Do we Jat really need Reservation ?

[snandal1]

isme k buraai s mehnat ka kaam s , eb haam mehant ki khaan lage ....
kai khakhi to pure nehru pak re s mehant ki baat kare s , janu to unn to sare jat daakka maar ke khaa s . khet me bina a mehnat k kaam ho s k .....kisi rajneta ke aage haath jod lyo naukri khatir koi aant na s par aakrakshan nahi lenge , isme sharm aawe s ....
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n e way raviji will give u, gurnaam singh report tomorrow. he is too knowledeable person in jat history...such a great historian i've never come across who does not know gurnaam singh aayog repot till today...so that jats can at least discuss instead of firing here n there...

 

[snandal1]

as soon as this report is flashed on internet jats will be in a better position to discuss. how many u jats agree with me? plz send ur messeges?...if yes or no.. whether to fire in the air or to know the reality? plz raise ur hands.... kya shakuni ki tarah se jua khel rahe ho? ya phir apni mehnat ka daanv laga rahe ho...yahan ke saare jat mahatma mere se jyada jat moorkh ka itihas nahin jante hain...lekin jo jat chahe kisi bhi form me aata ho vo is report ko haasil kar sakta hai...phir kya der hai jatland par...? gurnaam singh aayog ki report pesh ki jaaye, mandal ki report pesh ki jaaye, i hope many educated people on jatland know it....particularly the ones who are directing the jats to fight in india for jobs n they are sitting in foreign land for better jobs only...n ...there in foreighn lands they keep quite...to ...advice indians to fight back...but in ...india ...they are doing it...for their blood brother jats...h

 

[snandal1]

a new jat maha makkar is developing out of those brahmins of sindh, those rajputs of rajasthan, those banias of undivided punjab...where the new advisors of jat land against reservation exceed tilak, talwar and taraju....a new mahamakkar jat is developing that wd keep quite or will be negative on the name of rozi roti for their own blood brothers...even if they are sitting for rozi roti...for thousand of miles away...n certainly such jats did not fall from heaven...but just the ordinary one....otherwise why should they have left their motherland for rozi roti?.....

 

[snandal1]

इसलिए आज यह अधिकार का मांग पत्र जाट समाज की तरफ से ( आज़ादी मिलने के बाद जाटों की यह पहली मांग हैं ) प्रार्थना स्वरुप आपको भेज रहें हैं की आप बगैर किसी हिचक , लाग लपेट व बिना देरी के गुरनाम सिंह आयोग की रिपोर्ट लागू करने का अध्यादेश जारी करवाए तथा केंद्र सरकार को सिफारिस करे की मंडल कमीशन की रिपोर्ट में हरियाणा की पिछड़ी जाति सूचि में गुटका व चिल्लन जाट की जगह केवल जाट कर दिया जाये , क्योंकि इस प्रकार की हरियाणा में कोई जातियां नहीं हैं | इस शुभ कार्य को करने के लिए यही शुभ समय हैं | हमे पूर्ण आशा हैं की कांग्रेस गांधीगिरी में विश्वास रखती हैं तो क्या जरुरी हैं की हरियाणा का ग्रामीण जाट सड़क पर उतर कर तोड़ - फोड़ करे और खून खराबा हो | जाट जाति स्वभाव से शंतिप्रिये हैं , जब तक उसे कोई हिंसक बनने के लिए मजबूर न करे | अभी गेंद हरियाणा सरकार तथा केंद्र की सरकार के पाले में हैं |
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ye kaun sangwan hai bahut pyari si baat likh raha hai? but sangwanji, we dnt have to be hinsak in haryana, punjab at least...arre in logon ko jo reservation laagu nahin karte hain vote hi mat do, ye apne aap hi mar jayenge....plz maintain...ur cool plz...jat has always maintained his cool against all odds for hundreds of years...

 

[snandal1]

jaton ne dekho sangwanji, aaj tak kya maanga hai...? khali diya hai...the greatest wheat land....of haryana punjab...the greatest sugar bowl...of world, the up....the delhi bhi jat ne dekho ek outsider ko saunp di hai...aur yahan is jatland pe nakli jat to dikhayi nahin dete logon ko....jo phaltu ka time pass karte hain....knowingly....lekin usli to jat hi gaddar hai yahan jo un ko maze dilata hai.....

