Road Terror

prashantacmet said:
VP ji..aaj kal log-baag congress tai katai fukke baithe hai..arr thaam taang taale tai congress ka favor ka kankar bagya do...congress ke khilaaf aandhi hai yeh......iss aandhi ke saamne jhuk jaan hi achaa hai...logo ka aakrosh nikal raha hai....par ek baat to hai....kelle manas ke pacche nu haath-paa dho ke ni padna chaiye..par yeh tharre hi chotte bhai ...jee pe na liyo inki baat.................:)
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BJP solution hai ke ??? कौवे तो सारे के काले सैन भाई ..
 
rakeshsehrawat said:
Are o kyun budhe manas ne dukhi kar rahe ho?
Ravinder tu katti e godiyan aale yaane ki dhala ho rehya hai.
Kapil aade thamne madi moti road sense ki baat karan ki pooche tha tham marre batte katti nonsense pe utar gaye
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राकेश रोड सेन्स ते हामने भतेरी स | पर कबे-कबे घणी शान्ति मरघट की नीरवता ल्या दिया करे, ज्यां तें कदे-कदे खुड्का भी होणा चाहिए |
 
Can we be the solution to road terror/ road rage?
1) We can get our driver's license made without a driving test. Of course, I am a safe driver. Can we vouch for driving by the another person who will get the driver's license made the same easy way? I am tolerant if I or my dear/near ones get the license made this way, but intolerant when others do it.
2) When we are stopped by a policeman for a traffic violation, and he offers us a deal that makes the "challan" to him less than the "challan" to the government, we will prefer to give the challan to the government and not to the policeman, but of course others will not.
3) When we pay our taxes, we are honest in declaring our income and do not look for dubious ways to save it from going it to the government for maintainance of infrastructure. And other's save on their taxes, else it will fill the coffers of our corrupt politicians.
4) When we are driving following all the rules of the road, and an "idiot" cuts through in front of me, I stay calm and think that probably he/she needs to get somewhere fast. Of course, others will roll down their window, if it is not down already, and shout out a few choicest of words, or better still speed up and cut in front of him/her.

Can we "tolerate" and accept the laws and regulations however much we are inconvenienced? Rakesh pointed out how "intolerant" we have become of the advices given to us for our own good on the roads. Even though VP Sir joked about the "intolerance" on the forum, but then isn't it true that we reflect the general attitude of public, the same public on the roads-" trying to prove I am right and you are wrong because I am more aggressive than you, I am right and you are wrong because I have more people with me than you, I am right and you are wrong because I say so. We have become our own judge and jury and verdict is always "not guilty".

We have grown tolerant of violation of current laws, intolerant of people who do not follow "my rules of driving on road. Jit talked about the strict laws, and I agree. We not only need stricter laws but also strictly implemented, sparing none.
We tolerated "corruption" for years, feeding it till it became part of our own lives. We tolerated traffic law violations, and we gained the distinction of nation with 1.18 lakh/year fatalities on the roads. Till the new, more strict laws are made and implemented, can we atleast follow the current laws?
 
prashantacmet said:
vp ji..aaj kal log-baag congress tai katai fukke baithe hai..arr thaam taang taale tai congress ka favor ka kankar bagya do...congress ke khilaaf aandhi hai yeh......iss aandhi ke saamne jhuk jaan hi achaa hai...logo ka aakrosh nikal raha hai....par ek baat to hai....kelle manas ke pacche nu haath-paa dho ke ni padna chaiye..par yeh tharre hi chotte bhai ...jee pe na liyo inki baat.................:)
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हाँ भाई प्रशांत, पब्लिक तो जमा भड़क गी, पर यो टोपिक राजनीती का कोन्या इसलिए बात करना ठीक कोन्या i
हर किसे की बात नै दिल पै क्यूकर लिया जा सकै सै भाई, दिल मैं इतनी जगह ना होती i दिल कै तो ठेस जब लाग्या करै जब कोई अपणा चोट मारज्या i इसा आज ताएँ हमने होण ना दिया आर आगे होण भी कोन्या दयूं I इसलिए दिल मज़बूत आर स्वस्थ सै I:rockThought for the day is that "We should not take every Tom, Dick and Harry seriously".
 
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annch said:
isn't it true that we reflect the general attitude of public, the same public on the roads-" trying to prove I am right and you are wrong because I am more aggressive than you, I am right and you are wrong because I have more people with me than you, I am right and you are wrong because I say so. We have become our own judge and jury and verdict is always "not guilty".

