Sex Education in India : Whats the importance : Yes or No ???

[sumitsehrawat]

Certainly, you have not read the above posts. For sure, you are swimming in an ocean of 'misinterpretation'. I am sorry to know that people don't really read.

prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent ..Stopping the children from lightning the fire , people here want them to learn how to save yourself from the burning and if burnt how to apply burnol… give the children a strong character and good morals that they don’t dip their beaks in the red light areas except teaching them how to have a safe sex…

Being a two finger typist I m not able to flow an ocean of ink…thodey mein jyada samjho….

 

[jitendershooda]

Dear Brahaam (illusion)…sorry for being late…u identified India as a land of kamasutra but you forgot to mention the land of vedaas too.

prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent ..Stopping the children from lightning the fire , people here want them to learn how to save yourself from the burning and if burnt how to apply burnol… give the children a strong character and good morals that they don’t dip their beaks in the red light areas except teaching them how to have a safe sex…

Bhai Rupi sara likhya aud bera na kukar mit-gya ... hatke likhna pad rahya hai ....

You have written good with two anglees even.

WhoEver is talking about Kamasutra should talk about the age and method those teaching were given in ancient india.
I have read that the Khajuraho temple was built by rajas to teach the students who completed their studies and were going into grahasth ashram of their lives.

That pattern was undoubtedly the best for studies.

Par Saval ye hai ki kya aaj ke mahol mein ye sambhav hai. Balak 3ri class mein to girlfriend boyfriend khelan lag jyan hein. Ek be ki baat se ek ke ghar ja rahya tha ... chotte balak jama ... tv dekhein they ... nue kahe ek dekhiye eeb yo iski kiss karega. ha ha ... subah akhbar dekho ... tv mein chahe news dekh lyo ... school environment ..... kya ye sab vaisa hi hai jaisa uss kaal mein tha? Kya iss terah ke environment mein sanyam sikhsha ho sakti hai? Kya ye un bachon par tanav ka karan nahi hai ... ki ek taraf to unke arousal kee chejen aur doosri taraf hum uneh control sikha rahe hein?

If we want to have sanyam sikhsha dont we have to overhaul the complete system?

Bhai Rupi ... prevention is better than cure but for that we have to rectify the environment isnt it?... which we are not doing in India.

We as a nation doesnt know where we are going .... Prashant has rightly said that these nations are adopting our goods and we are running blindly after them. Whether it is Veds, life style, teaching practices, aurved etc etc.

to aise mein mujhey to sirf do hi raste najar aate hein ...
1) Either provide children good environment.
Or
2) Or provide them knowledge of safety measures.

Inn balkan ne ke kime kasoor kar rakhya se ek lalchae jao er chod dyo ineh apne andh prayogon par jaisa Shobhit ne kaha. Ya to vatavaran aisa ho ki inke dimag mein bhatkav ki sthiti itni aae ki shiksha se usse disha de ja sake ... anaytha ... ineh ye Shiksha bhi dein.

 

[anilsinghd]

Certainly, you have not read the above posts. For sure, you are swimming in an ocean of 'misinterpretation'. I am sorry to know that people don't really read.

Agreed whole heartedly and what is even more apalling is that people try to rage emotions and sentiments ( by hiding behind our ancient culture ) and substantiating their points by preaching : 1) For sex education guys want to teach kamasutra 2) For sex education guys want to get guys to play with the baloons !

Tell me where has this been mentioned and i will stop my arguments !

Come on guys this is not Obama v Mcain , where you got to prove the other wrong else you dont get the votes.

A well designed , properly thought , well instructed course on the subject can do a lot of good. And as you know , stage shyness does not go till u board the stage , so is the case with it , unless you clear the confusions , myths will prevail and the half knowledge , half dont know state is the most dangerous , because it is the curiosity that kills!

( Now shout on me for the analogy of the stage and jump to conclusions that i am advocating live practical sessions ( yes , those which your mind is cooking ) , You know what , that would be another live example of the term Sumit used " MISINTERPRETATION ").


