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crsnadar

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Ek naya topic shuru karte hai "ASTROLOGY"

We want to know how many JATs believe in Astrology.

Actually at the time of marriage there use to be so many things related to Astrology

like
KUNDLI
GOTRA
RAASHI
LAGAN
MANGAL
GUN
GRAH
NAKSHTRA
NUMEROLOGY
etc etc...

........mera sawal ye hai ki GOTRA to apni jagah theek hai...match nahi karna chaahiye.......but....KUNDLI...RASHI etc...

...Agar saara kaam GRAH NAKSHTRA aur KUNDLI hi kar denge to aap kya karoge. There must be your own efforts also contributed to your success.

Let's see till what extent we do believe in ASTROLOGY.

If yes what are the effect of NUMBERS on our Future
& what are the predictions for 2008 for all JATLAND members

Is there any JAT ASTROLOGER..??


Let's find out..!
 
Thoda chota aur kam rang bharaa likha kijiye please!!:)

Well, in my personal opinion, Astrology is in itself a complete science but lacks universally accepted laws and principles as contrary to natural sciences because of the fact that it is based on behavioural issues which are quite variable in nature. So, defining something precisely becomes really difficult.

Moreover, there are people who misuse its name and purpose and misguide the people in a way or the other. This is a complex subject and is often not used by people in good faith.
 
crsnadar said:
like
KUNDLI
GOTRA
RAASHI
LAGAN
MANGAL
GUN
GRAH
NAKSHTRA
NUMEROLOGY
etc etc...

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Yaar ek baat yaad agi !! ek bar mere cousin ke shadi thi..uske uncle army maie the..unhe 15 din ki leaves mili thi aur chahte the ki shadi inhi chotiyo maie ho jaye.. sab kuch ready tha.. shadi ki tarikh niklwane gaav ke pandit ke pass gaye..galti se dadaji bi sath maie the jo in bato par bhot viswas karte the.. ib pandit ne jate hi bolye gareh sehi nai hai is time to, aur ek mahine baad ki date di.. dadaji ne declare kar diya ki shadi abi nahi hogi..
ib uncleji ka sara plan chopat ho reha tha... unhone pandit ke pass ja ke dhire se bolya " Re brahman dada...theek se date bata de 10 ke andar andar ki..nai iske grah theek hai ki nai wo to bera na..lakin tere grah maie theek kar dunga..susre ne tractor paie bita ke gaav maie johad maie patak awonga.:)."..

Panditji ki halat hi kharab holi.. jor se bola..re bhaiyo ek tarik hai..10 din baad.. :D:D
 
I believe in astrology

mukeshkumar007 said:
Yaar ek baat yaad agi !! ek bar mere cousin ke shadi thi..uske uncle army maie the..unhe 15 din ki leaves mili thi aur chahte the ki shadi inhi chotiyo maie ho jaye.. sab kuch ready tha.. shadi ki tarikh niklwane gaav ke pandit ke pass gaye..galti se dadaji bi sath maie the jo in bato par bhot viswas karte the.. ib pandit ne jate hi bolye gareh sehi nai hai is time to, aur ek mahine baad ki date di.. dadaji ne declare kar diya ki shadi abi nahi hogi..
ib uncleji ka sara plan chopat ho reha tha... unhone pandit ke pass ja ke dhire se bolya " Re brahman dada...theek se date bata de 10 ke andar andar ki..nai iske grah theek hai ki nai wo to bera na..lakin tere grah maie theek kar dunga..susre ne tractor paie bita ke gaav maie johad maie patak awonga.:)."..

Panditji ki halat hi kharab holi.. jor se bola..re bhaiyo ek tarik hai..10 din baad.. :D:D
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Yaar mujhe bhi ek baat yaad aa gayi.......mere dost ne panditji ki baat na mante hue ek manlik ladki se shaadi kar li....afsos ki baat hai ki aaj woh dost hamare sath nahi hai......
 
aashishmour said:
Yaar mujhe bhi ek baat yaad aa gayi.......mere dost ne panditji ki baat na mante hue ek manlik ladki se shaadi kar li....afsos ki baat hai ki aaj woh dost hamare sath nahi hai......
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bhai aisa kuch nai hota... manglik hona aur wo hona yeh sab in pando ki bakwas hai...agar aap is baat maie beleive karte ho ki JHODIYA bhagwan banata hai to phir in pando ka aur is astrology ka role to ek dum se hi katam ho gaya.. What the hell they will do in this..... sab bakwas hai brother...

