Haryana and West UP

[tarzon]

After Independence several state has been reorganized on linguistic and cultural basis. And on the same line Haryana and Punjab carved out as a separate state in 1966. When reorganization done on linguistic and cultural basis then one question arise in mine mind.

Several adjoining district of West UP (e.g. Ghaziabad, Baghpat, Merrut, Shamli, Muzzafarnagar, Saharanpur, Mathura, Agra etc) along Haryana are Linguistically and culturally similar.

They have similar culture, language, food habit etc.

Then why these district not included in Haryana at the time of reorganization of states???

Share your views:

 

[swaich]

Thats true actually. Most of western UP and Haryana are very similar. It would have made sense to carve out a state combining these two areas.

One reason that I can think of is that United Provinces which included western UP was always a separate state whereas the region now known as Haryana didnt have their own identity until 1966 and were seen as a part of Punjab.

 

[narenderkharb]

Thats true actually. Most of western UP and Haryana are very similar. It would have made sense to carve out a state combining these two areas.

One reason that I can think of is that United Provinces which included western UP was always a separate state whereas the region now known as Haryana didnt have their own identity until 1966 and were seen as a part of Punjab.

It is not your mistake as History of Hrayana is not taught even in Haryana schools.

As a matter of fact Country of Haryana always included Western UP and present capital of India ,Delhi was its own capital more than one thousand years ago..

Western UP was carved out of this after First war of INDEPENDENCE.

On the contrary Punjab is very new name if we see in historical annals as compared to Haryana .

 

[tarzon]

I can understand that United Provinces which included western UP was always a separate state but when State Reorganization Commission was setup whose main responsibility was to redefine to boundary of state throughout India then the fact of United Provinces doesn't hold the water. So don't know exactly why State Reorganization Commission didn't consider to include these adjoining district of West UP in Haryana...

Thats true actually. Most of western UP and Haryana are very similar. It would have made sense to carve out a state combining these two areas.

One reason that I can think of is that United Provinces which included western UP was always a separate state whereas the region now known as Haryana didnt have their own identity until 1966 and were seen as a part of Punjab.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Several adjoining district of West UP (e.g. Ghaziabad, Baghpat, Merrut, Shamli, Muzzafarnagar, Saharanpur, Mathura, Agra etc) along Haryana are Linguistically and culturally similar.

They have similar culture, language, food habit etc.

Then why these district not included in Haryana at the time of reorganization of states???

Share your views:

Haryana was not formed as a result of reorganisation of states commission report 1956.

People of Haryana had submitted demand before the states reorganisation commission in 1955-56 demanding carving out Haryana comprising Hindi Speaking areas of the then Punjab, Western Uttaer Pradesh, Delhi and districts of Jhunjhunu, Bharatpur, Sriganganagar etc in Rajasthan on the basis of historical, cultural and historical affinity. But the then central government rejected their plea on the basis of keeping the border state of India Punjab as a strong unit of the Union of India.

However it led to dissatisfaction among the Sikhs of Punjab and Haryanavis. Haryana was carved out due to struggle carried out by the people of Haryana and the Punjab on linguistic reorganisation of the then Punjab on 1st November, 1966. Some areas of the then Punjab were merged with Himachal Pradesh and a new Union Territory namely Chandigarh also came into existence.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Thats true actually. Most of western UP and Haryana are very similar. It would have made sense to carve out a state combining these two areas.

One reason that I can think of is that United Provinces which included western UP was always a separate state whereas the region now known as Haryana didnt have their own identity until 1966 and were seen as a part of Punjab.

Haryana is cradle of the Indian culture and civilisation where mantras of the Vedas were enchanted first at the banks of the River Saraswati. {The river was considered most mighty as to the volume of water it carried and venerated more profusely then the Ganges in the yore}. The famous battle of Bharata known as Mahabharata, three battles of Panipat, Battles of Tarain 1191-92, Battle of Karnal 1739 and peoples rise against the British occupation of the region since 1803 onwards is the testimony of the existence of this prime land in the forefront of the national polity! What more identity is required to prove than this. The Palam Boali Inscription contains its name as Haryana. Thanesar [now Kurukshetra] was the seat of power of Harashvardhan Pushyabhuti.