PS: I do not understand why people take part in discussions without reading the thread with some concentration , is it just for the sake of arguing ?

 

[downtoearth]

Certainly, you have not read the above posts. For sure, you are swimming in an ocean of 'misinterpretation'. I am sorry to know that people don't really read.

certainly yes the ocean of `Misinterpretation`is made by the rivers of knowledge and different thoughts.where many rivers merge together is called ocean of misinterpretation.but the only best swimmer can dive and can bring a pearl from the bottom of this black ocean.......

 

[sumitsehrawat]

All the best, brother!

certainly yes the ocean of `Misinterpretation`is made by the rivers of knowledge and different thoughts.where many rivers merge together is called ocean of misinterpretation.but the only best swimmer can dive and can bring a pearl from the bottom of this black ocean.......

 

[sumitteotia]

Yes its really needed to those who is not going thru this educati in 9th n 10th class

Sex Education is really needed to the guys here...otherwise everything will be discussed out here itself in the thread regarding SEX ..even one can write a BOOK on SEX education after going thru this thread ....also now i came to know the importance of this Education..agar school mein hi pada di gayi hoti to aaj yeh dn na dekne padte (for those jinke schoolo mein nahi padai.. the so called "SEX EDUCATION")......

 

[devdahiya]

SEX EDUCATION DEFINED BY MEDICAL DICTIONARY:


"Education about human sexual anatomy, reproduction, and intercourse and other human sexual behavior."


This should clear lots of doubts of some members as to what this ghost is all about.

 

[brahmtewatia]

dear rupendera, under yr profile i see:
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: gurgaon haryana india
Posts: 1,779
however, i never saw you involve in any discussion during my previous 6 months of active stay at JL... i say so, cos i keep a close eye on those who have +500/+1000 posts to their credit, which in my opinion deserve a special recognition. (i will be raising this issue later in another thread) i m glad, that i made you jump in this never ending rhetoric, and hope that somewhere we'll converge on our thoughts, until you listen with open and adaptive mind as i try to make you prakashit and also help you in coming out of me... i mean bhram .

as pointed out by sumit and anil above, and wisely explained by jitender... it seems that you have already misinterpreted the whole concept of the discussion. i guess, i don't have to reply specifically and point-wise but would surely advise you to go through each and every post on the thread. you'll realize, of which i'm 100% confident that all your views/observations have already been answered. let me try to reason you out on issues that still remain unanswered in your previous post.

prevention is better than cure my bro.dont teach them how to cure,, teach them how to prevent.
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Some people here say that sex education will help in preventing the HIV…people who want to prevent the HIV should launch a campaign for truck drivers who are the main source of transmission of HIV in India

YES, sex-education will definitely help in preventing AIDS... are you aware that more then 50 per cent of AIDS victims all over the world, including india, belong to the age group of 15 to 24. in india there are no real statistics available, you are blaming these truck drivers, but why didn't you mentioned as to where they are going? obviously they are not forcibly sneaking into someone's house. pinpointing the reasons, will add another dimension to the thread, which obviously is not the subject we are talking off. my dear, in my previous post i'm only talking of prevention, not the cure. sex education does not represent a betrayal of cultural values, it does not encourage promiscuity and by no means it is obscene. but saying "no" on one pretext or other won’t help anyone. just have a look at this and tell me where are we heading ?
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A recent study in Mumbai revealed that 64 per cent of boys in the age group of 14 to 19 had one or more sexual encounters. Out of them, 43 per cent had visited homes of disrepute to fulfil their desires. In Chandigarh, too, a study came up with similarly alarming figures. A more authoritative Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) study recorded 36,700 teenage abortions in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata and Bangalore in one year. This is only a fraction of the actual teenage abortions carried out by quacks and in private clinics.

p.s. : on my earlier statement "i will be raising this issue later in another thread" i guess above post # 48 also needs to be addressed.

 

[brahmtewatia]

SEX EDUCATION DEFINED BY MEDICAL DICTIONARY:

"Education about human sexual anatomy, reproduction, and intercourse and other human sexual behavior."

