rakeshsehrawat
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दोनू औड फायदा है कांग्रेस का जे जाट कांग्रेस कानी सरकते दिखे तो चुनाव तक फैंसले पे टिके रहंगे ना तो मुसलमाना/ढेड़ ने मना लेंगे
Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?
- Thread starter samarkadian
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I think this NCBC rejection should be taken as a lesson and a challenge by the community.
Our community needs a much wider and influential role in the decision making process in the country. This can be achieved through having leaders/politicians occupying key portfolios in the govt., top bureaucrats and industrialists. Not to forget the lower echelons of the govt. including the clerical and lower level staff as well.
Hence, we don't only need to be the decision makers but also the ones who execute the decisions. The decision of NCBC is totally biased and prejudiced against the Jats. They have purposely ignored the social backwardness among Jats, a situation which is turning from bad to worse in light of decreasing landholdings, educated lot not finding employment, etc. etc. Pick up any merit list in central/state govt. selections and Jats just seem to a few blips here and there on the radar. There will be good number of Yadavs, Sainis besides of course Punjabis and baniyas.
How many Chief Justices, Service Chiefs, Cabinet secretaries, Home Secretaries have been Jats?? NONE. Our representation has been nil and the spheres in which it existed, it has decreased tremendously over the years/decades.
Our community needs a much wider and influential role in the decision making process in the country. This can be achieved through having leaders/politicians occupying key portfolios in the govt., top bureaucrats and industrialists. Not to forget the lower echelons of the govt. including the clerical and lower level staff as well.
Hence, we don't only need to be the decision makers but also the ones who execute the decisions. The decision of NCBC is totally biased and prejudiced against the Jats. They have purposely ignored the social backwardness among Jats, a situation which is turning from bad to worse in light of decreasing landholdings, educated lot not finding employment, etc. etc. Pick up any merit list in central/state govt. selections and Jats just seem to a few blips here and there on the radar. There will be good number of Yadavs, Sainis besides of course Punjabis and baniyas.
How many Chief Justices, Service Chiefs, Cabinet secretaries, Home Secretaries have been Jats?? NONE. Our representation has been nil and the spheres in which it existed, it has decreased tremendously over the years/decades.
vikrantchodhary
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Where ever FAIRNESS in selection process is there you will find name of a JAT included there, its as simple as that.
So whatever you do, bring openness , transparency , reasoning , questioning & a rebellion out of you.
So whatever you do, bring openness , transparency , reasoning , questioning & a rebellion out of you.
hi brothers
after reading whole thread i did not find any jat advocate who have shed any light on jat reservation shame.is this reservation contitutional or uncontutional.if its passed my majorty then it should not be any problem.if any one challeges resrvation to jat(which no one is going to do that)if they do they are challanging whole process of reservation and they are also chalnging fundanmantel right of equaltity guartteed by our constitutution.pardon me if i said wrong and correctt me brothers thanks
after reading whole thread i did not find any jat advocate who have shed any light on jat reservation shame.is this reservation contitutional or uncontutional.if its passed my majorty then it should not be any problem.if any one challeges resrvation to jat(which no one is going to do that)if they do they are challanging whole process of reservation and they are also chalnging fundanmantel right of equaltity guartteed by our constitutution.pardon me if i said wrong and correctt me brothers thanks
anilsangwan
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भाई सूरे....
पेहली बात - जाट रिज़र्वेशन का के फायदा स आर उसका के मतलब स यो तो सब ने बेरा स।.. आर हम तो पेहले दिन तें इसका स्मार्थन करते आये।... तू मेरे पोस्ट देख ले इस टॉपिक पे !
दूसरी बात - थारा श्रेय पक्का स।.. कोये ठाली बैठा मानस थारा श्रेय नहीं ले के भाज रहा ! ठाली माणसा तें इतना ना कटे...कमांडेंट साब केने बूझ के देखिये एक बे ... आक घर तें ठाली मानस aar lugaayi हिसार धोरे track pe बैठे थे आक नहीं ...ठाली माणस गैल ना होते तो घस लिकॅड जाती आंदोलन की .. नेता के साथ फॉलो करणीय ठाली भी चाहिये!
