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Modi has rightly exposed Congress' gameplan of putting Sir Creek (which rightfully belongs to India) on the table with Pakistan.

There are various initiatives being initiated and/or supported by this spineless Congress which reward Pakistan for its role in fomenting terrorism.

The need of the hour is a tough talking, no-nonsense Iron man who will take the Pakistanis to task and of course the SICKULARISTS as well who are helping the 3C Congress in its evil gameplan.
 
And your 10-12 NRIs represent a very specific group of Gujjus. Is that a sample size big enough to analyze Modi's performance? What should one believe? 10-12 people, or statewide economic and social data?
I don't live in Gujarat sir. Given the number of Gujjus living in Australia and whom I know, I think my sample size is quite large enough for me to reach a conclusion. Mind you, these 10-12 people don't come from the same family. These are in fact all different families coming from Surat, Mehsana, Rajkot, Ahmedabad etc.
 
I don't live in Gujarat sir. Given the number of Gujjus living in Australia and whom I know, I think my sample size is quite large enough for me to reach a conclusion. Mind you, these 10-12 people don't come from the same family. These are in fact all different families coming from Surat, Mehsana, Rajkot, Ahmedabad etc.

You are falling for something called sampling bias in statistics. I know you live Down under and so do your Guju acquaintances. But dont they all belong to a specific group of middle to high income Gujjus who had the means and resources to get to Australia? Isn't that a comparatively well off group than the average Gujarati? Do your friends and their families represent even 1% of Gujarat?

One simply cant reach a conclusion by simply talking to 10-12 people. Especially on economic matters. If that was the case, statistics would be irrelevant. One must take the whole state into account by applying the same set of statistical parameters to everyone in the state.
 
You are falling for something called sampling bias in statistics. I know you live Down under and so do your Guju acquaintances. But dont they all belong to a specific group of middle to high income Gujjus who had the means and resources to get to Australia? Isn't that a comparatively well off group than the average Gujarati? Do your friends and their families represent even 1% of Gujarat?

One simply cant reach a conclusion by simply talking to 10-12 people. Especially on economic matters. If that was the case, statistics would be irrelevant. One must take the whole state into account by applying the same set of statistical parameters to everyone in the state.
Say whatever you may 'the learned man'. The poll results will fail your "statistics" big time both in Gujarat and Haryana.
भाई न मैं पत्रकार आर न मैं कोए पार्टी कार्यकर्त्ता अक खोज बीन करण गुजरात जाऊँगा . जो बात 2-4 मानसा ने बतायी थी व तेरे आगे लिख दी। तेरे न हजम होती तो न सही । उन ने झूठ कही तो झूठ सही आर सच होंगी तो चुनाव का नतीजा बता देगा
 
One simply cant reach a conclusion by simply talking to 10-12 people. Especially on economic matters. If that was the case, statistics would be irrelevant. One must take the whole state into account by applying the same set of statistical parameters to everyone in the state.

Then all the data you are talking about poverty, growth etc are also wrong.
Ground reality is that deciding who should be termed as BPL highly depends on Sarpanch of that particular village. And there is no way to verify that whatever data he sends is always correct. There is huge politics in that also. Every survey related to poverty, growth etc includes "assumptions" (as cited in previous line). Sampling lies deep within the surveys. Even in Polio vaccine drives, the volunteers just ask the householders if a child is there or not. If the owner said No, and child is present, the data that govt then uses to declare 100% vaccination goes wrong.

Intent of Pannu's reply was that his Gujju friends are nowhere getting a direct benefit from Modi, but still they appreciate his work. That concludes something is ok with Modi, hence people are saying some good things about this person. If before 2002 Gujarat was already developed (as you and desi are of view), Modi made that development "visible". People saw the difference between 2002 and 2007 and hence re-elected him.

