Research on history of Jat clans

[narenderkharb]

One must understand the basic reason for such Jat/ Rajput controversy regarding origin of some Jat clans.

Jat is a parental identity .......and Rajput is a later title that was conferred on many Jat/ Scythic/Hunnic clans along with many non Jat clans.

So when a Chahal Jat says he is a decendant of that King .......he refers to his(ancesstor) Jat chahal identity but to Bhat since ,he was given a Rajput title , he is a Rajput ...So a parental Jat ancesstor becomes a Rajput ancesstor in Bhat's records ......Later on while towards northern areas as Punjab Haryana Parental Jat identity remained strong ......towards southern areas as Rajasthan (under Mount Abu Yagna influence ) identity was diluted and more Jats started identifying themselves with their neo Rajput titles.

That's why you will find a waraich Jat of Punjab becomes a Warich Rajput towards upper Sindh or a Chouhan and Bhatti Jat becoming a Rajput in southern areas .Britishers got confused so much by this regular phenomenon that they wrote it is difficult to find a distinguishing line between the two groups .

Bhats later invented some fenciful stories and told same story for all casts......A women meeting some king and leading to a new clan in her cast .All crap no substance.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

I think Burdak ji wants all sorts of information about any clan at one place so that members can find out what is right and what is wrong ?

You are right Friend.

The relevant information is posted in good faith by Burdakji.

But it would have been better to inform the readers about the sources of information quoted/and used by Rose i.e. the tales heard by enumerators as told by the people who were ignorant of the facts of the history in those days of illiteracy in late 19th and of first decade of the 20th century.

Further, by giving a new twist to the tales quoted by Rose by advising to replace word Rajput by word Jat, he has put himself in a fix.

However, it is just an error of miscalculation and misjudgement which deserve can-donation.

Thanks

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Sir when he is writing him as Rajput How can he be a Jat ,you are quoting a source and then modifying that as per your whim and wishe.Here Rose says he is a Rajput married a jatani and his decendants were termed Jats so all Chahi, Chima .....Jats are Dogale, illegal sons.......What can be more derogatory than this ?

On the contrary you could have very well explained that since Chinna Jat clan is mentioned on Indian soils more than thousands years before Akbar was even born, by Greeks sources and many Puranic traditions ,so these Rajput stories are just figment of imagination and nothing but bullshit.

You are absolutely right to point out Kharab Sahib that none has right to play with the findings of other authors or to twist or replace words in a quote. Yes, by quoting other stronger argument and original source, one can criticize the 'wrong source quoted' and then put his interpretation of the facts. This is the fundamental rule of the research in social sciences followed by all.
We thank you for your newer finding about Chinna Jats but it would be better if you could also mention the source cited by you. This would add authenticity to your statement on the issue.

Regards

 

[lrburdak]

Chakora Jat clan
Let us now move to research on other clans.
H.A Rose writes at page-147 that Chakora (चकोरा) is a Jat clan found in Multan.

The information provided by Rose is confirmed from our ancient records also. They have originated from Chakora (चकोरा), who was ancient Chandravanshi Jat King of Mahabharata period in the genealogy of Krishna in 12th generation.

In Bhagvata Purana

'A study of the Bhagavata Purana; or, Esoteric Hinduism' by Purnendu Narayana Sinha, pp 226-227 mentions that.... These (10) ten kings of the Sunga dynasty shall reign for 112 years. Vasudeva, the minister of Devabhuti, shall kill his master and become himself the king.

Vasudeva → Bhumitra → Narayana → Susarman


These four kings shall be called Kanvas. They shall reign for 345 years. Susarman shall be killed by his servant Balin, a King of the Andhra clan, who shall himself usurp the throne. Balin shall be succeeded by his brother Krishna.

