Brother pannu, your post was quotted by mistake, it was not reply to your post but general contribution.Brother VP, i AM A STRONG SUPPORTER OF UNITY like you, In my kharb khap after I tookover as mahasevak, our main agenda is unity, education, fight against social evils, lookingafter girls, ladies and parents, improving our general behaviour, encouraging people to go for business also etc. As for as various khaps/sabhas are concern, I am with you but dear we cannot have one sabha for the country, the stracture of organisation, division in various parts for batter management, has to be there. Ofcourse there shouldnot be any politics or self interest of anybody. It is good point that we should have elections but there are so many problems like many people donot want to comein for such work, most of us donot take any interest etc but it should be properly elected body and accountable.
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Death penalty for honor killing?
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akshaymalik84
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Which one is worse - killer of honour or killer of honour's killer?
samarkadian
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Samar,
1. The same way people who are indulged in ''honour killing'' define honour...Court takes that same (inhuman) attitude as honour.
1.1 No constitution can make rules to behold family values, ....but yes these are taught from one generation to other as they are taught to me or you. ( if we want a constitution for protecting family values and traditions than our country will not be second to Saudi Arabia where they chop-off the hands of a common thief or beat to death by stones the victim accused of any other high rated crime..rape.,, blasphemy..murder etc...).
By the way it seems ( the way you asked these questions) that you favour honour killing.
Seeming/appearing and Being are entirely different concepts. I ve nill control over what you 'seem' about anything.
You may seem an immature idiot by the above post but question is , are you?
ravinderpannu
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Which one is worse - killer of honour or killer of honour's killer?
both----> with no ambiguity
ravinderpannu
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Seeming/appearing and Being are entirely different concepts. I ve nill control over what you 'seem' about anything.
You may seem an immature idiot by the above post but question is , are you?
Great, lawyer (lier ) type reply...!!! be specific buddy..
you think someone who claims to bridge the gap between Jats and the world with a good hold over english language can comment anything,,but surely can think anything...
Which one is worse - killer of honour or killer of honour's killer?
Honour is important, but when its comes to kill our own family, then it should not given much importance, Log kya kahengae yeh soch kar apni family member ko maar dena shi nhi hai, kyunki jis samaj mai hum log reh rhae hai woh kisi ka nhi hai, if you do honour killing people will say "arey kitna zaalim hai apne hi bacche ko maar diya" aur agar aap sab accept kar lae "tou kamaal hai aisa kaise hone diya aapne apni community ka tou dhyan rkha hota.."Samaj baad mai pahle apni family,and Its truth everybody do that!!
There should be sharing and understanding between childrens and parents. So that these situations (honour's killing) should be avoided, parvarish bhi mayne rkhti hai, atleast childeren whether a boy or girl should be given liberty to express his or her feelings..advantage to this is if some how they are wrong somewhere parents can correct them..bacche paida karna unhe palna woh tou janwar bhi kar lete hai atleast kuch tou fark insano aur unmae..
And If we talk about love, It may be blind but not so much that a person should destroy his/her family social status...parents also have many expectations and that should not be destroyed..as i said above family should be given first preference and if someone is not caring for it, then the punishment should not be killing, Parents should accept that by thinking it there own mistake, because they are not able to establish a good relationship with there child..
sanjaymalik
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But few questions out of my morbid curosity:-
1.How does court defines pride and honour?
1.1 What are provosions in over-rated constituion to protect family values and traditions of Indian civilization.?
Samar, nothing happened to the honour & pride of Supreme Court judges when judges asked to turn down their side, in fornt of a coming minister by his gaurds during morning walk. And when very next day they issued notice to such minister on the matter. Is it not the pride or honor for them.
Such incident became honour or pride for them, instead of restiction by errant couples for voilation of rules and tradition of society increasing that things.
Here i am not advocating any honour kiling, but criticising the definition of rarest of rare cases, what about those who murder & raped females.
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sanjaymalik
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Seeming/appearing and Being are entirely different concepts. I ve nill control over what you 'seem' about anything.
You may seem an immature idiot by the above post but question is , are you?
Again it seems & appears.
sanjaymalik
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Rakesh,
Yes, honour killing is a planned murder, as soon as the family gets to know this they turn blood thirsty.
There is absolutely no difference between killing and murder... ( yes killing in self defence and unintentional killing are different , they are treated in a different way by the law too.).
There are very less or almost no dreams for girls in RURAL Areas,,,but yes the situation is changing these days and Kids are getting more exposure and opportunities...
moreover if you try to find how much love they have in a family...how much time they spend with there kids...how much they try to educate them about right and wrong..,, and when the kids engage in an relationship...DO YOU THINK THAT PARENTS ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE....NO NO,,, when kids choose a wrong path their parents get a slight idea definately SINCE they have not spoken to kids about LOVE/SEX/TRADITIONS/ADOLESCENCE in years,, they rather find it easy to kill a GIRL when they(lover couple) take extreme steps of getting married in same caste etc....
THERE IS NO HONOUR IN KILLING....!!!
by the way you also seem to be an enthusiastic supporter of honour killing,,,by the way we should teach our kids/society good.
