C for Congress, C for Corruption, C for Communalism and C for Crime

CAG has done its job pretty well and that too honestly.

CAG doing its duty properly is proving to be a pain in the A _ _ for the Congress. Congress is using all its force to clip the wings of this constitutional body and make it like the CBI or the EC or the ED which can be used to chain in people like Mayawati and Mulayam.

Shame!!
 
CAG is being a pain true and that is because a lot of rumors surround it, around its roles and evaluations. People do not understand before start taking everything it says as gospel truth.
 
CAG is not a bunch of jokers. It is a constitutional body comprising of top-notch professionals knowing better accounting, finance, economics than you and me and the jokers of the Congress who spread rumours and propaganda against people who cause pain in its A _ S.
 
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Correct we should not criticize CBI right now as they filed a FIR against Diggi Raja.

We will criticize them, when Diggi Raja will be given Clean Chit before the investigation and first hearing.

Here, a reason to cheer but please do not criticize CBI to be working for govt after cheering this news or citing it in examples:

CBI registers case in Indore Mall irregularities, Digvijaya Singh named

New Delhi: Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh has been named in a First Information Report (FIR) by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which is investigating his role in allegedly bending rules to allow a mall to come up in a residential area in Indore.

The Indore bench of the Madhya Pradesh High Court had last month ordered the CBI to handle the investigation. The allegations against Mr Singh date back to 2002, when he was the chief minister of the state.

In 2008, petitioner Mahesh Garg complained to the state's Economic Offences Wing (EOW) that the Treasure Island mall was a giant rule-breaker. He said that while the guidelines allowed a part of the land to be used for commercial use, on Mr Singh's directive, the entire plot of 2.5 lakh square feet had been cleared for a shopping mall.
 
ha ha ha ha... FIR file karne ki pairvi to aise ho ruhi thi jaise ki ye bhai FIR file karwane gaya ho or CBI walo ne chai pila ke FIR file ki ho or fir initiative karyavahi karne pe is "jagrook indian citizen" ko thank you bola ho...

High Court ke order me majbori mai, FIR file karni pad gai... or uspe action kya hona tha/hai or kitna hona tha/hoga... ye to sab ko pata hai...

par kuch log to diggi raja ke "naak mai ungli" daalne ko bhi magnify kar ke "choote... (oops... chote to raul baba hain...) bade nawab ka bahaduri kartab" bana dete hain...

 
Before concluding something so quickly and learning lessons from a story half written... it is better to understand the complete story... may be knowing little bit more about the issue will change the lessons also...
The recently concluded sale of 1,800-MHz spectrum through
auction to telecom service operators, or telcos, has been declared a damp squib
for two reasons: One, only five telcos participated in the auction; and two, the
bids added up to Rs 9,407 crore (Rs 94.07 billion), which was less than a third
of the Rs 30,000 crore (Rs 300 billion) the government had thought it would
collect.
The numbers look even more appalling when analysed in some detail. The
government has been able to sell less than 20 per cent of the Rs 48,000 crore of
spectrum (GSM and CDMA combined) it had put up for bids.
The CDMA auction failed totally because there were no takers. Even if you ignore that
failure, the numbers don't look attractive: In the 1,800-MHz band, the
government has been able to get only 27 per cent of the base price.
Telcos blame the government for misreading the market and keeping the base price too
high for anyone to be interested.
Yet, scratch the surface and the story begins to look different. If the
overall revenues that the government has been able to garner were poor and
interest in the auction from operators looked lacklustre, it was because of just
three telecom circles where there were no bidders – Delhi, Mumbai and Karnataka – of the 22 the country is divided into.
(Rajasthan didn't see any bidding, too, but that could be a different story.) That happened because the
base prices of these circles were unusually high. The reason for that is simple:
The base price for the current round of auction was benchmarked on the prices
discovered during the auction of spectrum for third-generation, or 3G, services
in 2010.
Competition for these circles in that auction was stiff because telcos rightly
assumed that data traffic would be heavy here.
That is why the base price became very high in these three hot circles in the latest auction.
The three circles together constituted as much as 48 per cent of the total base
price of Rs 14,000 crore (Rs 140 billion) for pan-Indian spectrum of 5 MHz.
Since these circles went unbid, the entire auction looked like a disaster.
If these three circles are kept aside, the total earnings of the
government do not look so bad: The collections are 67.9 per cent of the total
base price - not really a failure.

