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Sir, I also feel you may not have opportunity to see the reality of our community, because you got birth in govt quarter in house of an emplyee of revnue dept where money & respect comes in tons, after schooling or inter college, you went to IMA, BECAME OFFICER,remained away from society and even after retirement, being Brigadier, remained away from main stream of society thus you may really not be knowing about jats of even up. Secondly I donot understand as to why we are afraid of OBC, IF WE ARE GOLD, THAN WE WILL REMAIN GOLD ONLY, NO TAG WILL MAKE US IRON. Ofcourse, if we keep on living on past, background, false eggo & prestise than certainly go down to a lovest place in the society. Thirdly, if jats are so great than why are you so disappointed, your expression itself shows clearly our place. It is good that these are your personal views but sir, your views when comes to public, these matter lot, thus people like you have to be more careful in their expression on such topics. Any way sir, please pardon me for my expression but it is purely within our family & without any malice or disrespect or competition. with warm regards
 
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Or Bade Chaudhry +++
Or bachehuye chamar....
JAT is not BC in UP,HR and Punjab.... bt in Raj+ JAT r really backward class....

Lage raho........
 
For those who think that Jats image will get lowered down with OBC tag please answer this question?

What is Jat image today?

- Among Jats: Does NOT matter as Jats will always proud to be Jats no matter whether they are in OBC or General or ST.
- Among Non Jats: They dont think highly of Jats. If you think otherwise then you are wrong. They just think Jats as rude, illiterate, hot headed, illogical, always ready to pick up fight at slight provocation. They already think us as backward no matter whether we get included in OBC or not.

Here we frown upon use of any unparliamentary language but enter a jat house in village and you will hear a gali dhee***, beti***, behan*** and all sorts of dirty words every minute. They are just part of conversation and so normally used without consideration for daughters, sisters and other females around. In fact you would hear females also indulging in using those profanities laced sentences as much as menfolk. Now you would say what this has to do with OBC? Nothing but definitely has to do something what outside world thinks of us.

Coming back to OBC tag other hindu castes follow brahmin, khsatriya, vaisya and shudra system. We are obviously not Brahmins, and we are also not considered khsatriya too. Whether you like it or not this is the truth. What we come under in Vaisya category based on our occupation which is primarily farming. So, what are we going to lose if we come under OBC? I would say NOTHING. People from other caste do not look highly of us and they would not downgrade our rating further once we are included in OBC.

Also these categories OBC, General, SC and ST are all govt created. Do you think if govt thinks tomorrow that dhobis are now well to do and should not be provided the benefit of SC and they move them to General, are others going to treat them equal to other castes included in General?

The untouchability is not based on what govt categorize a caste into but is based on ancient beliefs which has nothing to do with what govt labels a particular caste into. See the Gurjars? Some here said that Gurjars and Jats share their origins and they are almost same but still Gurjars are fighting for ST tag; why?
 
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Third World countries are now called Developing countries.
How about Other Developing Castes - ODC.
Such phrasing is used in America all the time to cover up negativity - I call it reality.
So how about using same euphemistic, manufactured language - we as humans like to be deluded after all.

Car dealerships donot sell used cars - they sell pre-owned cars, some of them even call them pre-loved cars - how about that!
Racists and Nazis say that they are not being racists, they are defending their heritage.
Pakistanis call LeT terrorists Freedom fighters.
Corporations call firing people - organisational restructuring.
Handicapped is called differently abled.
Blind person is called sight impaired, deaf - hearing impaired.
Salary hike is called raise and on the other hand not giving raises in a particular year is called deferred merit increase.

So, ODC should fit right in - all the parties will be satisfied with that term.
 
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Dear Brother Vijay, you are 100% right. To add one small point, I have noticed till early sixtees, Chamars used to consider a jat closure to them & always prefered over yadav/gujar/mali/rodd etc, but now the impression has been reveressed, thus in the society we are loosing friends/ supporters, which is a great loss in democratic system. These OBC castes have gone closure to sc & st, where as earlier jats were considered elder brothers by them includingcastes of present OBC. oN THE OTHER SIDE, WE NEVER GOT RESPECT, SUPPORT, EQUAL SOCIAL PLACE OR CHEERFUL WELCOME FROM SO CALLED UPPER CASTES. Also we donot match their practical intelligence, canning nature, selfishness, sweet dramatic behaviour etc.
 
