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It has been my obersvation over the last couple of years that there has been a growing islamisation of the media.

Everyday, we watch news on the Hindi news channels which invariably use more of Urdu words and diction than hindi. We listen to radio programmes on channels which are again supposed to be Hindi language channels but the amount of Urdu used there surpasses the Hindi actually used. In fact, quite a few of the programmes on the FM stations have started beginning and ending their programmes with greetings like waeliqum salam and Khuda hafiz/shaba khair interspersed with numerous words like shukriya, insha allah, etc., etc.

We watch Hindi movies which very evidently are more of Urdu movies than Hindi movies. We listen to the so-called Hindi songs when actually these are Urdu songs. In fact what appears to be the phenomenon is urdufication which once used to be limited to the so-called bollywood and is gradually percolating to the other forms of media like television, radio, newspapers, magazines etc.

On introspection of the language used by me, I see that even I use quite a few urdu words in my conversations, the reason for which I analysed to be the bombardment of urdu in the media surrounding me. In fact, even today, despite it being Gandhi Jayanti, the media is falling head over heels to project itself more and more pro-Islamic by airing lengthy programmes on Eid, thereby overshadowing the birthday celebrations of the father of the nation and the least to mention, the Navratras. There are full page press ads sponsored by various government departments on the occasion of Eid.

Would pure hindi become extinct like sanskrit in the times to come? Would we be in another few years' time another Urdu speaking nation?

P.S. Requesting posts from fellow members who think seriously on this issue and who can contribute productively on the pros and cons of this topic.
 
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skadian123 said:
It has been my obersvation over the last couple of years that there has been a growing islamisation of the media.

In fact, even today, despite it being Gandhi Jayanti, the media is falling head over heels to project itself more and more pro-Islamic by airing lengthy programmes on Eid, thereby overshadowing the birthday celebrations of the father of the nation and the least to mention, the Navratras. There are full page press ads sponsored by various government departments on the occasion of Eid.

Would pure hindi become extinct like sanskrit in the times to come? Would we be in another few years' time another Urdu speaking nation?
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Sunil,
You forgot to mention that it also happens to be the birth anniversary of one of our ex- Prime Minister who gave us the slogan "Jai Jawan- Jai Kisaan".
Yes, Lal Bahadur Shastri.

Regarding Sanskrit, there are few trying to revive this language:rock
Please read the following link from Hindustan Times

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=51aeb44c-438a-44b6-979b-baef18b83359

My daughter used to chant Shlokas and sing beautiful poems in Sanskrit when she was in 1-2 standard while we were in Pune.
(ekh: shrgaal h: wanam gachchhati
pipaasaa tasya bhubhubksha
wanam gachchhati....) Its the story of Fox and Sour Grapes.
The way they used to teach was remarkable.They made it so interesting, beginning with stories and poems children were familiar with in English. Also, they insisted on Oral rather than written. Once the children learnt to speak, they would teach them to write.

Now here in Delhi, no Sanskrit till 4th std and when in 5th, she had a choice between Sanskrit and French. And you can guess what she has opted for;)
Still I have got her the Sanskrit book too and try to teach her.

Regards,
bharti
 
Coincidentally I was thinking of something on the line of the languages but not exactly this yesterday.

I find the criticism by Sunil a bit harsh and also a bit targetted.

Its perhaps not the Urdu but English as well as the culprit for ruining the flavour of "Pure Hindi".


Dont we use a lot of English words as well when we converse? Even the illiterates use them a lot.

Infact to be true , the language in Delhi and North India and the one which is spoken around in educated friend circle is no one language , its a mix of all... ! So i would not like to pin point any one particular language as the culprit.


Now what I was thinking yesterday was that no matter how fluent are you in one language , probably the most fun and interaction one can have is in his/her mother language! I was out on October fest yesterday with colleagues and though I perfectly communicate with them in office and for official purposes but when enjoying there is always a communication gap. To add , i have an indian colleague in US and i prefer to write to him in hindi on emails :D


Regarding Media coverage , media shows what sells , free markets u know. US is realising that free markets are perhaps not the best ( with their bail out packages and stuff) , may be some day Indian media would!


