Aarakshan ko dilli gherenge Jat

[rajkphogat]

bhai saab baat isi hai ke main to jit bhi jaun hoon sabhi izzat deva hai........
ar bhai rahi jaanan ki baat to bhai isa hai ki aaj tak zit bhi gaya hun wahan ke log aaj tak na bhule hai, ar hamesha JAATAN ka naam uncha karya hai......
bhai tu ek baar mil lega to tu bhi konya bhula manna........

ar bhai yo bhi possible na hai ki duniya ka har ek aadmi ek dusare ne jaane...
log to bhai CH. DEVILAL,CH. CHARAN SINGH na ni jaan-ante jo itne bade leader the..........

Bhai i think In logo ke time me agar OBC kota hota jattan ka, to ye amrica ke president ban jatey Hahahahahaah..............

 

[daivischahal]

General cateogary m num padta nahi mahra eb bata hum ke karan ..

bhai sab ne bera hai ki jobs limited hai.....to number to unka padaga jo us field ma mehnat karaga........jo job chahiye to padhna padaga........na to apni kheti karo......
ar bhai ek baat sun........maan le reservation mil gaya........to bhai uska fayda bhi bas wahi uthavanga jo pahlan te hi educated.......35% waale ka fer bhi number konya pada.......

koye jugad /tugad karke ya ....reservation mil jave t bhai .......50 ke 85 % chance hoja s ......

bhai 50 ke 85% na hova..........50 ke 50.5% hi hova ga.........bhai itna tu khud bhi hisaab laga saka hai.......

ar isme jo manee bera h aaj tak .....kisi k kime bhi na sedhta ......rajasthan ke jatan n tham kista ak backward class kar ke bolo soo

bhai izzat to bas maanan ki chiz hova hai.........na to duniya ma ghane kamin ar besharam log bhi ji re hain....chahe tu unke muh ba gaali bak de, we kuch bhi na bola......
bhai maare vaaste to BACKWARD CATEGORY ma aana sabte bade GAALI hai..........ib tane na feel hota to isma hum kuch ni kar sakte.........

bhai tu khud bta......ek candiate din-raat mehnat kar rya hai ek job khaatar......ar dusara reserved candidate uske muqabale kuch na pad rya ....to bhai WHO DESERVES THAT JOB........

bhai agar apni community waaste kuch karna hi hai to koi school, college kulwao........jahan balkaa ne free ya fer kam paise ma education mil sake......fer reservation ki jarurat hi na pada.......

 

[daivischahal]

Bhai i think In logo ke time me agar OBC kota hota jattan ka, to ye amrica ke president ban jatey Hahahahahaah..............

na bhai isa kuch na hai........ye bhi OBC kote ki maang kar sake the jaatan waasta........par bhia ye achhe leader the.......unha bera tha ke KOTE te kuch na hona.........
agar kuch ho sakta hai to sir EDUCATION SE........

ye upar ek bhai na ghane LEADERS ke naam ginvae hai......jo us reservation ki rally ma logon na bhadka re the........

jahan tak mera sochna hai ki ye saare leader ghane RICH hai.....to bhai agar ye apni community ke baare itna hi socha hai to fer koi school ya college kyun ka kholte.......jahan JAATAN ke balkaan ne high standard ki education di ja sake........
na hi ye kadi kissan waaste koi camp lagaate jahan kissan te khtei karne ki MODERN TECHNIQUE bta saka.......
nah hi koi hospital kholte jahan kam te kam kharche ma kisi jaat ka ilaaz ho saka.........
bhai inha jaatan te kuch na lena..........bas apni POLITICS KI DUKAAN chalaan te matlab hai..........

 

[daivischahal]

Yahan par log iss arakshan ko jaise mathey ka kalank man kar taunting baat karne se nahi chookte. Koe kaheta hai ki humne tash khelna chod diya .... to mein un bhai saab se ye poochna chahta hun ki ...us ladke ke sath kya wo aaj bhi tash khelte hein jiska byah isliye nahi hua ki byont nahi hai, maukri nahi hai .... aur wo orissa se le aya bahu?