 

[vgahlout]

ye kaun sangwan hai bahut pyari si baat likh raha hai? but sangwanji, we dnt have to be hinsak in haryana, punjab at least...arre in logon ko jo reservation laagu nahin karte hain vote hi mat do, ye apne aap hi mar jayenge....plz maintain...ur cool plz...jat has always maintained his cool against all odds for hundreds of years...

nandal sahb .......apan sangwan /dahiya ki fight m rehnge ya ..or kise ki m ...

agar jo bh koi aaj ke din ..haryana ke jaton ke reservatiom ke liye fight kar raha h ..usko hume puri ijaat deni chahiyeee

just because they guy s are fighting for jats not for any body else
aur jaisa ki maine aaj kal padha h .....akhil bhartiye jat mahasabha .........pura jor de rahi h jatoo ko reservation dilvane k liye
or mujhe puri asha h ki jatoon ko bahut jaldi ye mil bhi jaayega ..........


or jaisa maine padha is thread m jo log reservation ko oopose kar rahe h ...........unki maine sariii bateen padhii economic section ki

mera unse ek hi jaaaaaaaawab h ...ki na to economic na kuch orrr .....................is reservation ko kise band kiya jayeeeee



or dusri baat .....kuch padeh like log jo es desh se bahar rehte h ...vo mujhe ye or bateyeee..ki ..unko kya dikaat h agar jatooon ko reservation mil jatiii h toooo agar ve4 neta banne ki nahi soch rahe h toooooooooooooo





i read every single person point over here ..still i favour reservation cause

reservation is gud for jats

who ever is opposing ...just cause of ego problem nothing else

 

[lrburdak]

We strongly need the reservation in Jobs for the Jat community. Historically they have been kept depressed and oppressed since 10-11th century in India. Reservation is a tool for social change. The past experience shows that it proved very useful in the general upward movement of the communities who got this facility. A particular section or persons may be rich and may not need reservation but we have to think for the entire Jat Samaj. It will benefit our people. There should be a combined effort to get reservation in Jobs for the Jat community.

Regards,

 

[rana1]

sare bhaia n ram ram tauuu ji paye laguu
bhai nu batoo jab hum arkshan mange ge t fier jurnal m khoun reh ga jo bhai arksan mange h we bhai fier arkshan ke baad jaat nahi re jate bhaio apni barso purani ijat n bacha looo hum n arkshan na mill ra ja taii log hum n jaat keh s arksan ke baat hum une m samill ho ja ge bhai hum chahe bhukhe maar ja hum n arkshan nahi chahiye bhai jab ladaii karni s t sami alle ke hath m talwar de k keroo na ki khalli hath jabe jeetan ka majaa s

 

[ravichaudhary]

a new jat maha makkar is developing out of those brahmins of sindh, those rajputs of rajasthan, those banias of undivided punjab...where the new advisors of jat land against reservation exceed tilak, talwar and taraju....a new mahamakkar jat is developing that wd keep quite or will be negative on the name of rozi roti for their own blood brothers...even if they are sitting for rozi roti...for thousand of miles away...n certainly such jats did not fall from heaven...but just the ordinary one....otherwise why should they have left their motherland for rozi roti?.....

Nandal Sahib

Your tone is uncalled for and unnecessary.

Your approach will create an unnecessary divide, between Jats in India and Jats abroad.

There are plenty of well off Jats in India, who do not wish to have anything to with reservation. There are plenty, who having achieved economic and social status, then look down upon their brethren in the villages, as being of a lower class than themselves, and do not want to associate with them. I know a few. They do not wish to admit they are Jats.


Our goal here is to do what we can to uplift our community, to provide a forum for discussion, and hope that many will come forward to create and join initiatives towards that end.

Our goal is also to encourage people to learn about their history, in a way, that interests them, and to draw inspiration from it.

I for one do not wish to follow a high and mighty approach.

People who take the time to post are the those who are concerned and are well wishers of the community.

We are grateful for their participation.

Your accusations and tone will not encourage people to participate.

I think ,all of us understand and are grateful for your passion. Passion is important. It is also important to allow a voice to others, and to keep the discussion rational and on an even keel.

We all have a common goal.

