Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

[sunillathwal]

dowry has surevived for more than 1500 years, but does it mean it has something good to it?

Agreed with Kapil.

On a side note: If something 'bad' survived for a long time that does NOT mean anything that survives is BAD.

 

[ravichaudhary]

dowry has surevived for more than 1500 years, but does it mean it has something good to it?

Dear Seema

This may sound a little repetitive to you.

Do please try and inform yourself of your community’s history and culture, before making random comments

Dowry or Dahej was a system practiced by many communities, in which at the time of the daughter getting married she was given her share of the inheritance.

In addition she would have other rights by custom, that on the time of the birth of her children, every year on various occasions, and at the time of her children getting married the mama would bring ‘ bhath’ or gifts.

The residual property, in the case of the Jats, land/cattle etc would stay with the sons.

Now if you get married, and you get your share at the time of marriage, what problem would you have?

Today, the dowry system is abused.

If you studied your community customs, you would have found that the Khap panchayats, passed resolutions and enforced them, to avoid dowry, and excessive spending on marriages


I know many cases, where the groom has marriage with Re 1 in dowry. I would like to see more.


I am personally anti- dowry, and for an equal share of the parents assets between the children, irrespective of gender.


Please try and educate yourself on our community’s history and culture.

Please try not to make these comments at random, which are unrelated to the main thread.


Regards

Ravi Chaudhary

 

[hemanthooda]

Agreed with Kapil.

On a side note: If something 'bad' survived for a long time that does NOT mean anything that survives is BAD.

Off Topic but like to share what my Nana ji Used to say " Mangne aale ke naa toh chori byahni chahiye arr naa aap mangna chahiye"

Doest the funda of survival of fittest applies here???Just wondering Bro!!!!

 

[kapdal]

Doest the funda of survival of fittest applies here???Just wondering Bro!!!!

No it doesn't. "Survival of fittest" was used by Darwin in a very specific biological context of evolution (has no connection with cultural, social or any other kind of evolution). Likes of Richard Dawkins have written on how the phrase has been liberally misused in a lot of places where it has no application.

By the way, even in the biological context, the phrase has a greater application at genetic level than at the level of full fledged organisms (man, tiger, sparrow, etc.). Basically referring to genes that are fittest to survive and reproduce in an environment. These could be BAD genes responsible for causing diseases. Now we are totally off topic...

 

[hemanthooda]

No it doesn't. "Survival of fittest" was used by Darwin in a very specific biological context of evolution (has no connection with cultural, social or any other kind of evolution). Likes of Richard Dawkins have written on how the phrase has been liberally misused in a lot of places where it has no application.

By the way, even in the biological context, the phrase has a greater application at genetic level than at the level of full fledged organisms (man, tiger, sparrow, etc.). Basically referring to genes that are fittest to survive and reproduce in an environment. These could be BAD genes responsible for causing diseases. Now we are totally off topic...

May be relevant kapil coz Khaps are portrayed as Dracula(read animal) of society who sucks own kids & brothers/sisters Blood... err sorry off topic...lolz

 

[vijay]

May be relevant kapil coz Khaps are portrayed as Dracula(read animal) of society who sucks own kids & brothers/sisters Blood... err sorry off topic...lolz

Should we start bashing at Bram Stoker ?

 

[sunillathwal]

Little experiment with Google search regarding Khaps.

See the attached picture: only first two suggestions from google are relevant to Khaps and (no surprises) only thing associated with the khap is honor killing.

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Without any basis, some people (including some despicable Jats) have projected the khaps as murderous and barbric. Any news regarding khaps, even if it is unrelated to any 'crime' on their part, start with the introduction like "khaps, which are famous for honor killing and passing diktat against the youth who dare to fall in love, had a meeting..."

Only crime khaps can rightly be accuse of is 'being against the intra-village or intra-gotra marriages' not against the love marriage or responsible for honor-killings.

P.S. I understand that mentioning khaps and honor killings in same post (even if you are defending the khaps) actually harm the images of khaps!! (For aag lage, dhuan nahi uthta... most ppl believe it at some levels.)

 

[fateh]

See the attached picture: only first two suggestions from google are relevant to Khaps and (no surprises) only thing associated with the khap is honor killing.

