Hahahaha....What a joke Vipin!! Anyway, I take is as a compliment and thanks for the same.
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Honey, Its all about love: Romantic Pyar ke Nyare Nyare Kisse
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Hahahaha....What a joke Vipin!! Anyway, I take is as a compliment and thanks for the same.
Hahahaha...रविंदर भाई, फेर तो लोग सलमान रश्दी की ढाल मेरा पुतला फूक देंगे आर मौका लाग ज्या तो हाड भी तोड़ दें I एक आधा पेज आड़े जाटलैंड पर भी डर-डर के लिखना पड़े सै I उस पै भी कई भाई कटिया सा तार दें सें I
Valid points VP SIngh ji, my opinions are inline with you and Shibani. Will refute others in a separate post.
Specific to your posts above, I wish to expand on the issue of virginity and broaden the issue of parental control.
Virginity: I agree with VP Singh ji, just adding more useful details
Virginity tests are not foolproof or conclusive. Female these days live an active lifestyle, hymen can be severed/broken during exercise (running after a bus, cycling, etc). Secondly, there are medical procedures to sew-up or restore hymen. Some one can indulge in sex but prior to marriage can undergo this hymen restoration procedure.
Parental Control: I do not completely agree with terms 'negligible' and 'proper' (though they may be rightly applicable in some cases)
I am not so sure about the following statement,
"Fortunately, the incidence of pre-marital love is negligible among Jat boys and girls – thanks to proper control by parents and relatives"
May not be as negligible, may be less reported, less admitted, oft supressed.
May not be proper control , but a control by parents and relatives wether proper or improper, justified or not, some times impeding on the human rights of the person being suppressed, emotionally blackmailed, made to feel guilty as a cause of fall from (jhooti) grace for the family, etc
prashantacmet
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pehlam main to bhai vishal tu na bata ek tu daktar hai ya engineer..ya daaki donua main degree le raakhi..hahahah.........
भाई, में किसान सु. मेरे नाम पे इब बी 'किल्ले' स गाम में. आर मोका लाग ते इ हर रोज़ 'गमला' में खेती कर के काम चलाउ सु, पूरी किसानी retire होए पाछे करंगे
Re: degrees etc in my view are mere pieces of paper if not applied and practiced. Hence, they do not and and must not entitle anyone to the claim of being wiser, more knowleged, respectable, superior, or such crap, etc.
- Degrees provide us an increased access to information, tools and opportunities to acquire knowledge, but degrees automatically do not give us awareness
- Its is up to the individual to apply the knowledge to acquire the awareness
- which can be done only if 'practiced' with 'open mind',
- otherwise degrees are 'faltu ka kagaj ka tukda', may be only useful to earn a living for some (not all, many sitting at home).
Who gives a damn, how many 'kagaj ka tukda' we have, unless we practice it and engage with other fellow human with respect otherwise people will say, "होगा तू डाक्टर या इंजिनियर, अपणे घर जा के लाट साब पाकिये, हमने के लेना देना तेरे ते, तू कोनसा महरे घर का खर्चा चलावे स" ... lol ...
More on this (my views) on the following thread, post#29 under heading "Food for Thoughts: Education vs Awareness vs Knowledge and Awareness"
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...-sex-relationships-in-Jats.&p=257255&posted=1
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amitdabas22
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There has been a varied response to the issue at hand, as anticipated. I think such remarks are expected from guys/husbands over the matter discussed. But we are perhaps not mentioning the root cause for such actions/distrust in the relationship. Is it the societal/peer pressure on the concerned individuals or the lack of confidence in himself.
I think it is a mix of both. Also i dont want to be biased, but clearly evident is the fact that the more agressive view on the matter is from the members based in India and vice versa.
I think it is a mix of both. Also i dont want to be biased, but clearly evident is the fact that the more agressive view on the matter is from the members based in India and vice versa.
Shibani I beg to differ on this subject....If X is so bold as to get involved in an extra marital affair to pacify her quest of love which didn't die even after getting married/ having children....where was this boldness when Ms.X got married? Couldn't she refuse not to get married to someone she didn't love? Isn't it something against the set norms of being trustworthy whom she chose to get married? If the love was so strong then why to get married to someone else...I call it lust....pure lust to meet hidden S****** desires in the name of something sacred called love....I know my views on the subject are right conservative but trying hard to transform
I fail to understand and agree how can some positive energy derive from a relationship totally negative?