तीरसी बात - जो ठाली बैठे सें उनका शायद कोये योगदान ना रहा हो।.... पर तेरे याद होगा आक एक SBC आले रिज़र्वेशन ने हरयाणा स्टाफ सेलेक्षन कमिशन नहीं मान रा था।.... मेंने तेरे तें दिखाई भी थी उनकी भर्ती की अड़.... अर तेने मानी भी थी की या कमी रेह गी अर फेर कार्यवाही भी हुई आर स्टाफ सेलेक्षन कमीशन मानन भी लाग ग्या SBC ने।......
तो या बात क्यूकर बनी HSCC aali? डिसकस होया होगा इस साइट पे जिब्बे ब्नी ? Na to kuchh adv aur bina reservation ke nikal jaati....तो हर किसे ने दुश्मन मत समझो।... कोये काम की बात भी लिकाड के आवें सें।...... जो तेंने काम की लागें वो राख ले ... बाकिया ने इग्नोर मार।...
जाट आरक्षण स्मिति या फेर जो मिला है उसके फायदे पे किसी ने कोये संदेह नहीं है।...कमांडेंट साब का जितना योगदान स उतना किसे का नहीं मानता मैं।.. वो लाग रे थे बिना स्वार्थ।... ....हम तो न्यू डिस्कस कर रे सें की खांग्रेस्स ने चुनावी चक्कर में गड़बड़ तो नहीं कर दी।.. तेरे खांग्रेस्स के नाम पे पतंगे क्यू लागें सें।..
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anilsangwan
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सही कही भाई ...पक्की झोली भर भर के वोट देंगे हूड़ा साब ने जाट ..... पूरा फायदा करेंगे भाई।..बाकी एक यो NCBC आला अशोक सैनी क्यूकर काबू में नहीं अया हूडा साब के ?...... समर बतावे था अक उस घासखोदिये न अपने बूढला का मजाक उडाया सुनवायी के टेम।..कोये अर्जी लगायी क्यू नहीं हूडा साब।..बाकी काल कोये भाइ इस thread बतावे था अक अजित सिंह भी ढोल पीट रा एस अक उसने ए दिवाया स्...... कन्फयूस कर दी जनता श्रेय लेनिया ने...अर श्रेय दुवानिया ने ... :livid:
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samarkadian
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Finally the notification as well. Great Day!! Great Moment!! Victory!!
MINISTRY OF SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EMPOWERMENT
RESOLUTION
New Delhi, the 4th March, 2014
F. No. 20012/129/2009-BC-II.—Whereas the Common Central List of Other Backward Classes comprising
castes and communities included in both the lists in the report of the Mandal Commission and the Lists of the State
Governments were notified in respect of 26 States and Union Territories vide Resolutions by the Ministry of Welfare
as specified in Annexure-I;
And whereas, the National Commission for Backward Classes (hereinafter referred to as the Commission)
constituted under section 3 of the National Commission for Backward Classes Act, 1993 (27 of 1993) has been
empowered under sub-section (1) of section 9 of the Act to examine requests for inclusion of any class of citizens as
backward class in the lists and hear complaints of over-inclusion or under-inclusion of any backward class in such lists
and tender such advice to the Central Government as it deems appropriate;
And whereas, the said Common Central List has been amended, on the recommendations of the Commission,
and notified from time to time by the Central Government vide Resolutions as specified in Annexure-II;
Now, therefore, the Central Government, in exercise of the powers conferred by clause (a) read with clause
(c) of section 2 of the said Act, hereby notifies the amendments to the said Common Central Lists of Other Backward
Classes in respect of the aforesaid States and Union Territories, as specified in the Appendix, which shall take effect
from the date of publication of this Resolution in the Official Gazette:—
APPENDIX
PART-A
LIST OF STATES AND UNION TERRITORIES IN RESPECT OF WHICH AMENDMENTS IN THE
CENTRAL LIST OF OTHER BACKWARD CLASSES ARE BEING NOTIFIED
1. Bihar
2. Gujarat
3. Haryana
4. Himachal Pradesh
5. Madhya Pradesh
6. Rajasthan
7. Uttarakhand
8. Uttar Pradesh
9. National Capital Territory of Delhi
http://www.egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2014/158370.pdf
MINISTRY OF SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EMPOWERMENT
RESOLUTION
New Delhi, the 4th March, 2014
F. No. 20012/129/2009-BC-II.—Whereas the Common Central List of Other Backward Classes comprising
castes and communities included in both the lists in the report of the Mandal Commission and the Lists of the State
Governments were notified in respect of 26 States and Union Territories vide Resolutions by the Ministry of Welfare
as specified in Annexure-I;
And whereas, the National Commission for Backward Classes (hereinafter referred to as the Commission)
constituted under section 3 of the National Commission for Backward Classes Act, 1993 (27 of 1993) has been
empowered under sub-section (1) of section 9 of the Act to examine requests for inclusion of any class of citizens as
backward class in the lists and hear complaints of over-inclusion or under-inclusion of any backward class in such lists
and tender such advice to the Central Government as it deems appropriate;