View attachment 10291
Without any basis, some people (including some despicable Jats) have projected the khaps as murderous and barbric. Any news regarding khaps, even if it is unrelated to any 'crime' on their part, start with the introduction like "khaps, which are famous for honor killing and passing diktat against the youth who dare to fall in love, had a meeting..."

Only crime khaps can rightly be accuse of is 'being against the intra-village or intra-gotra marriages' not against the love marriage or responsible for honor-killings.

P.S. I understand that mentioning khaps and honor killings in same post (even if you are defending the khaps) actually harm the images of khaps!! (For aag lage, dhuan nahi uthta... most ppl believe it at some levels.)

I fully agree with you brother, khap is being dragged in all such matters whether it is invoved or not, most of our own boys/girls so called journalists write unwanted views, cannot help it we can only request them & at the same time we have to be very careful while airing our views & countreing such negative views. regards

 

[kirpal888]

sir with all regards to u but honestly i don't agree with u, bcoz the way u have made a scenario then all customs will go haywire & above all we will become like muslims where marrying cousin brothers and sisters is accepted norm. i m sorry to all liberalists b'coz i agree with decisions of revered khap panchayats as it is only social institution that is alive to observance of social norms that were endemic to our society from times immemorial.

 

[narendersingh]

Khaps have there old tested tradition and norms,tested through time.Today,s culture is changing and so called modernites can not digest the sytem prevailing.Nothing is being on 365 of kashmir,But all after the khaps.Khaps system was adopted by Maharaj Harsh Vardhan.The system is clear but it is the way how we grasp and achieve . I will say:

Khaap pratha nahee hai buree
Bakee biradaree badwaa rahee dooree
Meel baithkar sansodhan hai zaroori
Jo kamee hai usey kar do poori
Sanghathan kee vyavthaa thee
Kuchh nahee bigra abhee
Soch vichar karo sabhi
Agey naa hogaa kabhi

 

[vdhillon]

science can't override personal freedom. anything which doesn't harm a third person is not harmful for the society and is harmful only for the individuials. and if the individuals are ok with carrying on the harms, the society shouldn't intervene. believe me hooda nad navin jindal won't kill their kids if they marry within the same caste if they chose to. they will only disown like bhajanlal disowned his son, taht too for political reasons. people should but politicain's thoughts. same gotra marriages happen in many other communities like punjabi, south india. what problems you see in their offsprings?

BINGO ... You nailed it. This answers many other threads on inter-caste marriages, honor killings, gay GLBT, same gotra marriages, incestous relationships, etc. छोरी तन्ने तो इक लुहार आली ठोक दी

Baki nu e seeng uljha rahe sein. Yah moderen aur progressive hone ka avran audh kar under se dakiyanoosi hain.

 

[vdhillon]

Seema ji kyon do ghara ka naas karo ho apne ladke aur ladki ki hi shadi karwa do do ghara ki jagah ek ghar mein e sadh jagi
And if you are not married you do it

I think they are talking about you
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?22478-Is-Seema-ji-being-banned-justified

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...ustified/page2


@Seema: if you are still reading this as a non-member. Good on ya girl. Take stand, be the agent of change. Do not be cowed by ppl's adopting paternalistic or condescending view. You can make a difference, if not more, than at least to your own kids lives. You can have your own definition of being a Jat, you do not need to conform to and seek approval from Jat-taliban to be a jat. Salute to your courage and proud of you for having courage to question the basic assumptions.

 

[vdhillon]

PART-1 of 3:

I will summarize my response to the whole thread thus far in 3 parts

It summarizes
- my key learnings (areas that enhanced my knowledge),
- key points by others
- my own arugments



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POST-1: Why Discuss Topics Related to Small Number of Cases in Jat Samaj?

We are simply wasting our energy and time on an issue which is virtually non-existent. Coming generations will define their future according to their conveniences in the prevailing circumstances. If they will find the prevailing customs relevant, they will automatically adopt, if not they will reject at any cost and will find the loopholes. It is practically very difficult to constantly monitor and meticulously enforce a social boycott. These kind of boycotts are fluid in nature and not long-lasting. In our society, it is not very difficult to bribe the people. Even one bottle of whisky is enough to buy the loyalty of a Panchayat Member or a group member to ease the restrictions on a censured family. In some cases, the Panchayats/social congregations would themselves exonerate the convicted family at the time of Panchayat election if the family has substantial votes.

