women respect:where do we stand

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I am glad at least we have you Poonam who took the lead to say something like that.

Poonam Said: Why should we even discuss this issue in context of women???

Exactly...the very question of women respect: where do we stand is an insult...If you think like that believe me you stand stand no where
 
Hi Poona,

What you say is very true. Maybe reena's expectations are unrealistic i.e. expecting every man she meets will respect her..that may or may not happen.

I think reena's has questioned the mindset and attitudes towards women.

When one lives in an environment one cant help but get effected by it.

How do indian women (rural and urban) feel about her status in Indian Society irrelevent of how they feel about themselves ??

And lets compare the lives of women living in the West to that of Women in India....Is there a comparison ?? I dont think so.

Deepak
 
Antil bro
true. We are not perfect... but people just forget it when it comes to raising fingers at others, cause when we do so we forget 3 are pointing towards us
 
Why should Respect be a sole property of WOMEN? and why to be so restless to get it? If your deeds are worthy you'll earn it no matter what....but please don't BE ALL PREPARED AND EXPECT TO GET IT....and yes i can go on and on to answer some hidden KIDDISH comments....BUT I HATE TO JUSTIFY MYSELF....had stopped doing it quite long back that i dont even remember EXACTLY WHEN?:D :p
 
Agree with you on almost all points:) And to Reena....Why to expect to be Respected? and Why to give a chance to be Betrayed?
trueblueindian said:
well after going through the thread i have a mixed openion... lemme share it with you all.

this thread also reminded me of a famous title - men are from mars... women are from venus :rolleyes: :D

Reena - i guess wot you have tried to voice out sounds to be very immature... reasons-

1. wy one has to generalise things.
2. gud or bad every socitey has same elements, like ritu bae said.
3. some things you mentioned appear to be a part of sick physchology.
4. i wonder you actually belive in all wot you said. plz share if you have been subjected to such treatments, megrley quoting all this coz of "I FEEL" factor dosent satisfy your statements and judgements.
5. preconcieved notions only would help u reach destruction in life.... if i may say so... u belive in gud and gud is all wot u will recieve frm life.... n that includes men.

you mean to say that sexual desires and perversion is a trade only restricted to men.... NOPES ... u r absolutely wrong... we all know how many MMS's videos of indian girls circle the web each single day... who are they... aliens??

seat in bus - tou bhai jisko dikkat ho mat baitha karo uss seat par... yea tou suna tha akk ladka seat isliyea offer karta ho ki he wants to impress... this is the latest addition to my info..

and many more things

Reena my sincere advices - - plz take out this hatred for men from your mind.. it would benefit you a lot in future...

hemant - on certian things i agree to you... but then disagree also.... voilence is not the answer... though i agree voilence does happen and at times it is uncontrolabble.... also the thing i liked in your post is - respect is something you get / earn and not snatch... woh snatch waali waah aae howe sei akk muh pae polite arr pacchhe tae gaali... if any girl is dreaming for that kind of respect she may hurt her own life... whoose losss????:rolleyes: :D

I WOULD like to ask all - byah maraan (HITTING) tahi karya tha key.... naaa nahi karya thaa....... buttt.... byah naas thawan tahi bhi konya karvaya tha... arrr kaun karrey sei bhai naas ka suagat... yeah baatey kehene mei acchhi lagti hai... practically nahi.... name one man who married to hit.... hahahhahaa... yea muhawara sei jibb do pariwaaro mei baat hoya karrey suljhaade khattar.... arr abb yuo bhi generealise ho liya sei ....

jitni jaroorat aek aurat ko rishtaey ki hoti hai utni hi aek admi ko bhi hoti hai... (THE NEED HAS TO BE EQUAL - FOR A PERFECT RELATIONSHIP) the day one realises that thers nothing more or nothing less .... life is a bed of roses...


