You have heard now from me cannot you believe. Dear questioning in your manner is not good, should I paste myself or you may like to ask your parents or elderly family members about it. Go to some liberary pick up old news papers, go to state and centre intelligence offices, see old files you will get the answer and some paste also The whole world knows that there were two major reasons, one I mentioned above and secondly,Indira and congress couldnot tolrate Darbara singh getting popular in punjab becauase he was a jat,an educated and able administrator, so they replaced him by an uneducated and useless Giani Jail singh, this injustice and exploitation of peasantry by business class were two major reasons. By the way my personal assessment of the situation may be more authentic/accurate because Ihappened to go through all stages of punjab problem, took partin various discussions/assessments,took part in operation, attended many civil military combined meetings/discussion on the subject,but sorry friend I cannot paste tooth paste/news paper masala paste.
Dear, the situation in punjab is almost same as it is in haryana, physically jats dominate and otherwise bhapas really exploited financially/politically/socially/religiously, the peasantry is eploited by business class and contractors of religion there also, no physical torture, even that is not happening here also with jats,thanksThat's a different matter sir, I am just curious to know if BHAPPE harassed jatts in Punjab?..As far as I know jatts are the most dominant in Punjab..though Bhappes are envious of them but they can not muster the courage to talk in front...Were the Jatts tortured by bhappes?
Sir, now you count Haryana too.....so jats in Haryana are downtrodden.?.For your information..I am not talking about pre-independence era.Do you want to say that even after post independence jats were living a low grade life in haryana and punjab..were indebted, were oppressed..?Dear, the situation in punjab is almost same as it is in haryana, physically jats dominate and otherwise bhapas really exploited financially/politically/socially/religiously, the peasantry is eploited by business class and contractors of religion there also, no physical torture, even that is not happening here also with jats,thanks
Sir, now you count Haryana too.....so jats in Haryana are downtrodden.?.For your information..I am not talking about pre-independence era.Do you want to say that even after post independence jats were living a low grade life in haryana and punjab..were indebted, were oppressed..?
By the way, here is the list of CM of punjab..just count how many were jatts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chief_Ministers_of_Punjab_(India)
second, insurgency in punjab soared due to their demand for Khalistan..they wanted a separate country for sikhs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_insurgency
Sir, now you count Haryana too.....so jats in Haryana are downtrodden.?.For your information..I am not talking about pre-independence era.Do you want to say that even after post independence jats were living a low grade life in haryana and punjab..were indebted, were oppressed..?
By the way, here is the list of CM of punjab..just count how many were jatts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chief_Ministers_of_Punjab_(India)
second, insurgency in punjab soared due to their demand for Khalistan..they wanted a separate country for sikhs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_insurgency
Dear sir, you are absolutely correct in your thoughts regarding politics. I was just talking on the word "exploitation of jatts by Bhappe and how terrorism started in Punjab ( I think you did not read the whole conversation)". As far as I know after independence, specially after "Green Revolution", jat/jatts of punjab and haryana thrived in financial as well as social and political terms and they are not entitled for this so called "exploitation by bhappe". Please enlighten us about that thing.Dear Prashant Vaidwan,
Kindly make it clear in your mind that politics is a very serious affair and a political problem has to be understood by studying several factors involved into its emergence.
Caste is related with social system; politics is a game for power and several factors influence its game plans.
No politician can depend upon solely on the support of one caste in a democracy and that is a good thing for a thriving democratic system like ours.
That is why a government servant or public servant has no caste after he join the job; and dear friend the head of the government also is a public servant .
Secondly, the caste of the Chief Minister or for that matter the Prime Minister has nothing to do with upward or downward swing in caste heirarchy of the Indian social system. the same is true with a man or woman Chief Minister of a certain state as far as the social status of a man or woman is concerned remains unaffected.
Please look around, the President of India, the Chairman of the all powerful UPA steering committee, the leader of the opposition in Lok Sabha, the Speaker of the Lok Sabha, and discern the change brought about only and only due to this factor in the position of the women in India. Perhaps now you can make out what we all are saying on the issue of discussion.
Though I do not agree to division of the exploiters on caste or religion line but strongly feel that exploitative nature of money lenders as a class in the Undivided India led to fanning of communal frenzy in 1947 and it was one of the contributing factor in rising and development of the communalism in the Punjab.
Whether Jats of Haryana, Punjab or elsewhere are backward or forward is to be identified by the Commission appointed by the Government and not by Me, You or any other person through posting a thread here or there.
So enjoy and cheer up, let the political leadership find out a solution to the issues involved.
Best readings!