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-1

COMMENT-1: Additional and Unintended Benefits Accruing to JAT Society from Discussing Topics Impacting Small Number of Cases

[There may be few cases of same gotra marriages. it is still worth discussing as there are many unintended benefits or byproducts e.g.
1. if allows us to see rot in khap system,
2. challenges our inability to discuss taboo subjects,
3. forces us to rethink about creation of more liberal and mature and self confident society that is not afraid of self-critic and self review, etc.



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POST-2; Change is Constant and It Happens Only Gradually, If not Gradual Its CAOS

Marriage within gotra

As mentioned earlier there is only one thing permanent and that is "Change"

How hard we may try but we wont be able to beat it. Over the years we have changed our profession have changed, eating habbits have changed our clothes have changed. So there will be change for sure.
I am open to change but it should be gradual. Change should not happen overnight b'cos overnight changes are distructive. We can compare overnight changes with earthquake thats a change in a moment and we know what happens after that.... "CHAOS".
As community stands today we are not ready for marriage within same gotra nor with in mothers gotra. I personnaly dont favour dadi and nani gotra too.
But now a days nanni kanni karne lagge hain. May be dadi's gotra will be sidelined too .
But it should be slow n steady

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-2

Agree, customs, traditions, morals and societal norms continue to change and evolve to meet the new challenges being thrown on the society.


COMMENT-2: Its not only about the 'change' being 'Constant' but also about 'How We Harness It'
A more liberal and progressive society makes most of them, other may isolate themselves and in the process convert themselves into disconnected and disadvantaged group.


COMMENT-3: Change sometimes can be sudden and beneficial in medium to long-term
Reform and evolution is
- continuous and
- mostly gradual (with ongoing dialogue with stakeholders and creating awareness (not just academic education)) and
- sometimes sudden process but not always bad or negative (new path breaking technology, drastic events e.g. forced conversion of entire scoiety, or forced migration to new land due to various reasons). Change sometimes can be sudden and beneficial in medium to long-term e.g. Jews of america, Industrial or Telcomm or Media or Internet revolutions.

 

[vdhillon]

PART-2 of 3

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POST-3: A Gotra has common parentage and same gene pool, Bad medical consequences of same gotra procreation

Gotra is a unified common parentage social organization spread over in various states. This parentage may be of thousands of years old. Its affects, social code of conduct and behavior remains fresh and alive so long people take pride in their parentage.

The media lays stress on individual freedom of the marriage in respective relation even the marriage in same gotra but media forget the society generated from common parentage is also struggling to maintain the purity of genomes. Therefore “Sagotra” identifies itself with “Sahpind” mentioned in the Manu Smriti. Hindu marriage act avoids ‘SahPind’ marriage and is silent on “Sahgotra”marriage but to my mind ‘sahgotra’ and ‘sahpind’ are synonyms to each other, may be they are separate by hundreds of generation, in that case our social code of conduct based on ‘Manu Smriti’ allows such marriages after completion of ‘Sahpind/Sahgotra’ cycle of hundred generation as by the time our genomes could have changed. Sahgotra is a genetic map with variable degree of genomes.

Keeping the above scientific view of marriage in the Hindu society, some youth who don’t have the knowledge as described above may indulge in marriages which are incestuous which bound to result into genetic disorder in their coming generation. The Khap has reason and pronounce their verdict amounting to death sentences but in my view panchants shouldn’t reach to the conclusion while other options are available which are
a) dissolve the marriage
b) outcast the offender
c) Impose heavy financial punishment
d) exile them

But one can understand the desperation of Panchayat as they consider it as stigma on the honor of their community. The reasons attributed for such marriages can be

a) lack of family value and pride
b) modern education where in moral ethics don’t have any place
c) double standard behavior of parents in family
d) Standard of the family and social values has reduced drastically.
e) Western education and culture & media is to be blamed (but in western societies too there are number of societies who follow the genetic social order strictly.

Indian media is semi literate and therefore arguments on such sensitive issue don’t stand to the core of the issue whereas the effect is very powerful and thereby the influence on the masses is very wrong.

Society changes from time to time. Same gotra marriages are a kind of resurgence/revolution against the strict code of conduct but this is only due to as youth don’t understand the fine aspect and benefit of the social rules established thousands of years earlier. The youth of today failed to appreciate the purity of their values but remain misguided and confused by half digested knowledge published in various articles. Therefore in my point of view, it is the time that wise man of the society/community must discuss the social disorder and challenges taking place in the society. Efforts should be made to highlight the importance of social code of conducts. We must discourage sahgotra/sahpind marriages instead should allow the youth to go for inter cast marriage in Hindu society.