Cheers,
Anil
 
I dont think its the urdufication or whatever other name you gave it, rather its all about opening up to other languages, i have seen people making efforts on learning foreign languages that are not even spoken in india, what you will call that? I think english is the language that is spoken all over the world , what it would be called? americanisation or britishanisation?
So from my point of view i dont think there is any harm in using urdu words or for that matter english words on hindi news channel. Its upto individuals how they percieve it rather than islamisation or urdufication.

P.S: Its hurt when they are showing about Eid rather than Mahatma Gandhi or Lal Bahadur Shastri or Navratras But it does not hurt even a bit when they are not showing about Shaheed-e-azam Bhagat Singh ( ponder over this).
 
Some more pros and cons

Varied and some worth pondering replies - at least some. Though, at the same time, regret having wasted somebody's time who called it 'wastage of time'. In fact, it was very encouraging to read Bharti ji's reply wherein she mentioned that she is ensuring that her daughter imbibes the Indian values and heritage, which I am sure most of us neglect.

The question still remains to a vast majority- is Hindi going to be soon extinct just the way Sanskrit became extinct. Are the French and English foolish that they feel offended when you don't speak with them in their own language or is that we feel ashamed in honouring something including our culture and language which is intrinsically ours. There is no harm in learning and using foreign languages but should it necessarily be at the cost of your own language? Urdu or English are some of the most beautiful languages, but is Hindi that bad/ugly a language that it should not be used?

With things continuing like this, I foresee within this decade just two languages being spoken in India, particularly the urban India - Urdu and English.

Expecting some more soul searching here with both the pros and cons.

P.S. For those who think it is wastage of time, the same is regretted. You may please excuse this post.
 
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Actually the fact is that we are ashamed of our own culture, feel ashamed in speaking Hindi or for that matter any of our native dialect.
and majority of us feel ashamed ....baaki jo marji chaahe hum claim kar de....lekin sachai to yahi hai....
 
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Actually the fact is that we are ashamed of our own culture, feel ashamed in speaking Hindi or for that matter any of our native dialect.
and majority of us feel ashamed ....baaki jo marji chaahe hum claim kar de....lekin sachai to yahi hai....
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True to a very large extent actually, no matter what anyone else says. And sunil there is no urduisation going on, Its just that the language in north india hasn't been pure hindi for a very long time. All the muslim invaders left their imprints on Indian culture and language is an inherent part of culture. After moving to the gulf i realised we use quite a few arabic words too in day to day use in India. But dealing with americans or europeans we feel ashamed in using our mother tongue which is a fact. Even among indians its kind of fashionable to speak english rather than hindi. I dont know whats the solution to this is but you can look at france if you need any inspiration. All those buggers know english but make you speak in french before they acknowledge you.
 
Urdu replacing Hindi

The question put in my initial post still remains - Is Hindi going the same way as Sanskrit. The Hindi news, movies, songs, every day language - Is it actually Hindi or there is an increasing trend of urdufication.

Most of the replies have been defensive in nature here, justifying that even English is being used mixed with Hindi and that Urdu should not be targetted. My question is that considering the amount of actual Hindi used till a few years back, can we confidently say that the actual usage at present is the same or not. My question never was and still is not - which language is the best. All languages are good in their own right.

My contention is that in the times to come there would be only two languages used in India - Urdu and English especially in the metros. Urdu would completely replace Hindi. Even in the present case, is it not misleading to label news, movies, songs, etc. as Hindi when they mostly comprise of urdu words and dialect.
 
skadian123 said:
The question put in my initial post still remains - Is Hindi going the same way as Sanskrit. The Hindi news, movies, songs, every day language - Is it actually Hindi or there is an increasing trend of urdufication.

Most of the replies have been defensive in nature here, justifying that even English is being used mixed with Hindi and that Urdu should not be targetted. My question is that considering the amount of actual Hindi used till a few years back, can we confidently say that the actual usage at present is the same or not. My question never was and still is not - which language is the best. All languages are good in their own right.

