women respect:where do we stand
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choudharyneelam
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hope ki unn aadmiyon ki buddhi theek ho jaaye aur sab ladies ko respect dein.
and such men (whether high dignitaries or just a simple man) need to understand, where a woman is not given respect that place is no less than hell.
but whatever we read in the newspapers or watch at TV that is not wholely correct.....sirf hum log apne gharon ki baaton ko puri tarah se jaan sakte hain...baaki baaton mein to kuch na kuch baat chhupi rah jaati hai.....aur kai baar to apne ghar ki baatein bhi puri nahin pata chalti humein to bahar ka kya kahna.....anyway you started this thread so look out specially for the guys replies about this and i hope that they all will reply with full sincerity.
choudharyneelam
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hmmmmm...then why are you worrying about man's act dear...just look after your man and try to change all his negative thoughts into positive ones and also grab all his good points aur jab ek accha hoga to use dekh kar definitely koi aur kuch accha jaroor seekhega aaj nahin to kal
Well, incidents like that is an ugly integral part of being a woman which I’m sorry to say, you will have to come across where ever u go on earth. The sooner you acknowledge this the better it is. Yet, to our relief, its only a certain set of people with that kind of sick mentality who indulge into activities like this and that certain type would exist anywhere, any part of the globe.
I would like to put forward an analogy to what you said. What is the fault of a Black guy who happens to be there in a whites inhabited area. What is his mistake if he becomes a victim to a racist white guy? In our own very Delhi itself I’ve witnessed people calling names to the migrants from different states say Bihar. What’s the fault of that guy who happens to be a Bihari , comes to a big city for a better career?
This certain set of sick people is everywhere. You can never ever transform them. Each of these incidents is grave and grim in its own way, the only difference being the one you pointed out in context of a woman is sex driven and the analogies I talked about are race and cast driven.
If you are hopeful of finding a solution, I’m sorry to say, you will be disappointed. What we gotta do is to just deal with it our own way!!
Chalo topic per hee baat karte hai , now that you agreed on the point of equal rights...
There are so many men out there who deserve but dont get respect. Why only then we whine about women then??? What is it so special attached with them??
Giive me an answer to my this query first and the rest would be very clear then...Hope you understand what I'm trying to say....
sunitahooda
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Mere khyal se to ye ghumaav-firaav ki shuruaat karney wale yahin par hain....par lagta hai ki ishara meri taraf bhi ho sakta hai....but we tend to say indirectly so that there is NO MUDSLINGING....this word is used by Moderators quite often...these days....and someone is trying to vent out frustration through this thread....i did my part too But i still dont EXPECT TO BE RESPECTED....it really doesn't matter to me who respects me who doesn't....came through that kiddish feelin long back and the conclusion is PEOPLE WILL RESPECT YOU WHEN THEY WANT TO RESPECT....NOT WHEN YOU WANT THEM TO RESPECT....and its 23 yrs experience....so i dont get carreid away if one says HE RESPECTED ME AND I DIDN'T....