This should clear lots of doubts of some members as to what this ghost is all about.

this also should be noted...
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"The national curriculum should focus on cultivating a proper understanding of and attitude towards healthy sex-related issues with special focus on teenage pregnancies, drug addiction and adolescence education."
—Recommendations of the National Curriculum Framework 2000, announced during M.M. Joshi's tenure as Union HRD minister

 

[nishantrathi82]

this also should be noted...
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Some more facts-

In India, about 86 percent of HIV infections occur through sexual intercourse, one key reason being that migrant workers in cities visit prostitutes and infect their wives when they return home.

An India Today poll revealed one in four Indian women between 18 and 30 in 11 cities had sex before marriage. One in three said she was open to having a sexual relationship even if she was not in love.

Last year, India became the country with the highest number of HIV-positive people, with an estimated 5.7 million cases.

And i beleive most of us has been visited to our old temples where explicit sex acts are celebrated in ancient temple architecture.
But at home, mothers hesitate to talk to daughters about something as simple as menstruation, and even the basics of the human reproductive system are taught with much embarrassment in schools. Isin't strange?

This kind of teaching was not necessary 10-15 years ago. But now India is merging more and more with Western cultures, there is easy access to Western culture through cable television. Teenagers see characters having extra-marital affairs and women in seduction roles, and they want to experiment, too. So we can also say that real problem is with the soaps - these are against Indian culture not the sex education, which really represents the solution.

 

[pnauhwar21]

Ok ..here are the ideal topics to be taught to school children from one of the 90% opposer of "Sex Education"

Subject - Moral Science / Social Studies

1) The ills of having sex at young age as well as without marriage
2) Both moral and physical implications of involving in such acts even if done 'safely'
3) Ways to avoid such advances from either gender
4) Guiding them to focus their energy on things in life which are more appropriate for their age
5) Don't tell them about ways to have safe Sex just because there are instances of teen pregnancies which as per some learned people could be avoided if this knowledge was given to children at younger age. Rather, tell them not to indulge in 'Sexual activities' at all at their age unless of course they are children of 'Broad-minded', 'practical', 'westernized', bearers of true indian culture of 'Kamasutra' and 'Khajuraho', as for those children, Safe sex is perfectly valid and practical in current society structure of India.

I am all ears for a comprehensive list of topics to be taught from the 10% evolved generation for their favorite subject 'Sex Education'. And please don't start with 'Understanding body parts' - its already taught as part of biology. Hope answers will be to-the-point instead of big paragraphs of repeated explanations.

 

[pdpbeniwal]

I guess guys vouching for Sex education are missing a point here even though it has been clearly said by the so-called 90% opposers in earlier posts..No body is denying the importance of Sex education..the point of disagreement is that at what stage the detailed education is needed. The level of education you guys are proposing viz. safe sex, ways to prevent aids, family planning techniques, etc. is needed for mature adults or people planning to marry. You can open education centers for such people wherever you want.

I still don't understand on what basis some of you are proposing the higher level of sex education at school level. Every education has its own time & stage. You don't teach nuclear physics to a 11th class student. He won't be ready for it however intelligent he may be. Similarly, for S..(tired of repeating this word!!!!) education, teach only what is relevant for school kids. Some of the members said that syllabus would cover details about physiological and biological difference of both genders - isn't that already there in our science books of 9th & 10th? What more detailed knowledge do you want to give to school children? In US and other so-called developed countries, this education has become a necessity where every 2nd teenager loses his/her virginity before high school..pls don't let our children and country reach that stage. Its strange, that western countries are trying to learn our good things while we are inculcating their bad things in our society. Be broad-minded and not gross-minded!! Believe me there are much better things in world to teach at schools. Let schools be schools not centers for condom vending and illustrated books of S**.

