पी एम हो तो मोदी जैसा...........

[desijat]

...for them a non muslim is a kafir

While I do agree on what you said but it is true in India too and it also depends from person to person.

You are talking about extremists here and not the common man(common people also have extremists). Like I mentioned before, I have met some really wonderful friends from across the border and they celebrated Diwali Holi with us, took part in Pooja as well where as majority of muslims wont ever do it.

 

[kapdal]

bro i have done my education from new zealand....so i know pakistanis lebanese iraqi n iranians very well n one thing is common in all of them that is they want everybody to follow islam...for them a non muslim is a kafir

भाई क्यूट, या तो तू पढ़ लेता, या फेर हांड लेता - यो न्यू जी लैंड घणी सुथरी कंट्री बतायी - पर एह मेरे यार तू भी निरा ही है

मेरी नानी कहा करती की ढेढ़ ने ढेढ़ गंगाजी पे टोह ले

 

[vikda]

Ha ha.....ye tyohaar mana lena hi achievement hai kya??....ask them if a single one of them agrees that what Kasab did was disgusting and they detest it strongly with an evident anger in their eyes or mood and or their viewpoints on similar incidents. Maximum they would say is "Terrorism does not have any religion".

Also when your wonderful friends sit together in your absence, their topic of discussion is so pro-muslim even if it includes something to be done at the cost of country.

I am sure about it as I also have such "wonderful" friends from that community (including Indians).

While I do agree on what you said but it is true in India too and it also depends from person to person.

You are talking about extremists here and not the common man(common people also have extremists). Like I mentioned before, I have met some really wonderful friends from across the border and they celebrated Diwali Holi with us, took part in Pooja as well where as majority of muslims wont ever do it.

 

[cooljat]

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पाकिस्तान के अन्ना ताहिर उल कादरी जो कनाडा के नगरिक है और प्रोफेसर है .. वो पिछले साल गुजरात आये थे .. और नरेंद्र मोदी की जमकर तारीफ की थी .. उन्होंने कहा था की हमे ये नही भूलना चाहिए की गुजरात के दंगे साबरमती ट्रेन को जलाये जाने से भडके थे .. और गुजरात के मुसलमानों को २००२ को भूलकर आगे की सोचना चाहिए और नरेद्र मोदी के साथ विकास यात्रा में शामिल होना चाहिए ..

सरकार ने इन्हें इसलिए वीजा दिया था की शायद ये गुजरात के जाकर मोदी के खिलाफ जहर उगलेंगे जैसा हर बड़ा मुस्लिम नेता या धर्मगुरु उगलता है लेकिन जब जम्बूसर की सभा में उन्होंने मोदी की खूब तारीफ की तो भारत सरकार ने उनका वीजा रद्द करके उन्हें तुरंत ही गुजरात छोड़ने के आदेश दे दिए जबकि उनको सुरत, बारडोली, पालनपुर में कई सभाए करनी थी!

 

[desijat]

Ha ha.....ye tyohaar mana lena hi achievement hai kya??....ask them if a single one of them agrees that what Kasab did was disgusting and they detest it strongly with an evident anger in their eyes or mood and or their viewpoints on similar incidents. Maximum they would say is "Terrorism does not have any religion".

Also when your wonderful friends sit together in your absence, their topic of discussion is so pro-muslim even if it includes something to be done at the cost of country.

I am sure about it as I also have such "wonderful" friends from that community (including Indians).

Looks like the only pakistani you hear is Zaid Hamid and have not yet made friends from our neighbouring country who, like us are also peace loving.

And it is true, "Terrorism does not have any religion".

 

[swaich]

Ha ha.....ye tyohaar mana lena hi achievement hai kya??....ask them if a single one of them agrees that what Kasab did was disgusting and they detest it strongly with an evident anger in their eyes or mood and or their viewpoints on similar incidents. Maximum they would say is "Terrorism does not have any religion".

Also when your wonderful friends sit together in your absence, their topic of discussion is so pro-muslim even if it includes something to be done at the cost of country.

I am sure about it as I also have such "wonderful" friends from that community (including Indians).

Questions like those don't prove anything. People with extreme views are found in every community. Many Hindus would justify babri masjid demolition. Many Sikhs would justify killing of innocents during the militancy ridden 80s.

 

[vikda]

BUT you would agree that percentage of people having extreme views in this 'wonderful' community is way more than what it is in Hindus. In Hindus we have so many Congress loving (as well as some others too) who do not carry extreme views despite of all the atrocities faced by them but same cannot be said for 'wonderful' community.

Questions like those don't prove anything. People with extreme views are found in every community. Many Hindus would justify babri masjid demolition. Many Sikhs would justify killing of innocents during the militancy ridden 80s.

 

[desijat]

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ताहिर उल कादरी जो कनाडा के नगरिक है और प्रोफेसर है ..

The same Qadri who is creating a revolution in Pakistan right now, is called a pawn of Pak army and extremists? You are proud of his endorsement for another like minded leader?

 

[swaich]

BUT you would agree that percentage of people having extreme views in this 'wonderful' community is way more than what it is in Hindus. In Hindus we have so many Congress loving (as well as some others too) who do not carry extreme views despite of all the atrocities faced by them but same cannot be said for 'wonderful' community.

