Slums and Dogs

[navingulia]

Slums and Dogs

1. The movie projects that India is all about slums and dogs, something the western world loves to see and feel.
2. The quality of direction and movie making is poor.
3. In the show anil kapoor and his audience mocks and laughs at the participant when they come to know he is a poor chaaiwaala. In Indian society, I have never seen any one making fun of a poor person for his poverty in public. But the movie tells the world that Indian society is like this.
4. There isnt and there never was any ngo in mumbai that kidnaps street children and makes them beg after maiming them, cutting arms and legs or binding them.
5. AR Rahman deserves oscar but for his other music given earlier, music in earlier films has been far better but still, he is probably the only deserving nomination.
6. Police in mumbai doesnot hang boys in their police station and give them electric shocks to find out if he has cheated in a reality show.
7. I have till date never come across a beggar child whose eyes had been burnt by pouring hot oil into them. If it doesn’t happen, why do they show that.
8. when in one scene the boy tells the white american lady, see, this is real india, she takes out money and gives him saying and this is real america. Meaning india is bad and they are good.
9. What surprises me is that much better movies which projected indian society and its values as good and strong (mother india, lagaan) did not succeed at oscar and when you show india as poor and pathetic, you make it.
Can the possibility of getting ‘Oscar’ buy us into accepting this movie as great??
Amitabh Bachan rightly said “I did not want to be part of this film in any way” and he was very right when he said “the world should realise india is not all about slums and dogs”
Anil Kapoor said at a conference after golden globe “I feel like a slumdog myself having made it here” (how willingly he is looking down on himself)
Am I wrong in my observation?
Navin Gulia

Btw – slumdog is not an indian film, it is made by Warner bros.

 

[sunitahooda]

I havn't watched it yet to take the DVD from youbut the description you have given here about the movie has really put me offWhy do they project India being poor and still they live here months n months

Slums and Dogs

1. The movie projects that India is all about slums and dogs, something the western world loves to see and feel.
2. The quality of direction and movie making is poor.
3. In the show anil kapoor and his audience mocks and laughs at the participant when they come to know he is a poor chaaiwaala. In Indian society, I have never seen any one making fun of a poor person for his poverty in public. But the movie tells the world that Indian society is like this.
4. There isnt and there never was any ngo in mumbai that kidnaps street children and makes them beg after maiming them, cutting arms and legs or binding them.
5. AR Rahman deserves oscar but for his other music given earlier, music in earlier films has been far better but still, he is probably the only deserving nomination.
6. Police in mumbai doesnot hang boys in their police station and give them electric shocks to find out if he has cheated in a reality show.
7. I have till date never come across a beggar child whose eyes had been burnt by pouring hot oil into them. If it doesn’t happen, why do they show that.
8. when in one scene the boy tells the white american lady, see, this is real india, she takes out money and gives him saying and this is real america. Meaning india is bad and they are good.
9. What surprises me is that much better movies which projected indian society and its values as good and strong (mother india, lagaan) did not succeed at oscar and when you show india as poor and pathetic, you make it.
Can the possibility of getting ‘Oscar’ buy us into accepting this movie as great??
Amitabh Bachan rightly said “I did not want to be part of this film in any way” and he was very right when he said “the world should realise india is not all about slums and dogs”
Anil Kapoor said at a conference after golden globe “I feel like a slumdog myself having made it here” (how willingly he is looking down on himself)
Am I wrong in my observation?
Navin Gulia

Btw – slumdog is not an indian film, it is made by Warner bros.

 

[sumitsehrawat]

Hello Navin bhaisahab,

I am so sorry to say that I dont agree with your views about 'Sumdog Millionaire' movie.

*** I am not sure what the western world wants to see but the quality of direction and movie is certainly not poor.

*** About the fun of Chaiwala, let's look at the plot in its entirety. The same person is shown as an inspiration to many later on in the movie. It's a story of rags to riches and very well described.

*** In the movie, I did not see anywhere a mention of an NGO using children as baits to make money. But yes there do exist such group of people who work independently as small groups.

*** About electric shocks and pouring burning oil in eyes... I am not so sure but I would believe such things do happen... children are even amputated! I do not have proofs to support but I believe so.

