"Hindu Terrorism" - Is this right?

Fatah Singh Sir, I hope you would find the following article interesting which will clear the air in a better way.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers47/paper4623.html




Hindutva Ideology & Norwegian Carnage
By B. Raman
Right-thinking Hindus would feel puzzled and concerned over media reports regarding the many references to the Hindutva movement allegedly contained in the writings of Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old Norwegian who carried out an immense carnage in Norway on July 22, 2011, resulting in the massacre of nearly 80 Norwegians, many of them young.
2. He had not come to the adverse notice of either the Police or the society before he carried out his carnage. Official investigation and private research after the carnage have brought out that seeds and thoughts of irrationality have been present in him for some time without being noticed by anyone. He had given web expression to his thoughts over a period of time.
3. Irrational thoughts are partly spontaneously born and partly externally stimulated. External stimulation often provides evil addition to such thoughts. Breivik’s thoughts were no exception to this law of nature. He appears to have developed an irrational mind despite his having had the benefit of a good education. This irrationality in him seems to have been aggravated and not diluted by his exposure to religious and cultural influences of other countries through the Internet.
4. One of the many external stimulators to his thinking process seems to have been his exposure to Hindutva thinking and arguments regarding the allegedly negative face of Islam. There were two intense angers gnawing inside him----an anti-Islam one and an anti-liberal one for not seeing through the dangers ---in his perception---posed by Islam.
5. His attempts to convince himself of the dangers allegedly posed by Islam seem to have led him into the web world of Hindutva organisations and ideologues. Their arguments over issues such as the alleged sufferings of Hindus at the hands of Muslims, the dangers of illegal Muslim migration etc appealed to his mind which was already convinced that Islam was evil and he started looking upon the Hindutva ideologues as objective analysts of the evils of Islam.
6. It would be incorrect to jump to the conclusion that his flirting with Hindutva thinking exacerbated his anti-Muslim anger. But it seems to have at least partly convinced him of the rightness of his own analysis. He found justification and rationalisation for his irrational analyses in the thoughts expressed in some of the Hindutva web sites that he frequented.
7. In India, we have had instances of mob irrationality at Ayodhya in 1992 and in Gujarat in 2002, but, fortunately, no instances of irrationality of isolated individuals that led to the kind of carnage witnessed in Norway. With determination, it should be possible to prevent and deal effectively with mob irrationality.We failed to do so at Ayodhya and in Gujarat because the determination to deal effectively was lacking.
8. Even determined Government response may not be able to deal effectively with unexpected outbursts of individual irrationality in moments of real or imaginary anger. This underlines the importance of not propagating and projecting ideology in lingo and termsthat could wittingly or unwittingly induce irrationality in individual elements of society by feeding anger instead of diluting it.
9.Instead of rejecting with indignation insinuations of a possible impact of Hindutva thoughts on the mind of the Norwegian, Hindutva ideologues should ponder over their present methods of propagation of their thoughts and arguments and see how ideological arguments can be couched and propagated in a manner that would add to sanity in discourse and not irrationality

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Dear Brother, I submitted very clearly that discussion can be prolonged from both side, I have no air, I have my own views based on my knowedge and experiance, I can also quote many thing to clear air/water/gas, but tell me honestly at our level, such quotes are having any meaning, does that fellow know more than us about Indian reality, good/bad, fronkly speaking I find nothing important to note in your quote, his thinking and his action is nothing but madness, foolishness, full of fustration and immaturity, Brother, I OR else, nobody wants voilance, nobody wants to kill his own or even anybody but question is as to how to save the situation/self/nation or even hindus, Every one by now knows that I personally donot belive in the religion, but since we all are called hindus, we practice hinduism, our elders were called hindus, thus isnot our duty to save it? yes, method of saving or couner action, may be different and can be discussed, I am sure, no hindu or specially jat wants to be terrorist or wants to lifts rifle except in self defence,

Secondly, I am failed to understand why we turn the discussion toward each other, why should we use unparliamentry langguage, This is applicable to all of us, I am not telling you, infact I noticed, you are comparatively batter mannered, but due to ill mannered expression, we create bad feelings and destroy the good discussions.

