How can Jats influence General Elections 2014?

[anilsangwan]

Hooda and his son can not be called as "Jat leaders". "Getting Jats an OBC status" was a metter of "do or die" for them to save their face in upcoming elections.

They themselves say that they are postmen of Madam Sonia. Tomorrow, if the Italian blonde goes to Italy ( likely to go after Modi comes to power and starts investigations against all deeds of Madam, her daughter and son-in-law) then Hooda and his son will be jobless. Postmen will not have any letters to distribute :victorious: :victorious:

Was INLD a national party, or BLD or JDS ? Chaudhary sahab & Tau both became PM & D.PM respectively. Those were the glories of Jat leadership not Hooda. Let me see if in history we would remember Devilal/Charan Singh more or Hooda being a pro-Jat leader.

 

[samarkadian]

If your discussion starts with a decision that Congress is a pro-Jat party, Hooda is only pro-Jat leader & reservation is only a pro-Jat courtesy then is there any point in giving facts about others being pro-Jat or not.

Yes there is point. I never mentioned pro-jat in that screening. I meant anti-jat. So that tactical voting can be done too. Its your imperative to infer that I say congress is pro-party but yes providing reservation is not Anti-JAt. So how Hooda is an Anti-Jat leader according to your facts? I assume you are a Haryanvi Jat with your constituency in Haryana state.

 

[pawandahiya]

Yes, Chautala senior always tried to play safe on Jat reservation front and it will cost his party dear. If not much this time, then for sure in future as people will realize the benefits of OBC status with time.

However, calling him Anti-Jat because of Meham Kaand or Kandela Kaand or Kadma Kaand ( btw it happened during Bhajan Lal regime - pls correct your facts) etc is not right to decide whether he is anti-jat or not. Reservation issue only comes under that category.

For that matter - even Bansilal ordered firing in Mandhiali ( Satnali) and several farmers were killed - he can not be called anti Jat purely on the basis of this.

During regime of Chautala if some commitment was made to/for a jat, Chautala ensured it got done. However there is no such pro-jat in both Chautala or Hoods Saab. If kaands are parameter then Hooda showed his biased nature when Gohana kaand happened. Just reservation doesn't mean he is pro jat. He has given it to bishnoi, rors also.

 

[rathiji]

Sumit, I think the context of Narender Ji's post is irrespective to the party. Yes caste is ''a'' big factor among other ones. Had it not been, most party won't have fielded that caste candidates. A Jat party at national level is still a dream though.

I am not talking about a Jat Party at national level. What I am trying to say is a local/state party with Jat leadership consolidating Jat votes and negotiating with central parties. Like Mayawati do using UP Schedule castes , Devilal did it with Haryana Jats. Jats in Haryana have an option of INLD while at UP level RLD is no more a decisive force. They merely will fight on 8 seats out of 80 only 10%.

 

[virj]

Nothing wrong but good only in theory. Highly unrealistic in implementation.

Mirchpur ploy was more of Shailja's if you look closely. It was not on Hooda's invitation they came over. However I am not advocating him on Mirchpur. But don;t you think reservation is going to help millions of the Jat youth ? If such thing is that benefitial what is the need of think beyond it.

OK Mirchpur was Shailja's ploy but he couldn't do anything for us and that is my point. Economic reservation is OK if implemented properly but then it will be hard for them to do caste politics.

Reservation is not an end what after that? I dont know about Chautala's take on reservation but what I know is he had given lots of jobs to Jats in the past. And again if you read my post carefully I am not comparing Hooda and Chautala.

 

[rathiji]

Hooda and his son can not be called as "Jat leaders". "Getting Jats an OBC status" was a metter of "do or die" for them to save their face in upcoming elections.

They themselves say that they are postmen of Madam Sonia. Tomorrow, if the Italian blonde goes to Italy ( likely to go after Modi comes to power and starts investigations against all deeds of Madam, her daughter and son-in-law) then Hooda and his son will be jobless. Postmen will not have any letters to distribute :victorious: :victorious:

Agar Damaad yaha reh gaya to property dealing to kar hi lenge baap bete. :victorious:

 

[samarkadian]

Yes, Chautala senior always tried to play safe on Jat reservation front and it will cost his party dear. Economy based reservation, though can do wonders, but is not practically possible in Indian context. If not much this time, then for sure in future as people will realize the benefits of OBC caste based status with time.