*** Now let me put my views on why Amitabh Bachchan said all that non-sense. Amitabh Bachchan is under tremendous pressure from the real 'slumdog'... Raj Thackeray. Amit Uncle used this as an opportunity to showcase his love for Mumbai. If any of his movies are criticised then very often Amit Uncle has given statements like... "its art and at the end of the day its entertainment". Amit uncle is fed up his masterpiece 'Black' could not be nominated for Oscars and stars like Anil Kapoor (who probably he thinks is way below him) and a few new comers are not worth it but still have claimed an international acclaim. Maybe the "Baadshah" wanted himself to be the first one lifting the Oscar award which probably he's sure of being lifted by AR Rahman. However, Amit Uncle has publicly apologised later on about his statements on his official blog. He, at first place, should have realized that his statements would make the Indian cast feel like fools. Anil Kapoor is no newcomer to movies and he is one of those who has worked hard to be where he is today.

*** What Anil Kapoor has to say about him feeling a 'slumdog'... I think he feels more like an 'underdog' and just put it in accordance to the story presented in the movie.

I am an Indian and my ancestors have sacrificed their lives for the nation. I have equal respect and love for my country like any other countrymen. And, I am afraid could not see the movie had anything in bad light.

As for the movie.. I would give it 3.5 on the scale of 5.

Thanks!
P.S.: My views!

 

[navingulia]

sumit mere bhai, you have a right to have your opinion
1. i have seen thousands of movies, i would at best rate this movie as 'little below a verage' on direction. nowhere close to any award
2. i dont know what kind of an inspiration a story in which a chaiwala boy lands up by fluke on a reaslity show and an unimaginable fluke of getting 20 questions he knew answers to by bizzare chance. what motivation can a poor man get except spending lot of hard earned money on calling up reality shows.
3. bhai sumit, you said "i dont know but i would believe it happens" that answers it. thats what everyone and the west wants to believe.
4. A hollywood production house makes a movie, makes us call ourselves slumdogs and takes an oscar for successfully doing it.

I, personally, would save my happiness for the day when some movie made on the positive aspect of indias culture, social values, family values, heritage, history, gets an oscar.

Hello Navin bhaisahab,

I am so sorry to say that I dont agree with your views about 'Sumdog Millionaire' movie.

*** I am not sure what the western world wants to see but the quality of direction and movie is certainly not poor.

*** About the fun of Chaiwala, let's look at the plot in its entirety. The same person is shown as an inspiration to many later on in the movie. It's a story of rags to riches and very well described.

*** In the movie, I did not see anywhere a mention of an NGO using children as baits to make money. But yes there do exist such group of people who work independently as small groups.

*** About electric shocks and pouring burning oil in eyes... I am not so sure but I would believe such things do happen... children are even amputated! I do not have proofs to support but I believe so.

*** Now let me put my views on why Amitabh Bachchan said all that non-sense. Amitabh Bachchan is under tremendous pressure from the real 'slumdog'... Raj Thackeray. Amit Uncle used this as an opportunity to showcase his love for Mumbai. If any of his movies are criticised then very often Amit Uncle has given statements like... "its art and at the end of the day its entertainment". Amit uncle is fed up his masterpiece 'Black' could not be nominated for Oscars and stars like Anil Kapoor (who probably he thinks is way below him) and a few new comers are not worth it but still have claimed an international acclaim. Maybe the "Baadshah" wanted himself to be the first one lifting the Oscar award which probably he's sure of being lifted by AR Rahman. However, Amit Uncle has publicly apologised later on about his statements on his official blog. He, at first place, should have realized that his statements would make the Indian cast feel like fools. Anil Kapoor is no newcomer to movies and he is one of those who has worked hard to be where he is today.

*** What Anil Kapoor has to say about him feeling a 'slumdog'... I think he feels more like an 'underdog' and just put it in accordance to the story presented in the movie.

I am an Indian and my ancestors have sacrificed their lives for the nation. I have equal respect and love for my country like any other countrymen. And, I am afraid could not see the movie had anything in bad light.

As for the movie.. I would give it 3.5 on the scale of 5.

Thanks!
P.S.: My views!