Krishna → Srisantakarna → Pournamasa → Lambodara → Chivilaka → Meghasvati → Atamana → Anishta Karman → Haleya → Talaka → Purishabhiru → Sunandana → Chakora → 8 Bahuka or Bahus ending in Sivasvati → Gomati → Purimat → Medasira → Sivaskanda → Yajnasri → → Vijaya → Chandravijna → Salomadhi

 

[lrburdak]

Request to members

Since Jatland Wiki is meant to build history through community editing in which each is supposed to contribute. If you do not agree with other member do not curse him. Put your new facts or go to concerned Wiki page and edit. Simply giving thoughts or imaginations without source will not help. Do not behave as Judge. It is my humble request to members !!!

 

[narenderkharb]

it would be better if you could also mention the source cited by you. This would add authenticity to your statement on the issue.

Regards

Chinna are mentioned repeatedly in Purana and Mahabharat as a group of people living in northwestern areas though you won't find Jat assosiated with group name ...so to that extent I would like to correct myself. I will search and put those references here.

 

[narenderkharb]

Request to members

Since Jatland Wiki is meant to build history through community editing in which each is supposed to contribute. If you do not agree with other member do not curse him. Put your new facts or go to concerned Wiki page and edit. Simply giving thoughts or imaginations without source will not help. Do not behave as Judge. It is my humble request to members !!!

Nice suggestion .

Again if someone contradicts our view with reference or logical reasoning his inputs should be taken as positive feedback not a judgemental criticism in the larger interest of searching our true past.

 

[narenderkharb]

Chinas people finding mention in Ancient times
refernces from Mahabharata







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[TD]Mbh.1.176.9041
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[TD]And from the froth of her mouth came out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas and Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas.
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[TD]Mbh.3.51.2559
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[TD]And even Krishna himself beholding the sons of Pritha dressed in deer skins, became filled with rage, and addressing Yudhishthira, said, That prosperity which the sons of Pritha had acquired at Indraprastha, and which, unobtainable by other kings, was beheld by me at the Rajasuya sacrifice, at which, besides, I saw all kings, even those of the Vangas and Angas and Paundras and Odras and Cholas and Dravidas and Andhakas, and the chiefs of many islands and countries on the sea-board as also of frontier states, including the rulers of the Sinhalas, the barbarous mlecchas, the natives of Lanka, and all the kings of the West by hundreds, and all the chiefs of the sea-coast, and the kings of the Pahlavas and the Daradas and the various tribes of the Kiratas and Yavanas and Sakras and the Harahunas and Chinas and Tukharas and the Sindhavas and the Jagudas and the Ramathas and the Mundas and the inhabitants of the kingdom of women and the Tanganas and the Kekayas and the Malavas and the inhabitants of Kasmira, afraid of the prowess of your weapons, present in obedience to your invitation, performing various offices, that prosperity, O king, so unstable and waiting at present on the foe, I shall restore to thee, depriving thy foe of his very life.
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[TD]Mbh.5.74.3730
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[TD]Janamejaya among the Nepas, Vahula among the Talajanghas, proud Vasu among the Krimis, Ajavindu among the Suviras, Rushardhik among the Surashtras, Arkaja among the Valihas, Dhautamulaka among the Chinas, Hayagriva among the Videhas, Varayu among the Mahaujasas, Vahu among the Sundaras, Pururavas among the Diptakshas, Sahaja among the Chedis and Matsyas, Vrishaddhaja among the Praviras, Dharana among the Chandra-batsyas, Bigahana among the Mukutas and Sama among the Nandivegas.
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[TD]Mbh.6.9.506
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[TD]Among the tribes of the north are the Mlecchas, and the Kruras, O best of the Bharatas; the Yavanas, the Chinas, the Kamvojas, the Darunas, and many Mleccha tribes; the Sukritvahas, the Kulatthas, the Hunas, and the Parasikas; the Ramanas, and the Dasamalikas.
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[TD]Mbh.12.64.3569
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[TD]Mandhatri said, What duties should be performed by the Yavanas, the Kiratas, the Gandharvas, the Chinas, the Savaras, the Barbaras, the Sakas, the Tusharas, the Kankas, the Pathavas, the Andhras, the Madrakas, the Paundras, the Pulindas, the Ramathas, the Kamvojas, the several castes that have sprung Lip from Brahmanas and Kshatriyas, the Vaisyas, and the Sudras, that reside in the
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[narenderkharb]

Chinas in Puranas ,Ramyana and Budhist texts.



