Kitni himmat ho gai haan ajj musalmaano ki....?

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Sahi kaha Bhai Jitu ,Jit and Rinku.

Rinku what you said was exactly used by great visionary Sir Chottu Ram .He used our racial common bond to avoid division of this great Jat nation from Indus to Ganges .When Jinnah tried to split MLAs on religious basis he started convening Jat sammelans in Pakistan in the constituencies of those members upon whom Jinnah was trying to cast a spell.Jinnah could not succeed in his game plan till Rahber-e-Azam lived but political aspirations of same Hindutava/league forces forced division of this great Jat nation later.
 
God, save those who don't want to save themselves

Bhai Rajeev,

Thanks for posting this thread.

Aapne jo yahan likha hae woh shat pratishat sahi hae. Yeh hinduon ke itihaas kee vidambana rahi hae ki ussne hamesha bahaar se doosre dharmon aur jaatiyon ke logon ko khushi khushi gale lagaya aur unhi doosro ne un hinduon ka gala kaata.

Had it not been for the advent of the British, I and you would have been known today by some Muslim names. Agar Aurangzeb aur uske vanshaj kuch sadiyaan aur raj karte toh hindu bachte hee nahi. Kahi Jaziya, kahi hindu aurton ko uthwana, etc, etc. Atrocities and atrocities everywhere. What is happening to hindu families in Pakistan and Kashmir is testimony to the mindset of muslims. In Pakistan, muslim youth forcefully abduct young hindu girls for marriage and other purposes and the police there is also fundamentally religious to ignore such incidents.

In my area alone, there once used to be one dilapidated old mosque in the form of a barack with one or two fans and an old maulvi with just a handful of muslims (mainly migrants from UP and Bihar). The nearby local villagers never allowed the mosque to use loudspeakers for Azaan. And today you look at the same building. It has transformed into a majestic multistoreyed building with ACs and other modern amenities. The handful of muslims have grown into several thousands and still growing with each passing day. I am sure one day very soon, we will get to hear their Aazaans on loudspeaker.

Haryana has rarely witnessed communal riots in the past. But mark my words that is going to change very soon. With ever increasing outsider population including Muslims spreading roots in Haryana, the day is not far when we will have another Gujarat here where hindu and muslims live in ghettos divided by a common road passing in between their ghettos. Some people, states and regions inherit such legacies and here we are inviting legacies of future conflicts, riots and turmoil.

It is a proven fact that the philosophy of muslims is to spread roots all across the world, numerically outnumber the local communities and then either forcibly convert the original inhabitants or ruthlessly decimate them. The best example of this is Kashmir which not so long ago used to be a primarily hindu inhabitied and dominated region.

We can understand the compulsions of the political parties in going ahead with their policies of muslim appeasement which is a text book example of vote bank politics. However, what would strike an impartial observer is the fact that most of the so-called liberated Hindus deep down in their hearts know what wrong is taking place and they also know what the consequences of these events will be, however though rather unfortunately, they choose to feign ignorance as if everything is hunky dory and will remain so in the future. But if things go this way, let me not remind but assure you, we will be running for cover against the atrocticities of muslims just like the Hindus of pre-British era did.

God, save those who don't want to save themselves.
 
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bhaiyooo ek mahan kavi ne ek baat likhi thi ki

JAB AYEGA BISAM BISA NA RAHEGA MUSLIM NA REHGA ISA


means when 2020 comes no muslim no christan will be indian
 
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Vivi Dear, be rational, use some prudence. :)
First thing is this, Kalidasa was not a hindi poet, his compositions are found in Sanskrit language only. :)
And the second thing is this, Islam originated about 500 years after his death. So how could he write anything about the Muslims. :) :)



bhaiyooo ek mahan kavi ne ek baat likhi thi ki

JAB AYEGA BISAM BISA NA RAHEGA MUSLIM NA REHGA ISA
by kalidas
means when 2020 comes no muslim no christan will be indian
 