Again a humble request to all of us to respect each other, love each other, stop calling names and improve our behaviour every where incuding at jat land, regards
 
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It was an act in frustration and in frustration people can kill themselves. You need to understand the basic reason here and remove it to prevent this kind of incidents. Why did he resort to this kind of reaction?
Why are you just pointing out this very act only? Why don't you or any other secularist ask the same question about the 100s of other incidents which are carried out by the Jehadi terrorists. This single incident was a step taken in frustration but Jehadis do it in cold blood.
This very incident provokes very strong reactions in secularists but they do not have courage to say a single word against those 100s of incidents. The argument you are giving has been given by many, specially in India. Indian secularists have been talking in this language language for decades.
I think you should keep talking about occasional symptom and keep treating them and the real disease will keep worsening in this world. I wish you a safe world and safe life because secularists do not see this world unsafe other than some single frustration borne incidents.

Sitaram ji, you have every right to disagree with my viewpoint. But you have still not answered my query; "should we kill our own innocent children out of frustration as the Norwegian killer did" . To make it more clear, "should the Hindus kill Hindus out of frustration" on the similar lines as adopted by the said killer. That is the crucial question. The Norwegian killer did not specify his target (Muslims) and his was a random act of massacre which victimized people of his own faith to a great extent. How would you justify this reckless modus operandi??

I can understand your frustration borne out of government's failure or lack of seriousness to contain this menace because of their political compulsion or vote-bank politics but before advising others, are you (or me for that matter) ready to go on a crusade with a bomb around your waist??
 
It was an act in frustration and in frustration people can kill themselves. You need to understand the basic reason here and remove it to prevent this kind of incidents. Why did he resort to this kind of reaction?
Why are you just pointing out this very act only? Why don't you or any other secularist ask the same question about the 100s of other incidents which are carried out by the Jehadi terrorists. This single incident was a step taken in frustration but Jehadis do it in cold blood.
This very incident provokes very strong reactions in secularists but they do not have courage to say a single word against those 100s of incidents. The argument you are giving has been given by many, specially in India. Indian secularists have been talking in this language language for decades.
I think you should keep talking about occasional symptom and keep treating them and the real disease will keep worsening in this world. I wish you a safe world and safe life because secularists do not see this world unsafe other than some single frustration borne incidents.
तो ठीक है भाई सीताराम अगर आपका विश्वास दृढ है तो आप हिन्दू धर्म को मानने वालों का कोई फिदायीन दस्ता (suicide squad ) तैयार कर सकते हैं I देश और समाज पर न्योछावर होने वालों को कौन रोक सकता है I हमने तो बस अपने विचार प्रगट कर दिए थे, आप को पसंद नहीं आये तो नज़र अंदाज़ कर देना I

PS: लिखते लिखते हाथ भी दुखण लाग्ग्या, इब मेरे ख्याल मैं पूर्ण विराम लगाना ठीक होगा.
 
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तो ठीक है भाई सीताराम अगर आपका विश्वास दृढ है तो आप हिन्दू धर्म को मानने वालों का कोई फिदायीन दस्ता (suicide squad ) तैयार कर सकते हैं I देश और समाज पर न्योछावर होने वालों को कौन रोक सकता है I हमने तो बस अपने विचार प्रगट कर दिए थे, आप को पसंद नहीं आये तो नज़र अंदाज़ कर देना I

PS: लिखते लिखते हाथ भी दुखण लाग्ग्या, इब मेरे ख्याल मैं पूर्ण विराम लगाना ठीक होगा.

भाई जी, ताव्ले-ए भाज लिए |
 
It was an act in frustration and in frustration people can kill themselves. You need to understand the basic reason here and remove it to prevent this kind of incidents. Why did he resort to this kind of reaction?
Why are you just pointing out this very act only? Why don't you or any other secularist ask the same question about the 100s of other incidents which are carried out by the Jehadi terrorists. This single incident was a step taken in frustration but Jehadis do it in cold blood.
This very incident provokes very strong reactions in secularists but they do not have courage to say a single word against those 100s of incidents. The argument you are giving has been given by many, specially in India. Indian secularists have been talking in this language language for decades.
I think you should keep talking about occasional symptom and keep treating them and the real disease will keep worsening in this world. I wish you a safe world and safe life because secularists do not see this world unsafe other than some single frustration borne incidents.