So far as fewer bidders are concerned, especially when compared to 2008, when there
was a literal stampede for spectrum, it is worth noting that this time around,
five telcos were in the fray, even though the spectrum was almost ten times more
expensive than in 2008.
And that it hasn't got the government what it had hoped for doesn't mean the initiative has flopped.
"There is no requirement anywhere that all the spectrum available needs to be sold at
whatever price. Spectrum is valuable and it can be auctioned again with the same
base price and operators must get used to paying a premium, " says a former
office-bearer of the Telecom Regulatory Authority of India.
Telcos, battling low tariffs (phone calls in India are among the cheapest in the
world), shrinking profits and massive debts, have naturally argued that the base
price in these three circles was out of sync with the demand or the situation on
the ground.
Rajan Mathews, the director-general of the Cellular Operators' Association of India, or COAI, the lobby group, says: "There is a
need to recalibrate the price in these circles which was kept so high compared
to their revenue potential that no one saw any value in even bidding for those."
Operators argue, for instance, that the base price for Tamil Nadu was kept at Rs
306.09 crore, while it accounts for 8.75 per cent share of the overall telecom
revenue.
Operators have bid smartly in the auction: They have gone for many circles that have
been reasonably priced and account for a healthy share of the country's telecom
revenue. One case is that of Vodafone, which has picked up additional spectrum
in as many as 14 circles.
A senior executive of the company says: "We have bid and won additional spectrum in circles where the base price has been
reasonable and where the market is growing, for which we would require more
spectrum".
So, while Vodafone has won spectrum in circles which
constitute 44.67 per cent of the total telecom revenue, the value of these
circles is only 22.85 per cent of the total base price (for pan-Indian
spectrum). This makes these circles an attractive target.
Interestingly, the top-five circles in terms of the number of blocks sold (seven to
11) - Bihar, UP (west), UP (east), Gujarat and West Bengal - are also attractive
in terms of the price- value equation.
While together they contribute over 24 per cent of the total telecom revenue, their share of the base price is
nearly half, at 13.6 per cent.
Telenor has cleverly decided not to bid for the expensive Mumbai circle,
apart from Kolkata and West Bengal, even though it currently has subscribers in
these circles.
That is because if it had done so, it would have had to
pay a staggering 51.96 per cent of the total base price to get into circles
which have 50.06 per cent of the overall telecom revenue.
That would have been unwise. What Telenor has done instead is to bid for circles
which constitute 37.17 per cent of the telecom revenue, but whose share in the
total base price is 28.5 per cent.
Idea Cellular just stuck to the circles which it had lost due to the Supreme Court order cancelling all licences
handed out in 2008 (under the first-come, first-served policy) when Andimuthu
Raja was the telecom minister.
Videocon was cashing in on the fact that its outgo in the auction would be neutralised by the Rs 1,658 crore that will
get adjusted under the auction policy. The government has agreed to adjust the
money that the operators paid for the cancelled licences.

Finally the doomed 2G auctions happened and it taught all of us a few lessons:

1) Nobody is culprit until proven

2) Understand the valuation business before blaming(I can get other valuations to show even a bigger loss or smaller loss, comparables are on us to choose from)

3) Revenue earning is not the primary and main goal of government but it is CAGs job to see maximum rev. opportunities

4) CAG has no duty to comment government policies, govt works for citizens, CAG audits finances


I hope we all will take our due lessons in further debates
 
I read it somewhere so thought of sharing
आज आजादी को 60 से ज्यादा हो गया है लेकिन गरीबी उतनी ही है. गरीबी रेखा को कम करके मोंटेक सिंह आकड़ो का खेल खेल लेते है लेकिन गरीबो की पीड़ा कम नहीं कर सकते है . इसमें शक नहीं कि देश में गरीबी है और विदेशी दासता से स्वतंत्र होने के 65 वर्ष बाद
भी है। 1971 में भी स्थिति कोई भिन्न नहीं थी, हालांकि तब आजादी को 25 साल भी नहीं हुए थे। ऐसे में कोई भी व्यक्ति या पार्टी जनता को गरीबी हटाने का सपना दिखाकर मूर्ख बना सकती थी। 1971 के चुनावों में इन्दिरा गाँधी ने ठीक यही किया। हमारे भारत मह...ान् की जनता महाभोली अर्थात् महामूर्ख है ही। उसको बहकाकर अपना उल्लू सीधा करने में इन्दिरा गाँधी को बिल्कुल देर नहीं लगी।