And whereas, the said Common Central List has been amended, on the recommendations of the Commission,
and notified from time to time by the Central Government vide Resolutions as specified in Annexure-II;
Now, therefore, the Central Government, in exercise of the powers conferred by clause (a) read with clause
(c) of section 2 of the said Act, hereby notifies the amendments to the said Common Central Lists of Other Backward
Classes in respect of the aforesaid States and Union Territories, as specified in the Appendix, which shall take effect
from the date of publication of this Resolution in the Official Gazette:—
APPENDIX
PART-A
LIST OF STATES AND UNION TERRITORIES IN RESPECT OF WHICH AMENDMENTS IN THE
CENTRAL LIST OF OTHER BACKWARD CLASSES ARE BEING NOTIFIED
1. Bihar
2. Gujarat
3. Haryana
4. Himachal Pradesh
5. Madhya Pradesh
6. Rajasthan
7. Uttarakhand
8. Uttar Pradesh
9. National Capital Territory of Delhi
http://www.egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2014/158370.pdf
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prashantacmet
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arr wo ajeet singh kah raha hai..main duwaya arrakshan..eibee judge sahab aap batao ke ajeet singh ne duwaya ya fer hooda ne duwaya...
prashantacmet
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baaki asli khabar ya hai ke aarkshan mahrre ajeet singh ne duwaya hai...hooda ka number paachhe tha...:applause:
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ravindersura
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we rail track par baithaniye thaalli koni the ye 6 saal ta laag rahe the inte jad bhi jaha bhi bulaya ye aaye , main baat kara raha hu un logo ki jo yaha ungli dabaye jaa s, jo galti jarur kadhenge
aur jaisa ki maine pahle bhi kaha hain ki shikayat karne ke tarike me fark hota hain , ho sakta hain thara tarika thik ho par maine hamesha isa lagya kare ke shikayat nahi kachod s
aur rahi shrye ki baat jitna hooda sahab ka s utna ch ajeet singh ka bhi s , bas fark itna s ke party par pressure jab banta hain jab koi khud us party wala us par pressure banaye.
prashantacmet
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anilsangwan
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Ebb aayi sahi post... kachod to tu maare tha bhai Sura apni post mein !!! Par ho sake s aapas mein samjhan mein fark reh ja likhi od baat online...
Hum to saath hain hamesha Aarakshan ke... Haan lekin jis baat mein sandeh laagya wo boojhi hai khul ke.... !!!
All clear now..
Hum to saath hain hamesha Aarakshan ke... Haan lekin jis baat mein sandeh laagya wo boojhi hai khul ke.... !!!
All clear now..
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Looking at the poll it appears that most of the people who are in favour of voting congress are the one who were in favour even before the announcement and most of the people who are against are the one who were against before this news.
Doesn't look like this news have changed people's views about Congress that much. Some people have started showing how it will dent Modi's fortune. Don't know whether are happy because of reservation or because it will harm Modi. Some people are asking all Jats to vote for Congress now as in their eyes we are indebted to them.
Another way to look at it if this was our Right Congress took 24 years to give us our Right? Should we feel angry or indebted. Yes one can argue that if we wouldn't suck up to Congress we wouldn't get Reservation. But a man of integrity and self pride wouldn't suck up to anyone for reservation. He will keep fighting till he get it.
I know people here don't like criticism and they would call me someone who never sat on the track and is just an internet warrior but we are not criticising them but are criticising Congress. Truth is people are so fed up with UPA that even this news wont change their mind. Another thing is when people ask for vote in favour of congress the voter has all right to ask questions about the motive, timing of the decision, critically evaluate it or be cynic about it . Its their right to ask and its the duty of the person seeking vote to explain. At least I never promised that I will vote for congress if we get reservation. The one who did should vote for congress.
Doesn't look like this news have changed people's views about Congress that much. Some people have started showing how it will dent Modi's fortune. Don't know whether are happy because of reservation or because it will harm Modi. Some people are asking all Jats to vote for Congress now as in their eyes we are indebted to them.