Do you justify Breivik's actions? Do you think Breivik's should be a role model for every Hindu citizen in India. Do you think every Indian should come forward and start targeting Muslims into our country . Do you want India to run into chaos? A country which is home to third largest Muslim population in the world, do you want Hindus start fighting them by giving spurious logic that because in 90 percent of terrorist attacks, Muslims are involved, So we think all Muslims are terrorist. Please suggest some ideas here on Jatland and Enlighten us.
 
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रे आतिश तू ते पहलम-ए इन्लाईट हो रया स | क्यूँ पंगे लेर्या स | जा हरयाणा तें मुसलमान ना भाजाये जांदे ,तो तन्ने बेरा पाट जांदा | आर फेर तेरी इन्लाईट ,सनलाईट हो जांदी |
 
रे आतिश तू ते पहलम-ए इन्लाईट हो रया स | क्यूँ पंगे लेर्या स | जा हरयाणा तें मुसलमान ना भाजाये जांदे ,तो तन्ने बेरा पाट जांदा | आर फेर तेरी इन्लाईट ,सनलाईट हो जांदी |

Tere tai baadh to koye bhi en light na ho rehya....Tere nakshe kadam pai to 2 din main tukade-tukade ho jaan is desh ke....
 
Tere tai baadh to koye bhi en light na ho rehya....Tere nakshe kadam pai to 2 din main tukade-tukade ho jaan is desh ke....

ये जो तीन -चार टुकड़े पहलम होरे अर इब्ब सेधन लागरे ये किः के नक्से-कदम पे होए थे ?
 
ये जो तीन -चार टुकड़े पहलम होरे अर इब्ब सेधन लागरे ये किः के नक्से-कदम पे होए थे ?

Jis Shiv Sena nai tu apna masiha batawe hai usse nai to tu 2 din baad kossan laag ja hai...tere extremism aale raaste pai to kadka panjaab paat leta India tai..Ho jata ek aur desh tayar..Khalistaan..Tere bataye hue raaste pai Kashmeer nai bhi apni awaz uthani chahiye..arr bomb blast, maar dhaar, voilence shuru kar deni chahiye India mai...pher ek alag desh bana lena chaiye..arr pherr India gail ladayi shuru kar deni chahiye..
 
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Jis Shiv Sena nai tu apna masiha batawe hai usse nai to tu 2 din baad kossan laag ja hai...tere extremism aale raaste pai to kadka panjaab paat leta India tai..Ho jata ek aur desh tayar..Khalistaan..Tere bataye hue raaste pai Kashmeer nai bhi apni awaz uthani chahiye..arr bomb blast, maar dhaar, voilence shuru kar deni chahiye India mai...pher ek alag desh bana lena chaiye..arr pherr India gail ladayi shuru kar deni chahiye..
भाई तेरे उलटा गेर लाग्र्या स | जो तू ये बात बतावे स ना इनकी त्यारी ये कान्ग्रेस्सी अर सो काल्ड सेकुलर करण लाग रे सें | खालिस्तान ,कश्मीर ये सब इन् के-ए करे धरे सें | आज जितनी पोस्ट आई सें पहलम इन् ने पढ़ ले | अर ना समझ आंदी ते इन् सेकुलाराँ आली लिस्ट में तू आपणा भी नाम लिखा ले अर हांड सारी दुनिया में मुफ्त में हवाई जहाजाँ में अर फाइव स्टार होटलां में आई .अस. आई. के पिस्याँ में |आड़े कोए किस्से का पुन्झअड़ तो पाडन ते रह्या | ये नेता अर सेकुलरिस्ट भी उन्ने के पिस्स्याँ में एश करण लागरे सें |
 
अर तू जो लिखे स अक ये कर देना चाहिए ,वो कर देना चाहिए | यु सब किम्मे आप हो जा गा जब आग लागे गी | जंगल की आग में जानवर अर रुंख सब झुल्स्या करें |
 
