Aarakshan ko dilli gherenge Jat

[samarkadian]

Bhai, yo caste system sari duniya mein hi hai. Christians mein Cotholic aur Protestants mein joota baaje hai, Musalmaano mein Shiya, Sunni, Pathan aapas mein shreshthta ki jang lade hai. USA jaise desh mein bhi habshiya gaila gore aadmiya ka joot bajya rah hai. China mein bhi maamla kuchh jyada alag na hai.
Bhai, rahi baat jato ke no. 1 hone ki to sun le baat. Jato mein Satpal, Sushil jaise pehlwan, Dara Singh jaise balshali, Sehwag jaise batsman, K. P. Singh jaise businessman (World's no. 1 Real Estate Developer some time back and 8th in Forbes' Billionaires' list), Ch. Charan Singh, Devi Lal jaise neta, Haryana, West U. P., Punjab jaise upjaao illake, Dharmender, Sunny jaise kalakaar to hai hi, saath hi bahadur hum (jat regiment aur shandaar itihaas), pahalwan hum, sundar-healthy hum, kissan hum, ameer hum (Haryana No. 1 in Per Capita Income after Delhi and Goa (both cities, not state) and in having most rural carorepatis), Bhai jab tak koi aur caste itni khubio wali nahi dikhti, ham bilkul no. 1 hai. Haqeekat baat to ya hai ki Shri Krishna Ji bhi jato mein hi paida hue the. Shivji ko to sab jaante hi hai.

Lakda sahab, too much self-flattery leads one to abyss and it portrays insecurity more than superiority.

 

[piush_tomar]

bhai yahi difference hai JAAT ar GUJJAR MA...........
jo rajasthan ma gujjar ki jagah jaat hote to MEENA'S ki himat na padati kisi ka hath laane ki.......
CH. TIKAIT SINGH KA EXAMPLE APNE KHUD DE DIYA HAI.....

ar bhai iska reason nu na hai ki JAAt physically CHOODE-CHAMAR te strong hai........but wo log MENTALLY DARAA HAI JAATON TE......ya yun kah le jaatan ne apne te bada lava hai CHOODE-CHAMAR........
par bhai OBC ma aane te wo humna apne jaisa sajhan laag ja ge........ar bhai fer jarur pitya karenge jaata ne........

ar bhai bina reservation bhi ghane jaat hai saari PARA-MILITARY FORECS.....JAAT BATALIYAN to sunya hi hoga bhai tane......

Jato aur gujjaro mein yo difference isiliye hai ki Rajasthan mein reservation ke kaaran bhaari sankhya mein sarkaari naukariyon mein jat hai. Gujjaro ne isiliye to pradarshan kiya tha ki jat jyada naukari le ja rahe hai. Jato ko OBC ka darja koi kal-parson se nahi mila hua hai, balki kai saal se mila hua hai. Baat maani ki ghane jat hai para-military forces mein, lekin bhavishya ko aur surakshit karne mein kya dikkat hai.
Sher agar bahaduri ke sath-sath lomdi jaisi chalaaki bhi apna le to fir wo uss sher se behtar hoga, jo kewal bahadur hai.
OBC ya ST etc. mein aane ke karan Jato ko choode-chamaaro jaisa nahi, balki kafi asardar aur chalaak mana ja raha hai. Yahi karan hai ki Thakur aur Bahman vagarah bhi reservation lene ke chakkar mein hai, lekin kyonki ye ekjut nahi hai, na hi inka kahi jyada jor hai, isliye shayad inke baski baat na hai. Jato ko to reservation BJP ki sarkar ne kai saal pahle isliye diya tha, kyonki Jato ne BJP ke danda kiya tha ki aarakshan dena padega.

Bhai Upender,

Kinsey mattha mar rahe ho.. yeh na samje innohney to khilafat hi karni hmari

 

[daivischahal]

Jato aur gujjaro mein yo difference isiliye hai ki Rajasthan mein reservation ke kaaran bhaari sankhya mein sarkaari naukariyon mein jat hai. Gujjaro ne isiliye to pradarshan kiya tha ki jat jyada naukari le ja rahe hai. Jato ko OBC ka darja koi kal-parson se nahi mila hua hai, balki kai saal se mila hua hai. Baat maani ki ghane jat hai para-military forces mein, lekin bhavishya ko aur surakshit karne mein kya dikkat hai.

bhai jab jaatan dhora pahlam hi itni job hai to fer kyun rola kar re ho.....
rajasthan ar up ke jaat OBC ma ava hai.........haryana wala ne jarurat ni hai.....

ar bhai koi CIVIL WAR na ladna hai jaata ne paramilitary force ma bharti ho ka......agar kadi ladna bhi padgya to fer nu koi na dekha ki maaran wala police ma bharti ho rya hai ya nahi.......
pachha si GOHANA ma CHOODYA ka naas tha diya tha jaatan ne........ar kuch na bolya......

