rajatsingh
Banned
Jats must vote for congress, no party gave us so much favor ever before... different parties used to lie one after another.....we must thanks mr b.s Hooda, Ch Ajit Singh for all lobbying work to get this reservation.....
Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?
- Thread starter samarkadian
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This is just cleared by cabinet not by parliament. If they were honest they would have got it passed properly. Next Govt doesn't have to abide by this. In any case if they have given us reservation does not mean that we have to vote for them for the rest of the life.
Sometime we have to think about long term gains rather than short terms.
Sometime we have to think about long term gains rather than short terms.
narenderkharb
Active member
Forces inimical to our interests were creating hurdles on every step......New twists were added on every occasion ...Had the govt cared about every formality we would have missed the Bus.
Best thing is Congress did it .It is time for our Jats brethren to ensure that it is not again snatched back as BJP partner Bishnoi did last time.
Well we very well know how much love Sushama ,Advani,Rambilas ,Rajnath ,Vijay Malohtra ,Jaswant Singh Arun Shorie Jethmalani and others have for Jats . So let us hope every thing goes right.
But I would agree Jats will have a tough time choosing between Hooda and Choutala in Haryana.
Best thing is Congress did it .It is time for our Jats brethren to ensure that it is not again snatched back as BJP partner Bishnoi did last time.
Well we very well know how much love Sushama ,Advani,Rambilas ,Rajnath ,Vijay Malohtra ,Jaswant Singh Arun Shorie Jethmalani and others have for Jats . So let us hope every thing goes right.
But I would agree Jats will have a tough time choosing between Hooda and Choutala in Haryana.
narenderkharb
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You also doubt BJP if comes to power may not abide by this ...So why take risk??
Long term gains for Jats by supporting Bishnoi and Rambilas ?? there seems none ..May be someone can tell us about that .
narenderkharb
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[h=1]मोदी के मंसूबों पर पानी न फेर दे ये नया हीरो![/h]
अनुज मित्तल
सोमवार, 3 मार्च 2014
ब्यूरो, मेरठ
Updated @ 12:52 PM IST
[h=2]केंद्र सरकार पर दबाव बनाकर अजित सिंह बने हीरो[/h]जाट आरक्षण को कैबिनेट की बैठक में मंजूरी दिलाकर चौ. अजित सिंह ने जो पैंतरा चला है, वह विपक्षी पार्टियों पर ही नहीं बल्कि उनके विरोधी जाट नेताओं पर भी भारी पड़ा है।
लोकसभा चुनाव से ठीक पहले दबाव की राजनीति कर अजित सिंह ने जो दांव चला है, उससे पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में रालोद नये चुनावी समीकरण लेकर सामने आया है।
जाट आरक्षण की मांग 1949 में पूर्व प्रधानमंत्री और चौ. अजित सिंह के पिता चौधरी चरण सिंह ने उठाई थी। इसके बाद चौ. अजित सिंह ने आरक्षण की मांग को ठंडा नहीं होने दिया। जिसके चलते प्रदेश स्तर पर तो जाटों को आरक्षण मिला। लेकिन केंद्रीय सेवाओं में आरक्षण की मांग बनी रही।
अनुज मित्तल
सोमवार, 3 मार्च 2014
ब्यूरो, मेरठ
Updated @ 12:52 PM IST
लोकसभा चुनाव से ठीक पहले दबाव की राजनीति कर अजित सिंह ने जो दांव चला है, उससे पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में रालोद नये चुनावी समीकरण लेकर सामने आया है।
जाट आरक्षण की मांग 1949 में पूर्व प्रधानमंत्री और चौ. अजित सिंह के पिता चौधरी चरण सिंह ने उठाई थी। इसके बाद चौ. अजित सिंह ने आरक्षण की मांग को ठंडा नहीं होने दिया। जिसके चलते प्रदेश स्तर पर तो जाटों को आरक्षण मिला। लेकिन केंद्रीय सेवाओं में आरक्षण की मांग बनी रही।
narenderkharb
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[h=1]मोदी के मंसूबों पर पानी न फेर दे ये नया हीरो![/h]
[h=2]जाट आरक्षण के दांव ने बिगाड़ दिया BJP का गणित[/h]जाट रालोद का परंपरागत वोटर रहा है। लेकिन मुजफ्फरनगर दंगे के बाद इस नाराजगी को भुनाने में भाजपा ने कोई कसर नहीं छोड़ी।
इस खिसकते वोट बैंक पर रालोद को भरोसा था कि जाटों को केंद्र में आरक्षण मिलने पर उनका वोट बैंक और अधिक मजबूत होगा।