Dear sir, you are absolutely correct in your thoughts regarding politics. I was just talking on the word "exploitation of jatts by Bhappe and how terrorism started in Punjab ( I think you did not read the whole conversation)". As far as I know after independence, specially after "Green Revolution", jat/jatts of punjab and haryana thrived in financial as well as social and political terms and they are not entitled for this so called "exploitation by bhappe". Please enlighten us about that thing.
and for reservation thing, if jat/jatts of punjab/haryana are backward , no farming community in that state is forward. It is a different matter that everyone is taking advantage of reservation system so why should we leave behind
My dear, please visit punjab and haryan villages of jats to see the reality even today, except the family has some member in some service or member in foreign or has good land holding which is very rare means maximum two to three families holding good land, other wise most jats arejust surviving or disposing their small land. In reality even sc are batter today. learn to listen and agree, it is always batter,
My dear, please visit punjab and haryan villages of jats to see the reality even today, except the family has some member in some service or member in foreign or has good land holding which is very rare means maximum two to three families holding good land, other wise most jats arejust surviving or disposing their small land. In reality even sc are batter today. learn to listen and agree, it is always batter,
...... As far as I know after independence, specially after "Green Revolution", jat/jatts of punjab and haryana thrived in financial as well as social and political terms and they are not entitled for this so called "exploitation by bhappe". Please enlighten us about that thing....
Dear sir, It seems you are just hell-bent to sell your theory. Above statement was never TRUE and never will be. You are a responsible and experienced person so please measure teh weight of your words before you start moving your fingers. Do you agree that all Brahmins and Rajputs are living luxuriously in Haryana and Punjab and even West UP? In my village there are around 20 families of Brahmins and all of them are living marginal lives. Haryana and Punjab are in the list of most progressing states in India and Jatts are dominant in both the state socially, politically and physically..It seems ridiculous when the dominant caste of a progressing state is said backward. We need reservation and we have all different reasons to get it but that does not mean that anyone will present Jatts in front of world naked.
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.......We need reservation and we have all different reasons to get it but that does not mean that anyone will present Jatts in front of world naked.
Dear Brother, I think, the statement of hell-bent to sell your theory, is more applicable to you on this thread, so please be cool. I never said that rajputs & Brahmins are living luxurious life, Aslo I am not supporter of caste base reservation, if at all it is required. To add my above points, another draw back of our community which adds to poor ecconomical state, our people are hasitent/unable to/donot want to do so called low status work like labour, domestic help, other small services like mechanic, gardening, car washing, etc and fronkly speaking most of us donot want to try our luck with business, small or big.Also we hesitate to work with or take help from relatives and even community fellows, our big ego comes in the way. Kindly visit villages, you may find large number of young boys from our community just wasting their time without doing any thing, not even helping their parents in their small agriculture or domestic work. So brother if you are hell-bent to disagree with the truth than I withdraw from the discussion but certainly cannot agree to your wrong impression. regards
Dear sir, I never said that we don't need reservation, many things said by you are absolutely correct but can not agree with your statement "In reality even sc are batter today" . don't you think you are exaggerating the TRUTH? I can not say about the mindset of the people who have clicked the LIKE button for that post. Secondly, as far as visiting villages is concerned.. I visit it atleast 10 times more than you...believe it...spent 25 years of my life in village...from past 6-7 years, I am working..but still not so far from my village..go to my village every fortnight..so please don't think that I am not aware of the village reality..Dear Brother, I think, the statement of hell-bent to sell your theory, is more applicable to you on this thread, so please be cool. I never said that rajputs & Brahmins are living luxurious life, Aslo I am not supporter of caste base reservation, if at all it is required. To add my above points, another draw back of our community which adds to poor ecconomical state, our people are hasitent/unable to/donot want to do so called low status work like labour, domestic help, other small services like mechanic, gardening, car washing, etc and fronkly speaking most of us donot want to try our luck with business, small or big.Also we hesitate to work with or take help from relatives and even community fellows, our big ego comes in the way. Kindly visit villages, you may find large number of young boys from our community just wasting their time without doing any thing, not even helping their parents in their small agriculture or domestic work. So brother if you are hell-bent to disagree with the truth than I withdraw from the discussion but certainly cannot agree to your wrong impression. regards
Dear sir, I never said that we don't need reservation, many things said by you are absolutely correct but can not agree with your statement "In reality even sc are batter today" . don't you think you are exaggerating the TRUTH? I can not say about the mindset of the people who have clicked the LIKE button for that post. Secondly, as far as visiting villages is concerned.. I visit it atleast 10 times more than you...believe it...spent 25 years of my life in village...from past 6-7 years, I am working..but still not so far from my village..go to my village every fortnight..so please don't think that I am not aware of the village reality..