RamayanaKiskindhakanda of Valmiki's Ramayana makes reference to Cinas as well as Parama-Cinas and associates them with the trans-Himalayan tribes of the Daradas, Kambojas, the Yavanas, the Sakas, the Kiratas, the Bahlikas, the Rishikas, and the Tañkanas of the Uttarapatha.[SUP][5][/SUP].
The epic literature asserts that the Cinas, Khasas, Hunas, Shakas, Kambojas, Yavanas, Pahlavas, Kiratas, Sinhalas, Mlechchas etc. were created by sage Vashistha through the divine powers of cow Sabala or Nandini (Kamdhenu) [SUP][6][/SUP].
[h=2][edit] Puranas[/h]In the Kalika Purana, the Cinas are again grouped with the Kambojas, Shakas, Khasas and the Barabaras etc. and are said to have sided with Buddhist king Kali in the war against Vedic king Kalika [SUP][7][/SUP].
Bhuvanakosha section of numerous Puranas locates the Cinas along with the Tusharas, Pahlavas, Kambojas, and Barbaras in the Udichya or northern division of ancient India.[SUP][8][/SUP].
According to Vayu Purana and the Matsya Purana, the Cinas and several other tribes would be annihilated by king Kalika or Pramiti at the end of Kali age [SUP][9][/SUP].
In the Matsya Purana, the Chinas are said to be unfit for performing shraddhah.[SUP][10][/SUP].
There is yet another reference to China as Cina-maru as referred to in the Vayu Purana and Brahmanda Purana. However, at the same place, Matsya Purana mentions Vira-maru. China-maru or Vira-maru has been identified with the lands of Turkestan situated above And-khui in the north of Afghanistan (Dr K. P. Jayswal, Dr M. R. Singh).
[h=2][edit] Buddhist literature[/h]The Cinas also find reference in the Buddhist play, Mudrarakshasa, where they are listed with other contemporary tribes, such as the Shakas, Yavanas, Kiratas, Cambojas, Bhalikas, Parasikas, Khasas, Gandharas, Kalutas, etc.
Buddhist text Milindapanho (see: Sacred Books of the East, xxxvi, 204), associates the Chinas with the Sakas, Yavanas, Kambojas and Vilatas(?) etc., and locates them in the western Tibet/Ladakh, according to Dr Michael Witzel [SUP][11][/SUP].
[h=2][edit] Other literature[/h]Chanakya (c. 350-283 BC), the prime minister of the Maurya Empire and a professor at Takshashila University, refers to Chinese silk as "cinamsuka" (Chinese silk dress) and "cinapatta" (Chinese silk bundle) in his Arthashastra.[SUP][12][/SUP]
The Sanmoha Tantra speaks of the Tantric culture of the foreign countries like the Bahlika (Bactria), Kirata, Bhota (Tibet), Cina, Maha-Cina, Parasika, Airaka, Kambojas, Huna, Yavana, Gandhara and Nepala.
Around the 2nd century BC, the Laws of Manu describes the downfall of the Chinas, as well as many foreign groups in India:
<DL><DD>"43. But in consequence of the omission of the sacred rites, and of their not consulting Brahmanas, the following tribes of Kshatriyas have gradually sunk in this world to the condition of Shudras;</DD><DD>44. (Viz.) the Paundrakas, the Chodas, the Dravidas, the Kambojas, the Yavanas, the Shakas, the Paradas, the Pahlavas, the Chinas, the Kiratas, the Daradas and the Khashas." [SUP][13][/SUP]</DD></DL>Besides China and Parama-China, there is also a reference to Mahachina in the Manasollasa which text mentions the fabrics from Mahachina.[SUP][1][/SUP] It is thus possible that China probably referred to western Tibet or Ladakh, Mahachina to Tibet proper, and Parama-China to Mainland China.