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-3


COMMENT-4: Racial Purity Does not Exist - based on DNA
Those claiming racial purity are making incorrect uninformed statements without taking long term and wholistic view.

- ManuSmriti is not Scientific (in the cintext fo your argument)
You are describing a theocratic view (manusmriti) using Scientific terminology (gene pool and DNA). Manu samriti does not substantiate scientific or genetic view.

- Purity of race does not exist. Latest research and DNA testing proves that each one of has varying amount of african, white, asian/orietntal and Indian gene pool. All races have varying amount of genes from other race. There is no scientific evidence of racial purity unless you are talking about a yet to be discovered tribe isolated for few thousand years.


COMMENT-5: Shredding the myth of Racial Purity based on history
- In the 4billion years history of earth, homosapien evolved only 20 or 30 thousand years ago.

- Within that time frame, earliest known reference to origin of jats is to Scythians and Massagetes of 3000 thousand years ago or aryans of 3000 to 4000 years ago (depending on which view you accept),

- with later reference to Jat kingdoms (yodhaya's inscriptions, etc) between 3rd BC to 6th AD (some argue Jats or Jarta have a diff meaning in those inscriptions, not Jats)

- More precise and trackable documentedd evidence about jats (as we know them today) exists only for last 1000 years or so.

- Even within those 1000 years it has been proven that jats, rajput of s and gurjars have similar or same origin

- jats, rajputs and gurjars may have similar origin but they themselves are admixture of various successive waves of invaders mixing with each other or local aryans absorbing those waves of invaders. This proves that their origin is not homogeneous. Hence, its futile to claim purity of race.



COMMENT-6: Genes mutate on average every 16th generation, same gotra genes will diversify after every 16 generation

- Assuming there is purity fo Jat race (which does not exist as demonstrated above), scientific research has proven that on average genes significantly mutate every 16th generation.

- Even if two people are related to same gotra (parentage), they will share some common gene (50% in first generation) and will get diluted with each successive generation because mother/father will be from diff gene pool/gotra e.g. first generation share 50% gene with common ancestor, 2nd generation will share 25% gene with common ancestor, 3rd generation will share 12.5% gene with common ancestor, and so on.

- More elapsed generation (number of generation, since common parentage), number of genes shared by two people will continue to reduce

- Within same gene pool, genes mutate every 16th generation, Making people genetically even more different (than simple generation-by-generation dilution of gene pool) from each other every 16th generation due to dramatic leap.


CONCLUSION-1: Those who use racial purity argument against same gotra marriages or inter caste marriages, their argument has been convincingly refuted from various perspectives (Scientific DNA & GENES Studies, Documented and verifiable HISTORY)



COMMENT-7: Demystifying the Myth - Potential Medical problems for marrying into same gene pool - not as profound as you think
Agreed that marriages in same gene pool may lead to birth defects, etc.
In case of an old gotra, say Dhillon is 1000+ yrs old gotra where at least 60+ 16th generation mutations have happened, I as a Dhillon, am very likely to have genetic similarity (comparative, remember genetic diff between human and chimps is only 2%, genetic diff between races and gotra etc is most likely 0.000XXX%) with another Dhillon who shared an ancestors say 100 or 200 yrs ago.
Hence, medical problems (thalassemia, etc) wont have much impact due to
(a) diluted, and
(b) mutated gene
despite having same gotra.



COMMENT-8: Freedom of Choice and Informed Decision making
Continuing the previous example of two Dhillon separated by 100 or 200 or 1000years who were to procreate

- their shared genes are already diluted and mutated.

- secondly, latest medical technology allows them to run DNA testing to see if their offspring will be at risk or not. If not at risk then medically or scientifically there is nothing that prevents them from procreation.


COMMENT-9: Those who use the scientific/medical argument against same gotra marriage, must accept that such couples can undertake medical test and they can make informed choice
(a) mostly likely no negative medical impact or

(b) if there is potential risk then they can take rpeventative measures e.g. medication, or

(c) no preventative measures exist then they can at least make an informed choice (freedom of choice of consenting adults, even if ostracised by society - this aspect discussed later) to procreate or not (note the choice of words, i didnt say marriage, to procreate marriage is not needed, im not against two adults in live in relationship or just coming together to procreate, i will accept it if my kids do it)


COMMENT-10: Those with resources, can chose to migrate to other societies where they wont be ostracised, its up to individuals to chose, no up to the society to kill them.

