Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

[swaich]

तू तेरे सड दादे uकी पोती त ब्याह करन ने तयार स तेरे त में के बहसकरूँ. अगली मांग थारी होगी सागी परदादे की पोती त ब्याह हर फेर सागी दादा हार बाप प आ जाओगे. गू में डले मारण त छींटे तो मुह पे ही लगा करे हे

Making personal comments is always first recourse when one has lost the argument. Sorry to see a member with 1000s of posts has to drop to this level.

 

[virj]

You yourself has mentioned that you have no problem marrying in your lineage as long as you dont have common ancestor 3-4 generation back. I am just bit disappointed with an intellect like you not angry. You claimed you know jatts who has done same gotra marriages and there are enough cases in media. I also know some Jatts from both side of the border so far no one has told me this. When I asked you to prove you couldnt find any except one which we all knew about. Debate cannot be run based on your perceptions, your hypothetical examples. It has been proved that you have no knowldge of what you talking about and now you said that you are ready to marry your sister (to me she would be your sister, I know you will call her wife).

Is there anything left to discuss?

The biggest joke is you telling me I have lost my arguments. Just to prove your point you publically agreed to marry you sister. You are just making fool of yourself. I dont want to go to that level and discuss it further. I have read this post 2 days back if I would have lost agruments or was I angry I would have replied same day. I would against say I cannot and dont want to discuss it with you any more and I dont care if you think that I have lost the agrument.

 

[swaich]

You yourself has mentioned that you have no problem marrying in your lineage as long as you dont have common ancestor 3-4 generation back. I am just bit disappointed with an intellect like you not angry. You claimed you know jatts who has done same gotra marriages and there are enough cases in media. When I asked you to prove you couldnt find any except one which we all knew about. Debate cannot be run based on your perceptions, your hypothetical examples. It has been proved that you have no knowldge of what you talking about and now you said that you are ready to marry your sister (to me she would be your sister, I know you will call her wife).

Is there anything left to discuss?

The biggest joke is you telling me I have lost my arguments. Just to prove your point you publically agreed to marry you point. You are just making fool of yourself. I just said I dont want to go to that level and discuss it further. I have read this post 2 days back if I would have lost agruments or was I angry I would have replied same day. I would against say I cannot and dont want to discuss it with you any more and I dont care if you think that I have lost the agrument.

You are right, there's nothing left to discuss. That is the difference between me and you. You feel being a Jatt is all about following all customs and traditions blindly. Not to question anything, even if it beats logic. Well I think differently. I believe as adults, we must only follow what feels right to us.

Till now no scientific proof of same-gotra marriage being bad for the future generation as been published. You call all you same gotra girls sisters, but marry some one whom your family member married a few generations ago. Hows that?

Perhaps the fool is the one with his eyes closed. One who realizes that his community is backward but doesnt want to evaluate the social customs and lack of education hampering its growth.

 

[rekhasmriti]

well in that case sir
in the beginning i was very particular about grammer n all jass

if u have time u can chk thread started by me " Feedback"

but then - some of my fellow JLs suggested me

ma'am- views matter- no language n no grammer - so please refrain urself from finding grammar msitakes

mei toh bas apne seniors ko follow kar rahi thi

taht too when- i also find their point logical

we are not here for some english class-
rather to share our views

It is not only spelling mistakes but grammatical too.

 

[cutejaatsandeep]

The example wasnt about Brahmins. It was to explain how customs change with time. Now please try reading it again and apply it to the same-gotra issue.

bhai seedhi baat yaa see kee apnneee gooot mai to byaah koni hon deee....aab iske against chahai jo marzi ho.....i am proud of being a jaat...m proud of jat history,our ancestors who sacrificed there lives to save our religion from katwas and will always follow traditions and i believe who try to break it should be killed...its as simple as that..u can marrry ur sister but we cant.

