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What happened to the acid rains and the ozone layer being depleted.

This anti-development socialists come up with some new BS theory every ten years.
 
...its not the anti development socialists but very pro development scientists who had come up with ozone layer hole and depletion....and maybe the awareness resulted in reduced CFc gases worldwide and they were successful in avoiding the problem.......

dahiyarules said:
What happened to the acid rains and the ozone layer being depleted.

This anti-development socialists come up with some new BS theory every ten years.
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Summary of the thread:

About the documentary:
Since the inception of this thread, it has gone on to win an oscar and is becoming too high profile for its own good.

- Most people on jatland believe its a hogwash (I dont know how many have watched it)

- People see it as a political movie than an awareness raising exercise and because of this, the 'issue' is not getting attention as it should be regardless of the political and other motivations


About the Issue:
- No consensus that there is a problem. Most people believe that this phenomenon could be explained variously thus no conclusive support for human activities causing global warming.

- As is common in everything, self-interest drives how people perceive environmental issues, most have preconceived notions which they are not willing to change because it would mean change in their status quo. Self interest her also means nationality, beliefs and identity.

- Problem- no leading scientist has come out in support of the theory (atleast not to my knowledge- which is limited), its mainly being championed by agencies, politicians and corporations

- Another problematic aspect of this issue is the doomsday treatment, everyone would probably agree on conservation and innovation in technology especially in energy sector, but not all agree that doomsday is near if things aren't changed...so doomsday is not helping the issue of conservation...

- On this site, most of us are Indians and environmental issues are considered as a cost rather than startegic economic advantage....i think for the future of development this needs to be changed...for competing globally environmental standards have at par or better....we should strive for higher standards and not race to the bottom....India took advantage of the IT boom, it should not hesitate in adopting new technologies that help efficient use of resources....its a benefit not a cost...

Thanks everyone for participating...
 
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priti said:
...its not the anti development socialists but very pro development scientists who had come up with ozone layer hole and depletion....and maybe the awareness resulted in reduced CFc gases worldwide and they were successful in avoiding the problem.......
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Airconditioning around the world still uses the so called ozone-depleting CFC components. Airconditioning and refrigerents were the main target of the ozone layer mania.

Its just that these conspiracies fall apart within a few years of being around.

I am sure you will be saying that we probably prevented the arctic caps from melting for blah blah blah reason, 10 years from now.
 
priti said:
Summary of the thread:

About the documentary:
Since the inception of this thread, it has gone on to win an oscar and is becoming too high profile for its own good.

- Most people on jatland believe its a hogwash (I dont know how many have watched it)

- People see it as a political movie than an awareness raising exercise and because of this, the 'issue' is not getting attention as it should be regardless of the political and other motivations


About the Issue:
- No consensus that there is a problem. Most people believe that this phenomenon could be explained variously thus no conclusive support for human activities causing global warming.

- As is common in everything, self-interest drives how people perceive environmental issues, most have preconceived notions which they are not willing to change because it would mean change in their status quo. Self interest her also means nationality, beliefs and identity.

- Problem- no leading scientist has come out in support of the theory (atleast not to my knowledge- which is limited), its mainly being championed by agencies, politicians and corporations

- Another problematic aspect of this issue is the doomsday treatment, everyone would probably agree on conservation and innovation in technology especially in energy sector, but not all agree that doomsday is near if things aren't changed...so doomsday is not helping the issue of conservation...

- On this site, most of us are Indians and environmental issues are considered as a cost rather than startegic economic advantage....i think for the future of development this needs to be changed...for competing globally environmental standards have at par or better....we should strive for higher standards and not race to the bottom....India took advantage of the IT boom, it should not hesitate in adopting new technologies that help efficient use of resources....its a benefit not a cost...

Thanks everyone for participating...
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Priti!

Go an start living in the trees. Stop using electricity and fossil fuels. Maybe then I will grant you my audience. Till then you are just a pain for my ears.
 
Sumit, I do not need your audience alone, and you do not need to visit this thread if its pain to you. I dont know what you're trying to prove by attacking it like this. I thought you were rational....but sadly you're missing the entire point here.......

dahiyarules said:
Priti!

Go an start living in the trees. Stop using electricity and fossil fuels. Maybe then I will grant you my audience. Till then you are just a pain for my ears.
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why not, might actually be able to say that since lots of people do actually work on this issue rather than contest it on every front...

There is no relation between collectivism and environmental issues. It is equally grabbed by a socialist and a capitalist fyi!!




dahiyarules said:
Airconditioning around the world still uses the so called ozone-depleting CFC components. Airconditioning and refrigerents were the main target of the ozone layer mania.

Its just that these conspiracies fall apart within a few years of being around.

I am sure you will be saying that we probably prevented the arctic caps from melting for blah blah blah reason, 10 years from now.
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Hi Deepak

CO2 is the second largest contributor to the greenhouse effect- after water vapors........


antil-sunpatiya said:
Few Facts

1) CO2 is not responsible for greenhouse effect. It is not a greenhouse Gas.
2) Earth has always been changing and continous to change. Ice Age, Hot Periods etc etc

So whats resposnible

1) Sun Storms
2) Cosmic Rays entering into Trosphere (Pls google them both to find details explainations)


This has been hyped by

1) The socialists who want us to go back 100 years.
2) The (so called) Enviornmental Scientist who want Govt funding
3) The Whole Environment Industry whose bread and Butter depends on it.