However, calling him Anti-Jat because of Meham Kaand or Kandela Kaand or Kadma Kaand ( btw it happened during Bhajan Lal regime - pls correct your facts) etc is not right to decide whether he is anti-jat or not. Reservation issue only comes under that category.

For that matter - even Bansilal ordered firing in Mandhiali ( Satnali) and several farmers were killed - he can not be called anti Jat purely on the basis of this.

Thats right. My mistake for quoting kaand.

Thats what I am trying to say. This guy Subodh from TOI has been following Jat reservation. This articles seems to ridicule and challenge us in a way that we are not force to reckon with the way it used to. Thaty I mentioned anti-jat criteria.

 

[rathiji]

Nothing wrong but good only in theory. Highly unrealistic in implementation.

Mirchpur ploy was more of Shailja's if you look closely. It was not on Hooda's invitation they came over. However I am not advocating him on Mirchpur. But don;t you think reservation is going to help millions of the Jat youth ? If such thing is that benefitial what is the need of think beyond it.

The fact of the matter is that he can't go against Shailja too if Madam is behind her, if the step is pro-Jat or anti-Jat. He has to abide by it there is no other option.

 

[virj]

During regime of Chautala if some commitment was made to/for a jat, Chautala ensured it got done. However there is no such pro-jat in both Chautala or Hoods Saab. If kaands are parameter then Hooda showed his biased nature when Gohana kaand happened. Just reservation doesn't mean he is pro jat. He has given it to bishnoi, rors also.

Yes that is a good point that he has given reservation to Bishnoi and Ror and to Punjabis as well. As i mentioned earlier Congress cannot ignore other castes just for us where as INLD can.

 

[anilsangwan]

Property dealing bhi mushkil s bhai....... ...Ke bera Inn ne bhi bahut job scam / land scam kare honge......Ughaad ughdenge sarkaar jaaye paachhe !! :livid: ---- Sr. Chautala also went to Jail only after he was out of power...

Agar Damaad yaha reh gaya to property dealing to kar hi lenge baap bete. :victorious:

 

[pawandahiya]

Agar Damaad yaha reh gaya to property dealing to kar hi lenge baap bete. :victorious:

Rathi bhai These are consequences that may occur if congress is out of govt.

Hooda in case of Vadra had called him small farmer, clearly showing his loyalty for madam. He mostly grabbed land from jats and threw it at take away prices to small time farmers like vadra.

 

[samarkadian]

The fact of the matter is that he can't go against Shailja too if Madam is behind her, if the step is pro-Jat or anti-Jat. He has to abide by it there is no other option.

In a way he went. NCBC member Saini was/is an insider of Shailja. Ajit and Hooda did enough to the high command and cabinet.

 

[anilsangwan]

Also, besides SBC reservation, Hooda gave 10% reservation to all based on their 'economical condition' ....

.................when it can be given by Hooda for 10% based on economy and has been implemented.... How can we say that Chautala was completely wrong?

Ya fir Hooda ne jo 10% diya hai wo galat hai ??

Yes that is a good point that he has given reservation to Bishnoi and Ror and to Punjabis as well. As i mentioned earlier Congress cannot ignore other castes just for us where as INLD can.

 

[rathiji]

Yes there is point. I never mentioned pro-jat in that screening. I meant anti-jat. So that tactical voting can be done too. Its your imperative to infer that I say congress is pro-party but yes providing reservation is not Anti-JAt. So how Hooda is an Anti-Jat leader according to your facts? I assume you are a Haryanvi Jat with your constituency in Haryana state.

Yes, doing a tactical voting is the best option available right now for Haryana Jats. If we talk about Rajasthan & West UP the majority of Jat votes will go to BJP.