Above all, this is the place where SriKrishana delivered the immortal sandesh contained in the Gita!

Political expediency denied bifurcation of Uttar Pradesh in 1956 because Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, the Prime Minister and Pt. Govind Ballbh Pant, the then Home Minister wanted not to weaken the hold of UP on national politics. Moreover, the fertile area comprising western UP district is the wheat and rice bowl of Hilly area of the State. Their inclusion in Haryana would have led to adverse impact on economy of the state too.

No doubt, geographical demarcation of Haryana of the past years remained embedded in the minds of people, political entity of Haryana was tried to be eliminated by parceling out its territories to several Sikh Rulers, and cutting off Delhi district from it, and severing it from NW United Provinces and tagging major part of Haryana with the then Punjab state as a part of punishment to the people of Haryana for their participation in the First War of Indian Independence faught in 1857-58.

 

[narenderkharb]

Though Palam Boali inscription deals with Prithvi raj Chouhan ,Haryana as a country is recorded much before that by Jain poet Vibudh Sridhar in his book Pasanah Chariu in Mahipal tomar times.Here he mention about Haryana Desh its capital and charcter of its people .....








Translation: .......There are countless villages in Haryana country. The villagers there work

hard. They don't accept domination of others, and are experts in making the blood of

their enemies flow. Indra himself praises this country. The capital of this country is Dhilli........







Pasanah Chriu is available in file section of yahoo Jat History Group..

 

[swaich]

Haryana is cradle of the Indian culture and civilisation where mantras of the Vedas were enchanted first at the banks of the River Saraswati. {The river was considered most mighty as to the volume of water it carried and venerated more profusely then the Ganges in the yore}. The famous battle of Bharata known as Mahabharata, three battles of Panipat, Battles of Tarain 1191-92, Battle of Karnal 1739 and peoples rise against the British occupation of the region since 1803 onwards is the testimony of the existence of this prime land in the forefront of the national polity! What more identity is required to prove than this. The Palam Boali Inscription contains its name as Haryana. Thanesar [now Kurukshetra] was the seat of power of Harashvardhan Pushyabhuti.

Above all, this is the place where SriKrishana delivered the immortal sandesh contained in the Gita!

Political expediency denied bifurcation of Uttar Pradesh in 1956 because Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, the Prime Minister and Pt. Govind Ballbh Pant, the then Home Minister wanted not to weaken the hold of UP on national politics. Moreover, the fertile area comprising western UP district is the wheat and rice bowl of Hilly area of the State. Their inclusion in Haryana would have led to adverse impact on economy of the state too.

No doubt, geographical demarcation of Haryana of the past years remained embedded in the minds of people, political entity of Haryana was tried to be eliminated by parceling out its territories to several Sikh Rulers, and cutting off Delhi district from it, and severing it from NW United Provinces and tagging major part of Haryana with the then Punjab state as a part of punishment to the people of Haryana for their participation in the First War of Indian Independence faught in 1857-58.

I am not doubting the historical importance of the land. What I meant was that the current political entity of Haryana was always a part of a larger kingdom/ state before being formally recognized independently in 1966. But looks like Kharb ji understood my comment and his post has definitely cleared a lot of things.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Though Palam Boali inscription deals with Prithvi raj Chouhan ,Haryana as a country is recorded much before that by Jain poet Vibudh Sridhar in his book Pasanah Chariu in Mahipal tomar times.Here he mention about Haryana Desh its capital and charcter of its people .....



Translation: .......There are countless villages in Haryana country. The villagers there work

hard. They don't accept domination of others, and are experts in making the blood of

their enemies flow. Indra himself praises this country. The capital of this country is Dhilli........

Pasanah Chriu is available in file section of yahoo Jat History Group..

Friend for your attempt to establish and add one more authentic evidence to the identity of the ancient land of Haryana, you deserve to be thanked!

regards

 

[narenderkharb]

Thanks for the nice words but the real credit goes to Dr Yashwant Mallaya, Prof of History in University of California ,who searched and translated this Jain Text and Ravi Choudhary moderator of Jat History site who invited him on yahoo group where he could share info about Haryana and its people.