 

[vivekdh]

i liked that movie very much.khabi socha nahi ki isme india ko kaisa dikhaya gaya hai.cinema ko cinema ki terha dekho or enjoy karro.aaj tak apni hindi movies me veer zaara, gadar jaisi movies banni hain jinme pata nahi kya bevkoofi bhari baate dikhate hain per wo bhi HIT ho jaati hain log pasand kerte hain.aamir me bhi aisi hi mumbai dikhayi gayi hai wo bhi sabhi ko acchi laggi thi lagbhag.

Don't know as a movie SUMIT bhai ki baat bilkul sahi hain

 

[crsnadar]

Slums and Dogs

1. The movie projects that India is all about slums and dogs, something the western world loves to see and feel.
2. The quality of direction and movie making is poor.
3. In the show anil kapoor and his audience mocks and laughs at the participant when they come to know he is a poor chaaiwaala. In Indian society, I have never seen any one making fun of a poor person for his poverty in public. But the movie tells the world that Indian society is like this.
4. There isnt and there never was any ngo in mumbai that kidnaps street children and makes them beg after maiming them, cutting arms and legs or binding them...............

All the points raised here are VERY MUCH CORRECT & EYE OPENER for all who praise OSCARS etc etc

Very nice description by Naveen Ji
Hats off to you bro

 

[sunitahooda]

Vivek we have a tendency to co-relate ourselves to all possible aspects n things be it a cinema. While watching a movie i'm more concerned if my money was used or got wasted ab galti se iss movie ko agar awards mill hi gaye hian to acha lagna chahiyebut then we wont be JATS if we don't criticize and see other possible negativity

 

[crsnadar]

I don't know why.... REALITY dikhane ka bhoot logo ko INDIA me aake kyo chadhta hai.
Danny Boyle ne aur bhi movies banayi hain...tab to uske koi junoon sawaar nahi hua REALITY dikhane ka..


Aur hum INDIAN logo ko pata nahi kya ho gaya hai ki...
..OSCAR me nominate ho gayi to movie Badhiya hai..nahi to nahi..bluddy hell oscar
..Film me music ka importance kitna hai ye movie dekhne ke baad hi maalum chalega aapko..

Be true to yourself...& write your words...
Oscar is not the prime Judge of the MovieWorld..

 

[sunitahooda]

So true Rahul....but don't know why people keep rushing for these awards n oscar, when they know the soul staisfaction is the ultimate award people can give to themselves.

I don't know why.... REALITY dikhane ka bhoot logo ko INDIA me aake kyo chadhta hai.
Danny Boyle ne aur bhi movies banayi hain...tab to uske koi junoon sawaar nahi hua REALITY dikhane ka..


Aur hum INDIAN logo ko pata nahi kya ho gaya hai ki...
..OSCAR me nominate ho gayi to movie Badhiya hai..nahi to nahi..bluddy hell oscar
..Film me music ka importance kitna hai ye movie dekhne ke baad hi maalum chalega aapko..

Be true to yourself...& write your words...
Oscar is not the prime Judge of the MovieWorld..

 

[navingulia]

see, again i would say, every one has equal right to an opinion. my own opinion shouldnt carry greater weightage.

but going through history and even present day, i see strong propaganda by west to make every other society feel backward and inferior. and trust me they are good at it.

 

[crsnadar]

Slums and Dogs

1. The movie projects that India is all about slums and dogs, something the western world loves to see and feel.
2. The quality of direction and movie making is poor.
3. In the show anil kapoor and his audience mocks and laughs at the participant when they come to know he is a poor chaaiwaala. In Indian society, I have never seen any one making fun of a poor person for his poverty in public. But the movie tells the world that Indian society is like this.
4. There isnt and there never was any ngo in mumbai that kidnaps street children and makes them beg after maiming them, cutting arms and legs or binding them.
5. AR Rahman deserves oscar but for his other music given earlier, music in earlier films has been far better but still, he is probably the only deserving nomination.
6. Police in mumbai doesnot hang boys in their police station and give them electric shocks to find out if he has cheated in a reality show.
7. I have till date never come across a beggar child whose eyes had been burnt by pouring hot oil into them. If it doesn’t happen, why do they show that.
8. when in one scene the boy tells the white american lady, see, this is real india, she takes out money and gives him saying and this is real america. Meaning india is bad and they are good.
9. What surprises me is that much better movies which projected indian society and its values as good and strong (mother india, lagaan) did not succeed at oscar and when you show india as poor and pathetic, you make it.
Can the possibility of getting ‘Oscar’ buy us into accepting this movie as great??
Amitabh Bachan rightly said “I did not want to be part of this film in any way” and he was very right when he said “the world should realise india is not all about slums and dogs”
Anil Kapoor said at a conference after golden globe “I feel like a slumdog myself having made it here” (how willingly he is looking down on himself)
Am I wrong in my observation?
Navin Gulia