इसके लिए रालोद मुखिया चौधरी अजित सिंह तीन माह से केंद्र सरकार पर दबाव बनाए हुए थे। जाट आरक्षण के असमंजस में भाजपा मुजफ्फरनगर दंगे पर सियासत कर जहां जाट लैंड में अपना सियासी पारा चढ़ाने पर लगी थी। उसे अब झटका लगा है।
हालांकि भाजपाई प्रदेश में जाट आरक्षण देने का श्रेय लेकर इस पर सफाई देने में जुटे हैं।
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इस खिसकते वोट बैंक पर रालोद को भरोसा था कि जाटों को केंद्र में आरक्षण मिलने पर उनका वोट बैंक और अधिक मजबूत होगा।
इसके लिए रालोद मुखिया चौधरी अजित सिंह तीन माह से केंद्र सरकार पर दबाव बनाए हुए थे। जाट आरक्षण के असमंजस में भाजपा मुजफ्फरनगर दंगे पर सियासत कर जहां जाट लैंड में अपना सियासी पारा चढ़ाने पर लगी थी। उसे अब झटका लगा है।
हालांकि भाजपाई प्रदेश में जाट आरक्षण देने का श्रेय लेकर इस पर सफाई देने में जुटे हैं।
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narenderkharb
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[h=1]मोदी के मंसूबों पर पानी न फेर दे ये नया हीरो![/h]
[h=2]सपा के सियासी समीकरण भी हो जाएंगे गड़बड़[/h]सपा भी पश्चिम में जाट वोटरों को लुभाने के लिए दिग्गजों को लाल बत्तियां देकर लुभाने का प्रयास कर चुकी है। इनमें अनुराधा चौधरी, साहिब सिंह, राजेंद्र चौधरी और राजपाल सिंह का नाम प्रमुख है।
लेकिन जाट आरक्षण में अंतिम मुहर लगने के बाद सभी के समीकरण धरे रह गए।
लेकिन जाट आरक्षण में अंतिम मुहर लगने के बाद सभी के समीकरण धरे रह गए।
Sometime we just read what we want to read. Did I say BJP will come to the power and if it does may not abide by it. I just said next Govt whoever be it does not have to abide by because its not passed in parliament.
Did I ask you or anyone else to support Bishnoi or Rambilas ? Anyway may be you can tell us how another 5 years of scams, weak govt, wrong economic policies will benefit anyone. Reservation is just a mean not an end.
vairesatendra
New member
AFAIK, inclusion of any caste in Central OBC list doesn't require Parliament approval. NCBC Act 1993 says that NCBC shall examine and advise central government to include/exclude any caste in OBC list and NCBC recommendations shall ordinarily be binding upon the central government.
Gazette notification is issued by Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment based on the Central Governments acceptance/rejection of recommendations given by NCBC.
Government tables a report to apprise Parliament its decisions based on the inputs of NCBC and it has always been there in the past. Parliament will not be any hurdle because it is not a new legislation. Jat Reservation is more or less a policy of government and not a new legislation because legislation is already in place of 27% reservation to OBCs.
We should wait for the Gazette notification by Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment.
However, inclusion/deletion of any caste in OBC list can be challenged in Court of law.
In case of Jat reservation, NCBC has given divided recommendation and Central Government has included Jats in OBC list because of elections. This can be challenged in court. Court can put stay on this in lack of proper study before including Jats in OBC list. At that time, it will be completely dependent on the arguments presented before court and justification by government to include Jats in OBC list.
Positive thing is that Jats are already included in various states OBC list.
prashantacmet
New member
I will vote for Ajeet (and you may vote for Hooda kharab ji) for assembly election for their favor on Jat reservation but not for coming parliament election. not to rambilas, not to BJP, this vote goes to "feku" to stop "pappu" and "paltu".
It is a good step.
But
How JAT reservation has any relation with Modi?
Even the BJP Govt gave status of OBC to Rajasthan JATS more that 12 years back.
If they were against JAT reservation then how it happened that time.
In case Congress was really concerned than why it did not do it before 5 or 6 months back.
Now again there are many hurdles to get through.....
If it had been 6 Months back then those hurdles may get cleared.
Really Hero will be one who will implement it after election. In Delhi Commission to Include JATS in Delhi State OBC was set up by BJP.
