Is it a good sign for Haryana Politics? Sampat's Speech

[dahiya1683]

In the last 15 years of state level regime in Haryana, there has been a progressive curve in learning behavior by the leaders:-

1) During Bansi Lal ji's regime, everyone knew him as a headstrong person with unshakable values in life about right and wrong. It was known about him- 'Na khave, na khaan de' (doesnt accept or let accept bribes).
This created the restlessness among the MLA ranks who were interested in little more than their own purses. Rebellion among MLAs let to Bansi LaL jis downfall

2) Chautala learned from this and kept and iron whip for his MLAs, party workers and even beaurucrats. It was 'My way or the highway' and extortion, farm house treatment etc etc became the norm.
then it was 'Saare khudde khave se, khaan na de' ...MLAs who tried to revolt, were given quick doses of farm house treatments which mended their illness rapidly and kept it in control.
But people knew what was going on and so did the root level party workers who were left 'High and Dry'...this illetrate, high handed dictator approach led to chautalas downfall

3) Hoodas learned from this and kept a strong business like attitude in things....the hierarchy is structured more in a corporate manner now...u eat according to your rank and a commision reaches the top....Symbiosis among different ranks and a tight grip on the media and and external signals to keep a tight check on the image projected to the masses.

The Goonda image having been lifted and a regime of 'opportunity' you can eat according to your rank and ability as long as you remain faithful to the person above you in the pyramid structure....Make people work under you and project the 'nice guy' image....

however in the 1st and 3rd regimes, development work has been done which is positive and hopefully will be carried forward in future also...

Vikas bilkul sahi kaha aapne. Common man wants development, jo abhi Hooda ke raaj me ho rahi hai... Khata har politician hai, but kuchh paisa agar janta ke upar bhi kharch de to log usse khush rehte hain... Hooda Raaj me wahi hua hai...

 

[sumitdahiya123]

As u talking about sampat singh image.this is true about some extent.but in the party meeting a worker said him clearly "aapne workers ke paise khaye hai jo chande ke roop mein diye jate hai" besides it they also said "aap to dusri party mein chale jayoge hum to yahi rahenge" i m saying this because i was also present there.sampat singh ne Rs.1 bhi nahi lagaya election mein although workers ke paise khaye hain.

Inld got about 15.68% vote in loke sabha elections in 5 lok sabha seats.but wat about 5 other seats.now u will say that bjp ke vote bhi to aaye honge.all in haryana know that how many vote of bjp had transfered for inld.in real aspect inld has got atleast 20% + votes at their own "dum".the congress got same presentage in 1999 election.AT that time u do not that party is over.

This shold not be way of talking. Inld is over.party will over after quiting sampat singh.INLD does not stand only on sampat singh.where inld will get 20-25 seats in forthcoming elections.AFTER quiting will get 2-3 seats less.because after quiting sampat singh it will some what effect the image of party.

Sampat will quit the inld on 15 july will join congress.sampat singh ke jija which is our neighbour said this.

 

[sunnytewatia]

sumit ji mujhe aap bhajan lala k smarthak lagtey ho aadampur se. waise bata doo sampat singh in person is very good politician he has never looked for money as sumit has claimed in his post. fact to ye hai ki sampat singh ki haar bhi kuch haar nahi thi sirf 6800 voto se hara tha. lekin chotala ka ladka khud buri tarah se haara to chotala ka pata chal gaya ki clean image ki kitni jarurat hoti hai. agar sampat sngh ne 32 saal diye hain apni party ko uske liye party chhoden ka faisla socho kitna mushkil hoga... lekin jab party ke top leader khud hi nahi chahtey ki party mein sudhaar ho to fir sampt singh kya kare.

 

[gauravgg]

Sumit Dahiya with regards!!

Dear Sumit! You definitely have a very limited mindset about Prof. Sampat Singh ji. You spoke about the money that people gave in election being underutilized, and then you spoke about somebody saying in a public meeting that they wouldn't leave the party even if Prof. Sampat Singh ji did. Let me clarify a bit!

