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abhinavdudi said:
Well for sure my religion is not HINDU, the religion laid by Brahmins is not MY religion, I am VEDIC by heart and by deeds... Now being vedic demands of me to be in condominioum with all sections of society and all religions....
Well yes, Kooran does speak of Kafirs, and a Kafir for your kind information Mr. Malik aka VHP activist, is one who does not believe in God, and God for them is one... they don't have different manifestations and resulting cnfusions, they don't have a Ram, a Krishna, A Devi Mata, a Lakshmi for wealth, a Hanuman for strength, a Sarswati for wisdom.... all craps are filled up in VHP's rule books!!! They don't even exisit in MY VEDIC RELIGION!!!
Mr. Malik, please don't use this forum for your personal political bend, and to preach RSS and VHP.... you become much more radical than those people who want to live in peace till people like you harm them.....
I am sure if today you get out and see a muslim, you sure will assault him!!!! And thus you become a terrorist and make a terrorist of a peace loving dear muslim!!!
So chill... this is not a political stand out!!! VHP, BJP, RSS.. all of them can be addressed out of this forum and your mentors, Pravin Togadia and Ashok Singhal are doing it... You need not raise your neck!!!
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This comment is one of the most weired comment i have ever gone through.
You are not a hindu but a vedic.. oh what a sick joke. You hate Hinduism but love Vedicism, what do you wanna say. It appears as someone saying i love sanskrit but i hate hindi. A totally baseless personal analysis and bias.

You didnt read my posts carefully. I have never said i hate Islam or Muslims but i hate 'radical' Islam and 'radical' muslims. I hate that radical Islam which is Taliban dominated just like you hate that Hinduism which is brahmin dominated, got something. Now by calling Ramayan, Geeta and Mahabharat the mythical scriptures you have certainly challenged the foundation of Hinduism. Hinduism is not a personal phylosophical scripture of 'Jesus Christ' or 'Prophet Mohammed'. Its not a theory of a single person but the combined living science of the Universe. Hinduism is a relegion of choice, you have freedom to choose whatever you want. Who have asked you to follow Brahmin dominated practices, go for Vedicism i.e Arya Samaj.
I am an Arya Samaji but i m not taught to disrespect other beliefs and faiths just like you are doing by criticising VHP and allies.

Vedicism is a theory comprising Hinduism, Jainism and Bhuddhism. Arya Smaj is a part of Hinduism and Hinduism is the succesor to Vedicism in the modern world. Now coming back to the topic, the original Islam has been hijacked by the Taliban dominated radical Islam. Now Mr. Dudi i know what i'll do with a common muslim on the road but i would ask you to go to the radicals' dominated land and i dont need to know what they'll do to you i have seen many times in TV.

Your support for Islam is appreciable but no one yes 'no one' on this planet can deny the truth that the terrorism in India is the result of extreme tolerance, cowardy nature, blind and partial thinking of the Hindus. Oh i forget to say you lie in the same list. One thing more the VHP which you were criticising so hard have saved millions of Hindus world wide from the bloody extremist jaws of these radicals. The same VHP and its allies has helped thousands in natural calamity, in terrorist attacks, during communal clashes. They dont discriminate Hindus on their practices which you do. The time has come to open the eyes but the people like you still prefer to live in dreams.

Next time better you represent basic facts and arguments if you have, to offend me and to defend yourself.
 
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rkumar said:
Dear Mr Malik,

Its no use calling names. We all know that Indian government has not been treating all its sections of population equally. This is why we see caste based reservations, hajj subsidy, minority institution acts etc.. tell me how these problems can be solved? Do you think these are the root problems and not manifestations of other deeper problems? How come all these problems are raised when BJP is out of power and then not a word when they get power? Does that mean the problems are part of political game? Don't you think all terrorists of world have political masters and they need each other for their survival? Please put your views scientifically and logically without getting into calling names..

RK^2
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RK sir, you have reflected valid facts to defend. But these facts have become a daily chorus for the people and the we(the people of India) believes in accepting then analyzing rather than analyzing then accepting.
I wont say Govt. is responsible for whatever discrimination is happening weather it is caste-based, ethinic or relegious. The problem lie in the Indian society which has become so mentally stubborn that one cant feed anything better in their approach.
Terrorism again is the result of political failure. These handful of extremists always succeeds in their radical fundametal deeds due to the political instability in the system. The whole system is currupted, everything is divided. People are unable to trust each other then how can they trust the govt. Elections have become the political games. There is nothing like civilized atmosphere in the nation. India need a renassance, we must wake up now and we must act now otherwise we'll wonder with our lost generations.
 