And going abroad doesn't mean that you are well off.. I have friends who went to Ireland and Canada after taking huge debts from relatives.
 
aise kaise bhai... ab thread mai kooda hai to jawab to dena hi padega... pehle to ye bata ki jitne logo se baat hui unke passport check kare ye confirm karne ke liye ki vo gujju hi the??? fir bata ki unme se muslim kitne the??? or agar vo sare hindu (ya kisi or religion ke, except muslims, kyon ki indian muslims to by default secular hi hote hain) the to ye kaise confirm kiya ki vo communal nahi the??? jab vo modi ki tareef kar ruhe the tab unko is thread pe diye gaye stats dikhaye??? or agar nahi dikhaye to kyon nahi dikhaye???

modi ko pehle to unke saamne communal hone pe lapetna tha...
communal hone se clean chit milne ke baad... kisi terrorist ke fake encounter ka issue bana ke lapetna ta...
is issue se bachne pe... uske kisi statement ka issue bana ke lapetna tha...
us statement ke sahi hone ke baad... is baat pe lapetna tha ki, usne koi development nahi karai...
or agar ye bhi prove ho jata ki development hui hai to... ye bol ke lapetna tha ki development to hui hai but koi extraordinary nahi hui hai...
or agar extraordinary development bhi prove ho jati to... ye bol ke lapetna tha ki gareeb to abhi bhi hai gujarat mai to development kahan se hui???

or agar aise sare issues khatam ho jate to ye bol ke lapetna tha ki... mai to clean shave rehta hu or vo halki daadhi rukhta hai, mai kyon vote du usko??? or tum log bhi mat dena...

nahi bhai pannu, ye kaam theek nahi kiya... modi ko lapetne ka mauka kaise chood diya???

Say whatever you may 'the learned man'. The poll results will fail your "statistics" big time both in Gujarat and Haryana.
भाई न मैं पत्रकार आर न मैं कोए पार्टी कार्यकर्त्ता अक खोज बीन करण गुजरात जाऊँगा . जो बात 2-4 मानसा ने बतायी थी व तेरे आगे लिख दी। तेरे न हजम होती तो न सही । उन ने झूठ कही तो झूठ सही आर सच होंगी तो चुनाव का नतीजा बता देगा
 
Nowhere does this stat-less sarcasm and personally authenticated, biased 'feel-good' factor stands next to statistics.

The point raised is that people believe Gujarat is the most developing state(like Gujjus mentioned by Pannu) but is it the reality? Stats shown by me and Swaich speak otherwise and none of you who are debating have been able to produce counterfacts based on numbers.

Irony, most of you stay in or belong to Haryana which is doing much much better than Gujarat but in stead of appreciating the fact that the state is growing better than 'acclaimed best state' in India people are supporting a state standing on false claims because it suits the political ideology they support.

Modifying what JFK said Let us not seek the BJP answer or the Congress answer but the right answer


Statistics don't lie, but politicians often do
 
Ye baat to mai bhi manta hu... isi liye to Supreme Court... PM Manmohan Singh se statement lene ke baad affidavit bhi maang leta hai...

par is post mai ek baat ulti bol di... hum modi ke acche kamo ko isliye support nahi karte kyon ki "it suits our political ideology"... balki iska ulta hai... usne acche kaam kiye hain isliye hum politically Modi ki taraf incliened hain or usko support karte hain...

Statistics don't lie, but politicians often do
 
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  1. One and only state in India where each remote village gets 24 hours electricity supply under Jyotirgram plan where more than 18000 villages are covered
  2. Gujarat has become Automobile hub in Asia
  3. Total Employment
  4. 10 years ago, $50K Crore World Bank loan, & today $100K Crore deposit in World Bank
  5. Soft target for riots but not a single attempt was successful in last 10 years
  6. All highways in Gujarat are world class, see and experience it yourself
  7. Magic 108 number, from anywhere in Gujarat, dial 108 and get Fire, Ambulance and Police service within 15 minutes
  8. Major countries like US, China are praising development efforts in Gujarat
  9. School dropout rate below 4%, compared to 20% in 2000-2001
  10. 10 million telephone connections compared to 2.5 million in 2000-2001
  11. State with e-Governance in 141 municipalities
  12. Gujarat has 5% of India’s populationand 6% of geographic area, but it’s contribution towards India’s “Value of Output” is 16.10%, towards exports is 16%, and towards stock market capitalization is 30%
  13. Gujarat accounts for 54% of India’s onshore crude oil production, 50% of India’s natural gas production, 46% of India’s installed refining capacity, 60% of India’s total crude oil import facility.
  14. SEZ Capital of India
  15. Gujarat Tourism campaign more successful than Incredible India as per Amitabh Bachchan
 