Prashant, I am not really trying to exaggerate any point, dear consider peacefully,
a) Allmost all able mail mambers in sc families have govt jobs, where as majority of jats are without jobs
b) male/female without job of sc families, go for daily wages jobs and each member earn at list rs 250/-, where as jats not
c) minimum earning of a sc couple is 150000 to 200000 where as jat having even 4 to 5 acre of land can not earn after deducting expenditure in farming this amount
d) generally noticed, jats spend more than sc on social functions, court cases etc, where as sc not,
e) sc gets cheaper electricity, easy bank loan,cheaper education, easy govt agency/contract, where as jats need triple efforts and expenditure.
f) earlier, milk and vegetables were asserts of kissan but now in these days our young male and females cannot maintain animals and growing vegetables have became the history, In fact you may see buffalo/cow in the sc houses but hardly any jat keeps animal now in these days.
g) people with work tend to spent more, so jats are at disadvantage here also.
Thus you can compare whose economical condition is batter, now brother please do not compare me with you, my age itself is more than double of you, and son, you do not know me so why to compare, look dear it is due to my weakness of having liking for jats, otherwise I do not have a second to waste and talk to people here, who have no discipline, manners and respect for others/elders.
You may be visiting villages of UP , OUR CONDITION IS DIFFERENT. PLEASE DO VISIT OUR AREA TO KNOW THE REALITY.
rakaa saab maane apki eek baat ibb tayee samajh na aayii ke app dharam ne maano ho kee ni...ek taraf aap kehtee ho kee dharam bass fuundd seee pher aap eek dharam ko chodd kee doosra dharam apnaa letee ho yaa meree kimmee samajh naa aayii...hinduism n sikhism dono eek hai sirf naam alagg see..agar kuch alagg see to aap maane bata do..jahaa tak meraa mannnaa hai insaan jab hi koi dharam badalta hai jab apne khud ke dharam se uski koi expectation purri naa hoti....to apkoo sikhism se kya milaa aap plz mujhe yee bataa doo..mai to ji 2 dharam maanta hu eek hinduism n sikhism...agar mandir aayee yaa koi gurudwara mai dono ke aage haath jodta hu....doosri baat apne bola india mai hindu corruption karte hai....bhai saab paise to sabne ache laage hee chahe hindu ho ya sardar ho ya mulla....punjab mai corruption nahi hai kyaa...waha to sikh majority mai seee.....duniya mai har baacha as a hindu paida hota hai baad mai usse log apne apne dharam se hisab se convert karte hai...jaise muulle khatna karte hai n christian baptise karte haiभाई उपेंद्र , राम कुनसे धर्म त था ?
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चाबी त मतलब एकला धन कोणी होया करे चौधर भी होया करे ...योहे रोला स के लोगा के दिमाग मे इन भ्रष्टा न चाबी त मतलब धन भर रखा स ....
इन मुसलमानो को भी पैसा दे कर देश मे आने का न्योता देने वाले भी तेरे ये अच्छे हिन्दू ही थे .....
कर्नल साहब आपकी बात ठीक हैं के घर मे रह कर घर की समस्या का समाधान हो सके स .....कोई उपाय हो तो बताए ......
इस घर (हिन्दू धर्म ) मे जाटों कौम को जाट कौम के इतिहास को सम्मान कैसे मिले ? यह लड़ाई आज कोई नई नहीं हैं बहुत पुरानी चली आ रही जिसके चलते ये सीख , आर्य समाज , बिशनोई , जैन , ईसाई, इस्लाम , बौद्ध आदि घरो का सहारा लेना पड़ा जाटों को .....
मैं भगवान न कोणी मानता ..... बाकी मैंने इन सारे सवाला के जवाब एक और थ्रेयड मे दे रखे हैं .....rakaa saab maane apki eek baat ibb tayee samajh na aayii ke app dharam ne maano ho kee ni...ek taraf aap kehtee ho kee dharam bass fuundd seee pher aap eek dharam ko chodd kee doosra dharam apnaa letee ho yaa meree kimmee samajh naa aayii...hinduism n sikhism dono eek hai sirf naam alagg see..agar kuch alagg see to aap maane bata do..jahaa tak meraa mannnaa hai insaan jab hi koi dharam badalta hai jab apne khud ke dharam se uski koi expectation purri naa hoti....to apkoo sikhism se kya milaa aap plz mujhe yee bataa doo..mai to ji 2 dharam maanta hu eek hinduism n sikhism...agar mandir aayee yaa koi gurudwara mai dono ke aage haath jodta hu....doosri baat apne bola india mai hindu corruption karte hai....bhai saab paise to sabne ache laage hee chahe hindu ho ya sardar ho ya mulla....punjab mai corruption nahi hai kyaa...waha to sikh majority mai seee.....duniya mai har baacha as a hindu paida hota hai baad mai usse log apne apne dharam se hisab se convert karte hai...jaise muulle khatna karte hai n christian baptise karte hai
OK sir, you proved it...Jats of haryana are worst than SC!!. so directly fight for the SC....start rickshaw pulling, labor in the fields of yadavs, gujjar and rajputs along with SC ..I did not know that Jats of Haryana are in such a bad condition.....
This is the true picture, Mr. Kharb is correct that financial status of jats (atleast in Haryana) is not good.
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