BHAI LOGON GANDHI JI KO FOLLOW KARTE RAHO..... COZ.. 1ST AFGHANISTAN THEN PAKISTAN AND ..... IF NOT.... THEN STAND UP LIKE "Nalwa"


 
Dear Vivi
I'm unable to get what you want to say exactly.
Mujhe itani typical Haryanavi kabhi nahi suni :confused:
Pls make some efforts to explain it... I'm waiting :) :)
Regards


bhai us kavi ka nam edit kar liya s ......galti hogi thi ki main galat khabar lyaya aage t na karoon ..par manee tu jaroor bata diye ki kisne kahi thi ya baaat
 
Hello Vivi
I'm sorry for it yaar,but pls don't take it otherwise. I simply put my views in respect of the poet. Bcz U mentioned his name and I was sure that he never wrote any such lines. :) :)


bhai us kavi ka nam edit kar liya s ......galti hogi thi ki main galat khabar lyaya aage t na karoon ..par manee tu jaroor bata diye ki kisne kahi thi ya baaat
 
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yeh hinduon ke itihaas kee vidambana rahi hae ki ussne hamesha bahaar se doosre dharmon aur jaatiyon ke logon ko khushi khushi gale lagaya aur unhi doosro ne un hinduon ka gala kaata.

had it not been for the advent of the british, i and you would have been known today by some muslim names. Agar aurangzeb aur uske vanshaj kuch sadiyaan aur raj karte toh hindu bachte hee nahi. kahi jaziya, kahi hindu aurton ko uthwana, etc, etc. Atrocities and atrocities everywhere. What is happening to hindu families in pakistan and kashmir is testimony to the mindset of muslims. In pakistan, muslim youth forcefully abduct young hindu girls for marriage and other purposes and the police there is also fundamentally religious to ignore such incidents.

in my area alone, there once used to be one dilapidated old mosque in the form of a barack with one or two fans and an old maulvi with just a handful of muslims (mainly migrants from up and bihar). the nearby local villagers never allowed the mosque to use loudspeakers for azaan. And today you look at the same building. It has transformed into a majestic multistoreyed building with acs and other modern amenities. The handful of muslims have grown into several thousands and still growing with each passing day. i am sure one day very soon, we will get to hear their aazaans on loudspeaker.

haryana has rarely witnessed communal riots in the past. but mark my words that is going to change very soon. With ever increasing outsider population including muslims spreading roots in haryana, the day is not far when we will have another gujarat here where hindu and muslims live in ghettos divided by a common road passing in between their ghettos. Some people, states and regions inherit such legacies and here we are inviting legacies of future conflicts, riots and turmoil.

it is a proven fact that the philosophy of muslims is to spread roots all across the world, numerically outnumber the local communities and then either forcibly convert the original inhabitants or ruthlessly decimate them. The best example of this is kashmir which not so long ago used to be a primarily hindu inhabitied and dominated region.

we can understand the compulsions of the political parties in going ahead with their policies of muslim appeasement which is a text book example of vote bank politics. However, what would strike an impartial observer is the fact that most of the so-called liberated hindus deep down in their hearts know what wrong is taking place and they also know what the consequences of these events will be, however though rather unfortunately, they choose to feign ignorance as if everything is hunky dory and will remain so in the future. But if things go this way, let me not remind but assure you, we will be running for cover against the atrocticities of muslims just like the hindus of pre-british era did.

god, save those who don't want to save themselves.