I'm going to read your views from end to start and throw some arguments....Who is asking to install vending machines at schools??...Only advice to visit these machines is supposed to given ....Who is asking to do research on SEX so that illustrated books will be required ???....Okay I do agree there could be better things in world to teach at schools but what is so wrong with sex education that it is losing its stand in your list of better things......Broad-mindedness only says that don't take word SEX as a taboo......We are not very far from the statistic of a teenager losing his/her virginity of that Western countries.....Do you want to the situation to first reach its peak and then as it would become necessity(as it has become for western countries going by your words) to provide sex education then only we will wake up....I have also gone through the science books of 9-10th depicting physiological and biological differences of both genders but that is not sufficient...There are others things also which need to be taught...Before getting a fact one has to listen to a lots of myths....Students in 9-10 class can indulge in sexual activities but it's not a right time to teach them about it...it's very funny!!!.....Mr. don't compare nuclear physics with sex education anyway....Sex education can be given to a illiterate person also and he will get all out of it...But you can't think of teaching nuclear physics to the same...
.....Do you think keeping broad-mindedness of your degree it is feasible to open education center everywhere for adults???...and again if opened would people visit them freely???.....Even if we assume education centers have been opened where is an answer to the question 'teenage corruption' ?? ....Sex education is not only to be meant for the adults but teenagers must also be incorporated into its domain.....I don't want to again jot down the teenage issues which are a prime concern today......

 

[downtoearth]

dear rupendera, under yr profile i see:

however, i never saw you i) i m glad, that i made you jump in this never ending rhetoric, and hope that somewhere we'll converge on our thoughts, until you listen with open and adaptive mind as i try to make you prakashit and also help you in coming out of me... i mean bhram .


ming these truck drivers, but why didn't you mentioned as to where they are going? obviously they are not forcibly sneaking into someone's house. pin.

Bharam saab thanx for visiting my profile and I really appreciate that u really want to throw prakash on me with your never fusing torch (thoughts).u seem to be a pole star for a sailor in the storm..

If there are rats in the house then getting a Cat isn’t the only and right option, there are many other options…one thing is very much crystal clear that people here who support the sex education are also doubtful. if its not like that then a thread wouldn’t have been started over such an issue..

If there is any misinterpretation in the thread then the rope of misinterpretation is between the two hands….
Bhai saab, any concept depends on the mindset of the people. Do you think that the mindset here can adopt or can digest the concept of sex education? The problem lies in us only, in every case we compare our selves with westerns yo yo man…I still remember some lines of sumit dahiya (one old member of jl ) that Indians`ll always have a craze for 8 lane highways and blondes..

I really don’t understand for which schools this sex education is made? Sex education should b applied in govt schools, where there is no drinking water, no electricity, no sitting shelter, no books no teachers??? If this education is made for public schools then many MMS are already there…
[FONT=&quot] Where a simple education is dying, how this S** education can survive?[/FONT]

 

[shivamchaudhary]

Are we talking on the same topic, the thread is started. By the way there is a new Teacher in the Town who can teach anything.. I mean anything.. You can say it is some kind of "devta of knowledge"

---The Google Search---

if someone wants to learn, really, there will be no hurdle.

But this is social responsibility that our new generation should not be confused with anything.
There are so many best ways, It your wish, which way you choose for yours pupils..

 

[samarkadian]

Guys,


Why there is sex? rather Sexes?


In a few Dominican villages, some families carry a gene that leaves newborn boys with undescended testicles and a stunted penis resembling a clitoris. They are raised as girls until puberty, when the new rush of androgens gives them normal male genitals and a masculine body, complete with facial hair. The villagers call them guevedoces: "eggs [or balls]-at-12." The child switches genders, wears male clothing, begins to date, and turns into a normal man; all ready to take his natural role due to panick attacks in testicles and with a teaspoon of semen this child becomes intensely sexual jealous creature of entire animal kingdom[:boxing] ; without any sort of fuss or trauma. Gender identity comes either from the effects of hormones on the brain or from the way people are treated as adults, or both.

Balls-at-12 is just one of the fascinating discoveries brought in to to light by Deborah Blum's excellent book ''Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men and Women''. This is the reale everything you always wanted to know about Sex (or The Sexes). So when you guys send your recommendations about Sex Education in India to our Honourable Minister of Human Resources Mr Arjun Singh[], please do not forget to mention this basic book.I hope author who has spent so many years on this subject would owe rest of his life to the courage put forwarded by the cream of intellectuals from JL who are sexier than sex[or sexes] in their existence and creative thinking.