My contention is that in the times to come there would be only two languages used in India - Urdu and English especially in the metros. Urdu would completely replace Hindi. Even in the present case, is it not misleading to label news, movies, songs, etc. as Hindi when they mostly comprise of urdu words and dialect.
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Sorry but I am not getting on why you are hell bent on saying only urdu will remain. If Delhites have a tinge of Haryanvi and Punjabi in their talks , would you consider that as good or bad ?

Waht if we look for the other side , hindi replaing words in Urdu ?

Can you as well place some facts on how much Hindi and Urdu overlap in terms of their word usage? May be we can do an analysis!

Many thanks!
Anil
 
Question still remains

The question supposed to be asked and answered in this thread is not to rank languages as good or bad. Nor is it a question of which language is the best.

At the same time, neither do I say that the increasing use of Urdu or decline of Hindi Usage is bad. It's the trend which I have observed over the past few years which made me think:

1. Is the use of actual Hindi words in our daily usage declining?
2. Would Hindi be an obsolete language like Sanskrit in the times to come?

Simple questions seeking simple or not so simple answers. Thats it!!
 
skadian123 said:
1. Is the use of actual Hindi words in our daily usage declining?
2. Would Hindi be an obsolete language like Sanskrit in the times to come?

Simple questions seeking simple or not so simple answers. Thats it!!
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Yes Sunil, I agree with you that

1) Use of Hindi words in our daily usage is reducing drastically. Also the chaltu (mix of hindi, english, urdu, local) bhasha is increasing. Like 'Mast', 'jhakkas', 'bole to', 'bindas', 'wat lag gae', 'yaar' etc are the words those are in abundance. Means whatever language it is, the use of chaltu words is more and people (including we/me) are less caring about the discipline in word picking instead the casual attitude is gaining popularity.
(Not saying it is bad or not here, each may have different thoughts)

2) Yes, Sudh hindi has took a back seat already and in near future it may go more less in use. Instead the sudh roop of all languages is changing. Shayad hindi wali kahani sabhi languages ke sath hai apne desh mein.
 
skadian123 said:
Would pure hindi become extinct like sanskrit in the times to come? Would we be in another few years' time another Urdu speaking nation?
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Bhai Urdu speaking to na lagta manney ... haan chaltu speaking to ho rahya hai er hovega dikhey aur ... sadakchap bhasha is gaining popularity.
 
ye to hona hi hai. jab tak ham apni matribhasha main baat karne main heen bhavna maante rahenge ye to hoga hi. jab koi shudh hindi main baat karta hai to logon ko lagt hai ki koi purane samay ka aadmi hai, anpar type, modern nahi hai etc etc.
yehi kaaran hai ki hum apni bhasha nahi bolta. nahi to hindi sarvshrestha bhasha hai kyunki sanskrit ke sabse jyada nikat hai
 
No way, Urdu will never take over!

I agree with Jitender, i think the 'chaltu" language is getting quite common, i myself am the biggest mixer of hindi and english, mostly because im not exposed to a lot of hindi, as i stay in a english environment. But Im very proud of my national language and try to always speak in hindi with my dad, with my mother i always speak in hindi, because she doesnt know english. I think because of more english shows being televised, indian people are starting to talk more of the "chaltu" talk.
I think it is up to pay as much attention to our hindi as to our english, so that we maintain the beauty of our language. Im not afraid of urdu taking over, i think thats nonsense; i think its a bit fake to suddenly start talking in urdu unless you want to be a pakistani, and indians are too patriotic to betray their language like that, but i am fearful that the chaltu language may start dominating in the future, and hindi may lose some of its lustre.