Aur aise log jo iss terah ki arakshan ki khilafat kar rahe hein ... mein unka ahwan karta hun ki ... aap log hum se jyada sahi vichar dhara ke log hein ... mein manta hun ... your piont is much more valid logically and ideally .... but NOT PRACTICAL at present scenerio ....

If you still feel that you are stick to your view point ... I appreciate ... but this appreciation is not merely for your typed words here ... it will be for Jat like actions.

Jat has never tolerated wrong rules forced on them in past ... they are brave ... they are Chattris ... you too have all those qualities not mentioned by me by which you are stronger in all sense than others living on this piece of land .....

COME ON SUPER JATS ..... ORGANISE SOME RALLY AGAINST RESERVATION ..... PEACEFULL PROTESTS .... ITS FOR NOBLE CAUSE ....

During our discussions on previous threads we found ourselves on two banks ... one favouring for action to acheive this and others who were saying to completly eradicate this. We had talks of actions. I appreciate Narender Kharb Ji, Justice tewatia, Comdt hawa singh sangwan ji, rakesh sangwan ji and many others who have converted their thoughts into actions. But NO NEWS FROM THE OTHER SIDE PEOPLE. WHY? is it JAT Attitude? A BIG NOOOO.

Now please dont say we are doing community service by other means and dont have time to do all this crap ... for those of this situation ... I understand their position ... I am more sympathetic towards you ... But please atleast keep quite for other who are doing something in this regard.

hooda bhai saab........aapko life me mujhse kahi jyada experience......mujhse zyada duniya dekhi hai.........DESH KI GHATIYA POLITICS ke baare me app achhi tarah janate ho.......aapko bhi pta hai ki agar koi RESERVATION ke virodh me protest karega to ghatiya politician reserved category ke logon ko bhadka denge.......or desh me itne bada civil war shuru ho jayega ki aapne kabhi socha bhi nahi hoga.......lakhon log bina kisi matlab ke maare jaenge.........
reservation koi protest karne se khatam nahi hoga.......ise kahatam karna hai to un logo ko jagruk karna hoga jo reservation ki maang karte hai......ya already reserved category me hai........or ye sirf education se hi ho sakta......
hum aarakshan maang kar is bimari ko or jyada badhava de rahe hain........

and sir please dont think that WE, "the people against reservation" , will sit quietly and let these POLITICIANS make a mockery of our Prestigous Jaat Culture.......
........ye sirf bhole-bhaale jaaton ko bhadka rahe hai........

 

[vikasphougat]

investment

jahan tak mera sochna hai ki ye saare leader ghane RICH hai.....to bhai agar ye apni community ke baare itna hi socha hai to fer koi school ya college kyun ka kholte.......jahan JAATAN ke balkaan ne high standard ki education di ja sake........
na hi ye kadi kissan waaste koi camp lagaate jahan kissan te khtei karne ki MODERN TECHNIQUE bta saka.......
nah hi koi hospital kholte jahan kam te kam kharche ma kisi jaat ka ilaaz ho saka.........
bhai inha jaatan te kuch na lena..........bas apni POLITICS KI DUKAAN chalaan te matlab hai..........

shai khe se bhai
pure desh me te free me t aaya nhai jaawe delhi
usme jitne pese lage ga wo sara wo leader he to de ge or kon de ga

gaadiya pe apne naam k poster lga lga k bhar-bhar k leke aawege ak mahre saath itne aadme han agle chunawo me ticket hme he dena asli maqsd to yhe hota inka

na te itne pese t te bhut se priwaro ka bhla ho sqta hai agr
koye bdiya sa kaam krya jawe T
jo tne upr kikh rake han

par


ye neta bde chalu chij han ye long term investment krya kre
ib pesa lgawe g ar arksn milo ya na milo pher logan n khwe g ak hum t tari gel the ib hmne vote do
ar 1 be jite he inke ib lgye huwe pese kai guna ho k ulte aawe ge

 