We had 9 assembly constituencies to cover in a 30 day period. Prof Sampat Singh covered nearly 14 villages a day. So now you think in those 30 days how much money can people give him, inspite of him being in a party where people gave directly to the upper leadership since they knew their works will be done directly as INLD government had that kind of an image. All selections and transfers, and every contract was done directly by the upper leadership. So people with vested interests or other priorities went straight to the upper level. I would not really go more on this but I think you need to open up a little bit more and talk to people around your area and find out if Prof. Sampat Singh ji is really a person who would go after money.

I was in the same meeting that you are talking about, and it was video recorded and there was nobody who said "aapne workers ke paise khaye hai jo chande ke roop mein diye jate hai" besides it they also said "aap to dusri party mein chale jayoge hum to yahi rahenge".

I would like to request you to kindly verify the facts before writing anything on a community forum.

Also I don't know who is your neighbour since none of my phoophaji lives in mandi adampur.

Regards!!

 

[jitendershooda]

In Haryana politics there will be anti-incumbancy may be after 10 years (Chances of west bengal type record are very less in haryana). In that case what are the options available BhajanLal/Mayawati and INLD. I would never prefer BhajanLal/Mayawati over INLD and that is why I was wishing good luck to them. But now when they are not ready to listen to their loyal ones even and improve upon then what to say. I would say that if this party will not be over then they will definatly be limited to some constituencies only; for the time to come.

If we look at the INLD leaders of Rohtak ... Nafe Singh Rathee, Dharampal Makrolli, Balli pahelwan (got his valve changed recently so might not be that much active), Prem Singh Hooda, Inder Singh, Inder Singh Dhull, Rajkumar ridhao .... etc ... and out of them many are silent and may be willing to move out. Its not the matter of only Sampat Singh leaving INLD, matter is how many silently have left and are leaving. If a senior party member in his later stages of political career leaves a party (Dheerpal Singh ji too) after 32 years this shows he doesnt have much expectations out of new party but its because he was not able to bear the suffocation any more in the previous and that is in rotten state and not willing to improve.

Ranbir Dhaka and Azad atri have now left INLD but because of the hawa given to these two many other have left years ego. I knew many a Devi Lal loyalists who have left because of Azad Atri. Surprisingly both of them dont have much political base. Eeb te wo kaam ho rahya se iss party ka ... ek be rohtak mein Shiv sena ne apna party daftar kholya tha ... er jo jo punjabiyan, baniya, other castes ke oot se balak hon they ya hona chahvein they we inmein ja milein they ... likewise INLD has become party of such type people of every area. Eeb uneh chahe hum dabang jat/asli jat kahe lyan ya kuch aur .... jo soft aur educated chehra tha party ka wo dheere dheere chod ke ja chuke hein.

 

[sunnytewatia]

i feel that inld is seeing worst time not more because of OP chotala but because of his sons may be 10-90 ratio. senior chotala did not do anything wrong publicly except showing love for his sons. it is ajay and abhay who commercialised their party. they always had businesses in constituencies they were elected from. they were facinated by money and land. they wanted nri frens and moti kamayi. all those whom u listed frm rohtak wre made heros by ajay and abhay for their own interests even sexual ones. no political thinking behind these two guys acts. fer parinaam to aisey aaney hi they,....

 

[deepika]

Wow...great...till the time Prof sampat was with INLD he was always appreciated by INLD workers as an honest leader and now when he is leaving party all are spitting venom....Tell those disgusting workers to give us an account of all the chanda money that Chautala and sons ate without a single burp.....and if we compare the figures then i bet poor Sanpat Singh doesn't stand anywhere in front of them in terms of corruption and "chanda scams" .....Addressing a press conference, a pained Sampat Singh, said: “I am Chaudhary Devi Lal’s real heir, the Chautalas are only his heirs by birth. They have drifted away from all that he stood for.”
“I joined the INLD under his influence and stayed on through all the highs and lows. I am pained to leave but there’s no option before me,” he said, even breaking down during the course of the conference.
Attributing his decision to quit the INLD “under pressure” from workers and supporters, who threatened to leave him if he chose to stay on with the INLD, Sampat Singh, also closely associated with strategy formulation of the party, stated that he was with Chaudhary Devi Lal out of conviction while he continued to be with the Chautalas out compulsion.
His speeches reflects his views and his dedication towards INLD.He gave his 32 years to the party and its almost entire life.So before you write anything weird about him think twice.
Its disgusting and nonsense to critisize a good human being like Prof Sanpat.

