Shamless-American Journalists Gets Beaten By Delhi Police!

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in general, my thoughts dont differ much frm urs sumit. i also assume US journo's version is right. but i need to know one thing. when the 'world' knows how corrupt and crooked delhi (indian) police is then why to make such a hue n cry over 'one incident' which by all means should have been more like a "oh, again" in the eyes of those who mostly pick apart anything Indian. what about the incidents i mentioned in one of the posts earlier? when the entire planet knows about the high standards of policing there in the US, don't the following rare irregularities need more clamoring? im not taking u too far back in history.

(sept 21,2009) http://www.hiphopmusic.com/best_of_y...heelchair.html (California Police Taser Legless Man in Wheelchair)
(june 4, 2009) http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/04...eeding-ticket/ (Texas Police Officer tasers 72-year old grandmother who refuses to sign a speeding ticket)
but have u ever talked about these or any such others? i hope u dont say 'why to speak of it, it doesnt bother us'. even though the journo's been wronged, imho we're stretching out too much.
dahiyarules said:
If the Police is not going to be there to help, where are the helpless people going to go for help?
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["India's status as the world's largest democracy is undermined by a police force that thinks it is above the law,"
... says Brad Adams, Asia Director of Human Rights Watch, in a recent report.]

i disagree.

i think india's status as a democracy - irrespective of size - is firstly undermined by a political class that thinks it is abv the law, by an administrative machinery tht thinks it is abv the law, nd - going by how upset they are at being asked to divulge their financial assets - a judiciary tht thinks it is abv the law, too. the cops are way, way down the line... nd, oh, incidentally, along the way, they get shot, too. none of the others run that risk.

brutality, fake encounters, sexual harassment, custodial crimes, illicit use of wepons... you name it nd they do it all. the stench of rot stinks all the way.

dp nd others are a bunch of pot-bellied morons... nothing else !

p.s. way to go !!!... n'joy these tuching moments
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help is just 911 away here.my son dialed 911 once after learning in school about safety when he was in kindergarten.A policeman was at my door after 5 minutes.he spoke to my son and made sure that he is all rt.
poonam said:
I'm glad, not for what happned to you, but that you narrated your story here. Hopefully it'll help people understand the difference better.

Well, I have one too to tell when I was lost driving ..(yeah no GPS at that time) ..pitch dark in the night and how this cop helped me to get back to my destination. I agree with you totally Sumit.. "Police in India has a long way to catch up with the civilized world when it comes to professionalism."
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I don't get it. What is so shameless- the brutality of Delhi Police or that an American was at the receiving end? Assuming the American's story is true (And please be conscious that all of us are assuming here, no one has a frigging clue what happened on the spot. So why take such strong positions when you are taking a wild guess on the truth quotient?)- is it shameless because an American got involved? Would it have been "all right" had he not got involved and the poor guy (who everyone has missed altogether in this debate) continued to be beaten by 4 policemen?

Assuming the Delhi Police version is true, would it have been "all right" to beat up a person (American or otherwise) black and blue, just because he was in a drunken state and creating nuisance?

Let's take a step back and look at some fairly obvious points:

1. The story first appeared in TOI. There is a chance that many parts of it may have been imagined by a creative writer. You do a google news on the journo's name, only 2 results come up- TOI and Indian Express. The usually hyperactive Americans (media/diplomats) have not become a part of this yet.

2. None of us know what the truth is. We can only take wild guesses based on our biases. I find both versions entirely plausible. The American has admitted that he was drunk. He may have "interferred" against an injustice, as some of us here would like to believe. DP is capable of doing much worse things than beating up someone who objects to their methods. But 8 times out of 10, I think they'd be wary when a foreigner is involved. A drunk American causing a ruckus and then cooking up a story on police brutality- quite possible.

3. Irrespective of this incident, Delhi Police and most of other Indian police is quite unprofessional and brutal in their methods. But one also has to appreciate the circumstances these guys work in. They are horribly understaffed, working for more than 24 hours in one go. Many of them travel huge distances to come to work. They deal with the scum of the society most of the time. It is not as if they are brutal before joining the system, they join a brutal system and adapt to it.

4. Does any of it justify beating anyone black and blue? No.

I am not sure whether to be amused or appalled by the way the debate turned to patriotism and India-West comparison. In my opinion, it was a bad start using Indians at the airport comparison (!!??) and Indo-China comparison (again? here?) that only got worse with each counter argument.