 

[abhisheksangwan]

Haryana is Jat-dominated state,Punjab is Jatt-Sikh dominated state & Rajasthan too have good population of Jats.
But Uttar Pradesh has very large population so Jats of Uttar Pradesh are not able to show their proper representation. But still they have national level leader like Ajit Singh.
Jats of Delhi are cornered by the politicians like Shiela Dixit. Shiela Dixit has destroyed the lives of Jats in Delhi by creating JJ Colonies. Bangladeshis & Biharis live in these colonies. They get food grains,electricity,etc at subsidised rates from the Government.
Land is taken from the Jats just to settle criminals in JJ colonies,, not for some development purpose.
Now situation is so worse that Jats in Delhi can easily win only MCD Election not Vidhan Sabha or Lok Sabha Election.

 

[ravinderjeet]

Haryana is Jat-dominated state,Punjab is Jatt-Sikh dominated state & Rajasthan too have good population of Jats.
But Uttar Pradesh has very large population so Jats of Uttar Pradesh are not able to show their proper representation. But still they have national level leader like Ajit Singh.
Jats of Delhi are cornered by the politicians like Shiela Dixit. Shiela Dixit has destroyed the lives of Jats in Delhi by creating JJ Colonies. Bangladeshis & Biharis live in these colonies. They get food grains,electricity,etc at subsidised rates from the Government.
Land is taken from the Jats just to settle criminals in JJ colonies,, not for some development purpose.
Now situation is so worse that Jats in Delhi can easily win only MCD Election not Vidhan Sabha or Lok Sabha Election.

दिल्ली के जाट पिस्सां की बू में बावले होरे सें ,इब्ब उन् ने जट्टां के अधिकार या राजनीती या उनके हक़ की बात करण खातर फुरसत कोणी , अर जा कोए इस्सी बात करे ते उह ने बावली बूच अनपढ़ समझें सें वे | घंखर्या का किराए पे जीणा अर साबत दिन पत्ते खेलना ,या-ए उनकी दिनचर्या स | राजनीती में ते कटी ख़तम हो लिए जाट दिल्ली के ,भाप्प्यां का राज स |

 

[swaich]

It is not your mistake as History of Hrayana is not taught even in Haryana schools.

As a matter of fact Country of Haryana always included Western UP and present capital of India ,Delhi was its own capital more than one thousand years ago..

Western UP was carved out of this after First war of INDEPENDENCE.

On the contrary Punjab is very new name if we see in historical annals as compared to Haryana .

Thanks for the interesting info. It does seem like Delhi Territory included present day Haryana amd Western UP.

I think Punjab's sanskritized name was first mentioned in the Mahabharata as Panch-Nada. I read that this was taken up later by the Persian speakers who translated it as Punjab. So as a name, Punjab would be closed to more than 2 thousand year old.

 

[narenderkharb]

It does seem like Delhi Territory included present day Haryana amd Western UP.

Yes, but I wonder why historian didn't write Haryana in place of Delhi (Kingdom/Sultanate) despite of the fact that inscription and records from Tomars(Pasanah Chariu) ,Chouhans(palam Baoli Inscription) till Balban period (Palm Inscription of 1276 A.D.)refer this territory as Haryana Desha.

I think Punjab's sanskritized name was first mentioned in the Mahabharata as Panch-Nada. I read that this was taken up later by the Persian speakers who translated it as Punjab. So as a name, Punjab would be closed to more than 2 thousand year old.

I was comparing Punjab that find first mention in Sixteenth century with Haryana ,However Panchnada that certainly stands for Later Punjab has been recorded much earlier.

All we know Haryana was called Haryana even in eight/ninth century AD but since when we have no idea.

 

[sumitjattan]

Nice piece sir ... kudos

Haryana is cradle of the Indian culture and civilisation where mantras of the Vedas were enchanted first at the banks of the River Saraswati. {The river was considered most mighty as to the volume of water it carried and venerated more profusely then the Ganges in the yore}. The famous battle of Bharata known as Mahabharata, three battles of Panipat, Battles of Tarain 1191-92, Battle of Karnal 1739 and peoples rise against the British occupation of the region since 1803 onwards is the testimony of the existence of this prime land in the forefront of the national polity! What more identity is required to prove than this. The Palam Boali Inscription contains its name as Haryana. Thanesar [now Kurukshetra] was the seat of power of Harashvardhan Pushyabhuti.