manjeeta - MEN is a breed that dosent only include your friends / boyfriends / classmates... they are a integral part of your life in roles of your brother / husband / father... should you be feeling same for them... its O.K. carry on... not your fault then... if not then plz do not generalise things... KEY THAAA LIYA TERRA UNNN CHORRYA NAE.. you dont sound to have met every single male on this earth to be judgemental.

vivek - u know i agree wid u also.... hahahaha;) :D

vikas - yeah man u rite... every river has two sides to it... so why complain..

sumit - even am a excelent cook...:D n no woman has ever satisfied my taste buds tooo.. haaan kaha bahut baar hoga ... juss to motivate them or to genuinely thank them for effort and luv shown... but then if thers a woman whoose a homemaker wots wrong in expecting her to work...?/// rather it should not be expected... the day one starts expecting.. things start to turn BAD... rather its mutual in that case ... coz a family is run by both a husband and a wife and the moment 1 of the 2 dosent does execute his/her responsiblity properly... problems are natural to arise...

A KAAMWAALI BAI is a fashion statement in india........... WHY... yess if a women is working and like a man cant do house hold chores she shouldnt aswell or if shes ill or have physical problems its all gud.. but i dot see any point a HOMEMAKER lady having assistence of all sorts... all she would achive is bad health.. and bad health is a step for a bad state of mind and further more to bad relationship.... "khallli dimaag shaitaan ka ghar" - this is in reffrence to normal indian household... also how many americans or westren ppl have domestic help.... not even .5%... dont we have homemaker women out there - COST IS NOT THE ONLY CONCERN - as few would have jumped to conclusion... hehehehehe

MY take - we all are humans and not "SUPER HUMANS" so we should be just worried about our duties and responsiblities in our own lives and the ppl around you would be happy automatically... like - - thamm apna kaaam karoo aur doosroo ko apna karan dyo..

at times i feel little out of the place - kahi suno nari shakti ki buland awaaz and kahi par complaning and bechari figure... wy dont these ppl educate women to earn respect instead of claming for it..also the same ppl should come forward and eductae all sick men also... after all working just wid women cant help this issue... yaaaa tae waah aae baat hogi akk chahiyea sabbb kimm arr karna khuch nahi... bhai poorana principle hai - aek haath dyo arr doosre haath lyo...

+ this women issue is just like caste / land politics in india and politicions seem to earn a rich bread out of this too... the only harm is that in place of our women getting enlightened they are becoming more offensive which is certianlly not good for the socitey... wot do ppl say on this????

according to me a CONSTRUCTIVE AND POSITIVE APPROACH CAN ONLY HELP

LAST - WHY THIS SEXUAL DIVIDE - just like cast / creed / nationality / relegion this divide will hurt our allready ailing socitey a lot... i wonder WHO ARE THE PEOPLE CREATING THIS AND WOT DO THEY ACHIVE.. lets spread peace love harmony.

I may have sounded to be suggestive in this post many a times - it just says my mind on this topic and again plz plz dont be judgemental and am no preacher....... :)
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sunitahooda said:

If your deeds are worthy you'll earn it no matter what....but please don't BE ALL PREPARED AND EXPECT TO GET IT....
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I absolutely agree...:) Things go verse when we expect a lot and our near and dear ones are not able to give us returns on expectations
 
JUST DON'T EXPECT....and trust or not i'll not IMPOSE myself on someone EVEN IF I RESPECT SOMEONE TO AN EXTENT OF WORSHIPING NOT ONLY RESPECTIN':D if you want to respect someone respect....why to expect respect in return?:p
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I absolutely agree...:) Things go verse when we expect a lot and our near and dear ones are not able to give us returns on expectations
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poonam said:
We definitely stand way higher than in Middle East...!!!!..:D

Well, that was in good humor but true.

Why should we even discuss this issue in context of women?
Each and every one of us (regardless of gender) is entitled to respect worthy of his/her integrity.