And It has also been Hijacked by

1) By policy makers and politicians who dont want countries in Africa and Asia should ever develop.
2) Another way to increase Tax

The dont want that millions living in poor countries should have a better quality of life.

And media is completly biased and manage to brain wash ignorant and informed alike.

Deepak
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Whether one buys or not the environment argument, there's no denying the fact that if individuals/authorities start acting in a more responsible fashion, things do improve.

Delhi is an example of that. The introduction of CNG and greenification drive brought down the pollution level considerably. It might still be bad but a whole lot better than what it used to be once.

priti said:
Summary of the thread:

About the documentary:
Since the inception of this thread, it has gone on to win an oscar and is becoming too high profile for its own good.

- Most people on jatland believe its a hogwash (I dont know how many have watched it)

- People see it as a political movie than an awareness raising exercise and because of this, the 'issue' is not getting attention as it should be regardless of the political and other motivations


About the Issue:
- No consensus that there is a problem. Most people believe that this phenomenon could be explained variously thus no conclusive support for human activities causing global warming.

- As is common in everything, self-interest drives how people perceive environmental issues, most have preconceived notions which they are not willing to change because it would mean change in their status quo. Self interest her also means nationality, beliefs and identity.

- Problem- no leading scientist has come out in support of the theory (atleast not to my knowledge- which is limited), its mainly being championed by agencies, politicians and corporations

- Another problematic aspect of this issue is the doomsday treatment, everyone would probably agree on conservation and innovation in technology especially in energy sector, but not all agree that doomsday is near if things aren't changed...so doomsday is not helping the issue of conservation...

- On this site, most of us are Indians and environmental issues are considered as a cost rather than startegic economic advantage....i think for the future of development this needs to be changed...for competing globally environmental standards have at par or better....we should strive for higher standards and not race to the bottom....India took advantage of the IT boom, it should not hesitate in adopting new technologies that help efficient use of resources....its a benefit not a cost...

Thanks everyone for participating...
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Thinking about it, its hard to believe that you're questioning ozone depletion,

kindly check this link to remove some of your doubts:

http://www.ec.gc.ca/soer-ree/English/Indicator_series/new_issues.cfm?issue_id=5&tech_id=21

if it still remains...visit any university's environmental science department and you might just think that it happened....


dahiyarules said:
Airconditioning around the world still uses the so called ozone-depleting CFC components. Airconditioning and refrigerents were the main target of the ozone layer mania.

Its just that these conspiracies fall apart within a few years of being around.

I am sure you will be saying that we probably prevented the arctic caps from melting for blah blah blah reason, 10 years from now.
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Yes, one does not have to on the verge of collapse to be acting...

kabir said:
Whether one buys or not the environment argument, there's no denying the fact that individuals/authorities start acting in a more responsible fashion, things do improve.

Delhi is an example of that. The introduction of CNG and greenification drive brought down the pollution level considerably. It might still be bad but a whole lot better than what it used to be once.
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priti said:
Hi Deepak

CO2 is the second largest contributor to the greenhouse effect- after water vapors........
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You are wrong on that one priti. Methane contributes a lot more than C02...but its not practical to contain cow emmissions etc etc. Also lets not forget how environmentalist might have killed off millions of humans by banning DDT.

DDT was cheaply produced and had a very good safety profile. Yet based upon some book by an environmentalist..(and without any scientific basis) , DDT production was banned. Malaria was almost eradicated before its ban...but made a comeback again, and has killed millions. The sad thing is that the insecticide on the market today has a worse safety profile than DDT, and is much more expensive to produce. This is what happens when people without scientific background become hysterical about a cause.
 
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One more thing...

I've heard that there are more than 7 billion people on earth and the amount of CO2 generated from their **art is creating ozone layer depletion. Have you thought of its REMEDY?



priti said:
not a carbon neutral person...but...I do

- separate my household garbage for recycling
- Reduce it as much as I can
- keep the thermostat switched off when not required (wear a sweater or two to be cosy...it feels like indian winter time at home)
- take public transport when i can
- switch off light bulbs and unplug electronics whenever i can remember(keeps the place a little more spartan)
- love unpackaged stuff....lush is a good one for toiletries, st. lawrance market is great for food produce
- pursuade (to little success) my investment analyst husband that corporate social and environmental performance matters for the bottomline and thus to shareholders
- work and research in social and environmental finance.
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Hi Priti,

I'm not a scientist but common sense says...We all have CO2 element in us (plants/animals/plants).

And ocean / sea / rivers / ponds who are the biggest emitter of Co2 gas than human factories put together.

We must respect nature, but I'm against the proporganda and hypocricy.

Vedic thought compares earth (and all it empasses) to as mother. We are taught to respect rivers, trees etc etc in our rituals. Which I'm sure most indians born in India are aware of.

I just get amused, when I hear western nations take such a moral ground when they are themselves the biggest polluter on this planet.

Per woh kehte hai naa...dayr aaye dursat aaye. :)

Warm regrads,

Deepak
 
hdsura said:
I've heard that there are more than 7 billion people on earth and the amount of CO2 generated from their **art is creating ozone layer depletion. Have you thought of its REMEDY?
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You've actually heard them all seven billion f*rt! Before I faint, lemme quickly salute you.
 
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I wish I'd have the remedy here to everything man...then I wouldn't have to debate it here and reply to your ingenious problems!

hdsura said:
I've heard that there are more than 7 billion people on earth and the amount of CO2 generated from their **art is creating ozone layer depletion. Have you thought of its REMEDY?
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