As u talking about sampat singh image.this is true about some extent.but in the party meeting a worker said him clearly "aapne workers ke paise khaye hai jo chande ke roop mein diye jate hai" besides it they also said "aap to dusri party mein chale jayoge hum to yahi rahenge" i m saying this because i was also present there.sampat singh ne Rs.1 bhi nahi lagaya election mein although workers ke paise khaye hain.

Inld got about 15.68% vote in loke sabha elections in 5 lok sabha seats.but wat about 5 other seats.now u will say that bjp ke vote bhi to aaye honge.all in haryana know that how many vote of bjp had transfered for inld.in real aspect inld has got atleast 20% + votes at their own "dum".the congress got same presentage in 1999 election.AT that time u do not that party is over.

This shold not be way of talking. Inld is over.party will over after quiting sampat singh.INLD does not stand only on sampat singh.where inld will get 20-25 seats in forthcoming elections.AFTER quiting will get 2-3 seats less.because after quiting sampat singh it will some what effect the image of party.

Sampat will quit the inld on 15 july will join congress.sampat singh ke jija which is our neighbour said this.

 

[chhillar]

Wow...great...till the time Prof sampat was with INLD he was always appreciated by INLD workers as an honest leader and now when he is leaving party all are spitting venom....Tell those disgusting workers to give us an account of all the chanda money that Chautala and sons ate without a single burp.....and if we compare the figures then i bet poor Sanpat Singh doesn't stand anywhere in front of them in terms of corruption and "chanda scams" .....Addressing a press conference, a pained Sampat Singh, said: “I am Chaudhary Devi Lal’s real heir, the Chautalas are only his heirs by birth. They have drifted away from all that he stood for.”
“I joined the INLD under his influence and stayed on through all the highs and lows. I am pained to leave but there’s no option before me,” he said, even breaking down during the course of the conference.
Attributing his decision to quit the INLD “under pressure” from workers and supporters, who threatened to leave him if he chose to stay on with the INLD, Sampat Singh, also closely associated with strategy formulation of the party, stated that he was with Chaudhary Devi Lal out of conviction while he continued to be with the Chautalas out compulsion.
His speeches reflects his views and his dedication towards INLD.He gave his 32 years to the party and its almost entire life.So before you write anything weird about him think twice.
Its disgusting and nonsense to critisize a good human being like Prof Sanpat.

I agree with you Deepika on all the accounts and I have not doubt that he is a good man but one thing that I don't get is what must Chautalas have done not to follow Devil Lal's policies in recent past (as per Prof. Saab's) most of the wrongdoings of the them are only while they were in power and like Chautala himself said that while they were in power Prof. saab was always give top posts which is a fact, I don't know but I am curious as to what have Chautala's done now that he is so upset about....I mean they did not have much to do for past 5 years now, also what has really changed in only past couple of months cus he was still seen with them shoulder to shoulder throughout the elections (in fact INLD's main spokes person), would he quit the party had he been elected as an MP ..... again no disrespect just questions

 

[sunnytewatia]

mr raghbir kadian left LKD even after winning 1987 election from beri on lokdal ticket. he had got 24860 votes against Omparkash Beri and was part of govt headed by ch devilal. But later he left( read ditched) devilal and joined congress and fought next election on JD ticket in 1991 and lost it with huge margin from Mr beri again and before 1996 election he left JD and joined congres. He was again defeated by Mr Virender pal of SJP wid huge margin in 1996.... so effectuvely many parties changed.... probably he was not heard in his parties....and had to take decision. similar reasons must have been wid sampat as wel.

and mr sampat singh has clearly told that his voice was not heard there after ch devilal. he tried to revive the party but father son did not pay attention so finaly he gave up.