It truly pisses me off when I see threads like this (Sorry Reena, don’t intend to offend you). I would face the world my way and if I deserve respect no one could ever stop me from “earning” it.

We talk about women liberation and gender equality then why do we expect a “special treatment” from the opposing gender? Just treat us the way they treat fellow men!!!!
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I am in complete agreement with you Poonam that in the current scenario of woman liberation and gender equality, we shouldn’t be seeking for any special treatment from the opposite gender. But it’s not about few women on Jatland….we (women on Jatland) are getting due respect from the men in our lives because of various reasons…best known to us…;) But what about women from weaker section… Are they respected well? In fact they are getting dominated and ill treated not respected.

True, respect is earned not demanded…..we get it only if we deserve it….but what’s the mistake of a lady who is standing at one side of road and waiting for the traffic to slow down so that she can cross it and she ends up getting embarrassed after seeing 2 cars stopped in front of her sending obscene invitation … what’s her fault… Does she not deserve respect?
 
This is due to a bad habit that MODERN GIRLS have adopted....showin'thumb and asking for LIFT? who wont wish to walk few yards or miles and seeks an easy solutions....so other ladies who are not like them are treated same way...BUT we can always EXPRESS WHAT WE WANT AND WE DONT WANT....ALSO THAT WE DON'T ACCEPT s*** JUST LIKE THAT:mad: :o :( :p
manjeemalik said:
I am in complete agreement with you Poonam that in the current scenario of woman liberation and gender equality, we shouldn’t be seeking for any special treatment from the opposite gender. But it’s not about few women on Jatland….we (women on Jatland) are getting due respect from the men in our lives because of various reasons…best known to us…;) But what about women from weaker section… Are they respected well? In fact they are getting dominated and ill treated not respected.

True, respect is earned not demanded…..we get it only if we deserve it….but what’s the mistake of a lady who is standing at one side of road and waiting for the traffic to slow down so that she can cross it and she ends up getting embarrassed after seeing 2 cars stopped in front of her sending obscene invitation … what’s her fault… Does she not deserve respect?
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I believe basic respect/courtsy is expected from every social human being....

Cause if they dont have courtsy, respect and a sense then why do we even call them human? After all.... we all work throughout the life to built a respect, a name throughout our lives so that we leave a positive impression after we are gone from this world and it remembers us as a soft spoken, kindhearted man

If we should not expect RESPECT from anyone in return then dont you think we should delete this thread..... Kyu reena ji?
 
Oh i see....now the TOPIC is being converted....ARE WE COURTEOUS/CHIVALROUS HUMANBEINGS OR FIENDS? Hence nomore discussions about WOMEN RESPECT:WHERE DO WE STAND....so everyone first try to be a HUMAN then a MAN or A WOMAN....THEN START EXPECTING....AS IT SUITS YOUR EDUCATED BRAINS:p ;)
 
Men and Women are two sides of coin,,,, each one have their own value,importance n respect and the imp thing is that they r totally unuseful without other,,, why r u still made this thread a rubber band,,,, In now world no village is of that type where Husband beat his wife,,, as per my best knowledge I never saw these type of case in my life,,, if someone do this than these is the sickness n misunderstanding of both,,,, aur kise ne sach kaha hai agar " Samaaj ko badlana hai toh pehle khud ko badlo",,,,
Duniyaa mein kya bura hai kya kharab hai bass dekhne ka hisaab hai",,,,,,
Mere papa kehte hai kabhi apne se kamjor par haath mat uthao,,use pyar se samjhao,,,, aur mera toh manana hai ki "Mard kabhi aurat par haath nahi uthate,,, abh jo haath uthaate hai wo khud hi samajh le woh kya hai":eek:

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I am in complete agreement with you Poonam that in the current scenario of woman liberation and gender equality, we shouldn’t be seeking for any special treatment from the opposite gender. But it’s not about few women on Jatland….we (women on Jatland) are getting due respect from the men in our lives because of various reasons…best known to us…;) But what about women from weaker section… Are they respected well? In fact they are getting dominated and ill treated not respected.