Policing in West is very different from policing in India. The circumstances, the people, the challenges- everything is different. Also, we need to be aware that we are victims of our own experiences. I know of 2 cases here in London, where the police didn't even turn up for 24 hours after cases of physical assault. That has left a rather bad impression of the police here on my mind- just like some people think police in West is quite good.
 
yudhvirmor said:
Sumit bhai yeh hamari sanskriti ke khilaf hai Gori Gf ke ghar main rehna..:rock:rock:rock... Jatlanders ek SarvKhap Panchyat ka ayojan kiya jaye:D:D:D...
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Hori thee Kaali theee akk kimme horr rang ki thee, yo hisaab tanne kyunkar layaa bhai? :p
 
raj_rathee said:
Ha ha :D :boxing

Mazzaa aa gaya yoh thread pad ke...
Journalist err police karawe apni issi tissi....hum tae aapas mein rola
kar lenge... :D

Gotta love this space.... :p
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Raj
I am with you on that. I am sure we won't solve this issue but we sure will make enemies with eachother.
 
karan said:
Raj
I am with you on that. I am sure we won't solve this issue but we sure will make enemies with eachother.
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Sir!

I do not take disagreements to the heart. I am sure if I meet in person anyone with whom I disagree on this person, I will give them a big hug and show them my love. And that includes all the single ladies ! :p :p
 
yudhvirmor said:
Dhaiya sahab agar kali hondi toh aap uss gelan naa raho hoo.. ar Desi hondi toh Police naa bulandi... pache bachi Gori...
baki Philpino bhi hoo sake see :confused::confused::confused:
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He He He! trust me bro, I am color-blind when it comes to people. It increases my possibilities exponentially.

Whatever her genetic make-up, she was a total nutcase with some kind of a multiple-personality disorder. To set the record straight, I had been seeing her for a few days only until the whole thing exploded. I was at her house for Thanksgiving Dinner. To this day when I think of that day, I consider myself lucky that I did not get arrested.

The point that most people missed was that it was good that the Police showed up in no time. What if someone was beating their wife/girlfriend for real.

Have you seen Ben Stiller's "Heartbreak Kid." I see that movie again and again and each time laugh at myself. :d :d Go watch it. You will get an idea what I am talking about.
 
Okay-okay...let's try to figure this one out. :D

This is what happened to our Jat Casanova... :thappad

dahiyarules said:
I have been pulled over a couple of times for "moving violations." But, my most major brush with Law Enforcement happened a couple of years ago. This happened in deep (racist)South. I will keep the story short. I got into an argument with a girlfriend. It all started with the bacon in my gravy. I told her that I do not eat pork. She got all psycho about it and alleged that I did not like her cooking. While I was trying to cool her down, I put my hand on her arm. And that was it. She called the cops on me for believe it or not "DOMESTIC VIOLENCE."

At that moment I thought I was a turkey. I had heard of all those stories of Police bias against non-white people. Three cop cars came within five minutes. I thought that was the end of it all for me. They put me against my car and frisked me. Then they heard my story. After that they made me wait outside the house and went inside the house to hear my girlfriends story.

By now I was wondering who am I going to make my one free call from the slammer. The cops came out in 15 minutes and while I thought they were moving towards me to arrest me, they told me to take my stuff and leave. They thought my girlfriend was out of it and needed to see a shrink. One of the cops winked at me said: "take my suggestion, go find someone else, shes nuts."
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And this is what he learnt from it... :confused: :p

dahiyarules said:
Exactly! Let me make it clear that even here in the US there are some cases of Police brutality every now and then. But, the overall level of Professionalism of the Law Enforcement Agencies is highly commendable. All reported cases of Police brutality are extensively investigatedThe bad apples are severely punished for abusing there power.

I am sure that incident could have played otherwise also. But overall this incident highlights the professionalism of Law Enforcement agencies here in the US. A few bad apples do not speak for the largely good cops.

Police in India has a long way to catch up with the civilized world when it comes to professionalism. Incidents like the one with the American journalist scare people into asking Police for help. If the Police is not going to be there to help, where are the helpless people going to go for help?
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He he he...

Bhai Sumit, the issue we should be discussing here is not the finer naunces
of law enforcement, but your choice of women!!! :eek:

Re Kameen, aunty ne nu paal-poss ke bada kara tha tun, ki yeh gul khilaayega?

Kya bas yehi din dekhne baaki thhe hum biradaree waalon ko!! Kitte bhi
munnh dikhan joge na chodde... :D
 
dahiyarules said:
Its time Indians start living up to the creed: "Guest is like God himself."
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Sumit Bro...you are missing the point here.

Through this incident, Delhi police has demonstrated it is egalitarian
and stands by the motto: "Do unto others what you would do unto
your own".

And we all know what the Delhi police does to its own... :eek:

Should we not be proud that Delhi police did not show any bhed-bhaav
based on color, creed, race, national origin....? For once, we should be
standing behind them...they beat a gora just like they would have a desi...
they'll threaten and cajole any witnesses just like always...they will fabricate facts and circumstances as usual....the gora has not been given any
special treatment.. :D
 
poonam said:
I'm glad, not for what happned to you, but that you narrated your story here. Hopefully it'll help people understand the difference better.