भाई तेरे उलटा गेर लाग्र्या स | जो तू ये बात बतावे स ना इनकी त्यारी ये कान्ग्रेस्सी अर सो काल्ड सेकुलर करण लाग रे सें | खालिस्तान ,कश्मीर ये सब इन् के-ए करे धरे सें | आज जितनी पोस्ट आई सें पहलम इन् ने पढ़ ले | अर ना समझ आंदी ते इन् सेकुलाराँ आली लिस्ट में तू आपणा भी नाम लिखा ले अर हांड सारी दुनिया में मुफ्त में हवाई जहाजाँ में अर फाइव स्टार होटलां में आई .अस. आई. के पिस्याँ में |आड़े कोए किस्से का पुन्झअड़ तो पाडन ते रह्या | ये नेता अर सेकुलरिस्ट भी उन्ने के पिस्स्याँ में एश करण लागरे सें |

Main to tere गेर ke according batoo soon bhai....Tere गेर ke according to ibb tayi Kasmeer nai India pai humla bol dena chahiye..Panjaab nai bhi tere गेर ke according ladaii ched deni chahiye.. Sai akk na..haan ya na boliye...kaade ibb tu bataan nai ghoomaan laag ja ?
 
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अर तू जो लिखे स अक ये कर देना चाहिए ,वो कर देना चाहिए | यु सब किम्मे आप हो जा गा जब आग लागे गी | जंगल की आग में जानवर अर रुंख सब झुल्स्या करें |

haan katti thik kahi tunnai...Jo howega aape howega..arr jo ho rehya hai wo loggan ki sehmati tai ho rehya hai..
 
या पंजाब अर कश्मीर की लड़ाई बीचाले किथों आगि भाई ,मेरे समझ में कोणी आई |
 
या पंजाब अर कश्मीर की लड़ाई बीचाले किथों आगि भाई ,मेरे समझ में कोणी आई |

Munnai bera tha tu baat pherr ghumawega...Ya baat tere chale hue logic arr ideology tai aayi hai..hinsa se ye sab milta hai...to innai bhi haak hinsa karke le lena chahiye apna..sai akk ni...haan ya na?
 
भाई जी, ताव्ले-ए भाज लिए |
तू भी घणा ऐ दुखी रह सै, थोडा सा आराम का जोटा मार लिया कर ताकि औरां नै भी दो बात लिखण का मौका मिल ज्या i
 
Munnai bera tha tu baat pherr ghumawega...Ya baat tere chale hue logic arr ideology tai aayi hai..hinsa se ye sab milta hai...to innai bhi haak hinsa karke le lena chahiye apna..sai akk ni...haan ya na?
कितने बे छप्प लिया ,ले देख ले मेरा जबाब
हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |
 
कितने बे छप्प लिया ,ले देख ले मेरा जबाब
हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |
Pher wahi baat...bataan nai pher ghuma de hai..Tere bataye hue raaste pai Kashmeer nai bhi apni awaz uthani chahiye..arr bomb blast, maar dhaar, voilence shuru kar deni chahiye India mai...pher ek alag desh bana lena chaiye..arr pherr India gail ladayi shuru kar deni chahiye..Haan ya Na?
 
तू भी घणा ऐ दुखी रह सै, थोडा सा आराम का जोटा मार लिया कर ताकि औरां नै भी दो बात लिखण का मौका मिल ज्या i

भाई जी, दुखी के होना :-


में तो दुत्कार में भी प्यार ढूंढ लेता हूँ |
दुश्मनों में भी यार दूंढ़ लेता हूँ |
जहां दुःख ही दुःख भरे हों |
खुशियाँ चार दूंढ़ लेता हूँ ||||
 
Pher wahi baat...bataan nai pher ghuma de hai..Tere bataye hue raaste pai Kashmeer nai bhi apni awaz uthani chahiye..arr bomb blast, maar dhaar, voilence shuru kar deni chahiye India mai...pher ek alag desh bana lena chaiye..arr pherr India gail ladayi shuru kar deni chahiye..Haan ya Na?

वो-ए ते चालर्या स कश्मीर में | बेरा कोणी तन्ने इब्ब ताहि ?
 
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