 

[vdhillon]

Part-3 of 3


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POST-4: Ostracization is from society.

Dear Sir
Ostracization is from society.

In cities there is already no society. People get togeather from a sector or apartments of same building and call themselves is society that doesn't mean society. Society is circle which comes to you in times of joy(marriege or some other function) or Sorrow(Someone's death or accident). In villages it was like that in good or bad times of a person people were togeather.

Jats gaon se hi hain city mein bas gaye to kya hua aaj bhi jyadatar apne dah sanskar ke liye apne gaon ki keh ke jate hain.Aaj aap amrika mein bas gaye to aap amriki thode ho jaoge?

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-4

incorrect to say cities do not have society. They do have society but differ from villages:
- an urban society is more hetrogenous comapred to homogenous rural society
- an urban society is more conducive to change
- an urban society is more mobile

Sanskar etc are chaning rapidly, there are no right or wrong sanskar. Whats right in one society is wrong in another one.


COMMENT-11: Ostracized couple can move to more accepting society, if they have willingness (after weighing pros and cons in terms of what they loose and gain) and resources.




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POST-5: Fundamental Principal - A couple is free do to whatever they want as long as they do not harm a 3rd person

science can't override personal freedom. anything which doesn't harm a third person is not harmful for the society and is harmful only for the individuials. and if the individuals are ok with carrying on the harms, the society shouldn't intervene. believe me hooda nad navin jindal won't kill their kids if they marry within the same caste if they chose to. they will only disown like bhajanlal disowned his son, taht too for political reasons. people should but politicain's thoughts. same gotra marriages happen in many other communities like punjabi, south india. what problems you see in their offsprings?

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-5

My personal favorite, she nailed it.


COMMENT-10: anything which doesn't harm a third person is not harmful for the society and is harmful only for the individuials. and if the individuals are ok with carrying on the harms, the society shouldn't intervene.





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POST-6: Society ad Moral's Impact on Personal Freedom and Laws Governing Them

Society, law and morals, by definition, put limits on personal freedoms as much as they guarantee them. How it affects other people is only one of the considerations, but NOT the only consideration. If we forget law of the land and talk about justice from first principles, then principle of greatest good of greatest numbers AS WELL AS principle of upholding the fundamental rights of any minority are important.

What you consider as insignificant may be significant to others and vice-versa. For example, someone may kill an animal sacred to a particular community during that community's festive occasion. This may be insiginificant to the members of the community who are atheist. But the religious members would be affected very siginificantly. In matters of faith, there is no objectivity. And hence laws pertaining to personal domains are hardly objective. A community majority may decide that their greatest good is in having a particular law and the rebellious minority usually has to fall in line. It doesn't matter who is right.

Anyways, personally I believe that a law on this matter is going to be ineffective; it can merely give ego massage to some and political opportunity to others. Already discussed at length.

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-6
Thanks Kapil, What a gem you have produced. Im nodding, YES YES YES.



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POST-7: Societal behavior comprised of thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis

Jakhar ji,

Societal behaviour revolves around the three concepts thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis. If history books are to be believed, there has never been a consensus in any society on any issue concerning traditions and customs or anything else. That is why there have been social upheavals in almost all the countries in every epoch. Dissensions are natural and should be accommodated with a spirit of brotherhood and positivity. The problem is that we -Jats - are least tolerant to each other's opinion and make it a point not to be flexible. Ultimately, we have to put our daggers aside and arrive at a synthesized opinion but in the process a lot of damage to the spirit of brotherhood will already be done.

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-7
Another one of my favorite gem. Copied and pasted here (just like Kapil and Seem's post) to summarize the thread and consolidate the argument in one post. VPSingh ji, age te mein thank thunk na bolunga, too many posts to thank for. Samajh jaiyo, bina formalty ke kaam chala liyo.