nice write-up... sunil.......... :(
 
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mein agar un musalmano ki jagah hoti to mein bhi yahi karti....
arrey pagal kar rakha hai inloggon ne puja aur dharam ke naam pe...
aur tumhe pooja karni hai to karo...auron ko kyun torture kar rahe ho...
meri dadi ke ghar ke pass ek mandir hai.....wahan pe subah 4 baje bhajan ke naam pe apna gala faadne lag jaate hein yeh log...aur raat ko 11 baje bhi shanti nahin...
koi bimar ho...padh raha ho...sab jaaye bhad mein....inhe to pooja karne do loudspeaker pe......
is this justified?
agar yeh aaram se apne ghar pe baith ke shanti se bhagwaan ka naam lenge to kya bhagwaan nahin sunega?
aur aisa nahin hai ki muslims ko kisi ne nahin bola unke loudspeakers ke liye...
n let us appreciate the fact ki woh sirf namaz ke time hi loudspeaker chalate hein...huamri tarah har samay shuru nahin rehte....
mere frend ke ghar ke pass ek madir tha...exam time mein bhi auntiyan lagi rehti thi movie item numbers ke bhajan bana ke gaane mein....hum loggon ko kitna disturbance hota tha hum jaante hein.....
n jo burai hai woh to burai hai...fir woh musalmaan hoon ya hindu...
 
Violence cannot be justified by any damn excuse in the world

Why hasn't Haryana witnessed communal riots or bomb blasts similar to the ones in Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Jaipur, etc. Has anyone gone into the reason or pondered over the reason for this?

It would not be very difficult to see the reason behind, at least as long as one is willing to see it NOT through the prism/glasses of pseudo-secularim (muslim appeasement). The reason very clearly is the comparativly low percentage of muslim population in Haryana, again at least till now. Wherever the bomb blasts have occured in India, you have large muslim populations in those towns/cities which more than willingly provide logistic and other support. These sleeper cells have penetrated every nook and corner of the country - Gujarat to Assam & West Bengal and Kashmir to Kerala.

But the scene in Haryana which till now was free of these symptoms is going to change pretty much soon with the large scale influx of outsiders including Muslims.

Educational and social backwardness is just an excuse used by them to justify their cowardly acts and the so called intelligentsia including the media is more than willing to endorse this viewpoint. If they are backward which they actually are not (in today's time), it's because of their own choice - preferring to send their children to Madrassas, preferring fundamentalist religious education over modern education system. But even if we look around, this notion of them being backward will not hold ground as you will see so many of them holding top notch positions in the corporate world and civil administration (2 ex- presidents and the current vice president included). Even after getting modern education, their mindset remains the same as has been proven by the involvement of so many educated muslim youth including software engineers' involvement in terrorist acts.

If they justify violence on the grounds that their community is being discriminated against, then every single citizen of this country should take to terrorist activities because I am sure he would have also felt discriminated at some point of time or other in his life by some or the other act of government.

The muslims of Kashmir are being provided free lunches so to speak (through grants of crores and crores of rupees every year) and yet they call us bloody Indians, Crores of rupees are spent on Indian muslims including Kashmiris over Haj subsidies and yet they support terrorism by setting up sleeper cells, Crores of rupees are spent on the upkeep and maintenance of Wakf properties, yet these very properties are used as hotbeds for spreading fanaticism. We have so many Muslim Universities, like the Jamia, Hamdard, AMU etc, which receive Govt. (UGC) grants and yet they produce quite a handful of fanatics who go on to the glorified path of Jihad. And then we have the shameless people like Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtar - the so called intelligentsia glorified by the media to the status of demi-Gods publicly blaming the very Hindus who have given the muslims of this country more freedom than even any Islamic country affords to its muslims.

Please visit Old Delhi (also North West Delhi) or any other city for that matter and you will find that the entire roads are blocked for traffic during namaaz. Which civilised society allows this? And yet the government, the administration dare not say anything. The police dare not enter the muslim dominated areas to catch criminals (except for the recent incident at Delhi where the government had to take that bitter step in the face of the huge nationwide public outcry).

What secularim do we talk of. It only is good to read and write about it in the books. Violence in any form cannot be justified by any damn excuse in the world. The pujari of a mandir being beaten up by muslims is not just an act of religious intolerance but the harbinger of the things to come. If we still don't see the true picture we never will...
 
Nice write ups Sandeep .... though I am not convinced/clear about few ....