Itna darr-chhup ke kuchh karne se achha hai ke dil pe pathar rakh lo
The parameters that I am basing my scenario on are:
This woman is conscious of the family and its prestige. Please now don't say if she is conscious of family prestige why did she follow the path of LOVE. If any question you may read VPSingh Ji's response.
This woman is brave but not irresponsible to break away from family ties. Mind you these are the women who don't run away.
The person she is married to definitely lacks the basic essence required to make a relation happy like love, care, respect and understanding. Trust is a direct result of these ingredients.
She had come into contact with a man before she got married where all these ingredients were present therefore very easy to drift away from her partner.
My first scenario was in line with the statement "even after marriage is not a sin if they are able to sustain it without jeopardizing their family equations" in mind. This woman as mentioned is forced into this marriage. She has taken initiative and approached her family that every respectable and responsible person is expected to do but unfortunately wasn't considered. This woman is not going to take extreme step of eloping or getting married without the consent of her family.
"Dil pe Pather" easy said then done. Baaki a part of the process started by marrying Mr.X. If this women is still thinking about the past gone by one major reason to that is an essential essence required in a successful marriage is missing. If her heart still beats for someone else there is deficiency in the relation.
Mark my words she is fulfilling all her responsibilities and only then seek something for her own happiness. IMO she has every right to her happiness. If the husband finds out he should reflect on himself and take on the challenge not by divorcing her but making positive changes.
Sunita what is negative to you is the only positive to this woman. She lacks an understanding family and husband. The vacuum created is fulfilled by this man. Therefore the reason to be happy, look forward to life and be strong because someone is always holding her hand.
Amit has raised very valid points which may be addressed in forthcoming discussion by the members.
prashantacmet
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Bhai Prashant, You are entitled to disagree with me as you have always been doing it religiously. Also, it is your birth right to hate others and you have never been found lacking in this respect too.
It is not only for me but for everyone..don't you exercise this right? I hate the person who just like to play tricks with his/her spouse..you like it or not...bear with it...
Your advice to me and Shibani to imagine hypothetical situations sounds a little funny to me but it was also expected of you as it is your style of interrogating people. Never mind….it is all in lighter vein.
Nope ..it is not funny this is sheer truth..just go in depth and think..you will know that i am right until you are God..you also can't tolerate it if your wife meets his lover after marriage
Seriously, I have one question for you: What is the guarantee that your wife or would be wife is a virgin who never had any pre-marital relationship/friendship with some male guy?
Right..no assurance...may be she is virgin may be not..I never said that I will not accept a girl as my wife if she had affair before marriage..But after marriage I want assurance that she is faithful for me..she has buried his past..same thing is applicable for me..if she is not happy with me and want to dump me for someone else..she can file for divorce......I don't accept extra marital afafirs and I hate guys who do so and speack in favor of it.....
But, you have to believe her and accept her version of denial in good faith. If your wife denies the allegation, there is no reason not to disbelieve her. If not, then the second option is to give her a virginity test? Are you going to do so? My guess is no, and one should never venture to do so. Suppose you decide to do so (against my advice) and the test result is positive, you may be in a soup? Moreover, the same test might be insisted upon for you as well, as a gesture of reciprocity. So better believe in whatever your spouse/fiancé/fiancée tells you. Relations of husband and wife are founded on mutual trust which should always remain intact.
I never said this ...now it is funny.....hahahha..and now I can understand how much you can tolerate............you are just jumping on unwarranted discussion
It sheer hypothetical to assume that all wives and husbands must be having illicit relations before marriage by default? Even if it were true you have no control over it. You will have to either push that black chapter under the carpet for the sake of your dignity or indulge in barbaric act of honour killing which is an inhuman act. Fortunately, the incidence of pre-marital love is negligible among Jat boys and girls
you are far from reality....you need to explore the Jat world ........
– thanks to proper control by parents and relatives.
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VP singh ji..you are taking it personally..I have no grudge against you..there may be differences in opinion but definitely no enemity and dis-respect.. do apologize if i hurted you in any way..plz see above
It is not only for me but for everyone..don't you exercise this right? I hate the person who just like to play tricks with his/her spouse..you like it or not...bear with it...