As for the comment on being ashamed of hindi or any other dialect, i personally am not ashamed of my hindi or the marwari my mother speaks. I used to be a bit embarrased when my mother spoke hindi mixed with some marwari (she cudnt help it) in public with the other aunties when i was young, but i got over it long time ago, because i realized everybody in jhunjhunu (my hometown) speaks the same marwari- so why shud i be ashamed i shud be and am proud of my dialect cos its a part of my roots!, if im not proud of them it is like im letting people think their language is better than mine!
Yes, marwari sounds a bit crude, but to me it sounds cool, it sounds tough, and it sounds funny in a nice way. So you guys dont be ashamed of ur hindi or ur dialects, be proud!

p.s. im sorry there are a lot of gramatical errors (too many commas) but im not in the mood to be gramatically correct, jus wanted to get my point out.
 
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It is advisable to have a look on the history of Indian official Language before blaming present media, movies and people.

Urdu was the official language of the Delhi Sultanate (1200 to 1525 AD) and the Mughal Empire (1526 to 1857 AD ). During these more than 600 years Urdu was used everywhere from domestic to official levels. Urdu used to be the only language in which Administration, Judiciary, Laws were made. The literature and their publication were also in Urdu. So, it can be easily understandable that how deeply it got penetrated into the Indian households. How can be blame present media for this as they just present what people like to hear and read only which is their main motto i.e. to increase their selling/viewing.

Have a look upon old Hindi movies where most of the dialogue and songs contains Urdu words. If you people talk about the songs then just pay attention to the fact that Gazal is most widely used and most popular form of poetry and all the songs were based on gazals which in turn got converted into present hindi songs. Our present songs (including oldies) are just a new modified version of Gazal. Most of our songs have no literary value if we analyze them according to the technical aspects of literature ( both Hindi and Urdu ) except a few classical compositions.

Similarly in Judiciary and Administration documents most of the words are still in urdu which were used during those 600 years ... neither British nor Independent Indian Govt took any pain to change that. Don't you see that the documents about our Agriculture, Residential Lands are written in Urdu mostly. Similarly in court caes we came across that almost everything is written in Urdu.

Spoken Urdu is quite alike Hindi/Devnagiri if people don't use some complex and specific words. We don't have to change grammer if we replace some Urdu words by Hindi/Devnagiri or vice versa in a sentence. That make it quite handy and often language got intemixed.

The Hindi/Devnagiri ( or Sanskrit) in ancient times, later urdu influence and finally inclusion of English in our spoken language has made it a mixed language which is not a pure language of any domain. We just use them according to our need, choice and suitbalility depending on the situation.

For God or bad, but this mixed language or dialect, whatever you like to call it, seems to become the future of our spoken and written practice.
 
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The first practical point to be considered in this thread is that all those who are so concerned about the vanishment of Hindi Language should write in shudh Hindi, whatever the font being used- Roman or Devnagri,, but the content should be in HIndi. Try it out and check, how much comfortable we ourselves are in the use of Hindi before questioning others.
 
vijay said:
<b><font color="sienna">Spoken Urdu is quite alike Hindi/Devnagiri if people don't use some complex and specific words. We don't have to change grammer if we replace some Urdu words by Hindi/Devnagiri or vice versa in a sentence. That make it quite handy and often language got intemixed.

The Hindi/Devnagiri ( or Sanskrit) in ancient times, later urdu influence and finally inclusion of English in our spoken language has made it a mixed language which is not a pure language of any domain. We just use them according to our need, choice and suitbalility depending on the
situation.

For God or bad, but this mixed language or dialect, whatever you like to call it, seems to become the future of our spoken and written practice.
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The source/origin of many hindi words is Urdu/farsi/ or Sanskrit....and same is happening now for English also, as Sanskrit/Hindi being the origin of English words.
 
neels said:
The source/origin of many hindi words is Urdu/farsi/ or Sanskrit....and same is happening now for English also, as Sanskrit/Hindi being the origin of English words.
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Nope, Sanskrit is the source of all Hindi words. Urdu contains so many words of Sanskrit/Hindi as Urdu itself is a derived language but not an original one. Urdu is a mixture of Persian, Arabic and Hindi and was popularised by Muslim rulers in India. India have the largest Urdu speaking people in the world.
 
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