Wats the big deal its just OBC. Koi mathe pe sticker laga ke thodi ghumta hai 'backward' ka.

Some people make things larger than life. Agar aap apne aako bacward nahi mante ar bahot mahan samajte ho to jaa ke community ke 2-4 backward logo ki madad karo fir apne aapko 'well to do' samajna.
 
gaganjat said:
Wats the big deal its just OBC. Koi mathe pe sticker laga ke thodi ghumta hai 'backward' ka.

Some people make things larger than life. Agar aap apne aako bacward nahi mante ar bahot mahan samajte ho to jaa ke community ke 2-4 backward logo ki madad karo fir apne aapko 'well to do' samajna.
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Hum kyun karein madad ve ke lunj hain ?

Subah uthe he babu ne lath le lena chahiye.....then boy will study ...no reservation is required.
 
Dont worry Brigadier Sir.....no one can declare us backward so easily.........let them try..........they tried in delhi......and results are infront of them.........
these people are just making fools of villagers ........those villagers who know nothing about reservations........
and fateh singh ji........after knowing about your family educational history, only one question came to my mind.......DID YOU OR ANY OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBER EVER TRIED TO EDUCATE THE STUDENTS OF ATLEAST YOUR VILLAGE SO THAT LIKE YOUR CHILDREN, HE/SHE CAN ALSO BECAME A GOLD MEDALIST.......
your forefathers, and now you, are the head of your village but did you ever ask the government to provide well qualified teachers to the government school of your village......
and many more questions like that.......
and this is not applicable to you only......it is applicable for every villager who have a good education background.....
the trend is......GET GOOD EDUCATION >>>THEN>>>GOOD JOB>>>THEN RETIREMENT>>>THEN BACK TO VILLAGE(IN SOME CASES)>>>AND IMPRESS THE VILLAGERS WITH YOUR DEGRESS.....
THATS ALL.......
 
one fellow jaatlander said that we,the jaat, are backward because we use abusive language in our houses.......i want to know how reservation will change this.......
kya obc me aane ke baad hum galiyaan deni band kar denge........
if follow this rule then people belonging to schedule tribes and caste should be the best in spoken skills....
but unfortunately its vice-versa......
THE ONLY SOLUTION IS EDUCATION......
atleast follow this :- EACH ONE TEACH ONE.....
and the best, for those who really care for our community........go to villages and join government school......or open your own education institute that provide quality education to students in village at the least possible money.......forget about profit or business......
 
daivischahal said:
Dont worry Brigadier Sir.....no one can declare us backward so easily.........let them try..........they tried in delhi......and results are infront of them.........
these people are just making fools of villagers ........those villagers who know nothing about reservations........
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bhai samjhaaiye k ho s ya reservation ?
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bls31 said:
My impressions are that of the Jats of western UP, You being at the grass root level are better informed about the Jats of the places you have indicated. There must be other similar pockets where jats need not fall in OBC category and in such case the OBC tag need not be Pan India.

In any case these are my personal feelings and I do not profess to be a spokesman of any organized group for and against the OBC Tag for Jats. And yes I am proud to be a Jat but also disappointed for more reasons than one . bls31
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sir ji yo gumaan aapne ae s aak aapke balkaa n bhi s ......
 
Reservation askers are not able to see future.

Reservation mil ke ke ho ja ga ? Esteem aur loose karenge JAT.

Naukri vah bhi sarkari to milni nah..

Arr mil bhi gayi to ke...

Sahar mein plot bhi na liya ja....makan to rehan do.

Do what these refugees are doing ......dukaan ke daam 80-80 lakh in rohtak!!
Kille ke daam 2.5- 2.5 crore...kar lo....khap panchayat main baith kein.

Arr Agriculture items pain tein sarkaar ki pakad chudva lyon.
Ek bori gheevoon 10,000 -10,000 ki bikkan lag ja gi.........sarkar ke control jate.
 