यह बात नहीं है कि इन्दिरा गाँधी देश के लिए नयी थीं। वास्तव में वे 1966 में लाल बहादुर शास्त्री जी की ताशकन्द में रहस्यमय मृत्यु के बाद से ही प्रधानमंत्री की कुर्सी पर विराजमान थीं और इन पाँच वर्षों में उन्होंने गरीबी हटाने के लिए कुछ किया हो इसका दावा बड़े से बड़ा कांग्रेस-भक्त भी नहीं कर सकता। लेकिन इसके लिए उनके पास तैयारशुदा बहाना था- ‘सिंडीकेट ने मुझे कुछ नहीं करने दिया।’ कांग्रेस के पुराने घाघ नेताओं के समूह को उन्होंने ‘सिंडीकेट’ नाम दिया था और अपनी तथा अपने पिता की समस्त नाकामियों का ठीकरा उसी के सिर फोड़ दिया था।

धोखा देना और झूठ बोलना इन्दिरा गाँधी के स्वाभाविक गुण थे। जवाहरलाल नेहरू की पुत्री होने के नाते ये गुण उन्हें प्रधानमंत्री की कुर्सी के साथ ही विरासत में मिले थे। इनका पहला परिचय वे 1969 में राष्ट्रपति के चुनाव में दे चुकी थीं। उन्होंने अन्तरात्मा की आवाज पर मतदान करने की अपील करके पार्टी के अधिकृत उम्मीदवार संजीव रेड्डी को पराजित करा दिया था और वी.वी. गिरि को राष्ट्रपति बनवा दिया था। इससे पहले वे मोरारजी देसाई को प्रधानमंत्री बनने से रोकने के लिए भी पार्टी में जोड़-तोड़ कर चुकी थीं। अन्त में उन्होंने पार्टी को तोड़ भी दिया और पार्टी के अपने धड़े की सर्वेसर्वा बन गयीं।

जनता को मूर्ख बनाने के लिए उन्होंने नारा दिया- ‘इन्दिरा गाँधी आई है, नई रोशनी लाई है।’ वे ‘नेहरू’ तथा ‘गाँधी’ दोनों नामों का फायदा उठाने के लिए अपना नाम भी ‘इन्दिरा नेहरू गाँधी’ बताया करती थीं। देश की भोली जनता ने सहज ही मान लिया कि वास्तव में इन्दिरा गाँधी उसकी एकमात्र आशा है और अब उसके दिन फिरने ही वाले हैं। इसका परिणाम यह हुआ कि 1971 के संसदीय चुनावों में इन्दिरा गाँधी की पार्टी को दो तिहाई से अधिक बहुमत मिल गया। पुरानी कांग्रेस और विपक्ष के बड़े-बड़े धुरंधर नेता इन्दिरा की आँधी में उड़ गये। इन्दिरा गाँधी ठाठ से राज करने लगीं।



तभी पूर्वी पाकिस्तान में जनविद्रोह प्रारम्भ हो गया। करोड़ों शरणार्थी बंगलादेश से भारत में घुस आये। उनकी व्यवस्था के लिए शरणार्थी सहायता के नाम पर देश की गरीब जनता ने अपना पेट काटकर धन दिया। एक सीमित युद्ध के बाद भारत की सेना के सामने पाकिस्तानी सेना को हथियार डालने पड़े। फिर पाकिस्तान टूटा और बंगलादेश बना। इस जीत के बाद इन्दिरा गाँधी आसमान में उड़ने लगीं। 1972 के विधानसभा चुनावों में भी उनकी पार्टी को भारी जीत मिली।



लेकिन जनता तो अपनी गरीबी हटने की आशा कर रही थी। जब बंगलादेश की जीत का खुमार उतर गया, तो इन्दिरा गाँधी की पोल खुल गयी। जनता समझ गयी कि इनके पास देश की गरीबी हटाने का कोई कार्यक्रम नहीं है। हाँ, इन्दिरा जी अपनी गरीबी हटाने की योजना जरूर बना रही थीं। नागरवाला कांड के सामने आने से स्पष्ट हो गया कि वे बंगलादेश की समस्या के नाम पर अपनी तिजोरी में कालाधन इकट्ठा कर रही हैं।