I agree with you Deepika on all the accounts and I have not doubt that he is a good man but one thing that I don't get is what must Chautalas have done not to follow Devil Lal's policies in recent past (as per Prof. Saab's) most of the wrongdoings of the them are only while they were in power and like Chautala himself said that while they were in power Prof. saab was always give top posts which is a fact, I don't know but I am curious as to what have Chautala's done now that he is so upset about....I mean they did not have much to do for past 5 years now, also what has really changed in only past couple of months cus he was still seen with them shoulder to shoulder throughout the elections (in fact INLD's main spokes person), would he quit the party had he been elected as an MP ..... again no disrespect just questions

 

[chhillar]

mr raghbir kadian left LKD even after winning 1987 election from beri on lokdal ticket. he had got 24860 votes against Omparkash Beri and was part of govt headed by ch devilal. But later he left( read ditched) devilal and joined congress and fought next election on JD ticket in 1991 and lost it with huge margin from Mr beri again and before 1996 election he left JD and joined congres. He was again defeated by Mr Virender pal of SJP wid huge margin in 1996.... so effectuvely many parties changed.... probably he was not heard in his parties....and had to take decision. similar reasons must have been wid sampat as wel.

and mr sampat singh has clearly told that his voice was not heard there after ch devilal. he tried to revive the party but father son did not pay attention so finaly he gave up.

Sunny Tewatia, It was Ch. Devi Lal who threw away Dr. Kadian to please Chautala and he was not the only one these were several people who were kicked out, so no ditching my friend. All these people were educated and use to be very close to Ch. Devilal which was unacceptable to Chautala. Some of these guys along side Dr. Kadian were Ch. Ranjeet Singh ( Chautala's brother), Ch. Virender Singh, Ch. Ran Singh Mann, Ch. Anand Singh Dangi and JP (former MP from Hisar). Also, they left lok dal while they were all in cabinet. Prof Sampat today says he is the real heir of Devi Lal, well everybody knows how close he has been to Chautala.

Yes my father-in-law has been defeated two times but then he has won the game three times too (you like it or not) and this is going to be fourth one my dear.

 

[deepika]

Well i wish i could give you straight answer but it cant because i dont want to create any controversies......Still i will try to put the words in diplomatic way well as we all know Chautala and sons never respect people working under them and abused them(even bashed them sometimes)....Tell me one thing if a king chooses one person as his minister does it mean that minister will be heared all the time and all the decisions king and his sons will make will be as per minister's advices? i am afraid not.... and i think i have given u answer to your very question....Prof Sampant was offered good position because of his great work he has done for the party..and needless to say he has been working since Tau devi Lal was alive so ofcourse its a long and old relationship....otherwise tell me why Chautala would have offered him such positions when Prof. Sanpat is not even his relative?And its not necessary for a person to be with a wrong leader or party only because he was offered a good positions...

I agree with you Deepika on all the accounts and I have not doubt that he is a good man but one thing that I don't get is what must Chautalas have done not to follow Devil Lal's policies in recent past (as per Prof. Saab's) most of the wrongdoings of the them are only while they were in power and like Chautala himself said that while they were in power Prof. saab was always give top posts which is a fact, I don't know but I am curious as to what have Chautala's done now that he is so upset about....I mean they did not have much to do for past 5 years now, also what has really changed in only past couple of months cus he was still seen with them shoulder to shoulder throughout the elections (in fact INLD's main spokes person), would he quit the party had he been elected as an MP ..... again no disrespect just questions

 

[chhillar]

Agreed....I guess there is nobody in INLD who can handle finance deptt. except him cus not many are educated in the party, his work....yes that could be a reason but still close proximity to thee hee...don't deny it now

 

[deepika]

Before you try to be sarcastic you better read your reply first...how did you compare one leader who changed his party like new clothes with a person who gave his 32 years to the party?It does not make any sense at all....and let me tell u one thing Prof Sanpat was the most deserving leader of the INLD...u can give any illogical reasons to support your point but it can't change the fact

mr raghbir kadian left LKD even after winning 1987 election from beri on lokdal ticket. he had got 24860 votes against Omparkash Beri and was part of govt headed by ch devilal. But later he left( read ditched) devilal and joined congress and fought next election on JD ticket in 1991 and lost it with huge margin from Mr beri again and before 1996 election he left JD and joined congres. He was again defeated by Mr Virender pal of SJP wid huge margin in 1996.... so effectuvely many parties changed.... probably he was not heard in his parties....and had to take decision. similar reasons must have been wid sampat as wel.

and mr sampat singh has clearly told that his voice was not heard there after ch devilal. he tried to revive the party but father son did not pay attention so finaly he gave up.