Kabi kabi ghatnaye is tareh se ghatati hai ki aisi bate sehi man lete hai..lakin aisa really kuch nai hota...

sare grah mila ke bi shadiya hoti hai phir wo kyo toot jati hai..
 
mukeshkumar007 said:
bhai aisa kuch nai hota... manglik hona aur wo hona yeh sab in pando ki bakwas hai...agar aap is baat maie beleive karte ho ki JHODIYA bhagwan banata hai to phir in pando ka aur is astrology ka role to ek dum se hi katam ho gaya.. What the hell they will do in this..... sab bakwas hai brother...

Kabi kabi ghatnaye is tareh se ghatati hai ki aisi bate sehi man lete hai..lakin aisa really kuch nai hota...

sare grah mila ke bi shadiya hoti hai phir wo kyo toot jati hai..
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dost mein bhi is astology ko nahi manta tha..yeh samajhta sab bakwas hai... lekin jab mere sath kutch aisi gathnaye hui toh muhje sahara dene wali yeh astrology hi thi...mana bhagwan yeh jodi banata hai par yeh mat bhoolo ki bhagwan yeh jodi todta bhi hai......i even think astrologer cant predict future but they can tell ur past as some astrologer as predict of mine...dost jab rashi fraud astroger ko dikhage to kutch bhi ho sakta hai....ek baat aur jitna bada aadmi utna hi jyada uska astrogy par vishwas eg..amitabh bachan,,,ekta kapoor,,ambani.....etc.
 
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aashishmour said:
ek baat aur jitna bada aadmi utna hi jyada uska astrogy par vishwas eg..amitabh bachan,,,ekta kapoor,,ambani.....etc.
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bhai is desh ka sabse bada durbagye bi yehi hai, jitna bada admi utna bada darpok... Because they fear to lose their power and because of this fear they do all possible propaganda like ek crore ka check mandir maie dena, ajmer dargeha maie chadar chadane pahooch jana..
 
Sorry for posting previously post again .... but it makes sense here......


I do believe, not only in Astrology but all occult sciences. Planatery positions certainly inflluence our lives.

Can you dare to say that we can live without sunlight ? Sun is the source of energy of our Solar Syatem. Planetary position are not absolute but just relative to one another and hence they influence everything in our Solar System. Every celestial object have some specific characteristics and they influence us in that way. Effect maybe strong or weak depeneds on their position at the specific time period.

If life is pre destined than there must be a way to know it by any means and all occult sciencs are thousand years old. What say ?:)

Million dollar question is that if life is pre-destined than who decides it and how it is decided that what a person is going to do in his/her life ?

Why people born under different zodiac sign possess different characteristics and different nature and that is true for every person ? There are some specific traits of every zodiac sign and the persons having that zodiac sign have all the general qualities in him/her.

Why sometimes we like or dislike someone without any specific reasons ? Most probable guess is that just becoz their zodiac sign are compatible or not. It's certainly not destiny. Isn't it ?:)

Almost everybody believe in Karma and so do i. We do all the hard work and sometimes results are almost opposite and you call it destiny. So who decides our destiny ? What are the parameters on which it is decided ?

Why some persons have better luck than others and who decides our luck ?

If fate or fortune (Destiny) exists than occult sciences are never questionable :)


For the rest of discussion .... plz go through this thread :
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18256
 
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mukeshkumar007 said:
bhai is desh ka sabse bada durbagye bi yehi hai, jitna bada admi utna bada darpok... Because they fear to lose their power and because of this fear they do all possible propaganda like ek crore ka check mandir maie dena, ajmer dargeha maie chadar chadane pahooch jana..
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bhai mujhe lagta hai tu bhagwan ko nahin manta....abey jo harroj ke 100 crore kamate hai woh 1 crore dan bahut hi chota hai.....ek baat aur yeh log darpok nahi hai yaar ....ye log aise hai jo desh chala rahe hai.....is desh mein sabse bade gunde politician hai......aur ambani jaise ko yeh politician talwe chatte hai
 
Just like Shweta pointed - The lack of established principles & laws or concrete observations/citations & then gimmicks by self proclaimed maharaj's further mystify this already intriguing science. While I don’t wholly believe in it, I am quite interested in digging deeper into the subject!

I’m no scholar but my love for maths makes me believe that almost every phenomenon can be jotted down in an equation of some sort. Hence, I’m inclined that if such patterns can be identified and put into an equation, one can predict the outcomes and even influence it by manipulating the variables involved.

Reminds me of the beautiful script – “Final Destination” where they identify patterns (though non-mathematically) to understand death & try to cheat it. Similarly snips of “A Beautiful Mind” predicting the flight of a pigeon.