Sher agar bahaduri ke sath-sath lomdi jaisi chalaaki bhi apna le to fir wo uss sher se behtar hoga, jo kewal bahadur hai.

bhai fer wo SHER NA RAHA.....HYBRID-SHER BAN JA GA......
ar bhai izzat bas asli ki hova hai......
ek example........
CHINA MOBILE :-HAR FACILITY UPLABADH.....SABSE SASTE......FER BHI LOG NOKIA KA BASE MODEL LENA PASAND KARA HAI.......INSTEAD OF CHINA MOBILE........

 

[yudhvirmor]

Let’s talk statistically and stop beating the bush.

Take the data from Jatalnd and please find out how many users are from UP, Haryana and Rajasthan. All these 3 states have almost same number of jat population (may be +/- 10%) and see how many users are from each state. No. of users on jatalnd directly reflects the education level of that state.

It’s my conclusion that Haryana has maximum users and we don't have RESERVATION.

I request mods if they can give me raw data on flat file and I can do the data massaging and come with facts..

 

[daivischahal]

Bhai Upender,

Kinsey mattha mar rahe ho.. yeh na samje innohney to khilafat hi karni hmari

hum khilaafat karenge Tomar saab.......because we are the victim of this bloody reservation........we feel the pain.......and we love our our jaat pride and prestige........
we are not selfish......if somebody is better than us then he deserve that job in every field........
hum apni mehnat par vishvas rakhate hai.......bhikh nahi mangte......
hum apne desh ke baare me sochate hai......hum un logo me se nahi hai jo bina kuch kare IAS officer ban-ne ke sapne dekhte.......wo bhi bhole- bhale logon ko bhaka-kar.....sirf apne swarth ke liye......hum dusaron ke kandho par rakh kar banduk nahi chalate.........apne kandho par hume poora bharosa hai.........
so Mr.Tomar.......Be a true Jaat........

 

[daivischahal]

Poll option

Tomar saab please do me a favour.....
add a polling option too.......with following options
1.People who think that jaat donot need reservation
2.the other one......

please........

 

[kapdal]

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[khatkar]

My Elders / brothers favoring for jats reservation can afford answer to below 2 question to make the debate fruitful:-

1.You are asking reservation for jats those are socio-economic backward.What are the root cause that they left behind in the race of progress or say to forwardness ??.

2. Is solely reservation agency to uplift the community??.

 

[raka]

hum khilaafat karenge Tomar saab.......because we are the victim of this bloody reservation........we feel the pain.......and we love our our jaat pride and prestige........
we are not selfish......if somebody is better than us then he deserve that job in every field........
hum apni mehnat par vishvas rakhate hai.......bhikh nahi mangte......
hum apne desh ke baare me sochate hai......hum un logo me se nahi hai jo bina kuch kare IAS officer ban-ne ke sapne dekhte.......wo bhi bhole- bhale logon ko bhaka-kar.....sirf apne swarth ke liye......hum dusaron ke kandho par rakh kar banduk nahi chalate.........apne kandho par hume poora bharosa hai.........
so Mr.Tomar.......Be a true Jaat........

kyuuuuu bhooooj mare s is pride k ....kadhe gaaam m kisseee brahman ya baniye k saath ek hi chilam pi s ....kadhe gaam m haand k dekhiyeee berojgaar kyukar daru nashe albaadyaa m barbaaad ho rahe s .....
jat ka to yohe rolllaaa s isne do tem ka khaana mil jaao nehru paak jaagaaa.....kise n theek kahi s na to yo dhaapyoda aachaaa arr na bukhaaa.....mehnat waha dekhi jaati hain jahaa sab muqable me ho ...... maahre mehnat ka chasmaaa chadaaa diyaaa arr khud malaaiiiii khaaa s , iss chasme na taar dyo kimme na dhryaaaa isme

 

[sukar]

kyuuuuu bhooooj mare s is pride k ....kadhe gaaam m kisseee brahman ya baniye k saath ek hi chilam pi s ....kadhe gaam m haand k dekhiyeee berojgaar kyukar daru nashe albaadyaa m barbaaad ho rahe s .....
jat ka to yohe rolllaaa s isne do tem ka khaana mil jaao nehru paak jaagaaa.....kise n theek kahi s na to yo dhaapyoda aachaaa arr na bukhaaa.....mehnat waha dekhi jaati hain jahaa sab muqable me ho ...... maahre mehnat ka chasmaaa chadaaa diyaaa arr khud malaaiiiii khaaa s , iss chasme na taar dyo kimme na dhryaaaa isme

Yaar CM 25-30 saal aala hona chahiye..yade bujurga ke comments pad ke mera isa je kra.

