A Suggestion to Members

evolution at JATland takes it time. my suggestion to young members is to take their own time to evolve. JATland is like a darwinian petri-dish... a classic example of the survival of the fittest. it took million years for homo-sapien to come to its present stage... so is true with all those senior members, they all stood the test of time.

those who cannot evolve are like cowards and can see their way out. sounds harsh... but that's the dictum of JATland.
 
Ravi ji, please specify your rules to Young Jats. That can make it easy for young fellows " how to write without hurting anyone". Sorry to say but older ones are not helping either. Or another option is to leave Jl as Vivek Bhartiyee ji did.

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Let us try and get a grasp of what we are trying to do here.

This is open to input, so I will just start by putting down my views.

I would like to see this site, this group, be a platform for the Jat community. A platform where they can associate, discuss their culture.

I think it is not so much as rules that are needed , but structures.

Rules are pretty dead things , but structures evolve to meet changing conditions. That is something that can be taken for granted, and as a constant- change is constant . They changed from my grandfather’s time to mine, and they will change for my children. My grandchildren will face different conditions in their time.

As members of a group grow older they will and must be replaced by younger members. The same applies to leadership- as leadership grows older it is replaced by younger leaders.

What one like to see develop here, is that the platform evolves and it flexible enough to evolve with the times.

The purpose of the platform is communication.

Developing communication with others , generally is more successful if it is conducted in a pleasant manner.

Hurling insults, using abusive language , generally does not make a lot of friends. People tend to be put off.

Hence I use the term good manners.

If our members, young and old, use good manners in their communications with each other, then we will have a more successful platform and group.


What I would like to see is more participation by the silent majority- some 15,000 strong. Some how I think if the atmosphere is welcoming and positive, people will participate and if not they will not.

It is important to participate. For one it gets your communication skills developed. It enable you to improve your public interaction. It improves your leadership skills.

Right now, and this is for our younger members who do not post as yet- do so, the first few posts will get rid of the posting( stage) fright, that everyone feels when they post or speak in public for the first time.

Your views are important, but if you do not speak up no one will know, what you had to contribute, and we will be poorer for it.

Let us try and expand on good manners-

- Do not use language you would not use with your parents or your sisters.

- Do not use four- letter words.

- Sarcasm is hurtful. Try and avoid it.

- Do not be ‘cute’, it shows through and one cannot get away with it.

- Remember that whatever you write on the internet is permanent. There is always a record. It will be there long after you are dead and gone. If you write something nasty, remember it may come back to haunt you . Your boss may just be googling your name to see what comes up. If it is found you are using abusive language, or putting forth extremist views, your days will be numbered. Increasingly employers are seeing what people are putting on the net.

It would be a shame for you miss that promotion , due to some indiscretionary post you did when you were in college or just starting off your career.

Do not be afraid to make an honest mistake. No one is here to censure you or laugh at you.


I hope this helps. Input from other younger members will be most welcome.

There is lots to do.

It is your future, your moment , please hurry up and seize it.



Ravi Chaudhary
 
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It is important to participate. For one it gets your communication skills developed. It enable you to improve your public interaction. It improves your leadership skills.
this is correct !

but before you decide on anything, prepare your mind with an answer... what is your purpose to come at JATland?

is it worth your time and energy ?

how much time you can devote for JAT community and for your fellow brethren, who can gain from your experience ?

are you really gaining something from here, be it ettiquettes, manners, writing skills, good thoughts, knowledge or whatever...

my english writing skills को जंग लगने लगा था, JATland provided a perfect platform to sharpen my skills... nd i also learnt जाटू. i also got in touch with some great samatitans and enlightened souls and shook hands with many extra ordinary friends, which will remain an asset for my life.
 
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Let us try and expand on good manners-

- Do not use language you would not use with your parents or your sisters.

- Do not use four- letter words.

- Sarcasm is hurtful. Try and avoid it.