Well, I have one too to tell when I was lost driving ..(yeah no GPS at that time) ..pitch dark in the night and how this cop helped me to get back to my destination. I agree with you totally Sumit.. "Police in India has a long way to catch up with the civilized world when it comes to professionalism."
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By God...yoh thread padh ke weekend set hogaya... :D

One of my goree colleagues (a former model - and I can see why) was pulled over by a cop on a California highway for speeding...way over the limit...she
batted a few eyelids...acted cute 'n' all...and ticket ko maaro goli...ended up getting asked for a date...she puckered her lips...showed her marriage ring...said how sorry she was to have to let this opportunity pass...and was off on her way...

Poonam madam on the other hand was merely told the way home... :p :tamatar

Eeeb ko kaali hontee tae? I bet she'd be lying face down on the road with
her feet and hands spread apart... :eek:

...alright folks...masti apart....

I don't think it makes too much sense to compare Indian police with
police here...don't see much point in singling them out. Of all the corruption/
illegal cases I have heard of in NA, the police forces have been the most
prominent...they are at the bottom of the barrel...*relative to the society
here*...

The Indian police forces are no different..they are scum. Sight of them
inspires dread not comfort. But is it really different from the larger Indian
society?...everything there is corrupt, uncivilized, unprofessional...right from the politician, bureacrat, clerk, teachers, anganwaadi workers....you name
it...its all about loot khasot...in your face...might is right...kiss my butt...and the Indian police forces fit right in...perfectly....

So it does seem a bit strange that we are singling the police out here...
they might be bottom of the Indian barrel...but in all honesty that
can readily be juxtaposed with things here...its simply a matter of degree..

So I think it is the gora having his dhola paacha kicked that is the real issue here. And in that case, making a big fuss here seems more a reflection
of the "gore chaale gaye aur goolam chodd gaye" complex...

Err pher we saare gulam laage saen amreeka aa gaye...freedom dhoondan... :D ...

Question to ask here is whether this thread would have been started if
the incident had happened to a desi in Delhi...my guess is that it would
not have...doesn't that pretty much say it all?
 
raj_rathee said:
Bhai Sumit, the issue we should be discussing here is not the finer naunces
of law enforcement, but your choice of women!!! :eek:

Re Kameen, aunty ne nu paal-poss ke bada kara tha tun, ki yeh gul khilaayega?

Kya bas yehi din dekhne baaki thhe hum biradaree waalon ko!! Kitte bhi
munnh dikhan joge na chodde... :D
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Rathee Bhaisaab! I am very candid about what is supposedly my private life. I consider myself to be a very broadminded person. And when I share my personal experiences in life, I expect the people I share them with to be broadminded. Even though my maa would disagree with me, I dont think theres anything wrong about dating. It broadened my horizon. Dating helped me realize what I wanted in my life. I am sure if an when I decide to get into a serious relationship, my past experience will help me make an educated decision and my partner will benefit from it too.

Whether you agree with me or not, I believe there are a lot of people who will go ballistic about "apni-sanskriti" on forums like these, but when they are off their keyboards they either deal with their hidden desires or they have a life that is totally antithetical to what they say on such forums.

I shared my experience because I thought I could make a point, but the discussion is just going off-track. It will take another generation for some members to mature to the next level.

Once again, there are good cops and there are bad cops. Your co-worker got asked for a date. If she was in India theres a good chance she may have been raped by the testosterone-driven Delhi Police hawaldaars. What's even more ridiculous is that the bimbo is going around boasting about how she sweet-talked her way out of a ticket.
 
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dahiyarules said:
Rathee Bhaisaab! I am very candid about what is supposedly my private life. I consider myself to be a very broadminded person. And when I share my personal experiences in life, I expect the people I share them with to be broadminded. Even though my maa would disagree with me, I dont think theres anything wrong about dating. It broadened my horizon. Dating helped me realize what I wanted in my life. I am sure if an when I decide to get into a serious relationship, my past experience will help me make an educated decision and my partner will benefit from it too.

Whether you agree with me or not, I believe there are a lot of people who will go ballistic about "apni-sanskriti" on forums like these, but when they are off their keyboards they either deal with their hidden desires or they have a life that is totally antithetical to what they say on such forums.

I shared my experience because I thought I could make a point, but the discussion is just going off-track. It will take another generation for some members to mature to the next level.