No, I disagree. It would be the same. Going by violence perpetrated in India I would say they are equal. 1947 riots, terrorist attacks, Babri demolition, 1992 riots, Godhra train burning, Gujarat riots. If we were to take %, we'd find similar figure for Hindus and Muslims.


P.S. Why are you hesitant to name the community and relying on adjectives alone? No one is judging you.

 

[bsbana]

The same Qadri who is creating a revolution in Pakistan right now, is called a pawn of Pak army and extremists? You are proud of his endorsement for another like minded leader?

He is brelvi sufi and he issued fatwa against terrorism.

 

[desijat]

Yes but none the less a bad news for India. He is a pawn of Army(possibly Kayani) and is still an extremist

He is brelvi sufi and he issued fatwa against terrorism.

 

[swaich]

Yes but none the less a bad news for India. He is a pawn of Army(possibly Kayani) and is still an extremist

He could be propped by the army, we cant say as of now. But he certainly seems like an unknown quantity right now. The army has been known to transfer its weight behind candidates it likes or those it knows it can control. But then again, independent leaders with mass support can come up too. For India, untill things dont change on the ground in Pakistan, we should just wait and watch.

 

[sanjeev1984]

May be Allah delivered it through Akbaruddin's body. ha ha ha

[h=1]Hate speech voice not mine: Akbaruddin Owaisi[/h]

 

[swaich]

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पाकिस्तान के अन्ना ताहिर उल कादरी जो कनाडा के नगरिक है और प्रोफेसर है .. वो पिछले साल गुजरात आये थे .. और नरेंद्र मोदी की जमकर तारीफ की थी .. उन्होंने कहा था की हमे ये नही भूलना चाहिए की गुजरात के दंगे साबरमती ट्रेन को जलाये जाने से भडके थे .. और गुजरात के मुसलमानों को २००२ को भूलकर आगे की सोचना चाहिए और नरेद्र मोदी के साथ विकास यात्रा में शामिल होना चाहिए ..

सरकार ने इन्हें इसलिए वीजा दिया था की शायद ये गुजरात के जाकर मोदी के खिलाफ जहर उगलेंगे जैसा हर बड़ा मुस्लिम नेता या धर्मगुरु उगलता है लेकिन जब जम्बूसर की सभा में उन्होंने मोदी की खूब तारीफ की तो भारत सरकार ने उनका वीजा रद्द करके उन्हें तुरंत ही गुजरात छोड़ने के आदेश दे दिए जबकि उनको सुरत, बारडोली, पालनपुर में कई सभाए करनी थी!

Jit bhai, I dont think he said any such thing. He refused to be drawn into the riots issue. When repeatedly asked by the media to comment on 2002 riots he simply asked people to move on and think ahead. And he only thanked Modi for providing him security during is trip. Now you can try and twist this as his support for Modi.

 

[bsbana]

Yes but none the less a bad news for India. He is a pawn of Army(possibly Kayani) and is still an extremist

Most extremists(Taliban) belong to Deobandi and Salafi sects in Pakistan. Interestingly, Pakistan movement was dominated by Brelvi Muslims, Shia Muslims and Ahmediya Muslim who are considered liberal in comparison of Deobandis who supported united India. Salafism is also becoming popular in South Asian and Central Asian Muslims, who are considered even less liberal than Deobandis. Saudi Arabia is exporting Salafist ideology to countries like Pakistan, India, former central Asian republics. As far as I know, brelvi generally don't support terrorism, extremist organization like ttp are creating havoc in Pakistan, so it's possible that Pakistani establishment is supporting him, Pakistan is still largely a Sufi country.

 

[swaich]

Most extremists(Taliban) belong to Deobandi and Salafi sects in Pakistan. Interestingly, Pakistan movement was dominated by Brelvi Muslims, Shia Muslims and Ahmediya Muslim who are considered liberal in comparison of Deobandis who supported united India. Salafism is also becoming popular in South Asian and Central Asian Muslims, who are considered even less liberal than Deobandis. Saudi Arabia is exporting Salafist ideology to countries like Pakistan, India, former central Asian republics. As far as I know, brelvi generally don't support terrorism, extremist organization like ttp are creating havoc in Pakistan, so it's possible that Pakistani establishment is supporting him, Pakistan is still largely a Sufi country.

Bheem bhai, is Wahabbism the same as Salafism?

 

[bsbana]

Bheem bhai, is Wahabbism the same as Salafism?

Yes, both are same thing. In Saudi Arabia, wahabism is dominant. However US supports Saudi Arabia in return for non-aggression toward Israel. Saudi Arabia is also fearing rise of Iran as regional power in middle east, so SA accelerated her efforts to promote their ideology in countries like Pakistan. Most extremists are from tribes like Awans and Arains of Southern Punjab(Saraiki regions).

 

[swaich]

Yes, both are same thing. In Saudi Arabia, wahabism is dominant. However US supports Saudi Arabia in return for non-aggression toward Israel. Saudi Arabia is also fearing rise of Iran as regional power in middle east, so SA accelerated her efforts to promote their ideology in countries like Pakistan. Most extremists are from tribes like Awans and Arains of Southern Punjab(Saraiki regions).