JATS now should not be too anti to any Party so that after election it may not be implemented for another 5 Years.
We need to gather support from other OBC - Like Saini /Gujjars to support us because Bishnoi/Yadav will always oppose us.
But
How JAT reservation has any relation with Modi?
Even the BJP Govt gave status of OBC to Rajasthan JATS more that 12 years back.
If they were against JAT reservation then how it happened that time.
In case Congress was really concerned than why it did not do it before 5 or 6 months back.
Now again there are many hurdles to get through.....
If it had been 6 Months back then those hurdles may get cleared.
Really Hero will be one who will implement it after election. In Delhi Commission to Include JATS in Delhi State OBC was set up by BJP.
JATS now should not be too anti to any Party so that after election it may not be implemented for another 5 Years.
We need to gather support from other OBC - Like Saini /Gujjars to support us because Bishnoi/Yadav will always oppose us.
मोदी के मंसूबों पर पानी न फेर दे ये नया हीरो!
जाट आरक्षण के दांव ने बिगाड़ दिया BJP का गणित
जाट रालोद का परंपरागत वोटर रहा है। लेकिन मुजफ्फरनगर दंगे के बाद इस नाराजगी को भुनाने में भाजपा ने कोई कसर नहीं छोड़ी।
इस खिसकते वोट बैंक पर रालोद को भरोसा था कि जाटों को केंद्र में आरक्षण मिलने पर उनका वोट बैंक और अधिक मजबूत होगा।
इसके लिए रालोद मुखिया चौधरी अजित सिंह तीन माह से केंद्र सरकार पर दबाव बनाए हुए थे। जाट आरक्षण के असमंजस में भाजपा मुजफ्फरनगर दंगे पर सियासत कर जहां जाट लैंड में अपना सियासी पारा चढ़ाने पर लगी थी। उसे अब झटका लगा है।
हालांकि भाजपाई प्रदेश में जाट आरक्षण देने का श्रेय लेकर इस पर सफाई देने में जुटे हैं।
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narenderkharb
Active member
I was not sure you are taking third front that seriously ..any way it doesn't matter if you didn't mean that.
So whom you meant ?
Do you remember last term of BJP rule ....Mahajan telecom ..Jaswant Singh biryani for Kandhar shameless episode Jaya Jaitlys dealings ...Fernandise coffins..Rajan Bhattacharyas greater than wadra role ...Arun Shouries daily loot of national assets in the name of privatization ...Jethmalanis's role in urban development ....Brijesh mishra role at the top level...I won't like to detail all but seeing all that you must not vote for BJP another 50 years
Well I may be wrong if you are asking for a third option but if you mean BJP than congree and BJP are just two faces of the same coin at the center but for Haryana Congress is certainly better than BJP .
Regarding Reservation It is a mean that help us in attaining the end we plan for our brothers.
anilsangwan
Active member
Official Notification to abhi tak aaya nahi hai kisi bhi website pe : Social Justice Department / National Commission for Backward Classes
......er Vote maanganiye pehlam aa liye :livid: :livid:
Agar ye Aarakshan denn ki neeyat thee..... to kyu hamare Jat bhaiyo se itna sangharsh karwaya itne saalon tak?... kyu logo ko goliyon se maara Mayyar mein...... kyu railway line pe baithey rahe log itni thand mein.......... woh sab karke bhi khaangress ka ehsaan maane?
Ebb vote chahiye inn ne is liye diya hai ...........Lekin pehlam vote di thee to goli marwayi thee inn ne Jat aarakshan waalo pe ...... Mere hisaab se to Jat kaum bikaau nahi hai!!
Aarakshan mila - bahut acchi baat... hamara haq hai aur hamare logon ne khoon paseena bahaya hai iske liye !!! Humaare logon ne sangharsh kar ke liya hai...... Khaangress ka ke ehsaan iss mein? Khaangress ke lathh laagenge pakke iss election mein !!!
Haan - Rambilas fuddu hai !. No doubt !
......er Vote maanganiye pehlam aa liye :livid: :livid:
Agar ye Aarakshan denn ki neeyat thee..... to kyu hamare Jat bhaiyo se itna sangharsh karwaya itne saalon tak?... kyu logo ko goliyon se maara Mayyar mein...... kyu railway line pe baithey rahe log itni thand mein.......... woh sab karke bhi khaangress ka ehsaan maane?