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Ek bori gheevoon 10,000 -10,000 ki bikkan lag ja gi.........sarkar ke control jate.
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hmm sahi kah hai bhai. Je kissan gehu ki bori 10 hjaar me becehega baniya tayi, to market me wa bori 20 hjaar me bikegi. Jo log kheti nahi karte aur apni naukri ke sahare ghar-grishthi chala rahe hai, unki to bukha maren ki naubat aa jagi bhai.. Sare Jaat bhi jameen nahi le rhe bhai. kise ke ikka-dukka killa se er wo bichara saher me kite driver-conductor/chaprasi laag ke roji-roti kma rhya se. Wo kit te lyaavega itne pise gehu-gehu len khatir??
par chalo koi na. mar len de un ne. Kise ne to fayda hove-e-ga!
 
the highlighted underlined text is absolutely true. to majority in delhi, JAT's are considered as rustic DTC drivers or arrogant ठुल्ला's of delhi police (DP). off-recently, after 90's the trend changed when they started looking JAT's as nouveau rich delhites from delhi's urban villages who's exalted status is because of their riches from rental properties... shahpurjat, munirka, lado sarai, nev sarai, katwariya sarai, chiragh dilli nd many other villages are very good examples.

i've experienced myself, when amongst a local group of delhites as to how they glance at me through their squint eyes... न्यू लखावें हैं अक ज्युकर आठ पाँ का जिनावर देख लिया हो. we are still treated as 2nd class citizen when a local JAT, though very sound financially but can't speak in english... takes his siblings for admission to any pvt. school in delhi.

JAT's in delhi have elevated their standards by leaps and bounds. not because of their OBC status, but because of the education which the newer generation had access to... and all this was possible cos of their newly acquired rich status. the progress in future is going to be multi-fold, which is already apparent... take my words for that.

i would like to see the same status of JAT's in haryana, u.p. nd in rajasthan. they just need a beginning and that can be very much enhanced when one member in a family reaps the benefit from OBC tag... the chain will continue further.

vijay123 said:
For those who think that Jats image will get lowered down with OBC tag please answer this question?

What is Jat image today?

- Among Jats: Does NOT matter as Jats will always proud to be Jats no matter whether they are in OBC or General or ST.
- Among Non Jats: They dont think highly of Jats. If you think otherwise then you are wrong. They just think Jats as rude, illiterate, hot headed, illogical, always ready to pick up fight at slight provocation. They already think us as backward no matter whether we get included in OBC or not.
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daivischahal said:
one fellow jaatlander said that we,the jaat, are backward because we use abusive language in our houses.......i want to know how reservation will change this.......
kya obc me aane ke baad hum galiyaan deni band kar denge........
if follow this rule then people belonging to schedule tribes and caste should be the best in spoken skills....
but unfortunately its vice-versa......
THE ONLY SOLUTION IS EDUCATION......
atleast follow this :- EACH ONE TEACH ONE.....
and the best, for those who really care for our community........go to villages and join government school......or open your own education institute that provide quality education to students in village at the least possible money.......forget about profit or business....

..[ Best method of teaching is by self example, please do it than preach, GIVE YOUR BACKGROUD, so that we can also see what a great child has taken birth in a jat family who is questioning his parents/elders. May I request you the great man, please leave me alone, I have no time, no intention, no interest, on , no capebility, no knowledge, no experience, no education, no position, infact I am nothing infront of you, please donot reply my post, these are not worth for you. If you want me to continue on jat forum, grant me this much please.God may gives you all good qualities of a good jat.
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daivischahal said:
Dont worry Brigadier Sir.....no one can declare us backward so easily.........let them try..........they tried in delhi......and results are infront of them.........
these people are just making fools of villagers ........those villagers who know nothing about reservations........
and fateh singh ji........after knowing about your family educational history, only one question came to my mind.......DID YOU OR ANY OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBER EVER TRIED TO EDUCATE THE STUDENTS OF ATLEAST YOUR VILLAGE SO THAT LIKE YOUR CHILDREN, HE/SHE CAN ALSO BECAME A GOLD MEDALIST.......
your forefathers, and now you, are the head of your village but did you ever ask the government to provide well qualified teachers to the government school of your village......
and many more questions like that.......
and this is not applicable to you only......it is applicable for every villager who have a good education background.....
the trend is......GET GOOD EDUCATION >>>THEN>>>GOOD JOB>>>THEN RETIREMENT>>>THEN BACK TO VILLAGE(IN SOME CASES)>>>AND IMPRESS THE VILLAGERS WITH YOUR DEGRESS.....
THATS ALL.......
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Mr Chahal, I can only say that when one doesnot know the matter & when doesnot understand the subject, one should not oppen his mouth, secondlyit will be batter for you to understand your level & than join such discussions. MR great, please excuse me, my level is very low so I am not in a position to give you any time or answer or reply. please pardon me I donot want to have any further communication with you, no reply of this post. thanks
 
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