Above all, this is the place where SriKrishana delivered the immortal sandesh contained in the Gita!

Political expediency denied bifurcation of Uttar Pradesh in 1956 because Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, the Prime Minister and Pt. Govind Ballbh Pant, the then Home Minister wanted not to weaken the hold of UP on national politics. Moreover, the fertile area comprising western UP district is the wheat and rice bowl of Hilly area of the State. Their inclusion in Haryana would have led to adverse impact on economy of the state too.

No doubt, geographical demarcation of Haryana of the past years remained embedded in the minds of people, political entity of Haryana was tried to be eliminated by parceling out its territories to several Sikh Rulers, and cutting off Delhi district from it, and severing it from NW United Provinces and tagging major part of Haryana with the then Punjab state as a part of punishment to the people of Haryana for their participation in the First War of Indian Independence faught in 1857-58.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

I am not doubting the historical importance of the land. What I meant was that the current political entity of Haryana was always a part of a larger kingdom/ state before being formally recognized independently in 1966. But looks like Kharb ji understood my comment and his post has definitely cleared a lot of things.

Right Haryana as a provincial unit of Indian Union emerged on 1st November 1966; although not 'formally recognised independently' but as a part and parcel of India.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Yes, but I wonder why historian didn't write Haryana in place of Delhi (Kingdom/Sultanate) despite of the fact that inscription and records from Tomars(Pasanah Chariu) ,Chouhans(palam Baoli Inscription) till Balban period (Palm Inscription of 1276 A.D.)refer this territory as Haryana Desha.
.......

Friend,

The reason for naming Sultanate is clear as it comprised larger tracts than the region represented by the name Haryana which was just a part of the bigger Sultanate kingdom. It derived its name from the Capital city Delhi as its hold extended over several states of Indian Union of today.

Thanks and regards.

 

[randhir27]

Reason is that these Districts are backbone of U.P. , these Districts are income source of UP . Whole the money spend in east up was earned by west up .

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Haryana is Jat-dominated state,Punjab is Jatt-Sikh dominated state & Rajasthan too have good population of Jats.
But Uttar Pradesh has very large population so Jats of Uttar Pradesh are not able to show their proper representation. But still they have national level leader like Ajit Singh......

Friends,

The void left by departing of Chaudhary Charan Singh former PM and Chaudhary Devi Lal, Deputy PM of India has left Jats to lament and miss them. They are eager to have at least one national leader but the wait continues to prolong the emergence of one such person who duly qualifies to be said to be national leader!

National leader is one who leads and represents the people of India as a whole not a region or zone only.

It would have been happy moment for us to see Chaudhary Ajit Singh's at the helm of affairs at national level. But as a matter of fact neither he nor any other Jat leader qualifies to be called national leader as of today. The fact is neither R L D led by him has any presence in any other state than in a few districts of western U.P. nor it is a regional party having even its representation in entire area of Uttar Pradesh. Therefore RLD can be termed as a zonal political party.

Thanks

 

[abhisheksangwan]

Friends,

The void left by departing of Chaudhary Charan Singh former PM and Chaudhary Devi Lal, Deputy PM of India has left Jats to lament and miss them. They are eager to have at least one national leader but the wait continues to prolong the emergence of one such person who duly qualifies to be said to be national leader!

National leader is one who leads and represents the people of India as a whole not a region or zone only.

It would have been happy moment for us to see Chaudhary Ajit Singh's at the helm of affairs at national level. But as a matter of fact neither he nor any other Jat leader qualifies to be called national leader as of today. The fact is neither R L D led by him has any presence in any other state than in a few districts of western U.P. nor it is a regional party having even its representation in entire area of Uttar Pradesh. Therefore RLD can be termed as a zonal political party.

Thanks

Sir
Ch. Ajit Singh is only Jat Minister in Union Cabinet of India.
Otherwise there is no Jat minister .. Mahadeo Singh Khandela is minister of State that too for Tribal Affairs ..
At least Ch. Ajit Singh should have bargained for a better ministry like Rural Development,Panchayati Raj,Transport,Commerce or Agriculture that could have helped our community