Could you please put your thoughts what do you think should be done by non-muslims in this case (overall picture in country)?

Second, for this particular incident please dont include muslims/hindus ...
Is it right to use loudspeaker at odd timings?
Does using loudspeaker increase faith in gods or does it help some way or the other to increase humanity?

Haan mein aapki is baat se sehamat hun ki ye log jyadatar galat thoughts ke shikar hein .... to aap kya samajhte ho ki kya kiya jae?
 
The first and foremost solution - Respect your own faith

Jitender,

Though your question is addressed to Sandeep, I would like to put in a few points here.

As to your question of what the non-muslims should do, I am not sure about others, but at least the Hindus need to be proud of their faith and accord due respect to their faith and the followers of their faith. It is a common practice these days - in case you (Hindu) want to project yourself as liberated/member of the so-called intelligentsia brigade, you need to criticise and belittle your own faith. The media of this country is playing a key role in this glorified endeavour of Hindu bashing (there are numerous instances to prove it, but I am sure this is not the thread to enumerate them). If you don't respect your own faith, community, heritage, traditions, please don't expect people of other faiths, communities, heritages, traditions to do it for you.

Today, Pujaris have been beaten up for playing meditational music over loudspeakers, tomorrow Hindus taking out marriage or religious processions would be beaten up because the NOISE created might not sound soothing to muslim ears. And who knows, tomorrow they may even object to and BAN completely the bursting of crackers on Diwali or using colours during Holi as it might be un-islamic.

There are other imperative measures also which the Hindus/non-muslims need to take in order to counter the challenges posed by the acts of Islamic fanatics, but I guess they would appear too radical to some of the people who are comfortably ignoring at least till now the writing on the wall. These imperative measures will need to be taken at some later point in time, though the only hope is that it is should not be too late for those measures by then.

The only question is how many more bomb blasts need to happen and how Many Inspector Sharma's need to give up their lives for this country before the common man in general and Hindus in particular wake up to the reality - the reality which we all know but shy away from accepting and expressing.
 
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Well Sunil Bhai I respect your opinion but to put all the muslims in bad category doesn't seem fair now.. I live in a country which has Islam as its official religion( Though people from Kerala easily outnumber arabs here in UAE) I haven't yet faced a single problem due to my faith, religion or anything else. Eating, smoking and drinking in open is banned during their holy month of ramadaan ( Thats understandable) but apart from that you have complete freedom to do what you want to do. The muslims are very polite and helpful. The problem in India is we always looked at them with suspicious eyes after partition. We ( I mean the hindus) kept wondering why are these muslims in India when a separate nation has been created for them. Nobody likes to be treated as a suspect all his life so a large number of muslims turned their back on India and joined all the terrorist organisations. As for terrorism, IRA killed more people in Britain then the number of people that died in 9/11, so does that mean all the catholics are terrorists??? Remember the terrorism in Punjab in 80's and 90's, were all the sikhs terminated to solve the issue????? China has as much part of India in its possession as pakistan occupied kashmir... do we hate all the chinese people. No you will not think that way about the christians or sikhs or chinese. We are prejudiced towards the Muslims, lets face it. If we dont give them a chance how will they join our mainstream society. You keep looking down on them they will revolt. As for terrorism worldwide, Its interesting that USA created Osama Bin Laden and when he became too big for them to handle, they make him Enemy No. 1. We burn christians in India, we burn trains full of muslims in India and when some of them get offended and hit back we call them bloody terrorists. Way to go proud Hindus... There are a lot of Taxi drivers here in Dubai from Kashmir ( all muslims), when i ask them what they think about the kashmir crisis and what do they want, All of them reply- we want to be left alone, we are sick & tired of violence. I am really disappointed with the attitude of people here... In the end i will just like to ask one question from all the angry people in this forum, How many muslims do you know personally??? How many muslim friends you have??? Dont invlove a whole community in mud slinging because of the act of some people.
 
Jitender,

Though your question is addressed to Sandeep, I would like to put in a few points here.