Sorry i didn't ask for RESPECT
But i still dont EXPECT TO BE RESPECTED....it really doesn't matter to me who respects me who doesn't....came through that kiddish feelin long back and the conclusion is PEOPLE WILL RESPECT YOU WHEN THEY WANT TO RESPECT....NOT WHEN YOU WANT THEM TO RESPECT....and its 23 yrs experience....so i dont get carreid away if one says HE RESPECTED ME AND I DIDN'T.... Sorry i didn't ask for RESPECT
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yashbeniwal
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pehle toh mai khud ko is thread is dur rakhna chhathta tha,,, kyunki yeh ek bekaar ki controversy bantaa jaa raha hai,,, sabhi jaante hai ki kisko kya karna hai aur kya nahi,,,,, aur yeh bhi sabhi jaante hai ki whom to respect or whom to not,,,,,,
Reena and others people gave so many examples of bus and some other places,,,, leme explain,, some true incidents after that U will tell,,,,
In a crowdy bus an Uncle (age approx 65 yrs) was sit on a ladies seat,,, tabhi ek 20 25 saal ki ladki aayi aur boli" excuse me uncle ladies seat, mujhe baithne dejiye",,, now tell is that girl needed that seat more than that old age uncle,,,, now where the respect gone,,,,,,
Aur Reena har baat mein gaon ka jikar karti ho,,, gaon main aurat par attyachhar hote hai, mard aurat ko maarte hai,, aur pata nahi kya kya silly things,,,,,, kya mai pooch sakhta hoon ki tum kis gaon ko aur kitna jaanti ho,,,, tum kabhi asli gaon mein gayi bhi ho yaa nahi,, yaa kitne din gaon mein rahi ho???????,,,,,, answer these questions truely,,,, kabhi mauka mile toh asli gaon jo sehar se dur ho wahan jaa kar dekh liyo ,, galatfahmi dur ho jaaeyegi,,, whan aurat ki respect dekh kai teri aankhen bhar aawengi,,, yeh sabh sehar ke chochale sai jin nai duniyaa ka dimaag kharab kar diya hai,,,wahan abh bhi jeevan ka asli rang milegaa,,,,
me stand on my words " hamare haath ki paanchoo ungliyaan barbar nahi hoti toh fir duniyaa ka har sakash ek jaisa kaise ho sakhta hai,,, jo maarte hai woh sick mentality ke hai,,,, baaki koi naa maartaa peethaa,,, sabh respect karte hai,,, aur lage haath bade budhya ki ek baat aur sun le,,,,,,tane tai kade sunan ka mauka naa mila hoga,,,,
ghar mai beeri ka ped nahi lagana chhaeye
jat nai ghar mai hathiyaar nahi rakna chhaeye
aurat tai apna saara bhed nahi batana chhaeye
police aale tai dosti naa karni chaaeye,,
If i hurt anyone than pls forgive me,,,,
Reena and others people gave so many examples of bus and some other places,,,, leme explain,, some true incidents after that U will tell,,,,
In a crowdy bus an Uncle (age approx 65 yrs) was sit on a ladies seat,,, tabhi ek 20 25 saal ki ladki aayi aur boli" excuse me uncle ladies seat, mujhe baithne dejiye",,, now tell is that girl needed that seat more than that old age uncle,,,, now where the respect gone,,,,,,
Aur Reena har baat mein gaon ka jikar karti ho,,, gaon main aurat par attyachhar hote hai, mard aurat ko maarte hai,, aur pata nahi kya kya silly things,,,,,, kya mai pooch sakhta hoon ki tum kis gaon ko aur kitna jaanti ho,,,, tum kabhi asli gaon mein gayi bhi ho yaa nahi,, yaa kitne din gaon mein rahi ho???????,,,,,, answer these questions truely,,,, kabhi mauka mile toh asli gaon jo sehar se dur ho wahan jaa kar dekh liyo ,, galatfahmi dur ho jaaeyegi,,, whan aurat ki respect dekh kai teri aankhen bhar aawengi,,, yeh sabh sehar ke chochale sai jin nai duniyaa ka dimaag kharab kar diya hai,,,wahan abh bhi jeevan ka asli rang milegaa,,,,
me stand on my words " hamare haath ki paanchoo ungliyaan barbar nahi hoti toh fir duniyaa ka har sakash ek jaisa kaise ho sakhta hai,,, jo maarte hai woh sick mentality ke hai,,,, baaki koi naa maartaa peethaa,,, sabh respect karte hai,,, aur lage haath bade budhya ki ek baat aur sun le,,,,,,tane tai kade sunan ka mauka naa mila hoga,,,,
ghar mai beeri ka ped nahi lagana chhaeye
jat nai ghar mai hathiyaar nahi rakna chhaeye
aurat tai apna saara bhed nahi batana chhaeye
police aale tai dosti naa karni chaaeye,,
If i hurt anyone than pls forgive me,,,,
Man | Woman
take it easy guys n gals!!
Waise apna to yeh funda hai Men & Women r same but they both have their own diffrences!! so jo deserve karta hai usse Pura Respect milta hai aur jo nahi karta hai usse mein simply ignore kar deta hoon...as simple as that!!
waise har samaj mein Aurat ka place aadmi se to uncha hi rehta hai jaise...western countires mein they always say *Ladies First* & *Ladies & gentleman* & *after you* like that in India *Shrimati & Shri* and many more things!!