Ebb vote chahiye inn ne is liye diya hai ...........Lekin pehlam vote di thee to goli marwayi thee inn ne Jat aarakshan waalo pe ...... Mere hisaab se to Jat kaum bikaau nahi hai!!
Aarakshan mila - bahut acchi baat... hamara haq hai aur hamare logon ne khoon paseena bahaya hai iske liye !!! Humaare logon ne sangharsh kar ke liya hai...... Khaangress ka ke ehsaan iss mein? Khaangress ke lathh laagenge pakke iss election mein !!!
Haan - Rambilas fuddu hai !. No doubt !
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rajpaldular
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अंग्रेजों ने इस देश को दो टुकड़ो में विभक्त किया था और कांग्रेस ने तो इस देश के हिंदुओं को 6000 जातियों में विभक्त कर दिया।
Sir next govt could be of AAP, UPA or NDA or may be third front backed by Congress.
I disagree that congress and BJP are same at the centre. Vajpeyee was much better than ManMohan. Vajpeyee had a vision. During his time there were more jobs for youth. Foreign investment was coming in. World had confidence in us. He took on USA and they had to take sanctions back. Even Chidambram has said that NDA left govt with strong financials.
Probably there wasnt any govt in India who has been scam free but UPA has broken all records.
I dont follow one party. I backed AAP in delhi and for me BJP doesn't exist in Haryana.
What is the end you want to achieve by reservation. Jobs?
drrajpalsingh
New member
मोदी के मंसूबों पर पानी न फेर दे ये नया हीरो!
अनुज मित्तल
सोमवार, 3 मार्च 2014
ब्यूरो, मेरठ
Updated @ 12:52 PM IST
केंद्र सरकार पर दबाव बनाकर अजित सिंह बने हीरो
जाट आरक्षण को कैबिनेट की बैठक में मंजूरी दिलाकर चौ. अजित सिंह ने जो पैंतरा चला है, वह विपक्षी पार्टियों पर ही नहीं बल्कि उनके विरोधी जाट नेताओं पर भी भारी पड़ा है।
लोकसभा चुनाव से ठीक पहले दबाव की राजनीति कर अजित सिंह ने जो दांव चला है, उससे पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में रालोद नये चुनावी समीकरण लेकर सामने आया है।
जाट आरक्षण की मांग 1949 में पूर्व प्रधानमंत्री और चौ. अजित सिंह के पिता चौधरी चरण सिंह ने उठाई थी। इसके बाद चौ. अजित सिंह ने आरक्षण की मांग को ठंडा नहीं होने दिया। जिसके चलते प्रदेश स्तर पर तो जाटों को आरक्षण मिला। लेकिन केंद्रीय सेवाओं में आरक्षण की मांग बनी रही।
Height of sycophancy !
Where was this arm chair hero for the last about ten years of UPA rule when Jats were struggling and sacrificing even their lives for getting their legitimate demands conceded by the Government of India of which he was a participant !
drrajpalsingh
New member
Perhaps it was Atal Behari Vajpayee government that did it for the Jats of Rajasthan !
So far as Haryana is concerned the state level special reservation share for the Jats is merely 1 % out of 5% in class 1 posts and 2% in below this category given to all five castes included in special reservation given 5 and 10 percent to Jats, Sikh Jats, Bishnois, Rors, etc. This is the true picture of the Jat reservation in Haryana.
So the Jats of Haryana have no illusion about the fact that they have not got their rightful share in their State .
The cat of central reservation share to the Jats is yet to come out whether it is special or included in the general pool of reservation for OBCs. of India !
Therefore, it would be right not to be over excited to decide voting this party or that party.
anilsangwan
Active member
Very rightly said sir. Ajit Singh foresees the fate of his party in coming elections. This is the reason he is very desparate to do something to save at least his own seat.
Above news seems to be a paid one.... just to get credit..... you see the sentence... " इसके बाद चौ. अजित सिंह ने आरक्षण की मांग को ठंडा नहीं होने दिया।" ........ OMG... this guy never supported any Jat reservation stirs.... Else, he could have kicked his ministerial berth and come along Jats for this cause... !!!
Above news seems to be a paid one.... just to get credit..... you see the sentence... " इसके बाद चौ. अजित सिंह ने आरक्षण की मांग को ठंडा नहीं होने दिया।" ........ OMG... this guy never supported any Jat reservation stirs.... Else, he could have kicked his ministerial berth and come along Jats for this cause... !!!
drrajpalsingh
New member
Thanks for your very illuminating post !