According to the August 8 report of the National Council of Applied Economic Research, the richest city in India is now Surat , ahead of Bangalore and Madras , with an average annual household income of Rs 0.45 million (over $11,000 per year).80 per cent of all diamonds sold anywhere in the world are polished in Surat 's 10,000 diamond units.
The only non-Jews in the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem diamond bourse (stock exchange) are GUJARATI (Not Gujjus..)
Between 2004-5 and 2007-8 Surat 's middle class doubled in size and its poor reduced by a third.The fifth richest city in India is now Ahmadabad , ahead of Bombay and Delhi , and miles ahead of Calcutta .
The percentage of man-days lost in Gujarat due to labor unrest is 0.42 per cent, the lowest in India .
Of Gujarat 's 18,048 villages, 17,940 have electricity. Under Chief Minister Modi, the face of industrial Gujarat is changing.
The world 's largest oil refinery is in Jamnagar . Owned by Reliance, it was already refineing 660,000 barrels of oil a day in 2009 and production was doubled since 2010.
Thirty per cent of India 's cotton is grown in Gujarat, 40 per cent of India 's art-silk is manufactured in Surat , employing 0.7 million people.
The world 's third largest denim manufacturer is Ahmedabad 's Arvind Mills.rnA KPMG report says 40 per cent of India 's pharmacy industry is based in Gujarat with companies like Torrent,Zydus Cadila, Alembic, Dishman and Sun Pharma.
The state of Gujarat 's GDP has been growing at 12 per cent a year for the last 12 years, as fast as China 's.
India 's wealthiest man, Mukesh Ambani of Reliance, is Gujarati.
Forbes says he is the world 's fifth richest man, worth $43 billion.
Azim Premji of Wipro, is Gujarati. He is the world 's 21st richest man, worth $17 billion.
Ten of the 25 richest Indians are Gujarati. Some of the best business communities in India -- Parsis, Jains,Memons, Banias, Khojas and Bohras -- speak Gujarati.
The two great leaders of the subcontinent, the Mahatma and the Quaid, were both Gujaratis from trading communities. One a Bania, the other a Khoja.
Gujaratis number 55 million, five per cent of India 's population living on six per cent of surface area, but hold 30 percent of all Indian stock.
Gujaratis account for 16 per cent of all Indian exports and 17 per cent of GDP.
 
Statistics don't lie, but politicians often do

Even stats can mislead. They too are based on assumptions and never give real picture. And since you brought Haryana in picture, let me tell you that ground reality is entirely different. I can assure you that number of unemployed youth (%) is very high. Land acquisitions have played a big role in creating this unemployment. Rohtak se nikalte hi gaon hai "Bohar". IMT wgarah ke liye jameen li hai sarkar ne is gaon ki (khedi-saadh ki bhi li h). Agar gaon me 1000 ghar hai, to unme se 800 ke pas "pistol" hai aaj. Sab is land acquisition ki vjah se. Paisa mil gya acha sara, aur jawan balak nikkame ban gaye..14-14 saal ke balak bigad rhe se jma. apni anti me revalvr taange haande se kade koi aate-jaate ne bhtka na de. And let me tell you one real fact. IMT me Asian Paints hai...par usme local aadmi kaam nahi karta. Sir me maare isi development ne??
 
I am happy to see a start of logical debate, wish this started much earlier.

Could you please also share the source for authentication?

P.S. I remember a thread where in an actress who promoted congress was called a paid ****, why trust ABs words now?

  1. One and only state in India where each remote village gets 24 hours electricity supply under Jyotirgram plan where more than 18000 villages are covered
  2. Gujarat has become Automobile hub in Asia
  3. Total Employment
  4. 10 years ago, $50K Crore World Bank loan, & today $100K Crore deposit in World Bank
  5. Soft target for riots but not a single attempt was successful in last 10 years
  6. All highways in Gujarat are world class, see and experience it yourself
  7. Magic 108 number, from anywhere in Gujarat, dial 108 and get Fire, Ambulance and Police service within 15 minutes
  8. Major countries like US, China are praising development efforts in Gujarat
  9. School dropout rate below 4%, compared to 20% in 2000-2001
  10. 10 million telephone connections compared to 2.5 million in 2000-2001
  11. State with e-Governance in 141 municipalities
  12. Gujarat has 5% of India’s populationand 6% of geographic area, but it’s contribution towards India’s “Value of Output” is 16.10%, towards exports is 16%, and towards stock market capitalization is 30%
  13. Gujarat accounts for 54% of India’s onshore crude oil production, 50% of India’s natural gas production, 46% of India’s installed refining capacity, 60% of India’s total crude oil import facility.
  14. SEZ Capital of India
  15. Gujarat Tourism campaign more successful than Incredible India as per Amitabh Bachchan
 
According to the August 8 report of the National Council of Applied Economic Research, the richest city in India is now Surat , ahead of Bangalore and Madras

At first my pity- A google group copy paste is not authenticated brother.