True, respect is earned not demanded…..we get it only if we deserve it….but what’s the mistake of a lady who is standing at one side of road and waiting for the traffic to slow down so that she can cross it and she ends up getting embarrassed after seeing 2 cars stopped in front of her sending obscene invitation … what’s her fault… Does she not deserve respect?
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use pedestrain crossing,, in this situation,,,:)
 
Kuch Sahi Kuch Galat

More than half of rape cases in India are not even registered....
We still have some men beating women in villages

but then it takes 2 to clap!!

N i dont think we deviated anywhere from the topic... we have been talking about respect with regards to their woman and what all it takes for a woman to earn respect and social status
 
well reena, i read your thoughts and very true at some points but why you forget the acts by girls' side....what about those girls who are accepted in family like their own daughters and those girls only make the whole happy environment as a nightmare for others...why don't you think if a woman is asked to do something what her husband feels right, why she oppose him and his family members if the thing is right...you know why so....as she want to take hold on every person...like to see her own dictatorship.....and rest about physical torture then it is not in jat community but can also be seen in other communities.....ladkiyan bhi bahaut smart ho gayi hain aajkal.....but still main bhi iss baat ko support nahin karti ki man should have full right to say or behave in any manner with his lady.....and if you talk about guys then what all you said about them is also very true....but not in everyone's case......look at the other side also...ladkiyan khud kahan kahan pahaunchi hui hain....ek galat ladki ki wajah se dusri ko bhi galat samajh lete hain...wahi baat ladkon ke saath hai.....iss tarah ki baatein to kitni bhi discuss kar lo....lekin one thing is sure girls are no less than guys.....people are trying to change this whole world....agar ladki chalaki se apni baat manwa le to theek nahin to divorce dene ko bhi puri tayyar rahti hai....and even i have heard some cases where smart ladies had made fool a respectable guy and his family......aur haath uthane ki baat ke liye i agree ki men has less tolerance power as compared to women......baaki i said it earlier in one thread "TIME NEVER REMAINS THE SAME"......lekin ladki pahle bhi kamzor thi, aaj bhi hai aur aage bhi rahegi....agar ye sab nahin bardasht hota to ek baar akele rah kar bhi dikha do.....fir ye samaj nahin chodega......issliye ladki ko ladki ki tarah hi rahna chahiye......lekin no...they says now its modern period aur wo ladkon ke barabar hain......respect is in one's own hand.....and one can find those places also where a girl is given entire respect from each and every individual......now i end up here by saying that a man need to have more tolerance power to control his anger and on the other side a woman also need to learn to follow everyone....aur agar baat manwana bhi chahe to she can use the tool of love but not smartness kyunki ye hi kaam bigadti hai....and one more thing i'll add in my views is a female must go through the whole Ramayana...usmein bahaut acche se likhkar samjhaya hua hai ki ek ladki ke kya sanskar hote hain......halanki main khud apne family members ke saath kai baar kisi kisi baat par opposition kar leti hun but at last i get agree with them only and always feel happy with that aur tab samajh mein aata hai ki they all were right, only i was taking it in other sense.....and still keep on trying to match my understanding with them at every moment.....the thing which is making the whole difference is this modernity.....people even change their values with the changing time.
 