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POST-8: Laws are Drawn/Influenced from Societal Norms, Customs and Traditions

Human behavior can not be 100% objective, there is always a portion which is driven by subjective traits. Personal aggrandizement (It took me a while though to find the meaning of this word, had to consult the dictionary) can be defined in many aspects I suppose. Lets say a person sees someone stealing something from somewhere, a good citizen will inform the police. The informer thinks he fulfilled his duty but the thief thinks otherwise, he takes it as personal harm as you have seen in present day life. The offender (Not all may be) tries to take revenge of this. So it depends how a person perceives any action as in above example, the offender thinks that the informed must have a personal gain here otherwise why he should inform the police. Here we can not say that the offender has got freedom of life so he can do anything and later he can prove it his personal deed.

My above argument is about social and legal norms. In my opinion, social traditions, customs and moral values form a base for any kind of law. The law can not be derived from vacuum. I again reiterate that the laws/constitution are derived from social and moral values.

The age old question of chicken first or egg first is not applicable here. Certainly I believe that the social customs/traditions and moral values existed long before the legal system and the constitutions.

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-8
Another gem, that expanded the depth of my understanding.



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POST-9: Laws

Exactly!!

The laws are meant to govern society. Society should decide how it wants to be governed (that is make laws).

Social customs/traditions and moral values are made by the society and hence, any law can not simply ignore them. The challenge that comes is that customs/traditions and moral values are different for different people. So law makers decide (based on some unknown criteria) which one of these, customs/traditions and moral values, gets into a law. May be we can take a look at the UK law, where it is totally based on what the society thinks rather then what the lawmakers think.

Vishal's REPLY TO POST-9

Further refines the understanding gained in previous posts.

I will close the posts 5 to 9 with kapil's statement

Comment-12: Laws pertaining to personal domains are hardly objective, are ineffective and hard to enforce
"Laws pertaining to personal domains are hardly objective. A community majority may decide that their greatest good is in having a particular law and the rebellious minority usually has to fall in line. It doesn't matter who is right.

Anyways, personally I believe that a law on this matter is going to be ineffective; it can merely give ego massage to some and political opportunity to others. Already discussed at length."



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My personal Dronacharya of this thread: Seema, Kapil, VPSingh, Jakhar & Arvind, thnx guys, I learnt from your posts
My Hero of this thread: Seema Sindhu


Thanks and Raam Raam to all for reading.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Commenting on the issues raised in the Satyamev Jayate in 'Letters to the Editor' column Dr. Prem Singh Dahiya from Rohtak writes under caption, Disapproved by science' to shed light on the scientific aspect of intra-gotra marriages and why they are acceptable to the Jats and other Indian communities.

He goes on to state that ''All communities, be it Jats, Brahmins or others in Haryana or elsewhere do not marry in the same gotra [lineage], which means persons considered descendants of the same sage. Same gotra marriages fall within the parameters of consanguineous marriages. According to medical science research such marriages can result in any one of over 250 genetic diseases. The Arab countries are experiencing the burnt of it in the worst form as per information available on the internet.
He goes on to site Prof. JBS Haldane, an internationally renowned British bilogist, who has said that ''the Hindu way of marriage is highly scientific being a check on inbreeding, characterized by exhibition of regressive characters in the progeny.'' .......

For his views on inter caste marriage and other related details, kindly log in www.tribuneindia.com

The Tribune, dated June 15, 2012 Chandigarh edition, p. 8.

 

[rekhasmriti]

To all Sirs ,

Specially To Tewatia Sir - I m the one who has Voted No- I m not confused

Few things - me n all my those frnds brought up with same traditions - customs

We move on- continue with our lives- -- uska khandan- gaon- kaun kaun se gaotra lagta hai yeh toh nahi poochna banta dosti se pehle

isliye better yeh hai Non Jat dhoond le kam se kam is chakkar se bahar aayega .

Jan boojhkar koi aisa nahi karta- coz hum sabke andar wahin customs n all jazz bhara pada hai

2 thing - Sir g-

man lo ho gayee galti -
ab badon ka farz hai - samjhana- n support karna

ghar ka balak galti karke ghar nahi aayega - toh kya fansi khale

bhad mei gaya aisa system- which would force me - to let my son suffer just becoz he married unknowingly same gotra gal-

Humara sabse bada problem- which i have seen in many of my Jat frnds houses-

yar sab gharwalon se darte kyun hai??????????
why the gharwalas worry about system-society- relatives- but not their KIDS??????