I am not saying Hooda is anti-Jat but the same criteria applies to Chautala, They can't be termed anti-Jat because they played safe on reservation issue. The policies are decided by high command in Congress mainly by Gandhi family, the reservation granted by her is not becuase Hooda is a strong Jat leader and Sonia succumbed to his demand. The reservation is a damage control exercise by Congress in which Hooda trying to find his fortunes.

I am not from Harayan but visit quite often.

 

[samarkadian]

Yes, doing a tactical voting is the best option available right now for Haryana Jats. If we talk about Rajasthan & West UP the majority of Jat votes will go to BJP.

I am not saying Hooda is anti-Jat but the same criteria applies to Chautala, They can't be termed anti-Jat because they played safe on reservation issue. The policies are decided by high command in Congress mainly by Gandhi family, the reservation granted by her is not becuase Hooda is a strong Jat leader and Sonia succumbed to his demand. The reservation is a damage control exercise by Congress in which Hooda trying to find his fortunes.

I am not from Harayan but visit quite often.

Thats what I am trying to say. Identifying an anti-jat candidate. Don't take it merely as BJP or RLD or Congress or INLD. Let it be damage control, as far as we are benefitted its grand.

 

[rathiji]

Thats what I am trying to say. Identifying an anti-jat candidate. Don't take it merely as BJP or RLD or Congress or INLD. Let it be damage control, as far as we are benefitted its grand.

There is no question of doubt about getting benefit from reservation. But when it comes to voting reservation alone can't decide, we have to gauge intentions also to safe-gaurd our future. Like told earlier, Congress will never support Jats on cost of other castes or Muslims. We have to keep this in mind while voting.

Summarizing , INLD existence solely depends on Jats while Congress doesn't. So it's up to voter conscience which party can become anti-jat at situations.

Congress is having a track record of using communities & it's leaders for power then thrashing them. Latest example, Reddy's of Andhra. Congress rose to power with AP seats using caste card of YSR & then what happened we know about that.

 

[virj]

We have to take it as Congress or INLD. If we vote based on candidate's merit then its not tactical vote. We have to choose between INLD or Congress and that will decide our long term political clout. Congress has many queens to please and Jats dont want to be just one of them.

 

[rathiji]

In a way he went. NCBC member Saini was/is an insider of Shailja. Ajit and Hooda did enough to the high command and cabinet.

In this case madam was not with Shailja but with reservation.

 

[prashantacmet]

Yes, doing a tactical voting is the best option available right now for Haryana Jats. If we talk about Rajasthan & West UP the majority of Jat votes will go to BJP.

I am not saying Hooda is anti-Jat but the same criteria applies to Chautala, They can't be termed anti-Jat because they played safe on reservation issue. The policies are decided by high command in Congress mainly by Gandhi family, the reservation granted by her is not becuase Hooda is a strong Jat leader and Sonia succumbed to his demand. The reservation is a damage control exercise by Congress in which Hooda trying to find his fortunes.

I am not from Harayan but visit quite often.

Bhai rathi..mahol badal raha hai west UP main iss reservation ki wajah se....jat dheere dheere wapas aa rahe hai...isse ajeet singh ho to jayda faayda nahi hoga...par BJP -RLD ki ladai main SP aale mulla jeet sakte hai(SP ne west UP main 80% mullo ko ticket diya hai)...jat confuse hai..aur iss kaarna dossri biradri bhi confuse hai..mahree gaam ke baahman kah rahe hai ke bhai chahe ajeet singh ku vote duwa lo ya fer BJP wale ku..par SP aala nahi hona chaiye....ghad-mad ho raha hai sab

 

[spdeshwal]

In My opinion, Chautalas have done nothing for Jats but used or rather I would say misused Jats!
Bhupener Hooda, as Anil said, had no option but help through the Reservation, so deserve some sympathy! Otherwise, never even pretended to be pro Jat!
Ajit Singh was not there when Jats needed moral support! Rater, he was more worried about loosing some Muslim votes!
I believe, in the past Chaudhry Bansilal did more for the Jats then the current leaders!

Cheers!