If I provide the answers for all the above questions, is everyone going to shut up. I have the answers to all the questions. I just do not want to waste 30 minutes of my life answering a stupid post with no end in sight. So if everyone promises me that my answers will conclude this thread I will happily give away 30 minutes of my life. :)
 
dahiyarules said:
If I provide the answers for all the above questions, is everyone going to shut up. I have the answers to all the questions. I just do not want to waste 30 minutes of my life answering a stupid post with no end in sight. So if everyone promises me that my answers will conclude this thread I will happily give away 30 minutes of my life. :)
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I am still waiting your answers to my earlier questions on evil vs. government. You have not answered if terrorists (freedom fighters according to you) will ensure government less society. Has any freedom movement anywhere in world lead to a government less society? Evils came because of governments or other way? Please answer my these questions first before you give your concluding remarks..

RK^2
 
yashmalik said:
RK sir, you have reflected valid facts to defend. But these facts have become a daily chorus for the people and the we(the people of India) believes in accepting then analyzing rather than analyzing then accepting.
I wont say Govt. is responsible for whatever discrimination is happening weather it is caste-based, ethinic or relegious. The problem lie in the Indian society which has become so mentally stubborn that one cant feed anything better in their approach.
Terrorism again is the result of political failure. These handful of extremists always succeeds in their radical fundametal deeds due to the political instability in the system. The whole system is currupted, everything is divided. People are unable to trust each other then how can they trust the govt. Elections have become the political games. There is nothing like civilized atmosphere in the nation. India need a renassance, we must wake up now and we must act now otherwise we'll wonder with our lost generations.
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Dear Mr Malik,

Ruling class does not act based upon its emotions. Its only people likes us who get emotional on slightest issue. There are no sharp boundaries between politicians, businessmen, freedom fighters/ terrorists. Story is almost same all over world and India is no different. Can you name any political party in India or anywhere in world, which has no links with anti-social elements? There are peripheral people in every political party world over who have their hands in all sorts of things. Most of the 9/11 trade tower terrorists were Saudis. Have Americans taken any action against Saudi government? Its like rural proverb that jab kumahar ki kumhari pe paar na basave to wo gadhe ke kaan ja anthe se..
Look at world through plain glasess my friend...you will see all true colours..

RK^2
 
I cannot resist once again reacting to original post on Hinduism. Has anyone ever thought of where from Muslims came into India? Are they not the one who changed their religion? Why did majority of them change to Islam? Don't you think they had already hard feelings against a large local Indian population? Why did that happen? Have we ever thought of that and changed our ways to deal with our fellow Hindus? Are we treating lower caste Hindus any better even today? Do we allow them equal religious rights in our temples? Don't we go to housetops and shout if any so called upper caste Hindu girl marries a scheduled caste Hindu? If so, then what moral rights we have to complain against Muslims who were Hindus at some stage in past and got converted to Islam because of poor treatment?

RK^2
 
Rk ji

Very good posts.

You have really explained the root cause of terrorism and exterimism ie Corrupt power hungry politicians that use this to garner a vote bank one for and one against.

Some parties controlled by lalas and other groups have nothing to offer to farmers and poor people but do need their votes to capture power.The best game they play is this communalism where they need not to offer any thing good but hate and can reap reach harvest in terms of votes.This is the irony of India that we have such morally bankrupt politicians who always manage to get power by inciting hate between brothers.

Alas INDIA could have more sons like CHOUDHARY CHOTTU RAM who fought for good of common man and kept communalism out of politics.
 
comeon guys, stop this crap!

all relegions r gud as far as their followes dont interpret their ruls n regulations wrongly; their is no harm in being radical but at the same time we shud respect other relegions too.

Dudi bhai, agreed with u that Islam is very gud relegion but definatly not all the redical muslims... if not then why most of the terrorism in spreaded by muslims & what about their society, why they put so much impractical inhuman restrictions to their ppl specially women.

Well, Relegions r formed to live life in peace & harmony with discipline but today I feel so low to see that ppl r killing each other in the name of relegion, like the scorpions song, coz we're live under the same sun, we walk under the same moon, they why cant we live as one.

Here I guess we're not talkin about relegions, right! we're discussing about the evil curse of the humanity, Terrorism!

I need one anwer here, why most of terrorim in this world not only India, is been supported n spreaded by extremist Muslims. Even why Sia & Sunni muslims r hungry for each other's blood??

In last I just want to say that I myself believe that Islam is a very gud faith & relegion but most of the muslims r extremist & being brain washed by evil fundamantlist so we have to find the way out & stope them to be terrorist as above all they r also human like us.

One more thing, Hindus r also goin in same direction, as being misguided same way by fundamantlist & politicans so we have hindu terrorist groups like RSS, VHP & Bajrang Dal, so all in all fundamantlist & politicans are culprit who makes that negative diffrence.

thats it!

Regards,
Himanshu.

PS -> Im a proud Jat & Sports is my relegion!
 
Bahut badhiya Manoj

Manoj ,

bhai ye tere apne vichaar ho ya chahe kahi suney huye baat mein bahut dum hai.