[arvindjangu]

एक भाई ने कहा के हमे अच्छी शिक्षा अच्छे स्कूल की जरुरत हैं | भाई आपने बिलकुल सही फ़रमाया , आपकी बात गौरतलब हैं | अच्छी शिक्षा मिलने से हमारे बच्चे अच्छी उच्च शिक्षा प्राप्त करेंगे |
अब रही बात आरक्षण की तो भाइयों हम जाट " जर्नल कोटे " में आते हैं जिसमे हमारे लिए 50 % नौकरियो के लिए आवेदन कर सकते हैं | हमने चाहे कितने ही अच्छे शिक्षण संस्था से शिक्षा ग्रहण कर रखी हो , उसके बाद भी हम सिर्फ 50 % नौकरियो के हकदार हैं |
अब रही बात obc कोटे की तो सरकार ने इनके लिए नौकरियो में 27 % कोटा निर्धारित कर रखा हैं |
सरकारी नौकरियो की परीक्षाओ में जो आवेदक (obc या st ) मेरिट में आता हैं उसको जर्नल कोटे के तहत गिना जाता हैं | यानि के हमारा कोटा इससे 50 % से भी कम रह जाता हैं |
अब अगर जाटों को obc कोटा मिला जाये हमारा कोटा हुआ 27 % | हमारे जो बच्चे मेरिट में आएंगे उनकी गिनती 50 % के तहत की जाएगी यानी के हमारा कोटा इससे 50 % +27 % = 77 % | अब हम जहा 50 % नौकरियो में अपना सर फोड़ रहे हैं वही कोटा मिलने से 77 % नौकरिया हासिल करने के हक़दार हो जायेंगे |
हम आरक्षण को खत्म तो नहीं करा सकते पर इस आरक्षण रूपी चक्रव्यूह में घुस कर फायदा तो उठा सकते हैं जैसे अहीर व अन्य जाति के लोग उठा रहे हैं | और रही बात जाति परिवर्तन की तो इससे कोई जाती छोटी बड़ी नहीं हो रही | इस आरक्षण में बात रोजगार की हैं न के जाति परिवर्तन की | कुछ लोग खामखा अपनी कौम के लोगो को गुमराह कर रहे हैं इन ब्राह्मणों की बातों में आकर | ब्राह्मणों को पहले ही जाटों से जलन हैं उन्हें पता हैं अगर ये जाट obc में चले गए तो हर जगह इनका कब्ज़ा हो जायेगा इसलिए वो लोग हमारे भाइयो के दिमाग में यह बात बैठा देते हैं की तुम छोटे हो जाओगे | भाइयों ये ब्राह्मण तो हमें पहले ही शुद्र मानते हैं इनकी बातो को छोडो और समय की नजाकत को समझने की कोशिश करो |

 

[ravinderjeet]

बहुत अछे विचार हैं आपके सुकर्मपाल जी.... हमें आप पर गर्व है....

anil sangwaan ji saayad hawaa singh saangwaan aapkey pitaaji hein.(agar naa ho to buraa mat maananaa bhai yo meraa andaaz hey.) manney unki likhi hui kitaab asli lootery kon? padhee hey aur riservation ko chhod mein unkey oothaaye huey sabhi muddon se puri terah sahmat hoon .ek baar to mujhey lag rahaa thaa ki saari baatein merey deemaag ki nikaal key usmey chhaap di.

 

[rajkphogat]

एक भाई ने कहा के हमे अच्छी शिक्षा अच्छे स्कूल की जरुरत हैं | भाई आपने बिलकुल सही फ़रमाया , आपकी बात गौरतलब हैं | अच्छी शिक्षा भाइयो के दिमाग में यह बात बैठा देते हैं की तुम छोटे हो जाओगे | भाइयों ये ब्राह्मण तो हमें पहले ही शुद्र मानते हैं इनकी बातो को छोडो और समय की नजाकत को समझने की कोशिश करो |

Good one bhai


Ya teri baat samaj me aayi

Par ek baat manne bhi bata kya aarakshan ke aadhar par aaye hue log utne hi qualied /inteligent hongey jitney merit ke bachhe.
If yes, then they really dont need kota system
If no, to kya ek jati ke liye desh ki services me nalayak ghusana thik hai.

bhai hum aaj kuch bhi kahen desh ko chala to gvot. hi rahi hai incl PSU's pvt companies to sirf apna munafa dekhti hain na ki social resposibility.