i beleive that is why- we are drafting away from our customs n culture

yar- yeh sab humari comfort or benefit ke liye hota hai

jab koi rule -gale mei fansi dalne lage- toh usse tod do

humare customs- agar aaj ke time ke hisab se sahi nahi hai- toh badlo yar

kab badloge- jab sare fansi kha lenge ya chadha diye jayenge

simple- please grow up-
whosoever has done- purely unintentional

humare log hai yar- hum nahi maaf karenge toh kya padosi karega

jab unhe humari sabse zyada zaroorat tab aa gayee hum- aag lagane

We all proud to be Jat - n will always be-

same way they are-- but is ek cheez ke karan- woh bi sochte honge- isse badhiya Punjabi hote -

plz undertsnad their view- before things would go out of hands

aaj woh ghar aa kar bata rahe hai-

kal na bataeynge- na aayenge-

phir kitne Jat bachenge???????????? waise bhi kam hai

I m not saying this is right-

I m just saying agar " galti se galti ho jaye : toh humare log hai - plz ek chance toh banta hai

marna n maarna bahut easy hai-
par uskka effect agli sari generation bhugtegi

Regards,

 

[rekhasmriti]

Sir g ,

I always get curious when i start thinking a lot-
isliye i don't think a lot

but there is one question which i used to ask every one including my parents-

sabne ne ek hi cheez sikhayee- same gotra marraige -absolute sin n other jazz

yeh duniya - ek Adam n ek Eve se bani-

so as per that fact - we all are related - ?????????????????
so what door ke istedar hi sahi

Sir g - n jawab milta tha - yeh TV ne bigad rakha hai- kam ki bat soch liya kar ??????????

but kabhi answer nahi mila-

ab apne un sare incidents ki yad dila di ( feeling nostalgic)

Regards,

Commenting on the issues raised in the Satyamev Jayate in 'Letters to the Editor' column Dr. Prem Singh Dahiya from Rohtak writes under caption, Disapproved by science' to shed light on the scientific aspect of intra-gotra marriages and why they are acceptable to the Jats and other Indian communities.

He goes on to state that ''All communities, be it Jats, Brahmins or others in Haryana or elsewhere do not marry in the same gotra [lineage], which means persons considered descendants of the same sage. Same gotra marriages fall within the parameters of consanguineous marriages. According to medical science research such marriages can result in any one of over 250 genetic diseases. The Arab countries are experiencing the burnt of it in the worst form as per information available on the internet.
He goes on to site Prof. JBS Haldane, an internationally renowned British bilogist, who has said that ''the Hindu way of marriage is highly scientific being a check on inbreeding, characterized by exhibition of regressive characters in the progeny.'' .......

For his views on inter caste marriage and other related details, kindly log in www.tribuneindia.com

The Tribune, dated June 15, 2012 Chandigarh edition, p. 8.

 

[dndeswal]

Sir g ,


sabne ne ek hi cheez sikhayee- same gotra marraige -absolute sin n other jazz

yeh duniya - ek Adam n ek Eve se bani-

so as per that fact - we all are related - ?????????????????
so what door ke istedar hi sahi

Adam and Eve? What is the proof that this 'duniya' is the generation of Adam & Eve? Just a fairy tale from Bible !

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[drrajpalsingh]

Sir g ,

I always get curious when i start thinking a lot-
isliye i don't think a lot

but there is one question which i used to ask every one including my parents-

sabne ne ek hi cheez sikhayee- same gotra marraige -absolute sin n other jazz

yeh duniya - ek Adam n ek Eve se bani-

so as per that fact - we all are related - ?????????????????
so what door ke istedar hi sahi

Sir g - n jawab milta tha - yeh TV ne bigad rakha hai- kam ki bat soch liya kar ??????????

but kabhi answer nahi mila-

ab apne un sare incidents ki yad dila di ( feeling nostalgic)

Regards,

Kindly comment on findings of scientific studies recommending adoption of Indian marriage system's feature which forbids same gotra marriages propounded and accepted as good by WHO an organ of UNO.

Are the scientific studies carried out throughout world are influence by the Jats or the soft target of media attack ages old Khaps.

According to me, under the influence of media blitz, the youth of today cannot be made to accept the traditions and conventions as practised by the society for the ages.
If the health hazards be brought to the notice of our children from an early age, they will not go astray and then, and then only, there would not rise question of punishing them.

Regards