BTW , I am not a historian with any great knowledge. I am simply a student of history, with many many limitations in my knowledge.I am just trying to get more people involved, and to share what we find, and hope others will join in to improve upon what is already there. Important in that is to question, and criticize.

Where a person is located,what they do is not important. It is only important that they participate and their post be respectful of others.


Are you uploading the Gurnam Singh report, so that it can be discussed?



Ravi Chaudhary.

 

[annch]

Creamy layer among us!!!!!

Dudi ji, Rakesh ji, Narender ji, Jitender ji,

# How do we plan to exclude our creamy layer from taking advantage of reservation? How are we ensuring that benefits reach the disadvantageous (thousands who are attending your rallies in support of reservation)?
A supreme court bench in Nov 2007, including the Chief Justice, had commented that creamy layer in OBC is like the higher caste that will not allow the really backward (read-villagers in our case) to come up.

Regards,
Anju

Will try to answer Anjoo's questions too later on.
Please try to answer each and every question/answer.

Wo balakan ki dhalan ek ek parshan hal karte chalange. Theek sai

 

[mann123]

Anju,

You are very correct but there is a big question on How to exclude creamy layer. But looks like the Govt is not interested on that and they are still more interested in votes. Last year Central Govt passed a bill increasing the income from Rs250000/pa to Rs450000/pa to put them in creamy layer. Its means the person getting Rs35000/PM is not even part of creamy layer and still can take benefit of reservation.

What to do about that if our elected Govt do like this? In my opinion we all should not take benefit of reservation and it should go to needy only.

Thanks

Dudi ji, Rakesh ji, Narender ji, Jitender ji,

# How do we plan to exclude our creamy layer from taking advantage of reservation? How are we ensuring that benefits reach the disadvantageous (thousands who are attending your rallies in support of reservation)?
A supreme court bench in Nov 2007, including the Chief Justice, had commented that creamy layer in OBC is like the higher caste that will not allow the really backward (read-villagers in our case) to come up.

Regards,
Anju

 

[anrtish]

We strongly need the reservation in Jobs for the Jat community. Historically they have been kept depressed and oppressed since 10-11th century in India. Reservation is a tool for social change. The past experience shows that it proved very useful in the general upward movement of the communities who got this facility. A particular section or persons may be rich and may not need reservation but we have to think for the entire Jat Samaj. It will benefit our people. There should be a combined effort to get reservation in Jobs for the Jat community.

Regards,

ur, thread on brave jats is marvellouas. but my readings on jat land is just opposite. a brave person is defined as a single person who fights with majority as in hindi films.

kahe ke brave jats? jo apni hi majority rah ke sari duniyan se kute pite kya vo jat brave hai? vo bhi lagataar paanch hazaar saal tak? aur aaj bhi is reservation ke thread pe kut pit raha hai. jo ki ki is jat ko rasatal me le ke ja raha hai? koi in jaton ko nahin koota bhai...ye sab apni hi ghalti se kut pit rahe hain...in ke poorvaj kute tilak, taraju aur talwar se...lekin dilli nahin bechi...

ye jo modern generation hai jat ki us ne dilli to bech hi di hai..aage haryana, up...sab bechne wale hain ye log...jatland allows two people. one who are jats n being the jats they are the strongest enemies of jats....

second who r non jats but pose themselves here as jats....

 

[anrtish]

Nandal Sahib

Your tone is uncalled for and unnecessary.

Your approach will create an unnecessary divide, between Jats in India and Jats abroad.

There are plenty of well off Jats in India, who do not wish to have anything to with reservation. There are plenty, who having achieved economic and social status, then look down upon their brethren in the villages, as being of a lower class than themselves, and do not want to associate with them. I know a few. They do not wish to admit they are Jats.


Our goal here is to do what we can to uplift our community, to provide a forum for discussion, and hope that many will come forward to create and join initiatives towards that end.

Our goal is also to encourage people to learn about their history, in a way, that interests them, and to draw inspiration from it.

I for one do not wish to follow a high and mighty approach.

People who take the time to post are the those who are concerned and are well wishers of the community.

We are grateful for their participation.

Your accusations and tone will not encourage people to participate.

I think ,all of us understand and are grateful for your passion. Passion is important. It is also important to allow a voice to others, and to keep the discussion rational and on an even keel.

We all have a common goal.