- Do not be ‘cute’, it shows through and one cannot get away with it.
ravi ji,

tell me one thing... i have been shouting, on top of my lungs on some suggestions ? do they sound hoarse to mods ? if that is the case, then what is the purpose of participation?

all your above big write-up go in vain, if that is the case. or is it the other way round... "its my way or no way"... members are just morons... we want them to be here to do their bakar bakar. i am sorry sir, but, you are yourself defying your own logic.

ok, give me one good reason as to why this thread cannot be merged here... nd i'll keep my mouth shut.
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suggestion - III

if it is appropriate, can we merge this thread here >>> http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?28170-Civilized-discussion-guidelines-at-JATland-!!!
 
In post # 46 of this thread, Mr Vaidwan had used the term “Kutte bhonkthe rahega, gadhichalti rajegi”. This is a well known proverb. Not a product of my mind. It may be provocative but dear sir how can you forget to mention the response of this "do stoping barking like the dog of baghpat". All the people of baghpat are dogs or what? You deleted this as well from Mr. Tomar post:confused:.. You are showing only one side of the story.

Unfortunately the comment was edited out by me, and cannot be brought back, to allow members to read it ( the original) and judge for themselves.

This provoked Mr Tomar to respond in kind.

From my, the moderator’s POV, Mr Vaidwan’s comment was provocative, unnecessary, and uncalled for. From my point of view, you provoked me when you suddenly jump in the conversation between me and Mr. Tomar and be judgemental about the "petty jealousies". I still ask how the jealousy comes in the picture? Don't you see the jealousy in chaudhary charan singh and family bashing!!

What is gong to get a member banned , is not whether he/she is for, or against an issue.

What will get them banned in intemperate, provocative and insulting language against other members.

That will only be following the guidance rules laid down in the members agreement , which all agree to when they join this site

See : http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?21490-Member-Agreement-PLEASE-READ

From my POV, extreme views are allowed, criticism of public figures, their views, their policies, their achievements or lack of them are allowed. I know that and still remember the thread started by you questioning the achievements of chaudhary charan singh. But can you please clarify how the petty jealousies" come in picture when I write a one line statement for Mr. yashpal mailk? Criticisation of chaudhary sahab is fair but a line for Mr. Yashapl mailk is jealousy....how??

Here is my take for this: You questioned the chaudhary charan singh achievement so if someone else also does it criticisation is OK but you stands for Mr. yashpal malik so criticisation of him is "jealousy"
How funny??;) You and me are are just "petty human beings" so you also are not also beyond from the basic human traits like anger, hate, jealousy like me. I undertsand that so just chill:rock:rock

Readers should have their views and express them. That is what we want. A forum where such views are expressed, and which ( forum) can act like a think tank for the Jat community.

The question arises in what manner should you express these views - if they are expressed in a manner calculated to insult the other member and generate heat to derail the thread, the purpose is counter productive . That , in my humble view, should not be allowed or tolerated.

This is a member site. It is for the members, and it is run by members.

What kind of a site do members wish it to be? As braham bhai sahab said already " same stick for all "
Members may please post their views.


Those who wish to contact me may also do so privately by email , if they do not wish to post their views in public
Ravi Chaudhary

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mr. ravi, i've been intimidated by u earlier..n i've always known u were wrong.. n now i can see you enjoy bullying.
about views.. i want the history section here to contain information from VALID sources.. i said the same in ratia mhaal thread. btw for ur knowledge about 80 years back my gaam had a giant named motia-mhaal.. such was his strength n vigor tht he cud've thrown ratia-mhaal 500m away in the river. im collecting info on him.. soon i'll post a pic of his 600 kgs lattoo.. he cud swirl this enormous lattoo @ 512 rounds per second. its said he was blessed with this lattoo from lord hanuman's pious hands. darshan diye the unhone. i've got 36 villagers over 100 years in age who can testify this. unfortunately motia-mhaal was never honored n with no money for treatment motia-mhaal died of motia-bindh. if stories on mere hearsay can be called history then pls help me make a wiki entry on motia mhaal.

in short, as a member i want this site to be equal for all.. so mr editor, please hold back nepotism.
What kind of a site do members wish it to be?
Members may please post their views.
 