Good luck for more and more 'manthan/chintan' on this subject.

 

[pnauhwar21]

Ie to teach them about it...it's very funny!!!.....Mr. don't compare nuclear physics with sex education anyway....Sex education can be given to a illiterate person also and he will get all out of it...But you can't think of teaching nuclear physics to the same...
.....Do you think keeping broad-mindedness of your degree it is feasible to open education center everywhere for adults???...and again if opened would people visit them freely???.....Even if we assume education centers have been opened where is an answer to the question 'teenage corruption' ?? ....Sex education is not only to be meant for the adults but teenagers must also be incorporated into its domain.....I don't want to again jot down the teenage issues which are a prime concern today......

Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.

For those in India, watch Maury show, Jerry Springer show(pretty famous in US) - you may find them in youtube..when you are a third party, they are fun to watch but consider seeing same culture and problems in our kids 10-15 years from now and you will feel the pain (hopefully!!!).

 

[sidchhikara]

all ready to take his natural role due to panick attacks in testicles and with a teaspoon of semen this child becomes intensely sexual jealous creature of entire animal kingdom[:boxing] ;

I have never heard or read those words in that sequence in a sentence.
That is hilarious !!
Panic attack in the testicles........ hahahahahahahaha !!

 

[sachinb]

yahaan par the maamla kuchh jyaada hi details ki taraf badh raha hai:rock

dat jaao bhaiyio dat jao:tamatar

 

[pdpbeniwal]

Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.

For those in India, watch Maury show, Jerry Springer show(pretty famous in US) - you may find them in youtube..when you are a third party, they are fun to watch but consider seeing same culture and problems in our kids 10-15 years from now and you will feel the pain (hopefully!!!).

Dear nauhwar saab,
Very obviously, a father wouldn't be able to discuss these issues with his teenage children.... This even does not happen in Western culture...They do also pay respect to blood-relations.... These all yours concerns arise when sanctity of blood-relations comes into picture.

But a teacher in school stays far away from all these concerns......A teacher takes whole class as single entity as his/her profession calls....And there is nothing morally wrong with having sex.....All that makes discuss sex
so disgusting is only vulgar way of depicting it.....If things are put in scientific language then there would be no problem for a teacher interacting the class....

I do still remember when I was in 9th class in a co-education school how decently our Science Sir covered the whole chapter of reproduction...There was not any sort of chaos at all....Even if you go beyond that chapter....Things will be manageable....

Keeping the conservative nature of parents into consideration, separate programs can be held for both boys and girls....Same sex,as of each group, teacher may be deputized....

Leaving teenagers without sex education is not a prudent solution just to reinforce ourselves conservative nature....Take whatever measures necessary to maintain sanctity of relationships....Don't raise doubts over importance of sex-education.....Only the ways to dispense it need to be figured out...

 

[nishantrathi82]

Pradeep bhai..bas ek baat ka jawab de do..Hypothetical question hai and don't take it as a personal question..couldn't find any other way to put it :

Suppose you have a daughter..paal pos ke badi hui..9th class mein pahunchi..now would you teach her 'How to have safe sex', 'What are the reproductive functions of male/female organs in detail' and what kind of sexual diseases can happen if she indulges in unsafe sex' or would you rather teach her about moral values by not indulging in these activities, not loosing her virginity before marriage, not aping wild west blindly.

Please don't answer just to win an argument. If you (and those 10% evolved fellow members) still believe the answer is the ones highlighted in bold, then no further discussion from my side. I guess we will just have to accept, everyone has their own way of thinking and ways to raise their children. I for one, am still conservative in my thinking on this topic if you want to label it as that.

For those in India, watch Maury show, Jerry Springer show(pretty famous in US) - you may find them in youtube..when you are a third party, they are fun to watch but consider seeing same culture and problems in our kids 10-15 years from now and you will feel the pain (hopefully!!!).

Prashant bhai if this is case then one should not send his child to school also. Bhai there r certain things which has to be tought by a teacher and some must be by parents.