Debatable, here look at this, no Gujarat city: http://www.mapsofindia.com/top-ten-cities-of-india/top-ten-wealthiest-towns-india.html
Same story here: http://www.prlog.org/11316228-top-10-richest-cities-of-india.html
Here: http://trak.in/tags/business/2009/08/19/top-10-wealthiest-cities-india/

Last list is during the same timeframe as per your claim.

The only non-Jews in the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem diamond bourse (stock exchange) are GUJARATI (Not Gujjus..)
Between 2004-5 and 2007-8 Surat 's middle cla....... 17 per cent of GDP.

This is more of a Gujarat Praise than Modi praise, Ambani and Premji are Gujrati, so? Every state have their heroes.


Again, please put up information from legitimate sources and do not just copy paste from a Google group and keep it relevant to the topic. No where did I read words like 'Policies', 'Modi' or 'Govt' in this entire copy paste of yours.
 
tanne khush dekh ke mai bhi bahot khush hu...

bahot sare source hain... kyon ki facts alag-alag field se belong karte hain... par ye dono likh poore padh le... aisi or bhi bahot sari cheez miljayegi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Gujarat

ab ye mat bolna ki wikipedia authenticated source nahi hai... ek post mai "National Council of Applied Economic Research" ka bhi reference de diya tha... gujarat govt ki websites pe tu trust nahi karega... to in sources ki credibility tabhi mani jayegi jab tu inko approve kar dega...

PS : Regarding AB's statement : Amitabh Bachchan is currently the brand ambassador of Gujarat Tourism. ‘Khushboo Gujarat Ki' campaign by megastar Amitabh Bachchan has grown tourism in Gujarat by 14 per cent, twice that of national growth rate.

to mera kehna hai ki AB ki baat mat maan par TAAI (Travel Agents Association of India) ki baat to maan lega!!!! Doosri baat, us gujarat actress ka AB ke saath compare karna hi galat hai... (reason choota artist ya bada artist nahi hai) reason hai ki vo gujarati actress congress ki election stratagy ka part hai or AB Gujarat State Tourism (Not BJP or Modi) ka Ambassador hai... i hope ye simple si baat teri samajh mai aa jayegi...


I am happy to see a start of logical debate, wish this started much earlier.

Could you please also share the source for authentication?

P.S. I remember a thread where in an actress who promoted congress was called a paid ****, why trust ABs words now?
 
न्यूयॉर्क टाइम्स लिखता है कि गुजरात कांग्रेस में बदहवासी की हालत है और चुनाव पूर्व ही उनके कार्यकर्ता पार्टी को छोड़ने लगे हैं. Most Congress Party supporters are fast losing hope of a victory in the state, and some believe that a defensive and negative campaign is to blame' आशा से १० प्रतिशत अधिक वोटिंग पर अपने बिकाऊ मीडिया ने तर्क दिया है कि यह मोदी के लिए कुछ गड़बड़ है, जबकि ब्रिटिश और अमरीकी समाचार-पत्र ही नहीं अपितु चीनी, डच और जापानी संवाद एजेंसी भी बता रही है कि ओबामा की तर्ज में यह मोदी के "वोट डालने सब बाहर आओ" के आह्वान का परिणाम है। केशुभाई की यकायक खराब हुई तबियत को बिकाऊ मीडिया ने क्यों दबाए रखा? यह भी रहस्यमयी लगता है। बीबीसी वालों ने सोनिया की सभा से बाहर आई एक महिला से पूछा कि आप सोनिया से कितना सहमत हैं तो उसने हिन्दी में उत्तर दिया कि - "मुझे समझ में ही नहीं आया, पता नहीं वो क्या सब बोल रही थी? मैं उसको केवल देखने आयी थी, कांग्रेस को वोट थोड़ी ही दूँगी।"
 
