It is well recognized by Economists that growing on larger scale is credible. And Growing at a rate of 9% on larger scale is incredible. Now don't say that its an ordinary growth!
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It is well recognized by Economists that growing on larger scale is credible. And Growing at a rate of 9% on larger scale is incredible. Now don't say that its an ordinary growth!
Only allegations by Congressis on Modi. It may be a political gimmick, who knows!
Now read this:
"However, the recent report submitted by the Modi government-appointed commission of inquiry headed by retired Supreme Court judge Justice M B Shah has given a clean chit to the Gujarat government in the matter of allocation of land to DLF and 14 other cases of corporate houses getting concessional land."
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I never said Gujarat is not growing, it is but is it growing because of Modi? NO. In fact it has slowed under him... second is it growing fastest? NO
So what is Gujarat models noise all about?
And did I hear supreme court, or any one besides media raising questions on DLF Haryana govt deals? Or even Vadra deals?
malikdeepak1
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If only those numbers are TRUE (talking in Indian context)! Businessman show numbers that they are growing this and that to get more business. Business is done by number game. You audit them and you can see what all they do to fake those numbers. Ramalingam Raju is a fantastic example of that.
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Do visit Gujarat and Haryana and see the difference please. Do a comparison without any bias. As I gave one example, Hooda saab could not get a 40km highway done in 9 years, that too from his own city( jiski development ke naam ka thook biloya jata hai!).
All that glitters is not gold. Marketing can help make mole seem a mountain but number deflate the myths. Same is true for a corporate too, and a state is no different.
I am not comparing it with any bias, if I criticize the Gujarat mirage I appreciate Chauhan's growth too.
If only those numbers are TRUE (talking in Indian context)! Businessman show numbers that they are growing this and that to get more business. Business is done by number game. You audit them and you can see what all they do to fake those numbers. Ramalingam Raju is a fantastic example of that.
I absolutely agree and thus I say, Modi's growth is a mirage. Have you seen the rising debt in the state? Have you seen the growing deficit? Have you heard of tax payers money been given to corporates? firstly I dont think Gujarat is growing unusually as it is shown to be, and whatever expenditure govt is doing is coming at a huge cost.
Desi,
Growing on a larger base at fast rate is not easy!
Gujarat is growing on a larger base at a quite decent rate.
That is why it is incredible!
Modi is liked by corporate because his government has reduced inefficiencies. Today Gujarat is one of the state which provides 24 hours electricity. Gujarat produces surplus electricity and is helping other states. On contrary, blackout is normal in Haryana. In fact cities like Gurgaon don't get electricity 24 hours. Private businesses have arranged their own power generators. Similarly infrastructure is shame in Gurgaon. No access to clean water, no drainage, potholes on road. Everywhere is Haryana, you will see the same mess! Gujarat is way too better on those parameters. That's why it is getting attention from all over the world.
First of all, No efforts have been made by Haryana government to set an independent probe on this issue. Haryana Government's IAS officer already pointed out about irregularities, favoritism and misuse of CLU in granting land to private builders. CAG already found irregularities and misuse of CLU. What other proof you want to know.
On contrary Gujarat government appointed an independent commission of inquiry headed by retired Supreme Court judge to probe these allegations. Nothing was found in the probe.
I think you missed Deepak's point. Infrastructure projects are taking long time to complete in Haryana. 40 Kms of road is taking 9 long years to complete. What growth are you talking about?
I am not sure which road you are talking about but can just a road be a yardstick for development? or are roads the only yardstick of development? I am sure no economist or the planning commission of India would agree with you bro
I agree and disagree. Modi is definitive and he does give 24 hour electricity but that is not the reason why he is liked by corporate. Those things are important but not the most important one, most important aspect is MONEY.Like I wrote before, RTIs are still unanswered on benefits given to Tata or Adani's, Adani's infamous sponsorship incident at Wharton is known to all of us and now the news of getting tax benefits in tune of over 1000 crore are indicative enough.
I am not saying any government does not give tax benefits or is it bad, but they are given in states or sectors which lack investments and that has never been the case with Gujarat specially in the sector Tata or Reliance or Adani operate in.