There is a seen gap of generation very wide & apparent.

 

[rahulsingh2212]

Not see only one part of this reservation for Jobs.

One of my known who has 53% in PG and he wants to clear NET.But for it minimum qualification marks is 55%.For reservation catagery it is only 50%.If JAT are in OBC then he can get chance for it.

If we do not have enough money to live a good life.Who will respect you ? even relative do not respect, leave others.

Garibi main koi izzat karta hai kaya chahe aap kisi bhi cast ke ho.

Now days world do not see on cast.It sees your education and your standard.

 

[fateh]

Respected Sir,

Let me put aside the Jat pride and analyse the reservation. After 60 years
of reservation for dalits and other castes in SC/ST quota, I have not seen any phenomenal change in their social, political, financial conditions. Almost 90% of chamars, dhanaks and other castes are living the life in same condition as they were living 60 years ago. It’s really puzzling to figure out why they were not able to get benefits of reservation.
Let’s talk about Christians, they don't have any reservation and I agree that they have strong financial backing for churches and missionaries, they setup better education centres for them. Christians are excelling like anything in this country. They are doing very best everywhere.

I strongly believe that if someone doesn't read history they often contempt the history. We really need to see all repercussions of reservation and other socio-economic factors before demand something as its an irreversible process.

Dear Yudhvir, though, I am not in favour of reservation to anybody, but still for your information few lines on your posting. please excuse me for not agreeing to your point because these are few km away from ground reality. Brother, please see on ground & ask those people who are about 80 years old or more about the state of dalits 60 years back & now economically, socially & politically. Also dear you are not clear about the state of christians. those who got total help, protection & all kind of benifits from british rule in India are ok, rest are same as any other community of their level in all respect. Daer sir, I did my fist post graduation in hitory & beliee me it was my liked subject, also I happen to serve in almost all the states or atlist all parts of the nation & seen personally the conditions of various classes.for example see rajputs & pandits of Pithoragarh area, you will really surprise to note that they are worst than any dalit. Dear, earlier, dalits used to prefer jats in comperision to yadav/malies/gujjars but today dalits consider these communities more closer to them than jats because they are also getting reseration .Fronkly speaking jats have been singled out politically today & even socially also.
I fully agree with you about the danger of our new generation getting wrong message of reservation which may demotivate them & they stop working hard. But dear, due to good education & need we have left behind the bad effect/oerconfidance of land, similarly our young people will not stop working due to reseration. Also I must tell you reseration is not at all substitute of education & hardwork. We donnot advocate to totally depend on reservation or reseration will do wonders but dear certainly there is a great advantage. Why cannot we ask our brothers from Rajesthan the effect of reservation on jats there. As for as the state of education in Har, Raj & UP is concern, UP is far ahead. Any way these are individual views any body can differ but trueth is that there is no disadvantage of reseration. regards

 

[fateh]

My Elders / brothers favoring for jats reservation can afford answer to below 2 question to make the debate fruitful:-

1.You are asking reservation for jats those are socio-economic backward.What are the root cause that they left behind in the race of progress or say to forwardness ??.

2. Is solely reservation agency to uplift the community??.

Please read my post above plus
1 Lack of education & unity.
2 No

 

[yudhvirmor]

Dear Yudhvir, though, I am not in favour of reservation to anybody, but still for your information few lines on your posting. please excuse me for not agreeing to your point because these are few km away from ground reality. Brother, please see on ground & ask those people who are about 80 years old or more about the state of dalits 60 years back & now economically, socially & politically. Also dear you are not clear about the state of christians. those who got total help, protection & all kind of benifits from british rule in India are ok, rest are same as any other community of their level in all respect. Daer sir, I did my fist post graduation in hitory & beliee me it was my liked subject, also I happen to serve in almost all the states or atlist all parts of the nation & seen personally the conditions of various classes.for example see rajputs & pandits of Pithoragarh area, you will really surprise to note that they are worst than any dalit. Dear, earlier, dalits used to prefer jats in comperision to yadav/malies/gujjars but today dalits consider these communities more closer to them than jats because they are also getting reseration .Fronkly speaking jats have been singled out politically today & even socially also.
I fully agree with you about the danger of our new generation getting wrong message of reservation which may demotivate them & they stop working hard. But dear, due to good education & need we have left behind the bad effect/oerconfidance of land, similarly our young people will not stop working due to reseration. Also I must tell you reseration is not at all substitute of education & hardwork. We donnot advocate to totally depend on reservation or reseration will do wonders but dear certainly there is a great advantage. Why cannot we ask our brothers from Rajesthan the effect of reservation on jats there. As for as the state of education in Har, Raj & UP is concern, UP is far ahead. Any way these are individual views any body can differ but trueth is that there is no disadvantage of reseration. regards

I agree with you sir.. I understand that you have seen much more and that helped you to draw the conculsion. I belive social upliftment is a process which is benefitting everybody. Jats don't have resevation but we also grew up with time. As you said 60 years ago dalits were in really bad shape, so were the jats and other castes.
If country's economny or GDP is growing then I am sure popultion is going to get benefits but may be because of my lack of understanding, I am not able to corrleate the growth of country, community, caste or indivdual to reservation.
I am not able to see any conculsive proof. It may be because of nature of my job that I don't trust without seeing things on spread sheet.