100 din mai sare gujarat (villages included) mai 24X7 electricity provide karwa dena policy nahi hai???
Courts ko request kar ke, unki holidays kam karwana or daily working time increase karwa ke cases resolve karwana, policy nahi hai kya???
Daily labour ke liye evening courts chalu karwana, taki vo din mai kha-kama sake... ye policy nahi hai kya???
sab gaon mai broadband connectivity dena taki gaon ke baccho, wahin reh kar dunia dekh sake or sochne ka dayera bade ye policy nahi hai kya???
cities ke har square pe 7 am se raat ke 11 PM 4-4 police walo ki duty lagana or ensure karana ki traffic jam na ho or public safety rules follow kare... ye policy nahi hai kya??
National Security ko improve karne ke liye Indian ka pehla Security Education mai Bechlor Degree dene wali University kholna... ye policy nahi hai kya???
2002 ke baad koi riot nahi hue... aisa bina kisi policy ke ho sakta hai kya???
Gujarat ke sare Ministers (including CM), IAS, IPS or doosre departments ke log summer holidays pe jane ke bajai... gaon mai schools mai padhane jate hain... ye policy nahi hai kya???

No where did I read words like 'Policies', 'Modi' or 'Govt' in this entire copy paste of yours.
 
ab ye mat bolna ki wikipedia authenticated source nahi hai... ek post mai "National Council of Applied Economic Research" ka bhi reference de diya tha... gujarat govt ki websites pe tu trust nahi karega... to in sources ki credibility tabhi mani jayegi jab tu inko approve kar dega...

That is true, Wiki is not a source
PS : Regarding AB's statement : Amitabh Bachchan is currently the brand ambassador of Gujarat Tourism. ‘Khushboo Gujarat Ki' campaign by megastar Amitabh Bachchan has grown tourism in Gujarat by 14 per cent, twice that of national growth rate.

Campaign has grown or tourism? Eitherway AB is not an endorsement as he is paid to speak. He also said 'UP main dam hai kyunki waha jurm kam hai', you believe that?
 
tu to raul baba ki tarah baat kar ruha hai... ki kaam to gujarati karte hain or naam modi ka hota hai...

agar kisi leader ka naam hone se itni takleef hoti hai to ye kyon bolte ho ki sonia ji ne ya centre ne itna paisa is state ko diya, paisa to tax payers ne diya hai... or aisa hi hota hai sari duniya mai... gujarat mai kya alag ho ruha hai...

agar leader accha hota hai to log ko kaam milta hai or vo kaam karte hain, state grow karti hai or uski tareef bhi hoti hai ya leader accha nahi hota to public suffer karti hai, unemployed hoti hai or state growth nahi kar pati or na hi us state ki tareef hoti hai, ulta us state ka naam gali ke tarah liya jata hai... ye bilkul simple or basic baat hai... par pata nahi kyon ye baat na to raul baba ke script writer ki samajh mai aai, na raul baba ki or na teri...

This is more of a Gujarat Praise than Modi praise, Ambani and Premji are Gujrati, so? Every state have their heroes.
 
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Wiki pe jo likha hota hai uska reference bhi hota hai... or AB ke bare mai maine jo likha hai vo fir se padh le or fir se reply karne ka try kar...

That is true, Wiki is not a source


Campaign has grown or tourism? Eitherway AB is not an endorsement as he is paid to speak. He also said 'UP main dam hai kyunki waha jurm kam hai', you believe that?
 
Thanks, I was waiting for this and I agree. Question is why do you criticize Manmohan when India did so great in terms of economy and call him the weak PM?

Hypocrite?

tu to raul ba aki tarah baat kar ruha hai... ki kaam to gujarati karte hain or naam modi ka hota hai...

agar kisi leader ka naam hone se itni takleef hoti hai to ye kyon bolte ho ki sonia ji ne ya centre ne itna paisa is state ko diya, paisa to tax payers ne diya hai... or aisa hi hota hai sari duniya mai... gujarat mai kya alag ho ruha hai...

agar leader accha hota hai to log ko kaam milta hai or vo kaam karte hain, state grow karti hai or uski tareef bhi hoti hai ya leader accha nahi hota to public suffer karti hai,

And you said in earlier post Gujarat has no unemployment, REALLY?
 
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