 

[lrburdak]

H.A. Rose on Chhina

H.A. Rose [p.168] writes that Chhina (छीना) Jat clan is found in Shahpur and Amritsar. The Chhina are undoubtedly distinct from the Chima Jats of Sialkot and Gujranwala, though the two tribes are frequently confused. That there are Chhina in Sialkot appears from the fact that the town of Jamki in that District was founded by a Chhina Jat who came, from Sindh and retained the title of Jam, the Sindhi equivalent for Chaudhri. Yet if the Chhina spread up the Chenab into Sialkot and the neighbouring Districts in large numbers, it is curious that they should not be found in the intermediate Districts through which they must have passed. The Chhina are also found in Mianwali and in Bahawalpur state. In the latter they are mainly confined to the Minchinabad kārdāri, opposite Pakpattan, and there have three septs, Tareka Mahramka and Azamka, which own land. Other septs are tenants. Their genealogy gives them a common origin with the Wattus : —

Uchchir → Jay-Pal → Chhina

Uchchir → Raj-Pal → Wattu


Pheru, 18th in descent from Chhina was converted to Islam by Bawa Farid-ud-Din of Pakpattan. The Chhinas are courageous and hard-working.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Chinas in Puranas ,Ramyana and Budhist texts.



RamayanaKiskindhakanda of Valmiki's Ramayana makes reference to Cinas as well as Parama-Cinas and associates them with the trans-Himalayan tribes of the Daradas, Kambojas, the Yavanas, the Sakas, the Kiratas, the Bahlikas, the Rishikas, and the Tañkanas of the Uttarapatha.[SUP][5][/SUP].
The epic literature asserts that the Cinas, Khasas, Hunas, Shakas, Kambojas, Yavanas, Pahlavas, Kiratas, Sinhalas, Mlechchas etc. were created by sage Vashistha through the divine powers of cow Sabala or Nandini (Kamdhenu) [SUP][6][/SUP].
[edit] Puranas

In the Kalika Purana, the Cinas are again grouped with the Kambojas, Shakas, Khasas and the Barabaras etc. and are said to have sided with Buddhist king Kali in the war against Vedic king Kalika [SUP][7][/SUP].
Bhuvanakosha section of numerous Puranas locates the Cinas along with the Tusharas, Pahlavas, Kambojas, and Barbaras in the Udichya or northern division of ancient India.[SUP][8][/SUP].
According to Vayu Purana and the Matsya Purana, the Cinas and several other tribes would be annihilated by king Kalika or Pramiti at the end of Kali age [SUP][9][/SUP].
In the Matsya Purana, the Chinas are said to be unfit for performing shraddhah.[SUP][10][/SUP].
There is yet another reference to China as Cina-maru as referred to in the Vayu Purana and Brahmanda Purana. However, at the same place, Matsya Purana mentions Vira-maru. China-maru or Vira-maru has been identified with the lands of Turkestan situated above And-khui in the north of Afghanistan (Dr K. P. Jayswal, Dr M. R. Singh).
[edit] Buddhist literature

The Cinas also find reference in the Buddhist play, Mudrarakshasa, where they are listed with other contemporary tribes, such as the Shakas, Yavanas, Kiratas, Cambojas, Bhalikas, Parasikas, Khasas, Gandharas, Kalutas, etc.
Buddhist text Milindapanho (see: Sacred Books of the East, xxxvi, 204), associates the Chinas with the Sakas, Yavanas, Kambojas and Vilatas(?) etc., and locates them in the western Tibet/Ladakh, according to Dr Michael Witzel [SUP][11][/SUP].
[edit] Other literature