Dear Members,
Once again the thread has been hijacked by personal egos; and self esteem. It was interesting to read the Quote: "Never Argue with Idiots..............", I am unable to figure out as to who is the Idiot here (sometimes I feel that it probably be myself for propogating the same theme of sticking to the topic again and again to the wise members) I don't know whether or not Idiots beat you with their experience; but what I see, that the TOPIC does get beaten again and again.
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What I am trying to get is; let us concentrate on the topic.
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Think before making any loose comments. It is a site where we want to carry out an intellectual discussion on the different subjects. I only hope a good sense prevails; and I am not beaten by people because of their EXPERIENCE.
no sir,

you are not the idiot here... how can you forget about other members on the portal esp. me... (lol) i am the one, please accept my sincere apologies for that.

honestly, i tried my best to reason up... but i failed nd i failed miserably... period !

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i've brought this post from other thread and would like to carry out the discussion here.

col sir, now look here... the onus lies with the curator of the thread to keep it in proper direction nd try his best with timely intervention to bring the subject back on track (>>> if it is a sort of serious discussion)... correct naa ?

tell me do you think this was the case in that thread ?

how serious was the curator about the discussion ?

where is the intellectuality in the discussion ?

did you check, last few lines in his 'op' (opening post)
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Esp. for those who do not beleive in India's Progress..........

A lines for India:

Aaj teri Knowledge ki Dashat America k dil me Hai.............

now tell me, where lies the blame nd who is to blame ???
 
since the title is "suggestion to members"... i would like to bring this post of mine from "internet trolls" thread out here. [post # 36 - Link >>> http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...ar-ol-Jatland!&p=241002&viewfull=1#post241002]
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you got no idea, as to what extent these trolls can go. i've witnessed the most filthiest of language on this portal, that you cant even guess in your wildest of imagination. all these write-ups on this thread is not someone's craftmanship or something out of illusion... it has come from real experience.

also, you've got no idea, to the sort of nuisance and havoc these trolls can create for moderators. we earlier discussed about trolls and now the (lesser harmlful though...) annoying bhaands... making poop jokes to get attention, often getting uglier by making themselves feel less puny by taking a bite out of your ankle.

the worse comes when their arguments start becoming ad hominem (playing the man not the ball)... and that's where the problem comes. it’s human nature to admire authority, but it’s also human nature to resent it. if you stand out and speak with confidence, you become a target.

... nd then there are those, who dont want themselves get beaten by some idiot's experience. but, would cry 'foul' and try to shower wisdom on others and claim to carry the baton for the community. but, have no actions to back up their claim to be the preachers of whats right and >>> whats now ?... these are the one's, when having the opportunity to help someone... they backed-off (sic).

but, will pop up every now and then to give folks their pearls of wisdom. look, there is no one trying to get an upper hand on anyone else. its just an issue of who's being real and who's being a fake on this forum !!!

i dont blame you, for your exuberance towards this community and this portal... a very typical for a new member. so, mr. v.p. singh of sidhanwa (bhiwani) now in kuala lumpur... please control your emotions. dont get judgmental nd calm down, take a deep breath, hold on !... and release it slowly... and i'll follow you for that matter.
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calm down, take a deep breath, hold on !... and release it slowly !
 
The Prakashit has gone Bhramit again! At least he is raged to say the least. I have not followed the whole history here as it is mentioned that some stuff is deleted. Anyways , what I wish to post here is some general thoughts as Ravi and Brahm have tried in parts to flesh out what is the purpose of this site(or for that matter any internet portal). And I speak with a bit of experience , of approx 5 years now.
Internet sites/portals are fascinating to start with. You arre intimidated by the sheer size of things at times e.g. any newbie coming to JL and finding 10k approx Jat members will be excited to say the least. But he is only to be disheartened in some time when he finds 95 % of members being completely inactive there. What that does is to limit the choice and the axiom of choice goes for a toss! No doubt there will be diversity in the members that are there, people might come from different age groups , different places , different academic and professional background. Add to that the motives of people who are active, some are here to kill their time (nothing more!) , some are here to push through their political and career ambitions , some might come for making friends ( girl friends preferred;) ; the arguement is true for the opposite gender), some to keep in touch of what's the latest burning topic and some really do not know why are they here for.
The worse internet portals do is that they give freedom. Freedom without restraint is like unchannelled energy and it is mostly destructive. What if you mess up? what if you abuse a moderator? What if you get banned? --> Answer to all these questions is simple -- make another account , who cares! :)