As to your question of what the non-muslims should do, I am not sure about others, but at least the Hindus need to be proud of their faith and accord due respect to their faith and the followers of their faith. .

Sorry Kadian bhai yo Sandeep galati te likhya gaya ... this was for you only ... thanks for reply ...

Bhai mere manne ke lage hai ...

1) I am in sink with you that we should have faith in our religion. But please figure out how a person can understand the things that decide his faith. Means what should he do to increase his faith in his religion?

Is using loudspeakers 24 hours satisfy this condition to have faith?

Instead I feel that

1) The increasing Pandas at religious sites .... decrease my visit to them ... latte taran ne ho jyan sein salle. (To some the pandas are the symbol of hinduism but not for me)
2) Using such kind of loudspeakers and whole night BARKING in case of JAGRATA/MATA KI CHOWKI by these refugees is somewhere irritating to me and pushed me to remark like anastik. Hence to me they decreases my faith somewhere.
3) Visit to any hindu temple and see the facilities ... example ... Balaji Menhdipur rajasthan .... I still dont know if some super power is there or not ... still I feel good to be there .... but looking at the facilities there I feel bad ... the pandas or the society there is getting lakhs of notes .... aur mein aaj kaheta hun ki wahan koe intejam nahi hai ... aap jake dekh sakte ho ... gand macha hai ... loot macha rakhi hai in dharam ke thekkedaron ne .... Go to any gurdvara ... they manage such a nice way that you feel to go there again and again .... such things ditract faith.
4) Bahut sari andh vishvasi batein ghus gae hein iss dharam mein .... jinko ki humein dekhna chahiye aur sirf sudh cheej ko hi apnana chahiye .... dharamandhta theek nahi hai kisi terah bhi.

Jahaan tak aapne kaha ki kal ko ye us baat pe ungli uthaenge ... iss pe uthaenge ... wo humein dekhna hai ki agar wo humari sahi hai to hum na jhukein .... lekin iska ye matlab nahi ki hum apni galat ko sir pe leke chalein ... apni jo galat hein wo sirf musalmano ko nahi khud hunduon ki bhi hani pahucha rahi hein.

Ab ye jo cristians ko maar rahe hein ... is it right in your view? I am still not very much clear in my thoughts .... but I feel that why dont they provide the hindus who are dying for hunger some food rather than jhoota prachar ...trishool banto ... etc ..... these missionaries are helping those people to have food and in turn they are getting them turned Cristians. Though on their part also it is wrong .... but in our part is it the solution to kill these missionaries only?
 
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Sandeep bhai,

I could not have wished more for things to be as simple as portrayed by you. Muslims are innocent and the non-muslims (including Hindus and chritstians) the world over are after them. The non-muslims the world over are planting bombs in regions as far separated as the US, the middle east (Israel), Africa (Egypt, Somalia, etc)), South East Asia (India, Afghanistan etc), Far east (Indonesia (Bali)) and not the muslims. With customs as old and rudimentary as ‘Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth’ still being followed all across the muslim world with fervour, what more can one expect. Places like Dubai (UAE) are islands of reason and sanity in a sea of muslim nations which are characterised by violence and bloodshed. Kindly go through the recently conducted surveys across the western world where a sizeable proportion of the muslim community surveyed justified acts of violence in the name of their religion which was considered more supreme, important and quintessential than life of an innocent. As far as muslim friends are concerned, I have had quite a few but I am still to come across one who truly and sincerely detests acts of violence in the name of religion.

To set the record straight, no train full of muslim passengers was ever burnt, it was the other way round. Train full of Hindu pilgrims including innocent women and children was burnt to ashes at Godhara without the slightest of compassion or mercy. You don’t have to first become a victim of that mindless violence to see the real picture – hate campaign spread by the muslims in this country. If the majority of the muslim community had been peace loving you would not have had terrorists attacks in Kashmir, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Delhi, U.P., Karnataka, Assam, West Bengal (I may still be missing quite a few states). Kisi ne sahi kaha hae, jab jaago tab savera – it seems Hindu community’s savera is still far away, only hope that the community survives till then.