Did you mentione " kill muslims" anywhere ? couple of members seem to be reacting as if you did , you know the athiest types. I have muslims freinds & I am sure that you must have had atleast one in your lifetime.

I think sometimes standing up for yourself is perceived as being intolerant or violent. Big difference ? There's no harm in stating the facts . Keep it up.

I think the whole idea of providing privilages is an integral part of our social values , Jais batwaare mein chhotey ki uuchhal hoti hai , waise hi minorities ko visheshadhikaar milta hai aur uska khoob jamke durupyog bhi ho raha hai.

like a member of our jatland loves to our MILITARY MEN , terrorists.

Waise Raskhan humney bhi padha hai , Javed Akhtar bhi bahut pasand hai , Naushaad ke gaaney bhi bahut pasand hai mujhey. Lekin agar gintee ke famous 100 logo ki wajah se hum sabko achha maan saktey hain to mere hisaab se muslim terrorists ki gintee bhi karwayee jaani chahiye.
 
hi manoj

:) pal
dont play in the hands of R.S.S, coz a lot of muslims r jats. it is detrimental for our unity. u sd read sir chottu ram.
regards.
 
rathee369 said:
Manoj ,

bhai ye tere apne vichaar ho ya chahe kahi suney huye baat mein bahut dum hai.

Did you mentione " kill muslims" anywhere ? couple of members seem to be reacting as if you did , you know the athiest types. I have muslims freinds & I am sure that you must have had atleast one in your lifetime.

I think sometimes standing up for yourself is perceived as being intolerant or violent. Big difference ? There's no harm in stating the facts . Keep it up.

I think the whole idea of providing privilages is an integral part of our social values , Jais batwaare mein chhotey ki uuchhal hoti hai , waise hi minorities ko visheshadhikaar milta hai aur uska khoob jamke durupyog bhi ho raha hai.

like a member of our jatland loves to our MILITARY MEN , terrorists.

Waise Raskhan humney bhi padha hai , Javed Akhtar bhi bahut pasand hai , Naushaad ke gaaney bhi bahut pasand hai mujhey. Lekin agar gintee ke famous 100 logo ki wajah se hum sabko achha maan saktey hain to mere hisaab se muslim terrorists ki gintee bhi karwayee jaani chahiye.
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I totally agree .....
 
hi abhinav dudi

feel sorry if i hurt u some where in my post.......... but my only purpose is to made all the hindu unite and we should fight for our equal right (whi ch every citizen must have ) malik has given a good answer to u abt my post...... no matter what u think abt me its is an open debate..... but pl point out where i am wrong
 
ruk kyon gaye..............

bhaio....... mera irada kesi bhi bhai ke bhawnao ko tesh puchane ka nahin hai ...... main to sirf tumne jite jagte sabut diye the..... koi bhi inko galt sabit kar sakta hai to batoo.............. mujghe bhi sabse prem hai..... par pher bhi kuch isaa tha jo teek nahin tha..... mane thare liye bej diya ..... isme kai bhai to naaraj hoge...... kai bhaiya ne teek bataya..........mera dukh yo se ke hum ek rai kab denge............ regards to all
 
Bhai Manoj,

Bahut achha likha hai, ab ismey kisi ko bura lagega to tum kya karogey.
Bahut se log esey hai jo apney Dharm ko Bura bata kae apney ko accha sabit karney ki kosis kartey hai. Bhai vo bhee Hindu rahtey hua, mere vichar me pahley onhai dharm badalna chahiay fir kuchh kahna chahiay.

RK sir ne likha hai ke muslim Radha-Krishana Gaatey hai. Sir, wo log gintti key
hai lekin Majaroo per janey waley Hindu aaj bhee Lakhoo mey hai.

Dunia main Hindu Dharm ne sabka aader(respect) kiya hai. Aaj bhee hindu
Masjid, Church or Majar per ser jhukata hai.

I am sorry if I hurt somebody.

With Regards
Karmveer Chahal
 
dahiyarules said:
If I provide the answers for all the above questions, is everyone going to shut up. I have the answers to all the questions. I just do not want to waste 30 minutes of my life answering a stupid post with no end in sight. So if everyone promises me that my answers will conclude this thread I will happily give away 30 minutes of my life. :)
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Dahiya Bhai this post sounds like you are a self appointed judge on this post.
Why donot you give your answers and let others discuss that...or is there a protocol that no one can speak after you. Donot be a self appointed dictator, if you have answers let others judge your logic and discuss it.
 
shamshermalik said:
Dahiya Bhai this post sounds like you are a self appointed judge on this post.
Why donot you give your answers and let others discuss that...or is there a protocol that no one can speak after you. Donot be a self appointed dictator, if you have answers let others judge your logic and discuss it.
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dont bother, he sometimes over react !
 
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