I will give more example. You start your career by joining a big and reputed firm , you meet people from different departments , different fields and age and preferences (political , social ) but you do not argue unless you have built a strong enough rapport with someone. Infact you dont even talk about it because consciously or unconsciously you recognise that it can harm you in big way , it will not be as simple as you are banned! :) If someone digs up my posts , you might find this "rapport" thing writ large in my earlier posts. That separates the "well natured teasing" from the "rash comments and derogratotry remarks". I have been rude with Brahm (just to quote an example) when I am arguing with him , infact I remember we locked horns big time when discussing reservation issue , but then we have courage to acdept each other's personal opinion and move on. Difference of opinion is not the base for different ways , or is it? I dont agree with my father on certain issues does not mean that I stop respecting him?
In a nutshell it is the classical problem of Rights and Duties , No rights come without duties , no freedom comes without respect for others. Remember your freedom is not unlimited. The axiom of choice only goes as far as when it starts encroaching other people's freedom and choices. Let's have respect for others irrespective of what opinion they have. Remember we already are bound by law to not discriminate on basis of class , color , gender , race, caste etc. How big of a effort would it be to add "choice" in that list? I wrote similar sentiments in one of my posts recently and one of members asked me to be practical. Yes folks , I am being practical! And my simple explanation of this kind of seemingly unpractical thought is this : You CANNOT change anyone else opinion by forcing your's own on him/her. when are you being polite , you at least have a chance (might be as little as 0.1 %). I again reiterate here that expressions/ideas/arguements/discussions are no slaves of words. Passion has got nothing to do with strong words. Whenever you are writing here , make sure you proof-read your posts for any kind of undue hurt that it can do to people. :)

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On the context of the purpose , I am a bit frustrated myself over here. All good things are neglected or dumped within days here. I have time and again put up thoughts and ideas and asked the Mods to take up a lead role (being the undisputed leaders of the portal) but that falls on deaf ears. I kind of understand now that Mods do want to take up a neutral role even on the constructive things which on one hand is disappointing but I respect their choices.
And this one specially for you Brahm , since you are the master at digging out posts , please digg out one of your own in which you asked me to have restraint as Rome was not built in a day! :) I just hope (though I know i am hoping against hope!) that it is being constructed somewhere! :)


Regards, Anil
 
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Poor Twatiya Ji, he has been shut up, ganged upon, and shut out, no wonder he did not bother to return after June.

For mods, by mods, site with tiny registered membership of 1200+.
 
Voice Chat

Dear Admin PPl,

I request u all to give voic chat as optional tool in chaupal along with writing, it will attract both young & old both, when other msgrs have this why can't jatland be. I hope its not difficult to implement, give it a try. Do it asap, shubh kaam me deri kaise.
 
I strongly endorse your suggestions Col. Tavathia but all the members of JL are not so learned that they cann't do any mistake. So mistakes relating to spelling, grammer are not so important as the idea/views behind the theards are important. So our duty is understand their views and made healthy discussions on that views. The learned member of Jl like you assist that type of members by telling them how they can post a healthy thread on Jl and at on forum.

With Regards,
Amit Singh Deswal
 
Hi all,

I think all the valid points made above find great relevance. I owe you all for such kind suggesstions,dos and don'ts.

I think the main point coming out of here is to respect others ans there point of views as well.

We should keep a watch on few people, who by making stupid remaks kills the very essence of threads inturn JL.

This is a platform to grow well,mingle with eahother,get over to the shortcomings.
We sholud exploit it for good. There are many sources like social networking sites there you can do what you wish.

People are jugded bye their wisdom not wealth or how much they can mock others.

Please take it to high priority,change yourself ans do your bit.

I feel proud to be a part of this venture to bring prosperity and harmony among us.

Col sir your work is highly commendable. I look forward for more such posts from which we can learn many things.

Dahiya uncle and all other , your contribution is also highly appreciated.

Last but not the least "Saying alone won't help execution is required"
 
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