Rock on
Jit
Ps - check out the images!! smile n take it easy
take it easy guys n gals!!
Waise apna to yeh funda hai Men & Women r same but they both have their own diffrences!! so jo deserve karta hai usse Pura Respect milta hai aur jo nahi karta hai usse mein simply ignore kar deta hoon...as simple as that!!
waise har samaj mein Aurat ka place aadmi se to uncha hi rehta hai jaise...western countires mein they always say *Ladies First* & *Ladies & gentleman* & *after you* like that in India *Shrimati & Shri* and many more things!!
Rock on
Jit
Ps - check out the images!! smile n take it easy
Mere khyal se to ye ghumaav-firaav ki shuruaat karney wale yahin par hain....par lagta hai ki ishara meri taraf bhi ho sakta hai....but we tend to say indirectly so that there is NO MUDSLINGING....this word is used by Moderators quite often...these days....and someone is trying to vent out frustration through this thread....i did my part too
Haath Kangan ko Arsi kya?
Sare threads hai upar undeleted one can really see.. respect develops with a relation not with expectations... so a bit obvious
One earns respect from his/her deeds, actions and kindness so let us not even talk about it.... be it for a women or men
cause things would not change, chahe kitni raad mar lo koi aurto aadmio ke pache.....
An honest question - Have we ever seen any jat on jatland accepting the views which are opposite to his/her on any thread/topic?? Sirf discussion ke bahane sab apni apni grudges nikalte hai aur bahane mil hi jate hai.... Jalkookde hore sare ke sare
P.S. - Its 21
yaar hadd kerdi.......maine yeh kab kaha ki men ko mat do........maine topic mein women daal diya to men ki baat per aa gaye......yahan sach mein discussion nhn bus baat ko kahin se kahin pahuchana aata hai sab ko...topic kya hai or likh kya rahe ho.......
fine this thread is close frm now.......
i m so sorry ki mere demaag mein yeh baat aayi...or maine pehli baar yeh socha ki chalo main aap sab se share karun or maine pehli baar ek thread chalu kiye.........but i was wrong.........
sorryyyyyyyy.................
No intent to offend you....
OOps, didn't know this was your first thread, I would have agreed with ya then...
Chill!! With due respect to you Reena, here is a quote from Ayn Rand:
When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit
OOps, didn't know this was your first thread, I would have agreed with ya then...
Chill!! With due respect to you Reena, here is a quote from Ayn Rand:
When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit
Dissent & Disagreement!
Well, I got nothing left to say on the topic per se coz I'm pretty much done in my earlier posts with whatever I had to say BUT wont mind sharing this neat write up. Read it if you have time (Ideally should have started a new thread with this, never mind):
- Eric Hoffer, The Passionate State of Mind, (1955). If everyone always agreed with each other on everything, it doesn't seem possible that anything would ever get done. I'm not sure that there would ever even be anything new: no new art, no new political ideas, no new philosophies, etc. Innovation, at least to a certain extent, seems to require that someone, somewhere, disagrees with how things are currently done or conceived of and sets forth to try and develop something new - and, preferably, something better.
For progress in the realm of ideas, then, it seems necessary that one be disinclined to be too agreeable. This is not to say, of course, that one should never agree with anyone on anything - that, too, would be folly. Perhaps the best way to put it is that instead of starting from the assumption of agreement, one should start from the assumption of critical disagreement. If one is persuaded to agree and accept an idea despite the starting point of disagreement, the we might be justified in thinking that the argument is stronger than if one is persuaded to agree and accept an idea which they had already assumed they would accept.
But what about disagreement with oneself? That's the oddest part of the quotation from Eric Hoffer - disagreement with others makes sense, but disagreement with oneself doesn't seem to make any sense, at least at first. I think that we can make sense of it, however, by remembering just how strongly our positions can be influenced by our biases. Very often, those biases aren't even obvious to us - we've held them for so long and regard them as so obviously true that we simply don't realize that they are biases at all.
So how is a person to get past their biases, especially since having biases is a part of what it means to be human? One possible means is to, in Hoffer's words, disagree with ourselves. Assume, at least for the sake of argument, that some bias or other has clouded your judgment on a matter and that you are, in fact, mistaken about it . Adopt the contrary position and defend it, critiquing your preferred choice as well as you can.