yes u r right vikas.....baat thi kuch or or ghuma le gaye kuch or........
hamare hi kissi bhai ke according......"topic kuch or chal raha hai...or jawab kuch or mil raha hai...tabhi to yeh jatland hai"....ha ha ha........
or aap log itne bade ho gaye hai...fir bhi aap me se kuch log iss thread pe kam dhyan de ker aapas mein ek dusre ko comment ker rahe hai indirectly is thread ke thrugh........very bad...............so plz...agar aap logo ko ek dusre per comment kerna hai to yahan apni posts mat daliye.........
rahi baat iss ki ki jaisa yash ne kaha ki aaj ke time me aadmi aurat ko nhn marta....to sara sar galat hai......agar yash tumne yeh nhn dekha....to tum zara aankhen khol ke ek baar dekho to sachchayi nazar aa jayegi.........
dusri baat tumne yaha kya line use ki hai ki apne se kamzor ko mat maaro.......uncle ne kaha to theek hai per wo yahan mat use karo.........
dekho.......main yahi show kerna chahti thi ki aaj bhi aadmi aurat ko kamzor samajhta hai.........jaisa ki tumhari baat ne saabitt kiya.........or wo yeh baat soch ker usse pareshaan kerna chordta nhn....balki or uss per atyachar kerta hai...........
or rahi baat east or west ki to theek hai aaj women jo bahar rehti hai wo bold hai......samna ker sakti hai aadmi ki harkato ko.......per aaj bhi zyada se zyada aurte abhi bhi wahin gaon mein hai....jahan aaj bhi wo nhn bol paati.....
or plz aap log baar baar yeh na kahe ki respect kisko chahiye.....ya kyun expect kare ki aapki respect koi kyun kare.........to jo log aapas mein ek dusre ko comment ker rahe hai wo hi yeh khud dekh le ki wo shayad issi liye aisa ker rahe hai coz unhe kahin na kahin ek dusre ke behaviour se insult mahssos hui hai..............to aap log insaan hai or insaan ki tarah bole.....yeh na kahe ki aap expect nhn kerte ki saamne wala aapki respect kare.................
 
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or rahi baat east or west ki to theek hai aaj women jo bahar rehti hai wo bold hai......samna ker sakti hai aadmi ki harkato ko.......per aaj bhi zyada se zyada aurte abhi bhi wahin gaon mein hai....jahan aaj bhi wo nhn bol paati.....
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I disagree with you Reena ji Like you said that rural women couldnt speak.Its different thing that they much bounded in family tradition or better say society.I would like to share few incidents which i have seen.While standing in market of my village,I saw a lady with ghunghat,carrying a thapi in one hand, and in another hand holding the collar of a man, who misbehaved with her,She gave him fine shots with thapi.My heart filled with reverance for that brave RURAL lady.In another incident in my family,when my grandfather was priosner of war in 1971,some people tried to overtake our land.Not only my grandmother taken this matter to panchayat but also slapped him in open panchyat.A woman is woman, you cant differentiate though living areas,standard might differ but instincts remains same.


and like you said,if there is healthy discussion, we all learn from it, there is nothing like insult as far personal comments are away.You have said rightly,about respect,you respect others,they would respect you.I respect your brave nature for digging out such a bold topic.I'm gaining a lot through it. Thanks.
 
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poonam said:

Why should we even discuss this issue in context of women?
Each and every one of us (regardless of gender) is entitled to respect worthy of his/her integrity.

It truly pisses me off when I see threads like this (Sorry Reena, don’t intend to offend you). I would face the world my way and if I deserve respect no one could ever stop me from “earning” it.

We talk about women liberation and gender equality then why do we expect a “special treatment” from the opposing gender? Just treat us the way they treat fellow men!!!!
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In 100% agreement with you and Gollu ji's multiple replies....... :)

These things haunt whenver one thinkns about such issues raised over n again..... all of this seem to be nothing more than Sexual Divide... gud to know that we have ladies in our socity who think to be treated equal (NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS... thats the way it should be... and do not look forward for a shelter or a soft corner / special treatment.. :eek:

as i said in my earlier posts Respect could not be asked for either it has to be earned or least one has to show him / her self respectful enough to be be respected by world.... megere qualification of being a LADY / WOMAN shall not be the criteriea for being respected ... one has to be deserving to get it full :confused: :rolleyes: :p
 
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