Coming to Astrology or associated sciences of Numerology, Palmistry, Face Reading, Handwriting Reading, Finger/Thumb printing (Nadi Astrology), Tarots etc – Albeit there possibly doesn’t exist a defined formula (may be yet) to put an equation, there definitely seem to be some fantastic studies of patterns of planetary movements, lines on the palms etc which if not explain or state for sure but tell in general behavioral and other patterns of life.

At the same time and often, I have observed that the predictions or forecasting is carefully done with an extremely generalized verbiage that if observed carefully they can be classified as “data” or “meta data” and then the beautiful human brain reads the circumstances and other influencing factors in such a manner that the individual begins interpreting the data into information fulfilling or relating to his individual needs.

Law’s of gravitation, escape velocity, etc were discovered only when we could sufficiently understand a phenomenon and derive an equation which gave accurate results. Today, we forecast weather, earthquakes, volcanic activities, spread of diseases, economy, stock market etc with significant accuracies simply because we’ve been able to create the equations around the observed patterns. Someday someone may develop an equation which will put to rest the mysteries of why Psychics can see the future but not predict it and likewise!

Coming back to the present, while I haven’t come across a scripture or living being who could guarantee his predictions with 100% accuracy, the fact that if we haven’t been able to comprehended it need not necessarily mean it is not possible, in itself is sufficient logic to intrigue me… and most of us alike!

I welcome your comments.

-Ashish
 
Whenever we talk about Astrology, the first thing strikes our mind is the portrait of a pundit with tilak and some common books published by specific publication house. These guys really made this oldest science bread earner for themselves and mockery for the intellectuals as well. They manipulate the sentences written in the books according to the situatution and person to person deals. That's not what we shall discuss here. What we are talking about is the oldest recognized science on this planet so far. :)

Planetary movements is the most effective way to describe it for that every data is available and totally a scientific approach involved at first hand. Relativity is the key to analyzation and hence perdictions. Slightest movement of the Celestial objects affects the related human beings and their nature and hence behaviour. For example, a person who is governed by Moon will feel depressed when Moon is weak or will be furios when Moon enters into hostile zone and will be on highest spirits whenever there is a full Moon.

Palmistry is the another science which can be interpreted precisely. Every line on the hand make some sense provided that they must be read carefully and more important, collectively. One must read all the relative lines simultaneously and analyze as a whole before any perdiction. It's just like to check tempearture, pressure, volume etc of certain object and analyzing them as a whole before making a final statement about the nature of that object. Then there are different types of shapes of hands, fingers, nails ( believe me ... they need attention too :) ), mountains etc etc. It's not that easy but a complex study even for an expert.

Numerology is the what mostly believes dealing with numbers. Numbers do magic here with a personality. Basic traits can be best described using it. Every person have their personal number ( from 1 to 9 ) and that number defines his/her personality, basic nature, area of interests, likes/dislikes, success and so on. It's almost perfect when blended with Zodiac studies. The only drawback i see here is that it can't perdict furture precisely but generalize it. I mean to say like age, time of some specific events etc ( what i know so far ...... maybe i am wrong :)).

We can discuss other sciences as well .... maybe later.:)

I do agree with Ashish, that there is no 100% accuracy. But again, where is the 100% accuracy ? Nothing can be perdicted 100% whatever it is, even if provided with finite equations, like Weather, earthquakes, volcanic activities, stock market ( hahahah .... don't bet ever :)), magnetic fields, Law's of gravitaion as there are so many Bermuda Triangles. Black Holes swallows everything including all the laws of Physics, Wormholes enjoys eating up Time, Einstein ended up throwing Newton's law in dustbin and so on.......
 
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Astrology is complete and utter Bull$hit.
Logon ne pagal banake paise lootne ka jugaad hai.

Don't believe in it just because your parents and relatives might believe in it and it seems not just socially acceptable but also prudent. Life is too short to spend time reading a bunch of liars like Bejan Daruwala and Linda Goodman.

Here's your future - you will die sooner or later. So cancel that trip to the jyotishi - you don't have a whole lot of time left.
 
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What i remember is that Ram and Ravan share the same "Raashi" if you follow the concept of naming childs according to the prevelant rashi system ... and its amazing there was no similarity in their ideology and the way they meet their end. How come such a vast difference in the course of life of these legends.:confused:

On a serious note i personaly believe Its just another profession to make fool out of common people........ Janampatri is just a product associated with it to please people.