Your advice to me and Shibani to imagine hypothetical situations sounds a little funny to me but it was also expected of you as it is your style of interrogating people. Never mind….it is all in lighter vein.
Nope ..it is not funny this is sheer truth..just go in depth and think..you will know that i am right until you are God..you also can't tolerate it if your wife meets his lover after marriage
Seriously, I have one question for you: What is the guarantee that your wife or would be wife is a virgin who never had any pre-marital relationship/friendship with some male guy?
Right..no assurance...may be she is virgin may be not..I never said that I will not accept a girl as my wife if she had affair before marriage..But after marriage I want assurance that she is faithful for me..she has buried his past..same thing is applicable for me..if she is not happy with me and want to dump me for someone else..she can file for divorce......I don't accept extra marital afafirs and I hate guys who do so and speack in favor of it.....
But, you have to believe her and accept her version of denial in good faith. If your wife denies the allegation, there is no reason not to disbelieve her. If not, then the second option is to give her a virginity test? Are you going to do so? My guess is no, and one should never venture to do so. Suppose you decide to do so (against my advice) and the test result is positive, you may be in a soup? Moreover, the same test might be insisted upon for you as well, as a gesture of reciprocity. So better believe in whatever your spouse/fiancé/fiancée tells you. Relations of husband and wife are founded on mutual trust which should always remain intact.
I never said this ...now it is funny.....hahahha..and now I can understand how much you can tolerate............you are just jumping on unwarranted discussion
It sheer hypothetical to assume that all wives and husbands must be having illicit relations before marriage by default? Even if it were true you have no control over it. You will have to either push that black chapter under the carpet for the sake of your dignity or indulge in barbaric act of honour killing which is an inhuman act. Fortunately, the incidence of pre-marital love is negligible among Jat boys and girls
you are far from reality....you need to explore the Jat world ........
– thanks to proper control by parents and relatives.
P.S.
VP singh ji..you are taking it personally..I have no grudge against you..there may be differences in opinion but definitely no enemity and dis-respect.. do apologize if i hurted you in any way..plz see above
Shibani ji, you have excellently put it with crystalline clarity.
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"Romantic Pyar ke Nyare Nyare Kisse" pe bana ye thread muje lagga tha ki yahan ravinder bhai, Dhillon saab ke jaise halke fulke kisse padne ko milenge, per yahan to log pyar se sidha bewafayi ki baate kerne lagge. yahan jitni bhi information hai wo aaj bachha bachha janta hai. umar ke sath sath insaan ka basic nature ban jata hai jo kutte ki punch ki terha hotta hai jisse badlna namumkin hai. per lagge raho
Issue of fidelity in relationship and pursuing fulfillment, etc is an interesting one. VP Singh provided good analysis and good foundation to steer the discussion in an interesting direction. I agree with him with couple of deviations (my post# 93).
Shibani further pushed the envelop and touched the raw nerves by providing a specific hypothetical example. I agree with her post 74 and 87 without qualifications. Which BTW, is a laudable courageous move on her part, even at the potential risk of her example being misused to personally tarnish her by some not so well meaning person (which thankfully has not happened), she opened a can of worms. Which in my view was the best thing. This can of worms has allowed reader on the fringe to get engaged and open up more, come forth to discuss darker detailed aspects of taboo subject and eventually confront those. Thanks Shibani Ji, bravo. (waise sochne ki bata hai, hamari jat female as lot more progressive than us alpha males, hame kuch shikna chahiye ... topic for another thread ... watch out for it, I will create in next couple of days).
There might be various scenarios, too many to discuss each one in detail. I will go back to the basics:
1. We must respect the 'individuals' basic right of freedom to chose on their own.
2. If a partner, for whatever reason (pehle khush tha, ab nahin hai, ya forced shaadi thi, or simply drifted apart, got tempted, etc) if not satisfied with certain aspect they may chose from a range of options
- discussing with partner and resolving it,
- discussing and agreeing to no resolution but suppressed by partner
- discussing and agreeing to no resolution but partner agrees to an open relationship where both stay together for various reasons (kids, finances, to show off to parents or samaj) but allow each other to pursue physical and emotional relationship with others (clandestine or not)
- not discussing with partner but pursuing actions to fill the vacuum on their own including an affair
- split, divorce, etc
- take no action, stay miserable, this itself is a choice
- other any other options
3. It is individual's right to decide what they do. They decide based on weighing pros and cons, risks, etc. Based on this informed decision (pros and cons and risk), individual may decide to split, or resolve with partner or pursue clandestinely). This choice depends on 'weightage' that specific individual attributes to morals imposed by society, personal obligations, preserving family unit (for kids or money, but not love), pursuit of personal fulfillment (emotional, physical, self-esteem, etc).