That would be Multan and Bhawalpur I guess.

I read somewhere this Qadri guy is a Sial. I am not sure if that means he's a Jatt or not as Sial is also a tribe since medieval times and is also a Jat clan. Needless to remind, Heer (of Heer-Ranjha) was a Sial and Ranjha was a Jat.

 

[bsbana]

That would be Multan and Bhawalpur I guess.

I read somewhere this Qadri guy is a Sial. I am not sure if that means he's a Jatt or not as Sial is also a tribe since medieval times and is also a Jat clan. Needless to remind, Heer (of Heer-Ranjha) was a Sial and Ranjha was a Jat.

Sials are Khatri, Rajput and Jatt. In his district, Sials are mostly Jats. So he is probably a Jatt .I think that Jat Muslims are mostly Sufis(Brelavi). Pakistani Punjab is totally not Jatt dominated like Indian Punjab. It has significant Rajput,Arain,Awan and Gujjar regions.

 

[desijat]

The myth called Gujarat

It shows the deep sense of insecurity and, to some extent, an inferiority complex, among the easily excitable followers of Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, that they feast over statistics of investment commitments made by businesses and government officials at the Vibrant Gujarat Summit.
The emphasis is on who came (European governments) and who didn’t (some public sector undertakings) and who left quietly (delegates from Pakistan), than the more real achievement of Modi—winning a fourth electoral term. And that’s because the cult surrounding Modi takes the voters for granted, and is eager to earn accolades from abroad.
Witness the laughable mobilization a year ago, to get people to vote for Modi as one of the most influential people in the world, in Time magazine. Recall their thrill when a foreign publication considers him as a leader to watch. Look at the excitement when in a cable leaked on WikiLeaks, an American diplomat interprets Modi’s popularity and Gujarat’s growth, while ignoring the same government’s criticism of Gujarat’s handling of 2002 riots in similar cables. And notice their deep sense of dejection that in spite of lobbying the US government, its State Department simply won’t issue the man a visa, so that he can address motel owners in Hoboken, New Jersey, or Paris, Texas, or Kansas City, Kansas. Indeed, it is pathetic when a leader is considered to have arrived if the US government lets him in. (And so what if it did? Americans don’t vote in India’s national elections.)
It is in that context that I find the excitement in Gandhinagar and Ahmedabad over getting Britain to “re-establish” contact with the Gujarat government amusing. First, Britain has relations with India, not with its individual states. Britain doesn’t exchange ambassadors with sub-sovereign entities, which Gujarat is. The excitement over the presence of Patricia Hewitt, an opposition leader in Britain (it should be remembered), and the High Commissioner, at the Vibrant Gujarat Summit has a symbolic value. It does not imply that millions of pounds of investment will follow. Nor does it mean Britain now actively encourages investment in Gujarat over other states. If it did discourage it, not many people appeared to know that. In the past decade alone, dozens of British companies have invested in Gujarat, in spite of the so-called “boycott” of Gujarat’s political leadership, just as they have invested in other parts of India and beyond. British Gas had set up shop in the 1990s, and Formica has been around since 1962. If the British government did not want companies to invest in India, clearly Mott MacDonald (in 2000), Cairn Energy (since 2003), D&H Engineering (since 2005), HR Wallingford (in 2007), and Shell, among others, didn’t get that memo.
And which is as it should be, because “directed” investment never does much good to investors, and investors voting with their wallets inevitably make smarter decisions than investors voting as per government diktats. Just as comprehensive, blunt sanctions are counter-productive, so are decisions made when influenced by the state.
And at no stage over the past decade did Britain prevent business ties with Gujarat, as the partial list of British companies investing in Gujarat shows. None was prevented from access to credit, or export finance, or any other domestic incentives in the UK. Read high commissioner James Bevan’s speech closely: there’s not one direct, personal, effusive mention of Modi of the sort captains of Indian industry handed him, as though they were addressing a Gandhi scion and were members of the Congress Working Committee; in Bevan’s speech, there is deserved fulsome praise for the state’s people’s dynamism; there is a call to forge closer ties. If Modi’s fans think it is an endorsement, I won’t interrupt their dream. Indeed, the ties are bilateral—many Gujarat-based businesses have invested in Britain, in sectors such as pharmaceuticals, software, healthcare, and engineering. The return of Britain to Gujarat is, to paraphrase the Bard, Much Ado About a Routine Thing.
Investors who have put their money in Gujarat have done so because it makes sense, just as those putting money in other states have. For a state as soundly administered since its formation over 50 years ago with an infrastructure that was always superior to its neighbours; a bureaucracy that had always been cooperative to entrepreneurs; where large projects were the norm since Amul, since Gujarat State Financial Corporation mobilized resources; since one of the country’s first export zones was set up here and with its vast coastline and seafaring culture, it would require spectacular incompetence to mess things up.
Modi’s chief characteristic appears to lie in letting people do what they want—be they businesses seeking profit, or—let us be honest about it—be they people seeking revenge

(Mint article)