 

[vikasphougat]

anil sangwaan ji saayad hawaa singh saangwaan aapkey pitaaji hein.(agar naa ho to buraa mat maananaa bhai yo meraa andaaz hey.) manney unki likhi hui kitaab asli lootery kon? padhee hey aur riservation ko chhod mein unkey oothaaye huey sabhi muddon se puri terah sahmat hoon .ek baar to mujhey lag rahaa thaa ki saari baatein merey deemaag ki nikaal key usmey chhaap di.

mene phle bhi khai suna tha ye book achi hai
magr me isko pad nhai paya
kya ye net par khai hai ho to paste link plz

 

[anilsangwan]

anil sangwaan ji saayad hawaa singh saangwaan aapkey pitaaji hein.(agar naa ho to buraa mat maananaa bhai yo meraa andaaz hey.) manney unki likhi hui kitaab asli lootery kon? padhee hey aur riservation ko chhod mein unkey oothaaye huey sabhi muddon se puri terah sahmat hoon .ek baar to mujhey lag rahaa thaa ki saari baatein merey deemaag ki nikaal key usmey chhaap di.

Woh apne Jatlander Rakesh Sangwan ji ke father hain. You have got some confusion. May be because of same surname.

 

[yudhvirmor]

Yahan par log iss arakshan ko jaise mathey ka kalank man kar taunting baat karne se nahi chookte. Koe kaheta hai ki humne tash khelna chod diya .... to mein un bhai saab se ye poochna chahta hun ki ...us ladke ke sath kya wo aaj bhi tash khelte hein jiska byah isliye nahi hua ki byont nahi hai, maukri nahi hai .... aur wo orissa se le aya bahu?

Aur aise log jo iss terah ki arakshan ki khilafat kar rahe hein ... mein unka ahwan karta hun ki ... aap log hum se jyada sahi vichar dhara ke log hein ... mein manta hun ... your piont is much more valid logically and ideally .... but NOT PRACTICAL at present scenerio ....

If you still feel that you are stick to your view point ... I appreciate ... but this appreciation is not merely for your typed words here ... it will be for Jat like actions.

Jat has never tolerated wrong rules forced on them in past ... they are brave ... they are Chattris ... you too have all those qualities not mentioned by me by which you are stronger in all sense than others living on this piece of land .....

COME ON SUPER JATS ..... ORGANISE SOME RALLY AGAINST RESERVATION ..... PEACEFULL PROTESTS .... ITS FOR NOBLE CAUSE ....

Now please dont say we are doing community service by other means and dont have time to do all this crap ... for those of this situation ... I understand their position ... I am more sympathetic towards you ... But please atleast keep quite for other who are doing something in this regard.

I still meet those old friends who are unmarried and unemployed when I visit my village..I strongly believe that any wrongdoing needs to be criticized and in my opinion there is no leniency for any person who buy girl to get married.

Reservation is not a solution. All I am trying to say is that we don't need to make our future generations week by putting them in this mindset of reservation. Our future generations will never forgive us if we push ourselves for reservation.

Regarding going and participating in the event, I think I am quite far away so may not be possible for me to participate. I'll glad to participate if you are thinking to organize such even in London.

Community service is personal choice and I think I spend reasonable time for that.