We have grown tolerant of violation of current laws, intolerant of people who do not follow "my rules of driving on road. Jit talked about the strict laws, and I agree. We not only need stricter laws but also strictly implemented, sparing none.
We tolerated "corruption" for years, feeding it till it became part of our own lives. We tolerated traffic law violations, and we gained the distinction of nation with 1.18 lakh/year fatalities on the roads. Till the new, more strict laws are made and implemented, can we atleast follow the current laws?
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Naya naya paisa, apne aapko sabke aage rakhne ki niyat, mein bada ye sabit karne ki hod insano mein ek abhiman paida kar deti hai. Wahi hame khamkha react karne par majboor karta hai.
Apne aale sirf aur sirf dande ke dam par chalte hain par samajh nahi aata yu danda kis kis ke diya ja? koye robot lyane padenge aade to jo challan kaat ke hath mein de dein na to hath pakad ke ude e bitha lein.

waise is desh mein 8 se 9 lakh salana mrityu hoti hain tambakoo ki wajah se.
 
कभी हम युवराज के छक्के और धोनी के बालों के लिए मर गए........
कभी हम सलमान के चरित्र, मधुबाला के चेहरे और कैटरीना कि चालों के लिए मर गए.............
कभी हम अमेरिका के वीसा और IT कि Job के लिए मर गए........
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vipinjyani said:
kiski bat kare he rakesh? Kaun kaunse bhude ne dukhi kare he
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घणे दिन मैं गेडा मारया दिखे विपिन, आड़े तो बूढ़े लोग्गां का जीणा मुश्किल कर राख्या सै बर्बाद जवानियाँ नै i
भाई एक आधी बै बड़े बूढ़े माणसां की सुध तू भी ले लिया कर i
 
बुडा आड़े कौन हे, आपना यार, vp जी?
बाकि VP जी आया तो था में एक आधी बे फिर उल्टा इ हो लिया. लोग बतलावे कम हे, लुगायियाँ की डाला झिक झिक, कच कच जयादा करे हे आजकल
 
rakeshsehrawat said:
कभी हम युवराज के छक्के और धोनी के बालों के लिए मर गए........
कभी हम सलमान के चरित्र, मधुबाला के चेहरे और कैटरीना कि चालों के लिए मर गए.............
कभी हम अमेरिका के वीसा और IT कि Job के लिए मर गए........
कहीं होंगे भगत सिंह तो कहते होंगे - यार सुखदेव, राजगुरु ..... हम भी किन सालों के लिए मर गए

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देश द्रोही और दलालों के लिए मर गये |
 
VipinJyani said:
बुडा आड़े कौन हे, आपना यार, vp जी?
बाकि VP जी आया तो था में एक आधी बे फिर उल्टा इ हो लिया. लोग बतलावे कम हे, लुगायियाँ की डाला झिक झिक, कच कच जयादा करे हे आजकल
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साची बात सहज दे सी ने टुल्का गया |
 
kapdal said:
Lots of passionate discussion going on JL about this terror and that terror. Hindu terror, muslim terror, norway terror- jahaan dekho terror hi terror. The discussion is more terrorising than the actual act of terror.
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And eventually this thread too became a victim of terror!! It seems terror does not spare anyone !!
 
annch said:
Can we be the solution to road terror/ road rage?
1) We can get our driver's license made without a driving test. Of course, I am a safe driver. Can we vouch for driving by the another person who will get the driver's license made the same easy way? I am tolerant if I or my dear/near ones get the license made this way, but intolerant when others do it.
2) When we are stopped by a policeman for a traffic violation, and he offers us a deal that makes the "challan" to him less than the "challan" to the government, we will prefer to give the challan to the government and not to the policeman, but of course others will not.
3) When we pay our taxes, we are honest in declaring our income and do not look for dubious ways to save it from going it to the government for maintainance of infrastructure. And other's save on their taxes, else it will fill the coffers of our corrupt politicians.
4) When we are driving following all the rules of the road, and an "idiot" cuts through in front of me, I stay calm and think that probably he/she needs to get somewhere fast. Of course, others will roll down their window, if it is not down already, and shout out a few choicest of words, or better still speed up and cut in front of him/her.