4. We are no one to judge them, they are not physically hurting others, they are merely pursuing happiness that has been denied or no longer available to them. It is up to that individual in those circumstances to exercise their basic right to chose and decide and go with the risks they carry.
Shibani further pushed the envelop and touched the raw nerves by providing a specific hypothetical example. I agree with her post 74 and 87 without qualifications. Which BTW, is a laudable courageous move on her part, even at the potential risk of her example being misused to personally tarnish her by some not so well meaning person (which thankfully has not happened), she opened a can of worms. Which in my view was the best thing. This can of worms has allowed reader on the fringe to get engaged and open up more, come forth to discuss darker detailed aspects of taboo subject and eventually confront those. Thanks Shibani Ji, bravo. (waise sochne ki bata hai, hamari jat female as lot more progressive than us alpha males, hame kuch shikna chahiye ... topic for another thread ... watch out for it, I will create in next couple of days).
There might be various scenarios, too many to discuss each one in detail. I will go back to the basics:
1. We must respect the 'individuals' basic right of freedom to chose on their own.
2. If a partner, for whatever reason (pehle khush tha, ab nahin hai, ya forced shaadi thi, or simply drifted apart, got tempted, etc) if not satisfied with certain aspect they may chose from a range of options
- discussing with partner and resolving it,
- discussing and agreeing to no resolution but suppressed by partner
- discussing and agreeing to no resolution but partner agrees to an open relationship where both stay together for various reasons (kids, finances, to show off to parents or samaj) but allow each other to pursue physical and emotional relationship with others (clandestine or not)
- not discussing with partner but pursuing actions to fill the vacuum on their own including an affair
- split, divorce, etc
- take no action, stay miserable, this itself is a choice
- other any other options
3. It is individual's right to decide what they do. They decide based on weighing pros and cons, risks, etc. Based on this informed decision (pros and cons and risk), individual may decide to split, or resolve with partner or pursue clandestinely). This choice depends on 'weightage' that specific individual attributes to morals imposed by society, personal obligations, preserving family unit (for kids or money, but not love), pursuit of personal fulfillment (emotional, physical, self-esteem, etc).
4. We are no one to judge them, they are not physically hurting others, they are merely pursuing happiness that has been denied or no longer available to them. It is up to that individual in those circumstances to exercise their basic right to chose and decide and go with the risks they carry.
Nu na sa Ravider ji loogaaiyaan ka dil ghana bada ho se .....samunder barga tabhi aaj tak aadmi iski gehraiyii ko nahin jaan sake....aur hum aurtein aadmiyaan ki rag rag se wakif hain....bas itna hi kahoongi
Bhai Prashant, just a suggestion. This is a thread about love. Why bring out the hatred.
Also, I believe you probably meant 'disapprove' instead of the word hate. The term 'hate' is too strong a word. Why accumulate negative emotions. Selection of words is important, its not mere play on words, as they say we become product of our attitude and vocabulary. This is due to the power of subconscious. i encourage you to differentiate between the 'deeper meaning' of the following words:
Hate: extreme negative emotions
Disapprove:
Neutral: self explanatory
Approve: indicates support
In case I have to use such a word, I personally try to go with word 'not approve' as it indicates, "I do not support it" but I can be neutral or indifferent, if not supportive.