Chanakya (c. 350-283 BC), the prime minister of the Maurya Empire and a professor at Takshashila University, refers to Chinese silk as "cinamsuka" (Chinese silk dress) and "cinapatta" (Chinese silk bundle) in his Arthashastra.[SUP][12][/SUP]
The Sanmoha Tantra speaks of the Tantric culture of the foreign countries like the Bahlika (Bactria), Kirata, Bhota (Tibet), Cina, Maha-Cina, Parasika, Airaka, Kambojas, Huna, Yavana, Gandhara and Nepala.
Around the 2nd century BC, the Laws of Manu describes the downfall of the Chinas, as well as many foreign groups in India:
<dl><dd>"43. But in consequence of the omission of the sacred rites, and of their not consulting Brahmanas, the following tribes of Kshatriyas have gradually sunk in this world to the condition of Shudras;</dd><dd>44. (Viz.) the Paundrakas, the Chodas, the Dravidas, the Kambojas, the Yavanas, the Shakas, the Paradas, the Pahlavas, the Chinas, the Kiratas, the Daradas and the Khashas." [SUP][13][/SUP]</dd></dl>Besides China and Parama-China, there is also a reference to Mahachina in the Manasollasa which text mentions the fabrics from Mahachina.[SUP][1][/SUP] It is thus possible that China probably referred to western Tibet or Ladakh, Mahachina to Tibet proper, and Parama-China to Mainland China.

Excellent collection of historical evidence! But Kharb Sahib footnotes are missing, would you please post them to make the post complete.

Thanks

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Chakora Jat clan
Let us now move to research on other clans.
H.A Rose writes at page-147 that Chakora (चकोरा) is a Jat clan found in Multan.

The information provided by Rose is confirmed from our ancient records also. They have originated from Chakora (चकोरा), who was ancient Chandravanshi Jat King of Mahabharata period in the genealogy of Krishna in 12th generation.

In Bhagvata Purana

'A study of the Bhagavata Purana; or, Esoteric Hinduism' by Purnendu Narayana Sinha, pp 226-227 mentions that.... These (10) ten kings of the Sunga dynasty shall reign for 112 years. Vasudeva, the minister of Devabhuti, shall kill his master and become himself the king.

Vasudeva → Bhumitra → Narayana → Susarman


These four kings shall be called Kanvas. They shall reign for 345 years. Susarman shall be killed by his servant Balin, a King of the Andhra clan, who shall himself usurp the throne. Balin shall be succeeded by his brother Krishna.

Krishna → Srisantakarna → Pournamasa → Lambodara → Chivilaka → Meghasvati → Atamana → Anishta Karman → Haleya → Talaka → Purishabhiru → Sunandana → Chakora → 8 Bahuka or Bahus ending in Sivasvati → Gomati → Purimat → Medasira → Sivaskanda → Yajnasri → → Vijaya → Chandravijna → Salomadhi

The bold lines [by me in the above post] make authenticity of the Bhagwat Purana description suspect as we have not come across such long periods [approximately above 86 years] for each ruler and that too in regular succession of 4 generations anywhere.

 

[lrburdak]

Jat Rajput Marriages
In the ruling families intercaste marriages were very common and it still continues. It is not objectionable also. Maharaja Suraj Mal had many queens of different castes. It used to be political strategy at that time for better control. I quote here Thakur Deshraj who writes about Dalal Vansh :
दलाल राज-वंश - जाट इतिहास:ठाकुर देशराज,पृष्ठ-575:

इस गोत्र का नाम दलाल कैसे पड़ा, इस सम्बन्ध में मि. कुक अपनी ‘टाइव्स एण्ड कास्टस ऑफ दी नार्थ वेस्टर्न प्रॉविन्सेज एण्ड अवध’ नामक पुस्तक में लिखते हैं - देसवाल, दलाल और मान जाट निकट सम्बधित कहे जाते हैं, क्योंकि यह रोहतक के निलौठी गांव के धन्नाराय के वंशज हैं और एक बड़गूजर राजपूत स्त्री के रज से उत्पन्न हैं जिसके दल्ले, देसवाल और मान नाम के तीन लड़के थे। उन्होंने दलाल, देसवाल और मान नाम के तीन गोत्र अपने नाम के कायम किये ।

जाट इतिहास:ठाकुर देशराज,पृष्ठ-577 पर फिर लिखते हैं कि - राव फतहसिंह ने जहां एक बड़ी रियासत छोड़ी, वहां उनके खजाने में भी लाखों रुपया एकत्रित था। राव बहादुरसिंह ने अपने पिता की भांति रियासत को बढ़ाना ही उचित समझा और 6 गांव खरीदकर रियासत में शामिल कर लिये। राव बहादुरसिंहजी ने एक राजपूत बाला से भी शादी की थी। जाट-विदुषी के पेट से उनके यहां लक्ष्मणसिंह और गुलाबसिंह नाम के दो पुत्र और राजपूत-बाला के पेट से बमरावसिंह पैदा हुए थे।

यह उदहारण जाट राजा का राजपूत स्त्री से शादी करने का है परन्तु हरयाणा के जाट गोत्रों में यह पाया जा रहा है कि फलां राजपूत राजा ने फलां गोत्र की जाट स्त्री से शादी की और फलां-फलां गोत्र विकसित हुआ. यह तथ्य शुद्ध रूप से गलत है. कोई भो जाट गोत्र स्त्री की लाईन से शुरू नहीं होता है सभी गोत्र पुरुष की लाईन से ही बनते हैं. कई स्थानों पर ठाकुर देश राज ने इस तरह के वर्णन का खंडन किया है.

 

[nrao]

Have serious doubt on the version of MBh that you have used to put these quotes. This version of MBh also list Huns who are described in it. We know that Huns dates are 5th century and this MBh is mentioning them as well, how laughable.

Chinas people finding mention in Ancient times
refernces from Mahabharata







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[TD]Mbh.1.176.9041
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[TD]And from the froth of her mouth came out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas and Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas.
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[TD]Mbh.3.51.2559
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[TD]And even Krishna himself beholding the sons of Pritha dressed in deer skins, became filled with rage, and addressing Yudhishthira, said, That prosperity which the sons of Pritha had acquired at Indraprastha, and which, unobtainable by other kings, was beheld by me at the Rajasuya sacrifice, at which, besides, I saw all kings, even those of the Vangas and Angas and Paundras and Odras and Cholas and Dravidas and Andhakas, and the chiefs of many islands and countries on the sea-board as also of frontier states, including the rulers of the Sinhalas, the barbarous mlecchas, the natives of Lanka, and all the kings of the West by hundreds, and all the chiefs of the sea-coast, and the kings of the Pahlavas and the Daradas and the various tribes of the Kiratas and Yavanas and Sakras and the Harahunas and Chinas and Tukharas and the Sindhavas and the Jagudas and the Ramathas and the Mundas and the inhabitants of the kingdom of women and the Tanganas and the Kekayas and the Malavas and the inhabitants of Kasmira, afraid of the prowess of your weapons, present in obedience to your invitation, performing various offices, that prosperity, O king, so unstable and waiting at present on the foe, I shall restore to thee, depriving thy foe of his very life.
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[TD]Mbh.5.74.3730
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[TD]Janamejaya among the Nepas, Vahula among the Talajanghas, proud Vasu among the Krimis, Ajavindu among the Suviras, Rushardhik among the Surashtras, Arkaja among the Valihas, Dhautamulaka among the Chinas, Hayagriva among the Videhas, Varayu among the Mahaujasas, Vahu among the Sundaras, Pururavas among the Diptakshas, Sahaja among the Chedis and Matsyas, Vrishaddhaja among the Praviras, Dharana among the Chandra-batsyas, Bigahana among the Mukutas and Sama among the Nandivegas.
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[TD]Mbh.6.9.506
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[TD]Among the tribes of the north are the Mlecchas, and the Kruras, O best of the Bharatas; the Yavanas, the Chinas, the Kamvojas, the Darunas, and many Mleccha tribes; the Sukritvahas, the Kulatthas, the Hunas, and the Parasikas; the Ramanas, and the Dasamalikas.
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[TD]Mbh.12.64.3569
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[TD]Mandhatri said, What duties should be performed by the Yavanas, the Kiratas, the Gandharvas, the Chinas, the Savaras, the Barbaras, the Sakas, the Tusharas, the Kankas, the Pathavas, the Andhras, the Madrakas, the Paundras, the Pulindas, the Ramathas, the Kamvojas, the several castes that have sprung Lip from Brahmanas and Kshatriyas, the Vaisyas, and the Sudras, that reside in the
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[narenderkharb]

