovered anything that the reviewers claim the book consists of.

Kakar remembers finding references to Kallenbach during his research but not the way the reviewers have portrayed it. He says if the book has what reviewers claim then it is plain "stupid." "Gandhi always talked of complete love but it was of platonic kind," he says. Another eminent modern India historian who has read the book said, "The reviews are by Churchill fans and rightwingers." The Mahatma's grandson Gopal Gandhi said, "I will not comment till I read the book."

But Gandhian scholar Tridip Suhrud, author of books like 'The Autobiography of The Story of My Experiments With Truth' not only interacted with Lelyveld when he was researching the book but has also read it. He is aghast with the reviews and swears by Lelyveld. Suhrud says the section on Kallenbach begins with a quote from him.

"Lelyveld asks me what I think of Gandhi's relationship with Kallenbach and I say, 'It is almost like a couple'. The two had a deep bond that borders on attraction of platonic kind. Joseph is not talking about what the reviewers are claiming," Suhrud says. He explains that in the late 19th century and early 20th century men addressed each other in a way that can be construed now as lovers.

He gives the instance of letters between Rabindranath Tagore and CF Andrews. "Andrews wrote to Tagore in a manner that might raise eyebrows today. But the context was different then as also the usage of words. Tagore addressed him as Charlie," Suhrud says. He also says reviewers claim that the book portrays Gandhi as a racist is factually incorrect. In fact, he says, the book chronicles his work with Zulus as well during the Boer War where he took up the cause of the blacks.

Suhrud goes on to give full marks to Lelyveld and the book. He says it is the first political biography of Gandhi by an expert on apartheid. "It is a fascinating work. Lelyveld shows there is continuity in Gandhi as well as major points of departure. Gandhi of South Africa was not the same as Gandhi of Sabarmati ashram. And Gandhi of Sabarmati was not the same after Dandi March." Lelyveld agrees: "The aim of 'Great Soul' is to sift the evidence and facts of Gandhi's life and discuss them in a careful, responsible and balanced way."
 
सदा सच बोलो..!!
ये पंक्तियाँ हजारो वर्ष पुराणी हैं ....लेकिन इन महत्व तब बढ़ जाता है जब कोई इन को अपने जीवन में उतार लेता है ..और फिर ये पंक्तियाँ उसके व्यक्तित्व के साथ संलग्न कर दी जाती हैं ..!!
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congress might had been following non co-operation that time,,but gandhiji pumped blood in its vains..thats it.!!

Gandhi's Non-Violence

First of all, Gandhi never introduced the concepts of non-violence, civil disobedience etc. Boycott of British goods, civil disobedience, non-violence were already being practiced by the Congress when Gandhi joined the movement.

Interestingly, Gandhi's Non-Violence was more a symbol of cowradiness rather than any braveness. Gandhi's non-violence was not inspired by a genuine sense of non-injury but it was a blind fanatical adherence to a Hindu dictate 'Ahimsa paramo dharma'(non-violence is the highest principle)?

It would be interesting to see what advice Gandhi had for the British when they were threatened by the German troops during WWII and had to defend themselves. Here is part of the letter Gandhi wrote to Winston Churchill on the 4th of July, 1940 :

"I appeal for cessation of hostilities because war is bad in essence. You want to kill Nazism. Your soldiers are doing the same work of destruction as the Germans... I venture to present you with a nobler and a braver way worthy of the bravest soldiers. I want you to fight Nazism without arms or with non-violent arms. I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for having you or humanity. Invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions. Let them take possession of your beautiful island with your many beautiful buildings. You will give these but not your souls not your minds."

How many would like to agree with What Gandhi's advice to Churchill ?

Another incident of his deceptive and cowardice non-voilence was Chouri-Chora episode.

The villegers of Chauri Chora in Gorakhur District joined the non-corporation Movement. The villagers started picketing the local bazaar against liquor sales and high food prices. It was a peaceful non-violent protest. But the police arrested and beat up the volunteer leader Bhagwan Amit. A crowd came to the police station to protest, and the police responded by firing. The angry crowd then burnt down the police station, killing 22 policemen inside it.

Immediately upon hearing of the incident, Gandhi unilaterally called off the entire non-co-operation movement. Not even other Congress leaders were consulted. Even as British courts sentenced 172 of the 225 Chauri Chaura accused to death, there was no protest from Gandhi.

The impact of the calling off the strikes was very traumatic for many Indians. Scores and scores of Indians had given up Government jobs, children had left schools, students had boycotted colleges thinking their sacrifice would gain freedom for their country. But now they were all left stranded. They were rejected from their previous jobs and institutions and had no future at all. Gandhi did not bother about them one bit. He was so furious that his word was not followed, that he destroyed the futures of thousands who had sacrificed all they had to fight for freedom. Instead of unilaterally calling off the civil disobedience movement he could have reprimanded those responsible for the incident, but instead he chose to destroy the lives of thousands of selfless people.