 

[daivischahal]

इस आरक्षण में बात रोजगार की हैं न के जाति परिवर्तन की | कुछ लोग खामखा अपनी कौम के लोगो को गुमराह कर रहे हैं इन ब्राह्मणों की बातों में आकर | ब्राह्मणों को पहले ही जाटों से जलन हैं उन्हें पता हैं अगर ये जाट obc में चले गए तो हर जगह इनका कब्ज़ा हो जायेगा इसलिए वो लोग हमारे भाइयो के दिमाग में यह बात बैठा देते हैं की तुम छोटे हो जाओगे | भाइयों ये ब्राह्मण तो हमें पहले ही शुद्र मानते हैं इनकी बातो को छोडो और समय की नजाकत को समझने की कोशिश करो |

arvind ji mujhe lagta hai ki aap hame gumraah kar rahe hai........
OBC---- OTHER BACKWARD CASTES--------
is sentence me mujhe to kahi ROJGAR word dikhayi nahi deta........
yahaan saaf-saaf likha hai ki jon CASTE BACKWARD HAI.......

agar yahi term OBP------OTHER BACKWARD PEOPLE----- hoti tab hum bhi aapka saath dete.......yani reservation caste ke base par nahi, balki ek admi ke ecnomic background ke base par hona chahiye.........

chalo maan lo reservation mil gaya........to kya is reservation se un jaaton ko bhi job milegi jo apne bachho ko basic education bhi nahi de pate.......because of their economical conditions.........

ye chamar to kade te SC CATEGORY MA AVA HAI.......fir bhi aaj har village me utne hi chamar hai ar unki economic condition aaj bhi wahi hai.......unka koi uthan na hoya.........because reservation based on caste cannot do anything good for any caste........

ar bhai ye baat mujhe kisi BRAHMAN NE na sikhayi.........haan tham jo bol rahe ho wo sab un LEADERS ke muh te likadi hoyi baat hai........

 

[yudhvirmor]

kise n sahi hi kahi h jat dusre jat n dekh ke khush konya hove

bhai tane t naukri thya rahi h ..ar tu t videsh m balkan ke tel /shampoo banave h ..ar ade bhuke mardeee ..kasiii tha rakhi h ..
General cateogary m num padta nahi mahra eb bata hum ke karan ..koye jugad /tugad karke ya ....reservation mil jave t bhai .......50 ke 85 % chance hoja s ......ar isme jo manee bera h aaj tak .....kisi k kime bhi na sedhta ......rajasthan ke jatan n tham kista ak backward class kar ke bolo soo




ar backward t itna hi jee jale s t .......unnne kyun badan dyo so ade jatland ..p



naukri diva t ......tagaje t ....

Improve your skill level and start working in pvt sector ASAP.. Otherwise you won't be able to find the land to use your KASSI.

Majority of us on this site have very strong rural connections, we all went through this and found our ways..
FYI.. J&J is almost double the size of Reliance..

You think reservation will guarantee you job? we are around 23% in Haryana, If they'll give us say 16% reservation, what will happened to rest 7 %.
Come out of this mindset of govt job.. everything is going to privatized slowly and painfully.

 

[rajkphogat]

Improve your skill level and start working in pvt sector ASAP.. Otherwise you won't be able to find the land to use your KASSI.

Majority of us on this site have very strong rural connections, we all went through this and found our ways..
FYI.. J&J is almost double the size of Reliance..

You think reservation will guarantee you job? we are around 23% in Haryana, If they'll give us say 16% reservation, what will happened to rest 7 %.
Come out of this mindset of govt job.. everything is going to privatized slowly and painfully.

Bhai teri sarkari naukri lagi t kisey ki b na lagan de k,

Er pvttization ka kamaal te pachley saal slowdown me sabne dekhya e se, badey-2 bank doob gey major indstries become bankcrupt but this doesnt happen in india otyher then in those sectors in which we depend on foreign countries think abut the reason of that dear.

 

[yudhvirmor]

Bhai teri sarkari naukri lagi t kisey ki b na lagan de k,

Er pvttization ka kamaal te pachley saal slowdown me sabne dekhya e se, badey-2 bank doob gey major indstries become bankcrupt but this doesnt happen in india otyher then in those sectors in which we depend on foreign countries think abut the reason of that dear.

I rest my case.. Please go for reservation. I can see some future HCS/IAS on the jatland under OBC category.