Only thing I am debating here is that We need to understand this reservation and we need to decide where we need reservation, There is no harm to keep the centre govt on toes and bargain the reservation with some world class infrastucture projects in jat dominating areas or top class education institues in same areas... To me it doesn't make sense to settle with 16% in haryan where we know that our population is almost 25% of total population.

 

[sukar]

Why Villages are backward:

No Science subjects in 11th & 12th standard...why?
Why emphasis on hindi medium in higher classes?

After 10th people choose to do diploma in enginering
which is a label of lower class! in itself.

What is done for girls education ?

Why there is no RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL run by state ?
esp for girls!! girls of remote villages!!

Why fees is so high...2.5 -3 lakh! for an engineering degree!

still more to write....next post

 

[annch]

Yudhvir,
Let me try to simplify the pro-reservation stand that implies-
Jats are backward economically. They are rapidly degrading in social values, levels of education, etcetera etecetera. So, Jats are backward already.
Reservation would just formalise/legalise that status that jats already have in the society. Atleast some of the "forward" backward jats will get some benefits.

I agree with you sir.. I understand that you have seen much more and that helped you to draw the conculsion. I belive social upliftment is a process which is benefitting everybody. Jats don't have resevation but we also grew up with time. As you said 60 years ago dalits were in really bad shape, so were the jats and other castes.
If country's economny or GDP is growing then I am sure popultion is going to get benefits but may be because of my lack of understanding, I am not able to corrleate the growth of country, community, caste or indivdual to reservation.
I am not able to see any conculsive proof. It may be because of nature of my job that I don't trust without seeing things on spread sheet.

Only thing I am debating here is that We need to understand this reservation and we need to decide where we need reservation, There is no harm to keep the centre govt on toes and bargain the reservation with some world class infrastucture projects in jat dominating areas or top class education institues in same areas... To me it doesn't make sense to settle with 16% in haryan where we know that our population is almost 25% of total population.

 

[yudhvirmor]

Yudhvir,
Let me try to simplify the pro-reservation stand that implies-
Jats are already backward economically. They are rapidly degrading in social values, levels of education, etcetera etecetera. Jats are backward already.
Reservation would just formalise/legalise that status that jats already have in the society. Atleast some of the "forward" backward jats will get some benefits.

Yes, this is the whole point.. Some of them want to take benefits.

 

[kapdal]

Yudhvir,
Let me try to simplify the pro-reservation stand that implies-
Jats are already backward economically. They are rapidly degrading in social values, levels of education, etcetera etecetera. Jats are backward already.
Reservation would just formalise/legalise that status that jats already have in the society. Atleast some of the "forward" backward jats will get some benefits.

How dare you point this out!!?? These "leaders" and "visionaries" are working for the benefit of the community (so what if the benefit is to someone who didn't need it in the first place, atleast he is a jat) and you "intellectuals" are just trying to oppose it on rational grounds. As advised, Jats should stop every other proven method of development like education, infrastructure and trade (of goods and ideas); and jump into a revolution to get reservations. That's the holy grail and once it is attained, everything will fall in place magically. Magically is the key word. Have faith, rest would follow.

 

[akshaymalik84]

Yudhvir,
Let me try to simplify the pro-reservation stand that implies-
Jats are backward economically. They are rapidly degrading in social values, levels of education, etcetera etecetera. So, Jats are backward already.
Reservation would just formalise/legalise that status that jats already have in the society. Atleast some of the "forward" backward jats will get some benefits.

Yes, this is the whole point.. Some of them want to take benefits.

Yeah....actual benefit will go to only few people, if reservation is so necessary then first recognise and take out creamy layer from it.

CAN WE DO THAT?

 

[annch]

Akshay, there was another thread on reservation where a few of us raised similar questions............
And then there was another thread before that thread..............and another one....

Jissne kuch karna hai, woh bina reservation ke bhi kar lega....arr jissne kuch nahin karna, woh reservation ke baad bhi kuch nahin kare..

Yeah....actual benefit will go to only few people, if reservation is so necessary then first recognise and take out creamy layer from it.

CAN WE DO THAT?