वास्तव में जनता यह समझने में असमर्थ रही कि अर्धशिक्षित इन्दिरा के पास न तो उतनी योग्यता है और न इच्छाशक्ति ही कि वे देश की अर्थव्यवस्था को मजबूत करने के लिए और गरीबी हटाने के लिए कोई सार्थक योजना बना सकतीं। केवल भावुकताभरे भाषण देकर तथा चिकनी-चुपड़ी बातें करके जनता को भरमाने में उन्हें महारत हासिल थी। उल्लेखनीय है कि इन्टर की शिक्षा इन्दिरा गाँधी शान्तिनिकेतन में प्राप्त कर रही थीं। वहाँ से आपत्तिजनक आचरण और अनुशासनहीनता के कारण स्वयं गुरुदेव रवीन्द्रनाथ टैगोर ने उनको विद्यालय से निकाल दिया था, इसके बावजूद कि उनके पिता जवाहरलाल नेहरू प्रधानमंत्री थे। इसके बाद इन्दिरा को किसी विद्यालय में प्रवेश नहीं मिला और उनकी शिक्षा वहीं की वहीं समाप्त हो गयी।

गरीबी हटाने के नाम पर इतना बड़ा धोखा खाकर जनता का असन्तोष फूटना ही था, वह फूटा। उसी समय उन्हें जय प्रकाश नारायण जैसे समर्पित नेता का नेतृत्व भी मिल गया, जिससे जनता के असन्तोष को वाणी और दिशा भी मिली। उन्हीं दिनों हुए कई राज्यों के चुनावों और उप-चुनावों में कांग्रेस को बुरी तरह हारना पड़ा। इससे यह स्पष्ट हो गया कि अगले चुनावों में इन्दिरा कांग्रेस की नैया पार लगना कठिन ही नहीं लगभग असम्भव है। लेकिन इसके बाद घटनाओं ने तेजी से नाटकीय मोड़ लिया और इन्दिरा गाँधी ने देश को आपात्काल के गहरे अन्धकार में धकेल दिया।

आज आजादी को 60 से ज्यादा हो गया है लेकिन गरीबी उतनी ही है. गरीबी रेखा को कम करके मोंटेक सिंह आकड़ो का खेल खेल लेते है लेकिन गरीबो की पीड़ा कम नहीं कर सकते है
 
I am not sure how many people understand the process of valuation, they can change as per whims and fancies of evaluator.

That is a juvenile statement. CAG report is not a one-page-objective-order; it is actually a comprehensive compilation of hard facts and figures. If one care to read it, there is a detailed explanation of how the evaluator calculate the apparent lost revenue. While a layman might not understand the economics and business model invoked in these calculations but then the same layman has every reason to doubt the figure ZERO too (popularized by Honorable Kapil Sibbal); at least CAG cared/compelled enough to justify his methodology by providing the examples of similar auctions in other countries with much smaller markets!!

Not to mention CAG is a constitutional body- divorced from the political compulsions, fear or favor. Doubting CAG's integrity (as some congress leaders have done staring that CAG has political ambitions- to join BJP- once he retires) is a slippery road to no end.. tomorrow it could be the Apex court and whole system collapses.

Besides, CAGs aim is to look at maximum revenue for govt but govt doesnt work for maximum revenue but public benefit.

I sincerely doubt that (if the word 'public' does NOT mean a tiny group of individual/industries with close link to the govt/politicians).
 

Subramanian Swamy on 2G Auction: Most Telecom companies are angry that UPA leaders have not paid back the bribes they took in 2G scam for licences.

:applause:
 
Going beyond the scam and just discussing on the topic here:

That is a juvenile statement. CAG report is not a one-page-objective-order; it is actually a comprehensive compilation of hard facts and figures. If one care to read it, there is a detailed explanation of how the evaluator calculate the apparent lost revenue. While a layman might not understand the economics and business model invoked in these calculations but then the same layman has every reason to doubt the figure ZERO too (popularized by Honorable Kapil Sibbal); at least CAG cared/compelled enough to justify his methodology by providing the examples of similar auctions in other countries with much smaller markets!!