Excellent collection of historical evidence! But Kharb Sahib footnotes are missing, would you please post them to make the post complete.

Thanks

Thanks Rajpal ji.
I copied it from Wiki but had to delete references as the post crossed the words limit.I am putting those references in this post.


References

• ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] Geographical Data in Early Puranas, 1972, p172, Dr M. R. Singh
• ^ Wade, Geoff, "The Polity of Yelang and the Origin of the Name 'China'", Sino-Platonic Papers, No. 188, May 2009.
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[narenderkharb]

Have serious doubt on the version of MBh that you have used to put these quotes. This version of MBh also list Huns who are described in it. We know that Huns dates are 5th century and this MBh is mentioning them as well, how laughable.

Such doubts can easily be cleared by comparing these references with a version that you believe genuine.

 

[nrao]

So this would mean MBh happened after Huns time in India. Do you agree with that, clear that doubt.

Such doubts can easily be cleared by comparing these references with a version that you believe genuine.

 

[narenderkharb]

So this would mean MBh happened after Huns time in India. Do you agree with that, clear that doubt.

What it meant can be understood by you if you read these references first.but before that have you cleared your doubt about this version of MBH?

 

[drrajpalsingh]

So this would mean MBh happened after Huns time in India. Do you agree with that, clear that doubt.

Friend,

None could agree to it Sir. The cause of your doubt is valid because references to the presence of the Hunas in the text of Mahabharata epic creates this type of natural questions.

But let us remember that this interpolation cannot diminish the antiquity of the Mahabharata battle or the original epic Mahabharata.

The Epic 'Mahabharata' has a long story of revisions and re-revisions over the centuries. The war of the Bharatas known popularly as the Battle of Mahabharata had happened several centuries earlier when original version of the epic Mahabharata came into existence. The authorship of the original epec is ascribed to Maharishi Ved Vyas. However, over the years several other persons added other stories and fables to it. Therefore there are several newer and contemporaneous things/events have come to be mixed with the original version. Unfortunately, the non availability of one original MSS of the epic has further complicated the issue. But this does not mean that Mahabharata battle happened after the advent of Hunas in India i.e. c.500 AD.

Thanks

 

[lrburdak]

The Bhishma Parva of the Mahabharata, supposed to have been edited around the 4th or 5th century, in one of its verses, mentions the Hunas with the Parasikas and other Mlechha tribes of the northwest including the Yavanas, Chinas, Kambojas, Darunas, Sukritvahas, Kulatthas etc.[ YavanAshcha sa Kamboja Daruna mlechchha jatayah. | Sakahaddruhah Kuntalashcha Hunah Parasikas saha.|| 64 ||] According to Dr V. A. Smith, the verse is reminiscent of the period when the Hunas first came into contact with the Sassanian dynasty of Persia.[Early History of India, p 339, Dr V. A. Smith; See also Early Empire of Central Asia (1939), W. M. McGovern.]