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"Romantic Pyar ke Nyare Nyare Kisse" pe bana ye thread muje lagga tha ki yahan ravinder bhai, Dhillon saab ke jaise halke fulke kisse padne ko milenge, per yahan to log pyar se sidha bewafayi ki baate kerne lagge. yahan jitni bhi information hai wo aaj bachha bachha janta hai. umar ke sath sath insaan ka basic nature ban jata hai jo kutte ki punch ki terha hotta hai jisse badlna namumkin hai. per lagge raho
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ravinderjeet
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जिस तरियां सत्यपाल देशवाल जी ने कह्या स | प्रेम तो भावनाओं में छुपा होया करे | मेरी घराली कह्या करदी, अक तू आपने दोस्ताँ की ढाल ,जो , आपनी पत्नी नु सारी हाण "आई लव यु", "लव यु हनी" ,माई डार्लिंग " कहे जावे सें एर सडकआँ में ,एर पारकां में, हाथां में हाथ घाल के चालें सें, नु ना करदा | में कहंदा ,बावली जट्टां का प्यार करण का तरिका न्यारा होया करे | जुकर :-
* जब तू पीहर जावे, एक हफ्ते खातर ,एर उड़े जाएं पाछे फोन करे अक और एक हफ्ते पाछे अइयो लेवन ,एर में बोलबाला मान जाऊ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब तू सूंट पडा लयावे एर फोन करदे अक फलाने की पेमेंट करवा अइयो | एर में माड़ी वार फड -फडा कें पेमेंट कर आवूँ यो "आई लव यु स "||
* एर जब तू घर रिनोवेट करे | एर में तन्ने आपने आप घर का इंटीरियर डिजाइन करण की छूट , एर अन्लिम्तेद खर्च करण की छूट दे देवूँ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* जब बाल्कां के नाँ ,तू आपनी मर्जी तें धरे ,एर में बिना चूँ करें मान जाऊं यो "आई लव यु स "|
* जब तू गहंने बनवा लयावे ,बिना बुझे, एर मन्ने पेमेंट करण भजावे ,यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब तेरा रोहतक समोसे खावण नु जी करे एर में आपनी माँ तें लूको कें , चेक कर्वावन के बहाने तन्ने समोसे खुवान ले जावूँ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब में थकया होया आवूँ ,एर तू नु कहे ,अक चाल खंडाला ताहि लॉन्ग ड्राइव पे जावांगे ,एर में मान जावूँ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब तू नु कहवे अक आज सन्डे स तू चाह बणा के प्या,एर में बोल बाला चाह बणा लयावूं यो "आई लव यु स "|
* जब तू पीहर जावे, एक हफ्ते खातर ,एर उड़े जाएं पाछे फोन करे अक और एक हफ्ते पाछे अइयो लेवन ,एर में बोलबाला मान जाऊ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब तू सूंट पडा लयावे एर फोन करदे अक फलाने की पेमेंट करवा अइयो | एर में माड़ी वार फड -फडा कें पेमेंट कर आवूँ यो "आई लव यु स "||
* एर जब तू घर रिनोवेट करे | एर में तन्ने आपने आप घर का इंटीरियर डिजाइन करण की छूट , एर अन्लिम्तेद खर्च करण की छूट दे देवूँ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* जब बाल्कां के नाँ ,तू आपनी मर्जी तें धरे ,एर में बिना चूँ करें मान जाऊं यो "आई लव यु स "|
* जब तू गहंने बनवा लयावे ,बिना बुझे, एर मन्ने पेमेंट करण भजावे ,यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब तेरा रोहतक समोसे खावण नु जी करे एर में आपनी माँ तें लूको कें , चेक कर्वावन के बहाने तन्ने समोसे खुवान ले जावूँ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब में थकया होया आवूँ ,एर तू नु कहे ,अक चाल खंडाला ताहि लॉन्ग ड्राइव पे जावांगे ,एर में मान जावूँ यो "आई लव यु स "|
* एर जब तू नु कहवे अक आज सन्डे स तू चाह बणा के प्या,एर में बोल बाला चाह बणा लयावूं यो "आई लव यु स "|
ravinderjeet
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mahshoor to ho jaawogey.
ravinderjeet
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key karyaa jaa sir ji, aade-a to bas naa chaaldaa maanas kaa.
ravinderjeet
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beraa naa shibani ji,mey to kisse tein haans bol lendaa to nu kahyaa kardi chaal gharaan tanney me bataaungi.baddaa dil hove se to fer nu kyuon kahyaa karein khaam khaa.
Ravinder bhai loogaai sari dhal ki pave se........
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