BTW , I am not a historian with any great knowledge. I am simply a student of history, with many many limitations in my knowledge.I am just trying to get more people involved, and to share what we find, and hope others will join in to improve upon what is already there. Important in that is to question, and criticize.

Where a person is located,what they do is not important. It is only important that they participate and their post be respectful of others.


Are you uploading the Gurnam Singh report, so that it can be discussed?



Ravi Chaudhary.

plz upload it otherwise also its a matter of ten rupees under rti act...

 

[anrtish]

We strongly need the reservation in Jobs for the Jat community. Historically they have been kept depressed and oppressed since 10-11th century in India. Reservation is a tool for social change. The past experience shows that it proved very useful in the general upward movement of the communities who got this facility. A particular section or persons may be rich and may not need reservation but we have to think for the entire Jat Samaj. It will benefit our people. There should be a combined effort to get reservation in Jobs for the Jat community.

Regards,

thaare strongly sochne or needne tte kucch ko ni hassil ho...bhukhe bhajan ...na ho gopala...ye lo apni kanthi mala...thaari ssari wiki phiki sub thari rah rajey gi...reality ko samjho sub chhode do sirf ek baat pe concentrate kryo, burdakji...


thari performance rajasthan me sub se badhiya rahi hai....8 out of 25...worst is haryana jahan 3 out of 10...., better is punjab jahan 48% majority of jats is there in lok sabha...jahan haryana utna bhi nahin le paya jitni ki us ki majority hai jat ki, vahan up better, jo 5 mp le gaya...dilli to chalo jaton ne bech hi di hai...aage faridabad, gurgaon, sonepat, noida ka karya kram zari hai...

 

[deepika]

Either u are possessed with Sourav Nandal's spirit or you are too inspired from him...aapko dohe me badi ruchi lagti hai....ek doha suniye aapke liye hai...
Mangan maran samaan hai, na mange kabhi bheekh
Mangan se marna bhala, yeh satguru ki seekh

I guess u may like one more Doha...here i go...
aaaas kah rahi shwaas se, dheeraj rakhna seekh
bin maange moti millei, maange mille na bheekh

Begging for reservation is such a disgusting thing...If you have it in u and love to work hard then you would have never acted like a person with broken backbone looking for some steel plate(reservation) implanted....mehnat karne wala kabhi bhookha nahi rehta.
Yeh reality bas ek aap jaise logo ko hi samjh aati hai baaki andhe hai kya?

P.S:Though i am anti reservation but i found it really weird the way you are posting rude replies to a senior and respectable member Mr. Burdak jee...i think being in USA does not make one jat eligle to insult one elder jat member.

thaare strongly sochne or needne tte kucch ko ni hassil ho...bhukhe bhajan ...na ho gopala...ye lo apni kanthi mala...thaari ssari wiki phiki sub thari rah rajey gi...reality ko samjho sub chhode do sirf ek baat pe concentrate kryo, burdakji...


thari performance rajasthan me sub se badhiya rahi hai....8 out of 25...worst is haryana jahan 3 out of 10...., better is punjab jahan 48% majority of jats is there in lok sabha...jahan haryana utna bhi nahin le paya jitni ki us ki majority hai jat ki, vahan up better, jo 5 mp le gaya...dilli to chalo jaton ne bech hi di hai...aage faridabad, gurgaon, sonepat, noida ka karya kram zari hai...

 

[anrtish]

We strongly need the reservation in Jobs for the Jat community. Historically they have been kept depressed and oppressed since 10-11th century in India. Reservation is a tool for social change. The past experience shows that it proved very useful in the general upward movement of the communities who got this facility. A particular section or persons may be rich and may not need reservation but we have to think for the entire Jat Samaj. It will benefit our people. There should be a combined effort to get reservation in Jobs for the Jat community.

Regards,

sooner or later we have to come on these terms burdakji...u...are an ifs officer...raviji is ca...but his clan n gaon is still not known to me...i simplly know that he is from western up, a ca...in canada...and ....till ...today wd not like to give his clan n village nnn alll that...without n e proper data how can we proceed further...