Can we "tolerate" and accept the laws and regulations however much we are inconvenienced? Rakesh pointed out how "intolerant" we have become of the advices given to us for our own good on the roads. Even though VP Sir joked about the "intolerance" on the forum, but then isn't it true that we reflect the general attitude of public, the same public on the roads-" trying to prove I am right and you are wrong because I am more aggressive than you, I am right and you are wrong because I have more people with me than you, I am right and you are wrong because I say so. We have become our own judge and jury and verdict is always "not guilty".

We have grown tolerant of violation of current laws, intolerant of people who do not follow "my rules of driving on road. Jit talked about the strict laws, and I agree. We not only need stricter laws but also strictly implemented, sparing none.
We tolerated "corruption" for years, feeding it till it became part of our own lives. We tolerated traffic law violations, and we gained the distinction of nation with 1.18 lakh/year fatalities on the roads. Till the new, more strict laws are made and implemented, can we atleast follow the current laws?
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The root of the problem is this "tolerance". Wasn't India a slave for 200 yrs because Indians were tolerant? Today, aren't we tolerating this loot and plunder of money at the hands of politicians and business?

Coming to the topic, aren't we willingly tolerating the traffic woes, just because someone didn't planned the roads well or someone (influential) changed them, or because someone encroached upon them?

To give an example, today it took me 2 Hrs (door to door) to reach my office at Cyber city, Gurgaon from DLF Phase -1. This was because, it took me one hour to cover a 2Km jammed stretch. The whole jam was due to a 10 meter potholed stretch which was partly submerged in water that was released by a construction company (IL&FS) constructing the private metro line.

A rough calculation estimates one day's loss to the general public as approx one crore. Mostly due to this 10 meter potholed strech and the construction company.

That's hard to believe. However, that's what these calculations tell.
[TABLE="width: 965"]
[TR]
[TD]Fuel Cost Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg Length of One vichle[/TD]
[TD]Total Length[/TD]
[TD]Vichle/Row[/TD]
[TD]No Of rows[/TD]
[TD]Total Vichles[/TD]
[TD]Avg Idle Petrol Consuption/Hour[/TD]
[TD]Petrol Price[/TD]
[TD]Cost of Petrol/H[/TD]
[TD]Avg jam Hours/Day[/TD]
[TD]Petrol Cost Per Day[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.5[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]444.4444444[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1777.777778[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD]346666.7[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]2080000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]




[TABLE="width: 685"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Productive Manpower loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avarage Sal of People./Hour[/TD]
[TD]Avg No of People/Veichle[/TD]
[TD]Total People[/TD]
[TD]Manpower loss/Hour[/TD]
[TD]Total Productive Loss/Day[/TD]
[TD]Total (Petrol + Productive) Loss/Day[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]2.5[/TD]
[TD]4444.444444[/TD]
[TD]1333333.333[/TD]
[TD]8000000[/TD]
[TD]10080000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Now compare this one day loss with the cost of repairing this 10 meter stretch of road. Isn't this all because this company (IL&FS), which constructed and is responsible for this stretch of raod wants to save a few lakh's of rupees at the cost of coreres of public money? Surely somewhere someone would also be making money within the government.

But who cares, we Indians are tolerant. The action on Anna's movement this time will also give a good picture of this tolerance. A simple lathi charge action shown on TV would be enough for us to keep us holed-up in our houses.
 
Explanation of the figures.

On the petrol cost front, the 3 ltr of petrol consumption for one hour of idling has been taken from the following pages (references below). In actual practice, the petrol consumption would come out to be higher as actually there is frequent acceleration and braking in jam. With AC on, the figure is likely to touch 4 ltr/hr.

Ref 1. - "Idling for 1 hour burns nearly 1 gallon of gasoline."
Ref 2 - Page 2 of the document. Refer table at top - Average Idle fuel consumption for all vehicles = 0.82 Galoons/Hr

To get the total number of vehicles, average length of a vehicle is assumed as 4.5 meters. Cars like, Alto, Wagon-R, Santro etc have body length of around 3.5 meters and cars like Honda city has body length as 4.4 meters. It is assumed that vehicles are running bumper to bumper.

While most of the vehicles were cars, there were autos (both six seater shared autos and normal), buses and cabs also in the jam. So a conservative value of 2.5 people/vehicle has been taken. That gave the number of people stuck in the jam.
 
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Arvindc said:
The root of the problem is this "tolerance". Wasn't India a slave for 200 yrs because Indians were tolerant? Today, aren't we tolerating this loot and plunder of money at the hands of politicians and business?