Was Gandhi's non-voilence theory stood only about non-violence against the British or Indian mass should had been included also ?

Gandhi never showed any concern about the voilence against the Indians by the British.
 
Bhai mane bhi bot padha hai Gandhi k bare me, last me ek he conclusion pe aaya hoon ki Gandhi ne jeete ji bhi desh ka nash kiya aur marne k baad bhi kara.
 
Bhai mane bhi bot padha hai Gandhi k bare me, last me ek he conclusion pe aaya hoon ki Gandhi ne jeete ji bhi desh ka nash kiya aur marne k baad bhi kara.

Any moment or revolution can not be started with an ease you need strong command and dedication for that.
Gandhi was projected as a great leader who have no intentions to rule India because positions were already distributed.
in other words "Gandhi to BHOOND BANDHAN KHATER LE RAKHYA THA KARANIYE DOOSRE THE NAAM ISKA HO GYA"
 
desh ka vibhajan karvave bawli janta ,duniya likhe farjee sahitya ,is desh mein bhrashtachar ne kar rakhya satyanash,
jo hona tha vo ho gaya,eib be akal ka beej nahin dikhta jatland.com site par.



je gandhi ne desh ki azadi mein positive yogdaan nahin diya to ----
jatland.com par thread open karo desh azaad kisne karaaya,
ke fer angrez desh ne nyun ae chod ke ar tod ke chale gaye.
 
After reading all this thread and related material i observed that there are some people who don't want to change their view point even after getting good enough proofs.
there are authors who have been busy finding out the sensational side a person's (here MKG) life and than presenting it in a very glamourous (absurd) way to get fame and money...anyways good for them..

Samar Bhai,..,i am not convinced with most of the things/material/views you presented.
आप एक हठी बालक की तरह अपनी ही धुन में गा रहे थे ... जो बिलकुल भी समझने तो तैयार नहीं है ..!!
also Jit you are damn offended by MKG...

Upendra ji, Ravi ji,,Vijay ji , RK^2 ji, came up with very valid point...not to forget Kapil Bhai presented very good thoughts and made discussion very interesting...!!
All in all it was a worth reading thread...!!


P.S. pls don't get offended these are personal view,,which came to my mind and i put in the words..!!
 
HaHa :D Pannu bhai, your verdict gave me a good laugh !

Bhai, same question can be asked to all the loyal blindfolded followers of Gandhi too. Agree! He was a good leader with immense mass following but he too had flaws n' committed big blunders that makes him just an ordinary leader or mahatma whatever but still not a single Gandhian follower is ready to listen against him. Looks like all of Gandhi followers are brain washed.


After reading all this thread and related material i observed that there are some people who don't want to change their view point even after getting good enough proofs.
there are authors who have been busy finding out the sensational side a person's (here MKG) life and than presenting it in a very glamourous (absurd) way to get fame and money...anyways good for them..

Samar Bhai,..,i am not convinced with most of the things/material/views you presented.
आप एक हठी बालक की तरह अपनी ही धुन में गा रहे थे ... जो बिलकुल भी समझने तो तैयार नहीं है ..!!
also Jit you are damn offended by MKG...

Upendra ji, Ravi ji,,Vijay ji , RK^2 ji, came up with very valid point...not to forget Kapil Bhai presented very good thoughts and made discussion very interesting...!!
All in all it was a worth reading thread...!!


P.S. pls don't get offended these are personal view,,which came to my mind and i put in the words..!!
 
Mahatma gandhi was a Jat..ancestors of gandhi migrated to gujarat from Rajasthan some 300 years ago before he was born and start calling themselves gandhi because Jats were not in a good situation there..this is also one dark side of gandhi past that was never came in light before a great jat historian discovered it. I have read that book, name of historian is Ramsharan Baliyan but sorry I don't have any proof to paste here.
 
Well, Khushwant Singh fan may agree with him but definitely I don't. Khushwant's satire based review of the book doesn't dilute Gandhi's sick mentality and illicit acts!

This is actually a great article! Thanks. And I hope you agree with what Khushwant Singh is trying to say..
 
Khushwant singh ke baare mai to jitna kahu utna hi kam hai.Suraj ko deepak dikhane jaisa kaam hai.
wese Shobhaa de ke article padho to jyada ache se samjh aata hai is person ke baare mai.

Well, Khushwant Singh fan may agree with him but definitely I don't. Khushwant's satire based review of the book doesn't dilute Gandhi's sick mentality and illicit acts!
 
Well, Khushwant Singh fan may agree with him but definitely I don't. Khushwant's satire based review of the book doesn't dilute Gandhi's sick mentality and illicit acts!

Hehe, so now you don't agree with the link. Or rather you want to derive your own lessons. This reminds me of a short story.