Nobody including me is in favour of exterminating the muslim community, but we need to have innocents all across the world facing the music of Islamic fanaticism draw up a line and say enough is enough, not beyond this point. However, if one still wishes to keep his or her eyes closed despite the muslim terrorist attacks shouting aloud over the rooftop, then no point or counterpoint can be productive enough to spend time on.


Jitender bhai,

As far as your point over the pandits is concerned – no doubt, malpractices have existed in the past and still continue. However, we should at the same time, despite the fact that superstition was spread by a small percentage of the pandits, give them credit for having kept the flag of Hinduism and its associated traditions flying high. It does not seem plausible to me that one can hate one’s religion just because the keepers of his places of worship are corrupt. Faith is much deeper than that if one actually is faithful enough. Faith in one’s faith is unshakeable, though not to the extent of killing innocents as in the case of muslims. Hindus like Christians have transformed themselves over the centuries but the same is yet to be seen in Muslims, though it does not even seem to be a distant reality.

As far as killing of Christians is concerned, the same is detestable to the extent possible. Losing of any innocent life be it of a person of any faith is deplorable. However, these are random and rare incidents which were fuelled by the killing of the 86 year old VHP monk Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati in Orissa. These acts against Christians have till now not been adequately proven to have been perpetrated by any Hindu organisation. You are right - the contributions of Christian missionaries in spreading education and awareness cannot be underplayed. However, why does anybody need to convert to Christianity to get those benefits if community service is the actual and only motive of the missionaries? Why does one need to convert to Christianity and proclaim that Christian God is better than Hindu God as has happened in Orissa and Karnataka? And who knows, these acts could even have been perpetrated by some anti-national elements including muslims to bring bad name to Hindus and divert the national attention off of their cowardly acts after Delhi blasts.

Hindus have been turned into second class citizens in their own country with so much of focus and privileges being extended to the minorities (mainly to the muslims). You can destroy a 1000 temples (also the samudra setam) without giving a damn about it, but the government and the pseudo-secularists get frozen in their tracks even on the thought of breaking a mosque for development of that particular land. We have had 2 muslim presidents in the past and one muslim who is the Vice president of India at present and yet they are crying foul and charging the country of discrimination. No better example of ungali pakad ke pauncha pakadna than this. But we will still keep our eyes and ears closed because we are secular and all that that is mentioned in our constitution. How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines. Earlier Pakistan and now Kashmir. But mind you, it would not be separation this time– it would be nothing short of large scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus after that and unfortunately unlike muslims, the common Hindu does not have too many options (places) to pursue as there are no Hindu countries. Hindus were spread out at one point in time from the middle east to the far east including Indonesia and Malaysia and today because of its philosophy of Sarv Dharm Sambhaav, they are confined just to India and Nepal.

Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…
 
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No one can be termed as guilty or innocent based on the religion of that person, thats what i have been telling you. Its just not right to brand all muslims as terrorists. Sorry got the train mixed up but the point was Hindus, muslims, christians, sikhs- we all have blood on our hands. Every community has shed blood of others when given the chance. Religious fanatics exist in all of them. Rest you all are smart enough to make judgement for yourself.


Sandeep bhai,

I could not have wished more for things to be as simple as portrayed by you. Muslims are innocent and the non-muslims (including Hindus and chritstians) the world over are after them. The non-muslims the world over are planting bombs in regions as far separated as the US, the middle east (Israel), Africa (Egypt, Somalia, etc)), South East Asia (India, Afghanistan etc), Far east (Indonesia (Bali)) and not the muslims. With customs as old and rudimentary as ‘Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth’ still being followed all across the muslim world with fervour, what more can one expect. Places like Dubai (UAE) are islands of reason and sanity in a sea of muslim nations which are characterised by violence and bloodshed. Kindly go through the recently conducted surveys across the western world where a sizeable proportion of the community surveyed justified acts of violence in the name of their religion which was considered more supreme, important and quintessential than life of an innocent. As far as muslim friends are concerned, I have had quite a few but I am still to come across one who truly and sincerely detests acts of violence in the name of religion.