Desi,
Economists do consider such things because it results into adding inefficiencies. You take the example of Kundli Manesar Palwal highway. The construction on this project kicked off in 2007 and it was supposed to be delivered by 2009. But so far its 80 percent complete. It has already passed all the deadlines. This means that there have been many lapses by both government and contractor. Government first of all awarded this contract to some who does not have considerably good experience in building roads. It also hints towards favoratism and corruption. Second government could not negotiate well with the different parties to speed up the process. Red tape, late decison making and policy paralysis contributed to this delay. Now if you consider things as a good sign of administrator then God Bless you !!!
Economists do consider such things because it results into adding inefficiencies. You take the example of Kundli Manesar Palwal highway. The construction on this project kicked off in 2007 and it was supposed to be delivered by 2009. But so far its 80 percent complete. It has already passed all the deadlines. This means that there have been many lapses by both government and contractor. Government first of all awarded this contract to some who does not have considerably good experience in building roads. It also hints towards favoratism and corruption. Second government could not negotiate well with the different parties to speed up the process. Red tape, late decison making and policy paralysis contributed to this delay. Now if you consider things as a good sign of administrator then God Bless you !!!
I think making business easy for corporates is also a sign of good administrator provided that it is well intended. Now the allegations you have made might be right or wrong. We have CAG,CVC who looks after all this. I only like Modi as administrator because he has very good ideas of effective administration. Atleast he talks about them and on some instances he has proven that. On contrary, I can't see Bhuppi talking about such intiatives and ever implemented them!
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Desi, its not just a road. Lived in Delhi and don't know about Bahadurgarh? Strange!
It is a highway that connects Rohtak(CM CITY) to Delhi. And there is lot of hullabu over development of Rohtak ONLY. So, as vicky said, when a CM can't get a road from so called developed city to a mid-point connection(bahadurgarh) to national capitaldone in his 9 years of tenure, you say Haryana has progressed better than Gujarat(you have claimed this thru some stupid numbers)! I challenged you with real facts but you did not respond. You simply run away by giving stupid answers, just like you gave one above! Be practical and think practical. You are always under impression of numbers and never seen reality. And then you say Numbers never lie, which in itself is a lie. Development includes many things and infrastructure is one of them if you don't know. Have you ever wondered how much people of Rohtak have suffered because of this highway under-construction?? I bet you never!
As I mentioned earlier, visit both places and then comment. Even if Modi is making FALSE claims (as you Kangreasi believe), still companies are running towards Gujarat? Why not Haryana? Why not Rohtak THE CM CITY and MOST DEVELOPED CITY IN HARYANA?
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sanjeev1984
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Bhai aap apne keemti samay ko barbaad kar ruhe ho... agar ye "debate" hota to kuch beneficial hota... lakin mugjhe nahi lagta kisi debate mai itne idiotic logics hote hain...
- Aap ne or Deepak ne baat ki slow Infrastructure Development ki, or example diya KMP expressway ki… lakin is us post mai se sirf 40 km ka road (just an example) dikai diya… Infra Development (larger perspective) ko side mai rukh diya…
- Pehle bolta hai ki Numbers don’t lie… or Modi ke against wale numbers present karta hai… jab Satayam ka example diya jata hai to agree karta hai ki “Numbers can lie” bolta hai ki Modi’s development is mirage(see post no 1471) according to same formula… or fir next post (post no 1472) mai hi fir se kuch numbers de deta hai… ultimately iska formula hai ki jab numbers modi ke against(sacche ya jhoote) hain, to numbers don’t lie… or jab numbers modi ke favor (sacche ya jhoote) mai hain, to numbers can lie….
Is it mandatory to know about 40 KM road in Bahadurgarh to be a Delhi resident?
But to your point my numbers were not stupid, merely wetted data from credible source. The number you presented were, good, great but I asked you to compare them with Gujarat to get a real life comparison which I still await. Bhai please understand one thing, I am not saying Gujarat is not growing - it is and it has always been but is it as much Modi shows to be? No... And is it all fair? No... And is it the best model in the country? No
I dont induldge in personal comments But bhai tere se bada andha bhagat nahi dekha maine aaj tak, Congressio ko to duniya nyu hi kave hai ak bhagat hai par tere barge modi bhakat jissa to koi na hai bhai...
Vicky aur Malik sensible, meaningful aur logical discussion kar rahe hai but I am sure that is too much for you to process that you had to get in your personal filth in between?
Vicky aur Malik sensible, meaningful aur logical discussion kar rahe hai but I am sure that is too much for you to process that you had to get in your personal filth in between?
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