Coming to the topic, aren't we willingly tolerating the traffic woes, just because someone didn't planned the roads well or someone (influential) changed them, or because someone encroached upon them?

To give an example, today it took me 2 Hrs (door to door) to reach my office at Cyber city, Gurgaon from DLF Phase -1. This was because, it took me one hour to cover a 2Km jammed stretch. The whole jam was due to a 10 meter potholed stretch which was partly submerged in water that was released by a construction company (IL&FS) constructing the private metro line.

A rough calculation estimates one day's loss to the general public as approx one crore. Mostly due to this 10 meter potholed strech and the construction company.

That's hard to believe. However, that's what these calculations tell.
[TABLE="width: 965"]
[TR]
[TD]Fuel Cost Loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg Length of One vichle[/TD]
[TD]Total Length[/TD]
[TD]Vichle/Row[/TD]
[TD]No Of rows[/TD]
[TD]Total Vichles[/TD]
[TD]Avg Idle Petrol Consuption/Hour[/TD]
[TD]Petrol Price[/TD]
[TD]Cost of Petrol/H[/TD]
[TD]Avg jam Hours/Day[/TD]
[TD]Petrol Cost Per Day[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.5[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]444.4444444[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]1777.777778[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD]346666.7[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]2080000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]







[TABLE="width: 685"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Productive Manpower loss[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avarage Sal of People./Hour[/TD]
[TD]Avg No of People/Veichle[/TD]
[TD]Total People[/TD]
[TD]Manpower loss/Hour[/TD]
[TD]Total Productive Loss/Day[/TD]
[TD]Total (Petrol + Productive) Loss/Day[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]2.5[/TD]
[TD]4444.444444[/TD]
[TD]1333333.333[/TD]
[TD]8000000[/TD]
[TD]10080000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]






Now compare this one day loss with the cost of repairing this 10 meter stretch of road. Isn't this all because this company (IL&FS), which constructed and is responsible for this stretch of raod wants to save a few lakh's of rupees at the cost of coreres of public money? Surely somewhere someone would also be making money within the government.

But who cares, we Indians are tolerant. The action on Anna's movement this time will also give a good picture of this tolerance. A simple lathi charge action shown on TV would be enough for us to keep us holed-up in our houses.
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More people think like this, more will be the accountability of bureaucrats and politicians ! And Eventually people will be the beneficiary.
 
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Driving Skills On Indian Roads

My question to all Jatlanders

How do you find driving in the night when an oncoming vehicle say a truck has high beam headlights? And on top of that, not only the headlights but there are other lights which make that truck flashy ;) . How do you manage avoiding big potholes and road work in front of you in that situation. Does this skill come with experience ;) or people just drive with luck.
 
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atishmohan said:
Driving Skills On Indian Roads

My question to all Jatlanders

How do you find driving in the night when an oncoming vehicle say a truck has high beam headlights? And on top of that, not only the headlights but there are other lights which make that truck flashy ;) . How do you manage avoiding big potholes and road work in front of you in that situation. Does this skill come with experience ;) or people just drive with luck.
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Only trucks in India are having sensible drivers. More then 90% use dippers and if you using then you will find stats above 95%.
Most insensible drivers are of cars i have not seen more then 5% car drivers using dippers i think more then 90% even does not know what they are ment for.
People drive with luck at night traffic is also less people look at divider for guidence instead of road or the remain in extreme left. People also purchase blue lamps or LED's for light which gives very high illuminition much more brighter then truck lights.
 
rakeshsehrawat said:
Only trucks in India are having sensible drivers. More then 90% use dippers and if you using then you will find stats above 95%.
Most insensible drivers are of cars i have not seen more then 5% car drivers using dippers i think more then 90% even does not know what they are ment for.
People drive with luck at night traffic is also less people look at divider for guidence instead of road or the remain in extreme left. People also purchase blue lamps or LED's for light which gives very high illuminition much more brighter then truck lights.
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Well said Rakesh! I know car drivers are really rude and arrogant! They don't care about others (Not all, few cares like me ;) ). Even if you signal them(Basically High Beam On and Off multiple times), they never turn down the high beam. I always try to slow down a bit. In worst case I might end up hitting an object at lower speed which could save my life. But that slows down your trip. Does not matter. Life is precious :) not speed. Speed kills :)
 
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