 

[rekhasmriti]

way to strong views-

i kinda like the strong gesture of urs

even i m with u buddy-
same gotra mei shadi- Super Big No


"who try to break it should be killed"

but yar mei apne bete ko fansi na chadhne doongi agar us bechare se anjane mei yeh galti ho gayee

bhai seedhi baat yaa see kee apnneee gooot mai to byaah koni hon deee....aab iske against chahai jo marzi ho.....i am proud of being a jaat...m proud of jat history,our ancestors who sacrificed there lives to save our religion from katwas and will always follow traditions and i believe who try to break it should be killed...its as simple as that..u can marrry ur sister but we cant.

 

[rinkusheoran]

way to strong views-

i kinda like the strong gesture of urs

even i m with u buddy-
same gotra mei shadi- Super Big No


"who try to break it should be killed"

but yar mei apne bete ko fansi na chadhne doongi agar us bechare se anjane mei yeh galti ho gayee

Kahte hain , "Maa pe putt pita bhi ghora , ghanna nhi to thoda thoda", so it all about upbringing rather than anything else.

 

[ygulia]

I think there is no need to talk about killing and revenge here but it is true that getting married in same gotra is a sin. Parents are responsible for it because they did not teach their children about it. It is my personal opinion and every person has a right to differ with it.

 

[prashantacmet]

It is not only spelling mistakes but grammatical too.

and REKHA can not speak hindi..i guess we all should learn spanish to talk with REKHA G

 

[rekhasmriti]

so u r accusing those people of not giving proper education n knowledge of their customs to their children

kaun apne bachon ko aisa kuch sikkhayega-

jiska result so dreadful hoga?????????


i kinda disagree-
yeh quote pehle zamane mei chalta hoga aaj nai sir

Kahte hain , "Maa pe putt pita bhi ghora , ghanna nhi to thoda thoda", so it all about upbringing rather than anything else.

 

[rekhasmriti]

kya bat -hai??????????

u knew i know little spanish

hablo espanol un poco y escrito espanol un poco


u remember that

nahi yar---aap sare kyun spanish seekhoge

mei akeli hi hindi seelh loongi

waise bhi-

yar bahut solid wali nahi aati-

but itni toh aati hai ki i can express my views

and REKHA can not speak hindi..i guess we all should learn spanish to talk with REKHA G

 

[rekhasmriti]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

i kinda disagree

its not upbringing or parents did not tell abt same to their kids

yeh customs- bade natural types hai

jo khud hi paat chal jate hai


later on if we change our view towards same------- then it our sole responsibilty

parents n family not responsible for same at all

I think there is no need to talk about killing and revenge here but it is true that getting married in same gotra is a sin. Parents are responsible for it because they did not teach their children about it. It is my personal opinion and every person has a right to differ with it.

 

[swaich]

bhai seedhi baat yaa see kee apnneee gooot mai to byaah koni hon deee....aab iske against chahai jo marzi ho.....i am proud of being a jaat...m proud of jat history,our ancestors who sacrificed there lives to save our religion from katwas and will always follow traditions and i believe who try to break it should be killed...its as simple as that..u can marrry ur sister but we cant.

So questioning a few customs or traditions is the same as not taking pride in Jatt history? Who told you that?

And where did this issue about Muslims come in? I am sure you know there are Muslim Jatts too. Jatts are not restricted to any one religion.

 

[sanjeev1984]

Bhai tradition or customs pe question karo!!! jaroor karo... or unko badalne ke mehant bhi karo... but kounse tradition change karne ki jarurat hai, ispe gehan vichar karna jarori hai... jaise aaj kal kuch log nikal pade hain jhanda le kar ki mugjhe kuch to badalna hai to chlo mai ye wala custom hi change kar deta hu... kahin is ek cheez ko change karne ke chakker mai hum kisi aise raste pe na chal pade jo or bhi jayada desasterous/distructive ho...

waise "cutejaatsandeep" kuch jayada hi emotional ho gaya... or gusse mai jat history bhi le aaya, ancestors ka sacrifice bhi le aaya or end mai to killing ke favour mai bol kar "violent streak" bhi dikha di... i suggest bhai sandeep "better stay calm"... although garmi humare khoon mai hai but mera sochna hai ki khoon jitna bhi garam ho dimag hamesha thanda rehna jarori hai...