Another way to look at it if this was our Right Congress took 24 years to give us our Right? Should we feel angry or indebted. Yes one can argue that if we wouldn't suck up to Congress we wouldn't get Reservation. But a man of integrity and self pride wouldn't suck up to anyone for reservation. He will keep fighting till he get it.
I know people here don't like criticism and they would call me someone who never sat on the track and is just an internet warrior but we are not criticising them but are criticising Congress. Truth is people are so fed up with UPA that even this news wont change their mind. Another thing is when people ask for vote in favour of congress the voter has all right to ask questions about the motive, timing of the decision, critically evaluate it or be cynic about it . Its their right to ask and its the duty of the person seeking vote to explain. At least I never promised that I will vote for congress if we get reservation. The one who did should vote for congress.
anilsangwan
Active member
अजीत सिंह 25 सीट जीतेगा एबके ! मेरठ तें ले के रामपुर तक सब उसका ए स।.. :applause:chal bhai..tai ajeet singh aali baat bhi maan li..
prashantdabas
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I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.
1) Are we socially deprived?
The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.
2) Are we economically weak?
We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.
3) Are we educationally weak?
We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.
If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.
We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.
Where is our honor and pride my friends?
Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?
We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
1) Are we socially deprived?
The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.
2) Are we economically weak?
We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.
3) Are we educationally weak?
We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.
If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.
We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.
Where is our honor and pride my friends?
Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?
We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
prashantdabas
New member
I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.
1) Are we socially deprived?
The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.
2) Are we economically weak?
We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.
3) Are we educationally weak?
We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.
If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.
We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.
Where is our honor and pride my friends?
Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?
We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
1) Are we socially deprived?
The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.
2) Are we economically weak?
We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.
3) Are we educationally weak?
We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.
If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.
We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.
Where is our honor and pride my friends?
Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?
We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
sumitjattan
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Bhai Anil ebb thoda thoda samajh mien aaya hai ke kukar angrej 200 aur musalmaan 1100 Saale raj karge "......... iss desh Kaa kuch Nhi hosakta kisse ke aage haddi feko wohe sab kuch Bhool jaa hai ......Bhaad mein Gaya désh ..... congrats all on becoming backward
anilsangwan
Active member
Thank you for bringing the thread back on track, Vipin.
Another angle to look at is, the opposition of this reservation by other castes and thus, the possible set back to Congress.
Yesterday there were such protests in Bhiwani and I am sure at other places too. These people might harm Congress prospects- esp Yadav votes as they have been the biggest beneficiary of OBC reservation. See the news below:
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Another angle to look at is, the opposition of this reservation by other castes and thus, the possible set back to Congress.
Yesterday there were such protests in Bhiwani and I am sure at other places too. These people might harm Congress prospects- esp Yadav votes as they have been the biggest beneficiary of OBC reservation. See the news below:
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anilsangwan
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Bhai please read my post above this post :suspicion: .... I dont think Khangress will benefit from this step. Reservation is not going down well with other castes.
Rahi baat backward hone ki - to bhai agar is mein community ka bhala ho raha hai to backward sahi. Ye Yadav dekh le bhai.... har medical college mein inke e naam paawein sein list mein...... OBC ka full faayda thaa re sein..... apne bhaiyaa ne mil jaaga to ke nuksaan s..... haan lekin zameer nahi bechna.... Khangress ko vote bilkul nahi...!
Rahi baat backward hone ki - to bhai agar is mein community ka bhala ho raha hai to backward sahi. Ye Yadav dekh le bhai.... har medical college mein inke e naam paawein sein list mein...... OBC ka full faayda thaa re sein..... apne bhaiyaa ne mil jaaga to ke nuksaan s..... haan lekin zameer nahi bechna.... Khangress ko vote bilkul nahi...!
sumitjattan
New member
very good analysis Prashant from past. it's very clear that it's a political lollipop to overcast the non governance of last 10 years ..... If we behave like the majority of members behaving here god can only save our community .... future is not so bright ..principles seem to a word of past for jats
My only concern is how many castes came out of backwardness after getting reservation since independence ..... we have already pardoned the congress for all scams and misdeeds as we become backward ..... I am not backward , I will always remain Jat .....
My only concern is how many castes came out of backwardness after getting reservation since independence ..... we have already pardoned the congress for all scams and misdeeds as we become backward ..... I am not backward , I will always remain Jat .....