Btw – slumdog is not an indian film, it is made by Warner bros.

I am very much impressed by justified points raised by Naveen Bhai & I have already put these point on my orkut profile also...

Arre theek hai yaar.....chalta hai....oscar hai yaar...foreigner director hai...AR rehman ka music hai yaar...humko kya...movie to movie hai...entertainment ke liye theek hai...abe deep me kya jaane ka yaar...etc etc etc
Ye sab kya hai..?

Ek aadmi Tumhaare Desh ke muh pe tamacha maar kar chala jaata hai aur usme agar tumko ENTERTAINMENT aa raha hai to please.......stop this..
I know we are not such type of creature...but if you feel BAD say it..wheather the people involved are Danny Boyle, AR Rehmaan & Anil Kapoor etc etc etc whatever

 

[vpannu]

Ek aadmi Tumhaare Desh ke muh pe tamacha maar kar chala jaata hai aur usme agar tumko ENTERTAINMENT aa raha hai to please.......stop this..

Man what are you talking about????? Get over it. There wasn't a tamacha or anything in the movie. The only thing in the movie which offended me a little bit was Anil Kapoor making a mockery of the 'millionaire' right in front of so many people in the show. Whatever was depicted in the movie doesn't that happen in our country? Tell me a few things, just 1 or 2, which you think weren't true?Moreover, that's an OSCAR i.e. Academy Awards , just like Noble Prize. No one cares about bloody Zee cine awards or Pan Paraag Awards. Had Amitabh known of this movie's success he would have been wagging his tail to get a role. Sab ek jisse hain bhai , pisse ke yaar

 

[htomar]

bhai is mieve mai kuchh bhi galat nahi hai....director indian nahi hai isiliye itna ho halla ho raha hai... Salam Bombay moive ke liye kisi ne kuchh nahi kaha tha..balki usko Oskar ke liye bheja gya tha.....thode din pahle hi Arvind Adiga ko Bukar award mila tab to sab bahut khush the kyonki wo indian hai...kisi ne ye bhi dekha ki jis book ke liye usko award mila usme kya likha hai usne...
Slumdog is a fantastic moive...based on a book(Q&A) written by Vikas Swaroop(an IFS)..

 

[sunitahooda]

When nothing can be changed....the story/direction/cast and AWARD cant be reversed then what are we craving for? why cant we simply feel good? There has been hundreds and thousands of movies made on history and heritage but should we cry out loud if they failed to fetch and award

 

[samarkadian]

Its quite ironical to see that foreigners made much better attempt to show some truth than domestic cinema makers. Be it Richard Etenbaro on Ghandhi or Recent Slumdog..I gues we still validate West's representation of Indian lives..Another aspect may be that its true as in reference to poverty/life standards and many of us might have not seen or been in that situation , so we are relating that thing to our primate ego of patriotism/territory.May Be.

Better title would have been Slave-Slum-Dogs.

In the end its still the movie chalchitar , all on screen, if it can disturb the public and this disturbance is good in few realisations.

Though you always have time to change [criticise as well] or improve on few things first in mind and then accordingly. A movie can't or someone's view from foreign land make any country look down.But surely this exposure enabled them to make good bucks, I wish I wud have written this book.

 

[crsnadar]

Direction was not good at all for which Danny being nominated.

Only good thing about the movie is

It has revoked INDIA about probable Slum situations in INDIA.
At least we are discussing about poverty now.