 

[deepika]

I guess so you are also on jatland so ofcourse you are also bound to be falling in one of these categories....Could you please tell me which one do u belong to?Or you are here because you are some "Masiha" born for the upliftment of jats with your replies on this thread?You know there's a saying "Dont judge people.Before you try look at yourself.You may find your ownself worse than them".
Let me give u a finer example...Punjabis are called refugees because they came to India after partition.They came empty handed but if we make a survey now they are the people who are well off and own lot of properties,They are some big business tycoons,they are on high positions in government and private sector and mind you they don't have any SC/ST reservations and i guess they dont even cry for it.Jaadu ki chaddi na laaye the ve pakistan tai ki saari muraad puri karde.They all were focussed and followed one mantra "Work hard".
Now look at us...where are we....our ancestors were the residents of this country...we havn't left our country leaving everything behind.Most of us had lot of ancestral land and property and you you deny it then tell me why Jats are called "Zamindars" But what did we do?Still struggling for survival.Rather than working hard we are begging for reservation akk jee mahri naukri laag jaagi.Rightnow they are no less than a begger who buys one lottery ticket hoping to win jackpot so that he doesn't need to work at all

kahe ke brave jats? jo apni hi majority rah ke sari duniyan se kute pite kya vo jat brave hai? vo bhi lagataar paanch hazaar saal tak? aur aaj bhi is reservation ke thread pe kut pit raha hai. jo ki ki is jat ko rasatal me le ke ja raha hai? koi in jaton ko nahin koota bhai...ye sab apni hi ghalti se kut pit rahe hain...in ke poorvaj kute tilak, taraju aur talwar se...lekin dilli nahin bechi...
ye jo modern generation hai jat ki us ne dilli to bech hi di hai..aage haryana, up...sab bechne wale hain ye log...jatland allows two people. one who are jats n being the jats they are the strongest enemies of jats....

second who r non jats but pose themselves here as jats....

 

[deepika]

Now thats called a million dollar question....good one anju ....ofcourse this reservation thing is meant to the advantage of creamy layer only...so if we exclude it there won't be anyone to have benefit from this reservating thingy

Dudi ji, Rakesh ji, Narender ji, Jitender ji,

# How do we plan to exclude our creamy layer from taking advantage of reservation? How are we ensuring that benefits reach the disadvantageous (thousands who are attending your rallies in support of reservation)?
A supreme court bench in Nov 2007, including the Chief Justice, had commented that creamy layer in OBC is like the higher caste that will not allow the really backward (read-villagers in our case) to come up.

Regards,
Anju

 

[anrtish]

we jats demand reservation because we r too backward? what u have to say about it? are they not?

 

[brainspeak]

Dudi ji, Rakesh ji, Narender ji, Jitender ji,

# How do we plan to exclude our creamy layer from taking advantage of reservation? How are we ensuring that benefits reach the disadvantageous (thousands who are attending your rallies in support of reservation)?
A supreme court bench in Nov 2007, including the Chief Justice, had commented that creamy layer in OBC is like the higher caste that will not allow the really backward (read-villagers in our case) to come up.

Regards,
Anju

Anjoo,

The creamy layer is excluded by putting a cap on the annual income of the family and while applying for a seat in an professional college or for job all these details are to be submitted. Currently the cap is 4.5LPA. If the income of the father is more than this the family falls in the creamy layer and hence no reservation.

Further, since 90% of our brethern are in villages and 10% in urban areas and are comfortably well off and obviously belong to the creamy layer all of them will not be able to enjoy the fruits of reservation and many seats would be vacant for people from the economically unsound background. { the figures of 90% and 10% -- i came across in this thread ; also the economic status of the jats who are city dewellers}

Another interesting point is -- jats in Rajasthan, Delhi and UP have already been declared as OBC...and if we consider the total population of jats then the majority is already in the OBC category and noone seems to mind it. Also, people from these states have really benefited from the OBC reservation. Reservation provided the push that they were lacking.

Moreover,some anti-reservation lobbyist equate reservation to not studying....i do not understand how they arrived at this conclusion!!

OBC reservation is not absolute...it has its checks and balances...like the income cap. It is the absolute reservation like for the SCs and STs which harms in the long run. Bcoz they know the reservation would always be there and the well off corner all the seats and hence even after providing reservation for six decades the condition of SCs is deplorable.

Regards,

Kuldeep


P.S. -- This post is in reply to Anjoo's post (even though it was not directed to me)and if she deems fit she can choose to reply or ignore ; others kindly resist from quoting.