So that's why it's being kept in catagory of rarest of rare?
akshaymalik84
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both----> with no ambiguity
Then why not equal punishment for both.
rakeshsehrawat
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Rakesh, I agree with you as far as your allegation against media is concerned. But we can not expect country's Judiciary to grant sanctity to the honour killing and its perpetrators. One has to commit this crime at one's own risk. And I am sure, no court or legislative in the world can venture to give sanctity to killing anyone in the name of honour. Even the terrorists or traitors are executed by the state machinery after a fair trial and completion of due process of law. It is, therefore, not sane to expect any concession from the Supreme court. It is sheer bad luck if someone's children bring a bad name or dishonour to his/her family. Those who are seriously concerned about family's honour, should be prepared to sacrifice their life too if they have to kill their kins.
Do you think that this is a Planned murder?
Do you believe that something exists with a name honour and what exactly is that?
What is that word that makes people to kill their kins?
People who believe in honour are ready and there are incidents where they theselves called police.If by changing few lines in law can save both why you are not in favour of that?
What would be your reaction if your Daughter/Son takes same step?
Yes, I believe more than you. Honour is just honour, what else it can be?originally quoted by Rakesh Sahrawat...
Do you believe that something exists with a name honour and what exactly is that?
InsanityWhat is that word that makes people to kill their kins?
It would hardly matter, if you or me are not in favour of Supreme Court judement. The judges go by their own wisdom and the set procedure. If you want any change in judicial system, you are free to do so. I am not stopping you.People who believe in honour are ready and there are incidents where they theselves called police.If by changing few lines in law can save both why you are not in favour of that?
Situation will never arise. Therefore, very stupid and hypothetical question as usual.What would be your reaction if your Daughter/Son takes same step?
Well it is, If you are going to kill someone its obvious you will plan to save yourself after the crime.Do you think that this is a Planned murder?
but killing should not be the action!Do you believe that something exists with a name honour and what exactly is that?
Illiteracy,unawarenessWhat is that word that makes people to kill their kins?
They called police because they feel guilty afterwards..Law don't allow honour killing then why to change it??People who believe in honour are ready and there are incidents where they theselves called police.If by changing few lines in law can save both why you are not in favour of that?
As is Replied earlier parents should accept that by thinking it there own mistake that they are not able to establish good relations with there child, that's why child has destroyed there social status by thinking about its own agar hath ki koi ungli mai infection ho jaye to usae kata nhi jata ilaaj kiya jata hai yaa, aur agar ilaaj na ho tou bardash karo..What would be your reaction if your Daughter/Son takes same step?
rakeshsehrawat
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Well it is, If you are going to kill someone its obvious you will plan to save yourself after the crime.
but killing should not be the action!
Illiteracy,unawareness
They called police because they feel guilty afterwards..Law don't allow honour killing then why to change it??
As is Replied earlier parents should accept that by thinking it there own mistake that they are not able to establish good relations with there child, that's why child has destroyed there social status by thinking about its own agar hath ki koi ungli mai infection ho jaye to usae kata nhi jata ilaaj kiya jata hai yaa, aur agar ilaaj na ho tou bardash karo..
Kaun kehta hai ki ungali nahi kati jati?
Meine pair kat-te hue dekhe hain.
Baaki VP Ji itna mat uchlo aap jis baat ko man-ne ko tayyar nahi wo logo ke gharo mein hoti hai to aap koi alien nahi ho. Ye cheej tabhi rukti hain jab samaj ki pabandiya ispe hoti hain. Honour wo hai jo ek Malasia mein baithe kangaal ko saal mein 4 baar hawai jahaj ka bhada kharch karne par majboor kar deta hai.
Aap jaise samajdhar aur umardraj aadmi se mujhe is jawab ki umeed nahi thee. I expected that you will reply that if this happens i will accept and give my blessings to newly wed couple.
Mujhe nhi lagta ke Honour Killing karne ke baad koi khush rha hoga, Police se bachega to society, agar society se bacha tou family or khud se kaha tak bhagae ga..Honour value karta hai par, but when its comes to kill our own family, then it should not given much importance, Log kya kahengae yeh soch kar apni family member ko maar dena shi nhi hai..Kaun kehta hai ki ungali nahi kati jati?Meine pair kat-te hue dekhe hain.
Aap short tempered ho kya?Baaki VP Ji itna mat uchlo aap jis baat ko man-ne ko tayyar nahi wo logo ke gharo mein hoti hai to aap koi alien nahi ho
What I think VP singh ji mean here is He know how his childrens, and trust them too, that they will follow and will give importance to there father in taking these kind of decisions in their life, that every father expect..Situation will never arise.
this is because you drive the topic to his family, which was not neededTherefore, very stupid and hypothetical question as usual.
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Do you think that this is a Planned murder?
Do you believe that something exists with a name honour and what exactly is that?
What is that word that makes people to kill their kins?
People who believe in honour are ready and there are incidents where they theselves called police.If by changing few lines in law can save both why you are not in favour of that?
What would be your reaction if your Daughter/Son takes same step?
Rakesh, we are not against any law which can prevent or atlist reduce the nos of such inccidents. Such murders are planned & executed and thus the punishment has to be hard. As for as the honour is concern, it is different for different people but still, it is connected with self respect, name of the family/organisation/institution etc. The way one dishonours the national flag, religious place/book/idol, chair of the high office or the court similarly the family has some honour and disobeying to the court or not presenting in time in the court or not following rules of the organisation it attracts punishment similarly if family rules/traditions are disobeyed, difaulters must get punishment but not death. It is not correct to ask personal questions but still, I will not at all feel bad if my children marry out of caste and out of village, if they marry with in gotra or my village, I shall ask them to leave my house and disown them, no share in property if the law permits and atlist no share in the property earned by me and my wife. Lastly brother generally weak people who lack self confidence and afraid of self take such step of killing children/wife.
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