....rest all in movie is bluddy hell

Few more good things if you wanna know
Only Child artists were TALENTED. They showed their acting skills
GulzaarJi ke lyrics was really appreciable

 

[sumitsehrawat]

Slumdog = Slum + underdog

Haanji bhai! Different people have different perception towards same as well as different things.

And bhai, I believed about 'it' even when the movie was not made. What about the Indian cast in the movie? Why are you not talking against them? Why only the production house? Why are we all so shallow in our own opinions so as to compare everything and everyone as Indian and non-Indian? What about the author of the book? I suppose he's an Indian too. Why don't you challenge his patriotism... his intentions?

To clear it all...

Slumdog is NOT Slum + dog

Slumdog = Slum + underdog!!

Please keep the right attitude and be positive about the movie... it ain't great but its nice and worth watching. And please dont miss this song 'Paper Planes by MIA' ... its a perfect fit in the movie.

haanji bhai, I agree with you on an a movie (irrespective of its cast and crew) winning an Oscar for showing Indian family values... at its time 'Bagbaan' could have been nominated.

A hollywood production house makes a movie, makes us call ourselves slumdogs and takes an oscar for successfully doing it.

I, personally, would save my happiness for the day when some movie made on the positive aspect of indias culture, social values, family values, heritage, history, gets an oscar.

 

[shweta123]

I am very much impressed by justified points raised by Naveen Bhai & I have already put these point on my orkut profile also...

Arre theek hai yaar.....chalta hai....oscar hai yaar...foreigner director hai...AR rehman ka music hai yaar...humko kya...movie to movie hai...entertainment ke liye theek hai...abe deep me kya jaane ka yaar...etc etc etc
Ye sab kya hai..?

Ek aadmi Tumhaare Desh ke muh pe tamacha maar kar chala jaata hai aur usme agar tumko ENTERTAINMENT aa raha hai to please.......stop this..
I know we are not such type of creature...but if you feel BAD say it..wheather the people involved are Danny Boyle, AR Rehmaan & Anil Kapoor etc etc etc whatever

Orkut profile pe bhi ye points daal diye - ye nahi socha ye bhi ek aisi videshi jagah hai jaha pe hamaare desh ke muh pe ye so called tamaache maarne waale kitne incidents aur log mil jaayenge

Grow up !

And how many people use this cheap language 'abe deep me kya jaane ka yaar ....' - tumse kaha kisi ne aisa kuch yahan ?? Aur jo kehte hain wo tumhaara 'Ye sab kya hai..?' sun ke sudhar jaayenge kya?

Tumhaare desh ke upar to roz ke darjan tamaache padte hain, ye to bina baat ka ho halla hai fir bhi itna dukh !!

Mumbai Attack pe nahi pade the tamaache? Jab gareeb aadmi aatmahatya karte hain tab nahi padte tamaache? kisi ladki ko utha ke le jaate hai kuch log sabke saamne tab?

Yaha desh ki sachaayi hi yehi hai ki har ek kadam baat kuch galat ho raha hai to kis kis ko rokoge sach dekhne aur sunne se? Aankhe fod dena bhikaari bana dene ke liye koi nayi ya 'unproven' baat nahi hai, isse to kahi jyada jaghanya kaam hua karte hain yaha har roz. Insaano ke body parts nikaal diye jaate hain, aur Noida me shayad suna ho ki kitne nar kankaal paaye gaye the aur kya kiya gaya tha unke saath ye bhi shayad suna ho aapne - aankhe fodne se bada ya chota tha wo kaam?

'Poverty' dekhi kitni hai aur kya jaante ho aap uske baare me, shayad ye koi jab tak nahi jaan sakta jab tak wo bhukhe pet, bimaar shareer, fate kapde aur bina sirr pe dhang ki chat ke apni zindagi guzaar ke dekhe.

Poverty dhundhli pad jaati hai aksar jab hamari aankho pe sukh saadhano ka parda pad jaata hai - Kaha kaha reh chuke hoge aap, kitni states me? 3 ya 4 shayad - baaki ki kayi pichdi aur gareeb states ki haalat ka kaise andaaza ho sakta hai aapko ?

Ho sakta hai movie me kuch exaggeration ho ya fir uski prashtbhoomi me kuch her fer ho par India ke slums ke log dog se batdar zindagi guzaar rahe hain (aur kayi jagah to aisi hoti hain jinko slums bhi nahi kaha ja sakta)

 

[sumitsehrawat]

Grow up friend!