 

[rajkphogat]

I rest my case.. Please go for reservation. I can see some future HCS/IAS on the jatland under OBC category.

r nahi bahi tu fer galat samjya OBC kote ke t mai b paksh me nahi su kota to sara e khatam karo sirf Phy handicapp chhod ki yo e te desh ne khan lagrya se
er rahi HCS IAS ki baat IS khatar jattan ne kote ki jarut koni.:rock:rock:rock

 

[daivischahal]

I rest my case.. Please go for reservation. I can see some future HCS/IAS on the jatland under OBC category.

bhai yudhvir itni jaldi haar maan li...........yaar ibi to bahut dur tak jana hai.......tere jise bhaiyan ka sath to bahut jaruri hai...........

 

[yudhvirmor]

bhai yudhvir itni jaldi haar maan li...........yaar ibi to bahut dur tak jana hai.......tere jise bhaiyan ka sath to bahut jaruri hai...........

I gave up because people were in a impression that I am arguing on the basis of what I am doing in life.. Couple of posts were targeting an individual.

 

[sukar]

Certainly Brother,

This struggle is for all Jats and every Jat who knows implication of this issue will support this movement .

People had come from far places like Chandigarh ,Himachal pardesh and Jammu Kashmir to participate in that rally .Group of People seen in front position (in photo link )came from Dhanana villlage of Haryana . Where Brigadier Sandhu and Col Bath along with members of Jatt Sikh federation(shown in the photo) came all the way from Chandigarh ,Sh Manjeet Dogra (ex MLA )came from Himachal via plane to participate in this Rally .Mr Rajbir Phogat(son of EX Cm Hukam Singh)from Dadari and professor Chatterpal came from Hansi .Ex Chief Justice Devi Singh Tewatia participated despite his ill health and tight schedule in Gurgaon.

All these learned people like Ex Chief Justice DS Tewatia ,Ex DGP Sh Pilania Principal Ompal and others explained Why Jats need equal footing in their struggle to means of opportunity or say reservation when similarly placed other section are enjoying this .All of them stressed this struggle must be carried on for the sake of our future generations.

Sh Yashpal Malik is an excellent coordinator and must be congratulated for his efforts .


Ps Some Politician tried their best to sabotage this rally by organising a Rally for Hrit Pardesh on the same day but their attempts in this regard were largely unsuccessful .

2werrrrr1


DOGRE TEWATYE PILANIA ...ye saare non-haryana se hain...

Koye UP ka..koye HP...koye Rajasthani..

Inn sabb states main Reservation of Jats is already there

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[piush_tomar]

As I mentioned earlier here is very clear statistics, Since 1984 no single JAT became IAS or IPS in UP. When we got OBC reservation at state level in UP over 60% seats in all state level post under OBC have been filled by Jats only. Over thousands or Lakh job come every year in central government jobs. Just imagine How many jats would have been selected if we would have obc reservation at center since 1990(mandal commission implemented). Almost 20 years have been passed. Just imagine how much we lost.
Under OBC our children will also get admission in central government institutions like IIT and IIM and you wont believe there are over 50% seats still vacant because they are not being filled by other OBC caste, but we know when Jats will have this opportunity they will filled it very easily and in coming time it will help our community as a whole.
We need reservation for Just 25 years so that our coming generation will not need it as they will get proper education and other facility from their well established parents and grandparents.
Today we have over 22 Jat MP in parliament from different parties they don’t raise this issue in parliament because they know if we as a Jat community will be well established than how their “Netagiri” will be sustained ..they know if our community will remain weak and poor they will get support in every election.
“Jat Arakshan sangarsh samiti” in Uttar Pradesh is a non political organization and fighting for this social cause under Mr. Yashpal Malik. You wont believe non of the Jat leader from any party not supporting it because they want this community remain poor and I am dead sure when we will get reservation these “Political Dalal” will be at front to get the advantage.
So for prosperous future of Jat community fight against it. Either remove all reservation from our constitution or give us reservation under OBC.