haan bhai swaich, ek baat bata humare customs and traditions future se aaye hain ya humari history se??? or agar history se aaye hain to sandeep ne us history ka jikar kar ke kya galat kar diya jiska, jo history bani hai humare purkho ke customs, traditions and sacrificies se...

waise to sandeep bhai ko muslims ko include nahi karna chahiye tha but jab aapne khud hi bol diya ki muslims mai bhi jats hote hain or vo kisi religion tak ristricted nahi hain... to fir to sab jat logo ko mila kar baat karni chahiye... correct me if i am wrong???

So questioning a few customs or traditions is the same as not taking pride in Jatt history? Who told you that?

And where did this issue about Muslims come in? I am sure you know there are Muslim Jatts too. Jatts are not restricted to any one religion.

 

[prashantacmet]

So questioning a few customs or traditions is the same as not taking pride in Jatt history? Who told you that?

And where did this issue about Muslims come in? I am sure you know there are Muslim Jatts too. Jatts are not restricted to any one religion.

Not sure how much this is true but muslim jats also don't marry in same gotra..and dera sandeep please don't be so harsh for our muslim jats brothers without verifying the facts

Present Circumstances

The community are mainly owner cultivators, with many being substantial landowners, and inhabit villages that are exclusively Muley Jat. Animal husbandry and poultry are also secondary occupations. The Muley Jat have also have a tribal council, known as a khap panchayat. Offences that are dealt by the tribal council include adultery, elopement, disputes over land, water and theft. Its is also used maintain a system of social control over members of the community, particularly with regards to marriage. They speak Khari Boli among themselves, and Urdu with outsiders.[SUP][5][/SUP]
The Muley Jat are mainly a community of owner cultivators, and have much in common with the other neighbouring Muslim agrarian castes, such as the Ranghar and Tyagi Muslim. Like the Ranghar, the Muley Jat are strictly endogamous, and practice the custom of gotra and village exogamy. Their marriages customs are similar to the wider Jat community.[SUP][6] [/SUP]

[SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muley_Jats[/SUP]

 

[abhikrana]

Well, the meaning of in-breeding is pretty obvious and especially so, I believe to a learned person as you are.

Of course yes, there are a few traits which besides the cultural point of view are very particular to a community which distinguishes one community from another - and mind you these traits are both, beneficial as well as detrimental. It has been scientifically proven that a few communities in and from the Sindh area suffer from certain blood disorder and the reason given for it by the scientists and doctors is the practice of marriages within a very close circle EVEN within the community - For example marriage within relations and distant relations. Hence it would not be wrong to say that the practice of non-marriage within Gotras is the right practice followed from time memorial within our community.

And as far as gaining knowledge on genetics is concerned, I think I have studied enough of genetics during my college days. But it seems despite so much of literature in the newspaper and other media and scientifically proven and accepted facts, we still want to believe JUST what we want to believe. All that can be said in such cases is PLEASE GO AHEAD. SUIT YOURSELF BY ALL MEANS.

Could you define in-breeding first? If Jats have been marrying with Jats for 1000 years, arent they already one of the most in-bred communities? So should we first start marrying outside to prevent any genetic diseases? Read some other posts on page 6 and 7 of this thread and you will gain a lot of knowledge about genetics in the same gotra issue. And then you can tell me who is living in a fool's paradise.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

looks like country is full of anjana's
people sleep with one another
get married in court
and they come to know about gotra of eachother when parents of girl start chasing them or kill them

and media comes with a news "ANOTHER MURDER BY KHAP"

 

[prashantacmet]

looks like country is full of anjana's
people sleep with one another
get married in court
and they come to know about gotra of eachother when parents of girl start chasing them or kill them

and media comes with a news "ANOTHER MURDER BY KHAP"

hahahahah................This is happening like the case when a boy and a girl indulge in romantic chatting on facebook..they decide to meet and ends up being brother/sister... both were using fake IDs..let the love flourish!!

 

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