Once again, there are good cops and there are bad cops. Your co-worker got asked for a date. If she was in India theres a good chance she may have been raped by the testosterone-driven Delhi Police hawaldaars. What's even more ridiculous is that the bimbo is going around boasting about how she sweet-talked her way out of a ticket.
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Spot on..that settles it..
couldnt be more true...
 
kapil.dalal said:
I don't get it. What is so shameless- the brutality of Delhi Police or that an American was at the receiving end? Assuming the American's story is true (And please be conscious that all of us are assuming here, no one has a frigging clue what happened on the spot. So why take such strong positions when you are taking a wild guess on the truth quotient?)- is it shameless because an American got involved? Would it have been "all right" had he not got involved and the poor guy (who everyone has missed altogether in this debate) continued to be beaten by 4 policemen?

Assuming the Delhi Police version is true, would it have been "all right" to beat up a person (American or otherwise) black and blue, just because he was in a drunken state and creating nuisance?

Let's take a step back and look at some fairly obvious points:

1. The story first appeared in TOI. There is a chance that many parts of it may have been imagined by a creative writer. You do a google news on the journo's name, only 2 results come up- TOI and Indian Express. The usually hyperactive Americans (media/diplomats) have not become a part of this yet.

2. None of us know what the truth is. We can only take wild guesses based on our biases. I find both versions entirely plausible. The American has admitted that he was drunk. He may have "interferred" against an injustice, as some of us here would like to believe. DP is capable of doing much worse things than beating up someone who objects to their methods. But 8 times out of 10, I think they'd be wary when a foreigner is involved. A drunk American causing a ruckus and then cooking up a story on police brutality- quite possible.

3. Irrespective of this incident, Delhi Police and most of other Indian police is quite unprofessional and brutal in their methods. But one also has to appreciate the circumstances these guys work in. They are horribly understaffed, working for more than 24 hours in one go. Many of them travel huge distances to come to work. They deal with the scum of the society most of the time. It is not as if they are brutal before joining the system, they join a brutal system and adapt to it.

4. Does any of it justify beating anyone black and blue? No.

I am not sure whether to be amused or appalled by the way the debate turned to patriotism and India-West comparison. In my opinion, it was a bad start using Indians at the airport comparison (!!??) and Indo-China comparison (again? here?) that only got worse with each counter argument.

Policing in West is very different from policing in India. The circumstances, the people, the challenges- everything is different. Also, we need to be aware that we are victims of our own experiences. I know of 2 cases here in London, where the police didn't even turn up for 24 hours after cases of physical assault. That has left a rather bad impression of the police here on my mind- just like some people think police in West is quite good.
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completely agreed with Kapil. Every where conditions are different. It's not possible to have a system like US or UK in India. Indian system has it's own strength and weakness.

Many of things in thread looks like off topic Still I would like to share my own views on the going discussion.

It's really disheartening to see that many fellow members of jl presenting their own country worse than Taliban. Every body knows level racism we are facing in west. No need to mention, what happens to Indian students in Australia. Where was the Aussies police at that time???. It's well known that, for Indians how much US is safe in night??. Where the professional U.S. police goes in the night??? In spite of all this western countries are presented like heaven on earth by our own people.

When our VIPs are misbehaved by US police(no need to mention many examples are there, starting form politicians to Bollywood star) then it's part of their system and VIPs are doing drama. Now a drunkard American is troubled(even that's not sure) by Delhi police we are using words like 'SHAMELESS' for our own country. Many of us are defending America(biggest sponsor of war in the world) like any thing.

I hope this will change soon and people will realize their responsibility toward their mother land.
 
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"Every body knows level racism we are facing in west. No need to mention, what happens to Indian students in Australia. Where was the Aussies police at that time???."


its been mentioned earlier here
1% to wot happenes in India
 
dahiyarules said:
Your co-worker got asked for a date. If she was in India theres a good chance she may have been raped by the testosterone-driven Delhi Police hawaldaars. What's even more ridiculous is that the bimbo is going around boasting about how she sweet-talked her way out of a ticket.
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Yeah right Bhaai ji, "Rape at sight" is Delhi-Police's motto. :)

Also there is a special TA [Testosterone Allowance] included in delhi police salary. (to buy 'it' for those who lack 'it') :D
Main duty of delhi police is thrashing people middle of the road [middle of the night].
Special emphasis is on thrashing FaarNars or Faarnars look-a-likes. :(

i spent a considerable amount of my student life at DU, never got thrashed or raped. i guess i was "THE ONE" [secretly blessed by Potters and Lord Voldemort]. "the GUY who lived... ,The ONE who shall not be Thrashed or Raped." :rock

Anyone else who survived Delhi (the district 9 of India)?? :)

P.S.: Please leave delhi ASAP... go somewhere else (pakistan, somaliya, rawanda, united states, europe, anywhere..) Police on prowl !! :)
Be a responsible citizen and inform others also!!
 
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