The morals we draw
The father gathered the two little girls around him. Since they had disturbed him while he was reading a book on Gandhi, he decided to tell them about the Mahatma and more specifically, why he had a large framed photograph of the man in his study. So he told them the story of India’s independence and why it was unique among all such struggles. He told them that non-violent struggle, “not listening to the orders of the bad guys” was about thinking different. And if they looked carefully, they’d see “Think Different” written at the top right corner of the said photograph.
As usual, he asked “So, what’s the moral of the story?”
Instantly the Little Airy replied “Don’t listen (to orders).”
It figures, the father thought.
 
You got to read the book 'Gandhi: Naked Ambition' by Jad Adams and if not read 'The company of woman' by Khushwant Singh as well. Then surely you'll get the in-sight of their sick mentality.

I wonder how the followers justify their so called Mahatma's shortcomings.



Hehe, so now you don't agree with the link. Or rather you want to derive your own lessons. This reminds me of a short story.

The morals we draw
The father gathered the two little girls around him. Since they had disturbed him while he was reading a book on Gandhi, he decided to tell them about the Mahatma and more specifically, why he had a large framed photograph of the man in his study. So he told them the story of India’s independence and why it was unique among all such struggles. He told them that non-violent struggle, “not listening to the orders of the bad guys” was about thinking different. And if they looked carefully, they’d see “Think Different” written at the top right corner of the said photograph.
As usual, he asked “So, what’s the moral of the story?”
Instantly the Little Airy replied “Don’t listen (to orders).”
It figures, the father thought.
 
Well for me gandhi ji was never a great person, i always feel that sardar bhagat singh should be the father of this nation, And the currency should be like this



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And well its a crazy thing to die for the people you don't know even, at the age of 22.


If the deaf are to hear, the sound has to be very loud. When we dropped the bomb, it was not our intention to kill anybody. We have bombed the British Government. The British must quit India and make her free."”
 
Gandhi Ji, Indeed was a Mahatma.

Only one bad decision was giving power and name to Nehru family.

I have read many book, and autobiography and it very hard to opt a hard path and mission life.

Only "leader's by self" chooses sacrifice not everyone. And beneficiary of his sacrifice is Nehru family, not even his own family.
 
Source Times Of India

PUNE: He calls himself a fakir — a man who has no family, no property and no bank balance. He lives in a 10ft x 10ft spartan room attached to the Yadavbaba temple in Ahmednagar's Ralegan Siddhi village, 110km from Pune and wears only khadi.

But when 71-year-old Kisan Baburao Hazare alias Anna starts an agitation, every leader from Mumbai to Delhi sits up and takes notice. Even his detractors and politicians who hate his guts, grudgingly accept he is the only person who has the power to mobilize common people across the country and shake up a government. His small frail body has taken several blows from the countless agitations, tours and hunger strikes he has undertaken since he came in public life in 1975.

"I am not scared of death. I have no family to cry over me and if I die while doing something for the country I would be happy. We need to start a second freedom movement to get rid of corruption, red tapism, delays in government offices, frequent transfers of honest officials and lack of transparency," he says. Anna lost his mother Laxmibai in 2002 and has two married sisters — one in Mumbai and another in Sangamner who worry everytime their "stubborn brother starts an indefinite hunger strike".

However Anna has chosen to firmly stay away from any family ties and never visits his sisters. "I do have a home in Ralegan Siddhi but I have never set foot inside it in the last four decades," he once said.

He was born on January 15, 1940 in Bhingar village of Ahmednagar district to a family of an unskilled labourer who owned five acres of cultivable land. Adverse conditions pushed their family into the grip of poverty and in 1952 Hazare moved into his ancestral home in Ralegan Siddhi. He was brought up by a childless aunt who funded his education in Mumbai but financial instability pushed him into selling flowers for a living and he had to quit studies after Class VII.

Soon after, he joined the Army and trained as a truck driver but his days were spent reading books on the philosophy of Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi and Acharya Vinoba Bhave.

That turned him to social work. Two near-fatal mishaps in the 1965 war with Pakistan changed his outlook towards life and seeking voluntary retirement from the Army, he returned to Ralegan Siddhi in 1975 which was then in the grip of drought, poverty, crimes and alcoholism.

He used his savings for developmental work of the village. "I asked them to take an oath banning liquor, excessive grazing by cattle and felling of trees. Another oath was to have small families with men undergoing vasectomy," he recalled during an interaction.

He motivated villagers into voluntary labour. Canals and bunds were built to hold rainwater which solved the water scarcity problem and also increased irrigation possibilities in the village.

His achievements have won him many awards like the Indira Priyadarshini Vrikshamitra award, the Krishi Bhushana award, the Padma Shree, Padma Bhushan and the Ramon Magsaysay award. Care International of the USA, Transparency International, Seoul (South Korea) also felicitated him
 
Today he is a motivator what if after his death, few gori/kali chamdiwala bringout few facts like Gandhi
or his juniors/followers become Prime Minister.


Neither i am a follower of Gandhi nor i like his theories, But that man was a great leader.
I am not able to make even one follower but he United whole country under one flag.
I salute his leadership quality.
 
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