Perhaps you will find that your original position was indeed quite sound - and you'll end up agreeing with yourself again, but this time you can be more sure that it is for very good reasons. Perhaps, however, you will find that your original position wasn't nearly as strong as you thought. It might still warrant accepting, but then again it might not. You just might find yourself believing something new and different - all because you took the time to criticize one of your own beliefs with the same vigor and single-mindedness with which you have critized others' ideas in the past. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
Courtesy: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/075427.htm
Well, I got nothing left to say on the topic per se coz I'm pretty much done in my earlier posts with whatever I had to say BUT wont mind sharing this neat write up. Read it if you have time (Ideally should have started a new thread with this, never mind):
Hoffer on Dissent and Disagreement
The beginning of thought is in disagreement - not only with others but also with ourselves.- Eric Hoffer, The Passionate State of Mind, (1955). If everyone always agreed with each other on everything, it doesn't seem possible that anything would ever get done. I'm not sure that there would ever even be anything new: no new art, no new political ideas, no new philosophies, etc. Innovation, at least to a certain extent, seems to require that someone, somewhere, disagrees with how things are currently done or conceived of and sets forth to try and develop something new - and, preferably, something better.
For progress in the realm of ideas, then, it seems necessary that one be disinclined to be too agreeable. This is not to say, of course, that one should never agree with anyone on anything - that, too, would be folly. Perhaps the best way to put it is that instead of starting from the assumption of agreement, one should start from the assumption of critical disagreement. If one is persuaded to agree and accept an idea despite the starting point of disagreement, the we might be justified in thinking that the argument is stronger than if one is persuaded to agree and accept an idea which they had already assumed they would accept.
But what about disagreement with oneself? That's the oddest part of the quotation from Eric Hoffer - disagreement with others makes sense, but disagreement with oneself doesn't seem to make any sense, at least at first. I think that we can make sense of it, however, by remembering just how strongly our positions can be influenced by our biases. Very often, those biases aren't even obvious to us - we've held them for so long and regard them as so obviously true that we simply don't realize that they are biases at all.
So how is a person to get past their biases, especially since having biases is a part of what it means to be human? One possible means is to, in Hoffer's words, disagree with ourselves. Assume, at least for the sake of argument, that some bias or other has clouded your judgment on a matter and that you are, in fact, mistaken about it . Adopt the contrary position and defend it, critiquing your preferred choice as well as you can.
Perhaps you will find that your original position was indeed quite sound - and you'll end up agreeing with yourself again, but this time you can be more sure that it is for very good reasons. Perhaps, however, you will find that your original position wasn't nearly as strong as you thought. It might still warrant accepting, but then again it might not. You just might find yourself believing something new and different - all because you took the time to criticize one of your own beliefs with the same vigor and single-mindedness with which you have critized others' ideas in the past. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
Courtesy: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/075427.htm
sunitahooda
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oops....poonam di agar mujhe pata hota ki aap meri baat per pehle hi yeh jaan ker ki maine pehla thread dala tha to aap sahmat ho jayengi ..to main bhi kyun aapse argue kerti...oopppppssssssss........ha ha ha..............very funny........sorry mam i dnt need it...........thanx....poonam said:OOps, didn't know this was your first thread, I would have agreed with ya then...
Chill!! With due respect to you Reena, here is a quote from Ayn Rand:
When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit
chill!wid due respect to poonam di- haan aapki baatein sach mein bilkul sahi thi....but sorry to say...offtopic..........
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samarkadian
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Thanks for feeding the brain. I liked the idea n gained from it.Bring more of such things.
manjeemalik
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As per your example, the black guy has got humiliated by a white guy...not a white female. A person from Bihar coming to a big city for career is looked down and addressed as "Bihari" by his colleauges of the same sex...Women normally have no interest in calling him by such name. It's male ego which gets hurt seeing somebody from a different state sharing workplace. Analogy put forward by you says that one man is not respecting other...and making each other victims of racial biasness. Similarly whenever there had been riots in Indian history say during Partition or Godhra Kand...conflicts arose between men and men but women got victimized by getting raped...Is this the way they RESPECT woman?
Your analogy has no resemblance to the topic put forward by Reena.
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