To set the record straight, no train full of muslim passengers was ever burnt, it was the other way round. Train full of Hindu pilgrims including innocent women and children was burnt to ashes at Godhara without the slightest of compassion or mercy. You don’t have to first become a victim of that mindless violence to see the real picture – hate campaign spread by the muslims in this country. If the majority of the muslim community had been peace loving you would not have had terrorists attacks in Kashmir, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Delhi, U.P., Karnataka, Assam, West Bengal (I may still be missing quite a few states). Kisi ne sahi kaha hae, jab jaago tab savera – it seems Hindu community’s savera is still far away, only hope that the community survives till then.

Nobody including me is in favour of exterminating the muslim community, but we need to have innocents all across the world facing the music of Islamic fanaticism draw up a line and say enough is enough, not beyond this point. However, if one still wishes to keep his or her eyes closed despite the muslim terrorist attacks shouting aloud over the rooftop, then no point or counterpoint can be productive enough to spend time on.


Jitender bhai,

As far as your point over the pandits is concerned – no doubt, malpractices have existed in the past and still continue. However, we should at the same time, despite the fact that superstition was spread by a small percentage of the pandits, give them credit for having kept the flag of Hinduism and its associated traditions flying high. It does not seem plausible to me that one can hate one’s religion just because the keepers of his places of worship are corrupt. Faith is much deeper than that if one actually is faithful enough. Faith in one’s faith is unshakeable, though not to the extent of killing innocents as in the case of muslims. Hindus like Christians have transformed themselves over the centuries but the same is yet to be seen in Muslims, though it does not even seem to be a distant reality.

As far as killing of Christians is concerned, the same is detestable to the extent possible. Losing of any innocent life be it of a person of any faith is deplorable. However, these are random and rare incidents which were fuelled by the killing of the 86 year old VHP monk Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati in Orissa. These acts against Christians have till now not been adequately proven to have been perpetrated by any Hindu organisation. You are right - the contributions of Christian missionaries in spreading education and cannot be underplayed. However, why does anybody need to convert to Christianity to get those benefits if community service is the actual and only motive of the missionaries? Why does one need to convert to Christianity and proclaim that Christian God is better than Hindu God as has happened in Orissa and Karnataka? And who knows, these acts could even have been perpetrated by some anti-national elements including muslims to bring bad name to Hindus and divert the national attention off of their cowardly acts after Delhi blasts.

Hindus have been turned into second class citizens in their own country with so much of focus and privileges being extended to the minorities (mainly to the muslims). You can destroy a 1000 temples (also the samudra setam) without giving a damn about it, but the government and the pseudo-secularists get frozen in their tracks even on the thought of breaking a mosque for development of that particular land. We have had 2 muslim presidents in the past and one muslim who is the Vice president of India at present and yet they are crying foul and charging the country of discrimination. No better example of ungali pakad ke pauncha pakadna than this. But we will still keep our eyes and ears closed because we are secular and all that that is mentioned in our constitution. How many times does this country need to be divided on religious lines. Earlier Pakistan and now Kashmir. But mind you, it would not be separation this time– it would be nothing short of large scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus after that and unfortunately unlike muslims, the common Hindu does not have too many options (places) to pursue as there are no Hindu countries. Hindus were spread out at one point in time from the middle east to the far east including Indonesia and Malaysia and today because of its philosophy of Sarv Dharm Sambhaav, they are confined just to India and Nepal.

Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…
 
Please hit us on the left cheek and we will forward the right one for you to oblige…

:) Nice write up again Sunil.

1) Yes, it is right that these muslims are the root cause of most of the issues at international level. Like ... bosnia/harzegovina, checheniya, bharat, indonesia, malasia, India etc etc.