Often taught while evaluation, every evaluation takes several assumptions into consideration before reaching out to a valued amount. Those assumptions are debatable and even a slight percentage change can reflect a huge difference in valuations of a company/project/sale. Hence, to say CAGs calculations were apt is a mere assumptions, i am sure another evaluator can debate their findings with different comparable and get the value lower, or higher. However, no denying it is a strong indicator of a lapse.


I sincerely doubt that (if the word 'public' does NOT mean a tiny group of individual/industries with close link to the govt/politicians).

That is the prerogative of a government, endorsed by the Supreme court. CAG has no constitutional right to dictate policies.


Getting into the politics of it, in 2G, government did not work for a handful of industries like Pramod Mahajan did while writing unified license policies at Narimal Point.
 
Sunil Bhai

One has to understand that there is difference between opinions and facts. People who desn't want to listen or hear from other they present there opinions as facts. This has been going in almost all the threads but you can keep trying to convince with actual facts:)
 
Sunil Bhai

One has to understand that there is difference between opinions and facts. People who desn't want to listen or hear from other they present there opinions as facts. This has been going in almost all the threads but you can keep trying to convince with actual facts:)

This is no fact, only interpretation. I hope you know an editorial is not the gospel truth but a piece written with opinion of either the editor or guest and not even newspaper takes responsibility of it?

Rinku, it saddens me to see your replies which are often out of emotions and with out even understanding the question or fully reading the reply. Here, please be patient and read before replying:

1) Never did I say there was no wrong doing on 2G licencing, the fact Raja is still being tried is a testimony that there was corruption but was it as big is as176K Lakh is questionable as it is mere accounting practice and me or any other evaluator can change the figurers as per the whims and fancy or assumptions(Please read about evaluations).

2) It is not the prerogative of CAG to dictate policies, CAGs role is to audit and show potential revenue loss/gain while it is in the interest of govt to work for policies at large, do deals that effect people and if it requires, give away govt assets for free. You were quoting court the other day, do read Supreme Court's judgement where it said CAG can not tell govt how to form policies.


Now let me give you another analogy, I have read several cases in the last one year where govt in other countries, specially Africa gave away free or subsidized phone coupons, internet to subscribers because it has been proven time and again that use of technology and connectivity is directly related to the GDP growth of the country. Hence, when govt says that the intention behind keeping the prices fixed for 2G was to keep costs low, I do not find anything wrong with it. Had price of licence been to high then the fact of India being the fastest growing telecom market might have come into question as phones would have been beyond the reach of people.

This is my first detailed reply on the topic to you and I anticipate a rational agreement or a substantiated disagreement, just like we have had in Chaupal.
 
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jab itni daaktri ho li to ek najar isme bhi mar leni chaiye :

http://www.firstpost.com/business/i...ally-said-526325.html?utm_source=MC_TOP_WIDGE

Few excerpts :

Clearly, what the CAG was trying to do was “hint” at an estimate of what could have been lost by failing to resort to a market-driven price discovery process. It was not trying to highlight Rs 1.76 lakh crore as an unimpeachable figure of real losses, as Messrs Manish Tewari and Kapil Sibal have set out to prove. The obsession with Rs 1.76 lakh crore began with the media and opposition politicians – and that happened due to the fact that it was the highest estimate of presumptive loss.

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It is they who must rethink their zero-loss theory. Or, maybe, they should read the CAG report again.




PS :
1. Yu article sab khatir padhan tayi hai.. kade koi individual apne upar le ja!!
2. FIR aale maamle me koi tafteesh hui ak nahi aage??
 
Here are the videos of the conference on Electronic Voting Machine involving participants from all over the country and two participant from Holland & USA respectively held in Chennai in 2010. Dr. Swamy mentioned that he invited CEC for the conference but he wrote a letter stating that he was sick, hence couldn't attend. It's a bit long conference but worth to watch.

Part1: http://vimeo.com/12679586
Part2: http://vimeo.com/12864568#

Many eminent citizens of the country, led by Dr. Swamy whose PIL is pending in the supreme court, are turning heat on Election commission for replacement of present electronic voting machine.
 
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