Ek aadmi Tumhaare Desh ke muh pe tamacha maar kar chala jaata hai aur usme agar tumko ENTERTAINMENT aa raha hai to please.......stop this..

 

[crsnadar]

Orkut profile pe bhi ye points daal diye - ye nahi socha ye bhi ek aisi videshi jagah hai jaha pe hamaare desh ke muh pe ye so called tamaache maarne waale kitne incidents aur log mil jaayenge

Grow up !

And how many people use this cheap language 'abe deep me kya jaane ka yaar ....' - tumse kaha kisi ne aisa kuch yahan ?? Aur jo kehte hain wo tumhaara 'Ye sab kya hai..?' sun ke sudhar jaayenge kya?

Tumhaare desh ke upar to roz ke darjan tamaache padte hain, ye to bina baat ka ho halla hai fir bhi itna dukh !!

Mumbai Attack pe nahi pade the tamaache? Jab gareeb aadmi aatmahatya karte hain tab nahi padte tamaache? kisi ladki ko utha ke le jaate hai kuch log sabke saamne tab?

Yaha desh ki sachaayi hi yehi hai ki har ek kadam baat kuch galat ho raha hai to kis kis ko rokoge sach dekhne aur sunne se? Aankhe fod dena bhikaari bana dene ke liye koi nayi ya 'unproven' baat nahi hai, isse to kahi jyada jaghanya kaam hua karte hain yaha har roz. Insaano ke body parts nikaal diye jaate hain, aur Noida me shayad suna ho ki kitne nar kankaal paaye gaye the aur kya kiya gaya tha unke saath ye bhi shayad suna ho aapne - aankhe fodne se bada ya chota tha wo kaam?

'Poverty' dekhi kitni hai aur kya jaante ho aap uske baare me, shayad ye koi jab tak nahi jaan sakta jab tak wo bhukhe pet, bimaar shareer, fate kapde aur bina sirr pe dhang ki chat ke apni zindagi guzaar ke dekhe.

Poverty dhundhli pad jaati hai aksar jab hamari aankho pe sukh saadhano ka parda pad jaata hai - Kaha kaha reh chuke hoge aap, kitni states me? 3 ya 4 shayad - baaki ki kayi pichdi aur gareeb states ki haalat ka kaise andaaza ho sakta hai aapko ?

Ho sakta hai movie me kuch exaggeration ho ya fir uski prashtbhoomi me kuch her fer ho par India ke slums ke log dog se batdar zindagi guzaar rahe hain (aur kayi jagah to aisi hoti hain jinko slums bhi nahi kaha ja sakta)

Most of my friends are on orkut. I have to use that CNS which is a powerful communication tool worldwide for having a contact with my friends. Otherwise orkut is nothing more than a CNS.
I am not against using foreign made itmes as we also export software round the globe.
Orkut is not a tamachaa ofcourse.
It's you who need to grow a lot to understand what I wanna say.
Orkut never did something to defame INDIA. On special occasions it use to change it's frontpage appearence even likewise proINDIA.

INDIA is having lots of lots of other issues which you have mentioned.
Every another day we come to hear horrible incidents.
NOIDA has become a HELL like location ..u r right..very much right..
But movie didn't have shown those issues.



I am just talking about the direction & ill depiction of INDIA beyond reality.....
It was the WORST part of the movie
I can even say Danny Boyle a "DHAKKAN"

-In KBC it never happened that people made fun of participant
-A boy covered in **** never went to airport/airstrip
-I live very near to JUHU very near just 10 mins away but never seen such condition. I have seen slums there where the shooting has been done but the condition is not as bad as been shown.
-I had lived in Agra also but never seen such cases as they been shown.

It could have been much better than that if he would have tried.
There are so many scene/parts in the movie which are far beyond the reality on a negative side which made it point of debate.

May be you are very intelligant but ALL OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT FOOL who felt bad to see such.


A person comes to India & Enrole Indian artists to prove that we are bad & they are good..
..& if you feel entertainment in this then very sorry to say
..I never want to GROWUP like you..I am happy as I m