2) Even the learned among them are not ready to re-iterate the preachings that a illitrate maulvi give them. I have few muslims as friends. Though they are nice by behaviour but still there is some blockage somewhere. Ek din baat hon thi ki bharat ki main problem ke hai .... to niskarsh nikla ke ....population ... pher manne kahi ek bhai tum aaj ke time pe bhi 4-4 byah ... er itne balak ... to dikkat to yahe hai .... ye 4-4 byah us time pe theek hongi jib rohj ladai hoya karti er aadmi thode they ....pher wo nue bolya ek bhai ke pharak pad jyaga je dharam ke liye mutthi bhar muslim ye follow kar lenge to ... ha ha ha ... to bhai they are brainwashed. Ek aur nue bolya ek hum je nue karange to humne upar jake ghani ee hoor milengi ... ha ha

3) Mhare gaam mein Shekh/telli sein ... azadi ke time pe ye hindu ho gae they ... saryan ke naam hindu ... pher neechey neechey inka mind wash kiya gaya aur inhone muslim dharam apna liya. ek choti si Masjid bana li. Ek dada sein uneh 3-4 saal pahelyan kae bahar ke admi dekhey hude ... to soochana di rohtak thane mein ... chappa marya to 2 ugarvadi pae ... ek mhare shekh lag rahya tha chinai pe ... nue bolya eeb mhare 101 gaam ho rahe sein iss ilake mein ... jummass na khan.

To solution kya hai iss sab ka ...

1) Yes, you are right that increase in faith should be there and increase in strength should also be. We should unite. but sorry to say not by loudspeakers or any other wrong acts. Apne mandiron ki rajneeti ya paise kamane ka aadda mat banane do ... aur logon ko facility do. Cristians paise de rahe hein ... to tum roti bhi nahi de sakte kya? aur phir arop bhi unpe ki wo galat hein .... haan wo galat hein ... par kya humare ye hindu sangathan jaise VHP/Bajrang Dal kuch kar rahe hein aise logon ke liye?

2) Jaise peechey HAJ yatra ki subsidy ko leke court mein gae hein ... this is right step. There should be no special priviledges to these muslims. This itself is the root cause. Madarsson ko band karo ya phir there should be govt handling of these. There should be no difference in treatment on the basis religion. Haan faith to bacha ke jo kuch kar sakte hein strictly karna chahiye. Agar nahi hai to public petitions dali jani chahiye.

3) This is truth that spreading hatred will not do. You cannot remove the muslims from this land. Instead you have to co-exist. So the Govt or media should not treat them specially only going by their greeds.

UK Govt is giving proper attention to the learned muslims. They are promoting them and provide their thoughts time to time on national BBC broadcast and documentaries. During them they talk very logical so as to attempt attention of the learned and thoughful muslims.

The same kind of telecasts should be there to decrease kattarpant among them. Spread Education more and more ....

bera na bhai ... ke sahi hai er ke galat ... par itna jaroor se ... ki haan ye ghankhare galat directed hein ...... haan galat ko karara jawab jaroor dena chahiye .... aur sarkar ko aachey padhey likhey muslims aage lyane chahiye jo ki kuran ki sahi teachings dien ineh .... aadhey te ye mind wash aale handey sein.

These are sensitive issues and should be handled wisely and this is clear that One should not communalise every thing. Like this Pujari thing. eeb nue maan ke dekho ki mein gaya hota er meri gail rolla ho jyata pujari ka PHER? Ya baat sirf nue tool pakad gi ek wo musalman tha?

I still say that loudspeakers and such nonsense acts not only are problems for hindus but also for everyone. We cant provide them right certificate for each and everything in the name of religion.

Haan Prashasan and Govt should not be soft like they are in the case of Afzal .... ye incident ineh dus-sahsi banave hein. Jo criminal hai usko tang dyo ... us case mein nue mat dekho ek yo muslim hai ya hindu.
 
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