 

[deepika]

Well if you know a person who is the most deserving in your Rajdarbar and is most eligible candidate for the post of minister...would you ever consider anyone else?m sure not...and you also dont deny it now

Agreed....I guess there is nobody in INLD who can handle finance deptt. except him cus not many are educated in the party, his work....yes that could be a reason but still close proximity to thee hee...don't deny it now

 

[chhillar]

I agree Deepika all the way.....no denial....Prof Sampat and family is highly educated and respected. I don't think I have ever seen him in news for any wrong reasons either.....

Anyways moving on ..... Shusheel Indora now being sidelined because Chautala needs Ellenabad for himself or sons, thats why he was not offered Sisra lok sabha ticket inspite of being two time MP from there because Chautala had to let him go from Ellenabad as there is no place for him and sons to hide in rest of Haryana

 

[sunnytewatia]

nahi dipika ji. i am never sarcastic. even i was not comparing prof sampat singh with mr kadian. reason being that both are leaders of "different" level.

prof sampat singh has earned lots of respect due to good work but his image was overshadowed by wrong doings of ajay and abhay chautala and other leaders. u rightly said... he has a long track of 32 years which others can not maintain. i just gave example of mr kadian as my mother is from halka beri and i know mr kadian well.

Mr Kadian can not even dare to enter some villages of his own halka beri in absense of deepender or bhupender singh hooda. people call him property dealer. may be i am wrong but that is what i have heard as my mamaji and his family from village dubaldhan-majra is die hard supporter of mr kadian and they themselves do not deny these facts.

Prof sampat is class apart.

Before you try to be sarcastic you better read your reply first...how did you compare one leader who changed his party like new clothes with a person who gave his 32 years to the party?It does not make any sense at all....and let me tell u one thing Prof Sanpat was the most deserving leader of the INLD...u can give any illogical reasons to support your point but it can't change the fact

 

[sunnytewatia]

sorry sir if i have hurt you. i did not know that mr kadian is your relative. just a coincidence... i was writing because my mamaji stays in his constituency (vil majra) and is supporter of mr kadian since devilal times. he himself told me these facts.

what i know is that mr kadian will definitely win but not because of his personal reputation this time but because people of halka beri want mr bhupender hooda to be cm and congress in power.... so congress will win from halka beri.... does not matter who is candidate... mr kadian or someone else...

same way i have heard similar situation in meham where dangi is in bad shape and deepender has to go every week to revive his situation fpr upcoming elections...

may be if i dont know much but please excuse me if something wrong.

Sunny Tewatia, It was Ch. Devi Lal who threw away Dr. Kadian to please Chautala and he was not the only one these were several people who were kicked out, so no ditching my friend. All these people were educated and use to be very close to Ch. Devilal which was unacceptable to Chautala. Some of these guys along side Dr. Kadian were Ch. Ranjeet Singh ( Chautala's brother), Ch. Virender Singh, Ch. Ran Singh Mann, Ch. Anand Singh Dangi and JP (former MP from Hisar). Also, they left lok dal while they were all in cabinet. Prof Sampat today says he is the real heir of Devi Lal, well everybody knows how close he has been to Chautala.

Yes my father-in-law has been defeated two times but then he has won the game three times too (you like it or not) and this is going to be fourth one my dear.

 

[anilsangwan]

i agree deepika all the way.....no denial....prof sampat and family is highly educated and respected. I don't think i have ever seen him in news for any wrong reasons either.....

Anyways moving on ..... Shusheel indora now being sidelined because chautala needs ellenabad for himself or sons, thats why he was not offered sisra lok sabha ticket inspite of being two time mp from there because chautala had to let him go from ellenabad as there is no place for him and sons to hide in rest of haryana

जी हाँ भाईसाब... आज के जागरण में भी न्यूज़ है की इन्दोरा ने सिरसा में मीटिंग अत्तेंड नहीं की चौटाला की ...

 

[anilsangwan]

जीतू भाई आजकल कौन सी पार्टी में हैं यह दो लोग?.

ranbir dhaka and azad atri have now left inld but because of the hawa given to these two many other have left years ego. I knew many a devi lal loyalists who have left because of azad atri. Surprisingly both of them dont have much political base.

 

[nd-chora]

same way i have heard similar situation in meham where dangi is in bad shape and deepender has to go every week to revive his situation fpr upcoming elections...

may be if i dont know much but please excuse me if something wrong.

u r right sunny...but they will win for sure due to reputation of Ch. Bhupinder.