If astronomy and palmistry is so accurate a science then why its selling so cheap on roadside. Its true heavenly bodies have a tendency to effect the course of life on earth.. but its so complex a matter to be confined in a book on palmestry or astronomy.
tell me a astrologer or person having expertise in reading hands who is sure enough that he himself gonna see the sun rising next morning.

my personal experience its all crap..... or i should say there's no one who can predict your future with accuracy and if accuracy is not the key i am all time great palmist :D:).
 
sandeeprathee said:
What i remember is that Ram and Ravan share the same "Raashi" if you follow the concept of naming childs according to the prevelant rashi system ... and its amazing there was no similarity in their ideology and the way they meet their end. How come such a vast difference in the course of life of these legends.:confused:
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Who said there's nothing in common betn the 2?
Both were kings, highly learned, they fell for the same woman, fought stupid wars, were extremely egoistic and ultimately didnt know how to respect & treat women well. What say now? :(
 
crsnadar said:
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Abhi tak koi JAT ASTROLOGER nahi mila...baaki to sab thik hai..
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My answer is one , forget it all...its all nonsense. If you start believing , u will go nuts and won't be able to live peacefully. If " Hoga whohi Jo Ram Rach rakha", then why bother. Let God take care of it all if He has already decided about our fate. Just do you Karma to best of your ability and forget about results.

As per astrologers my wife had very strong lifeline and was to have very long life. Result has been otherway... I can go on counting... So my friend just forget it all and do what you think is right. Keep away from astrologers and you will be a very happy man... Have faith in yopurself more than in astrology... Let it be a great science...who cares...Let us learn without it.

RK^2
 
sandeeprathee said:
What i remember is that Ram and Ravan share the same "Raashi" if you follow the concept of naming childs according to the prevelant rashi system ... and its amazing there was no similarity in their ideology and the way they meet their end. How come such a vast difference in the course of life of these legends.:confused:
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Sandeep Bhai,

Besides the wonderful similarities pointed out by Ashish in Ram and Ravan's character, i would like to say about your this post is a sublime example of misundestanding the whole exercise.

Does anybody said here that people whose name start with "R" possess the same personality or character ?

If you believe that Planatery Movement affects lives then just imagine Ravan's son Meghnad was of Ram's age group. So how many years of difference between the age of Ram and Ravan and hence positions of the respective celestial bodies ?


sandeeprathee said:
If astronomy and palmistry is so accurate a science then why its selling so cheap on roadside.
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If you have read my post, i already said that this is oldest science on this planet but people made it a cheap practice. Just becoz people believe in it and everybody want to make money. These roadside pundit must not be compared to the people who devote their whole life reading and analyzing the Planatery Movements, doing research in respetable Universities. It's just like comparing a Computer Engineer working for NASA with a Data Entry Operator.
 
asuhag said:
Who said there's nothing in common betn the 2?
Both were kings, highly learned, they fell for the same woman, fought stupid wars, were extremely egoistic and ultimately didnt know how to respect & treat women well. What say now? :(
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Interesting. Why Ram and Ravan, we all human beings have 99% common traits. There is hardly 1% difference from one person to another. Its this slight difference which really matters and gives us our individual character. Very minute impurity in in silicon makes it semiconductor. Slight impurity in the lattice of a diamond gives it colour.

RK^2
 
asuhag said:
Who said there's nothing in common betn the 2?
Both were kings, highly learned, they fell for the same woman, fought stupid wars, were extremely egoistic and ultimately didnt know how to respect & treat women well. What say now? :(
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used that reference to point out the fact that people belonging to same Raashi may have a totally different ideology,way of life. like you have metioned the similarities i can quote here a whole lot of differences between them. what you say now ?? And bro why sad smile..cheer up[:)].

vijay said:
These roadside pundit must not be compared to the people who devote their whole life reading and analyzing the Planatery Movements, doing research in respetable Universities. It's just like comparing a Computer Engineer working for NASA with a Data Entry Operator.
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I dont deny its not a science,i just said that its too complex to understand and relate with the course of human life with precision. every second day new heavenly bodies are identified that have a tendency to effect the behaviour of life and enviornmental structure on earth......in such a dynamic situation accuracy dont stand anywhere.

i am not sure whats the future of this in a society like ours, but onething i am very sure of is that its causing more harm then benefit. many a people are losing their peace of mind, money and time on being influenced by these so called "Bhavishya-vaktas".

And to a common man who tries to find out the solution of his grief these road side pandits are no less then Nasa Scentists as they also gives him hope and are the only accessible masters of this trade.
 
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