Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostracized... Yes or No ?

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prashantacmet said:
You are just overshadowed by Bhappe driver media!..don't you?..and believe me you r not so acquainted with this khap and bhai chara so better to stop arguing baselessly :). What's the need to change an old tradition when it is still convincing to an overwhelming population..if old things are hard to carry..go get rid of religious belief first...thes ereligions had been created thousands of years ago..why still are carrying that burden?..Mohhamamed said something thousands years ago still40% of the world population is carrying his words....Guru gobind singh asked to put on "kesh kada kangha kachh kripaan" due to circumstances of 400 years before....to protect themselves in war..why a huge people of sikhs is still following that?..why don'y you educate people about it that there is no use of these things in this modern time..you are scared......... Hmm...you will be accused of blasphemy , may be ostracized or killed!...Ram/krishan were born thousands of year ago..still people are celebrating diwali..??
so if above things are still going on what's wrong in following our traditions..and how are we culprit?
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So you now know enough about me to pass judgements about me?

What has my religion or Guru Gobind's teachings got to do with anything discussed here? if you are too interested, open a thread and I will respond. What you are using is called a strawman argument. Just because my religion/community has some points that are debatable, all of my views and opinions are untrue, right? But I will respond nevertheless -

Regarding tradition, even with respect to religion, we pick and choose dont we? Depending upon our conveniences. So should be the case be with customs. But at the end of the day it has to be personal choice. Maybe I keep Kesh and wear a turban, maybe I dont. Thats upto me. Yes, Guru Gobind Singh asked all Sikhs to wear the 5 Ks. They also asked a lot of other things all mentioned in the Granth Sahib. Does everybody follow all of them? People pick and choose and that should be the way to practice religion. No one should be forced to adopt a custom or practice. I am thankful my parents gave me the choice to do so.
 
swaich said:
I think we have reached a stage where we will probably resort to personal comments (we already have) if the discussion continues. Its best to avoid this thread unless someone brings up a new point/angle to the issue.
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What about you working with TOI? :suspicion:
 
swaich said:
Pretty convenient. Perhaps when it will hit closer home, you'd realize.





As compared to what? Yours? Who believes laws set hundreds of years ago and dont account for any changes in society since then?






Thank for the correction. Reach them yet?

Perhaps the one who should be ashamed is the one who condones the deaths of people, just to justify his false beliefs.
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False beliefs? Compared to what?
 
swaich said:
So you now know enough about me to pass judgements about me?

What has my religion or Guru Gobind's teachings got to do with anything discussed here? if you are too interested, open a thread and I will respond. What you are using is called a strawman argument. Just because my religion/community has some points that are debatable, all of my views and opinions are untrue, right? But I will respond nevertheless -

Regarding tradition, even with respect to religion, we pick and choose dont we? Depending upon our conveniences. So should be the case be with customs. But at the end of the day it has to be personal choice. Maybe I keep Kesh and wear a turban, maybe I dont. Thats upto me. Yes, Guru Gobind Singh asked all Sikhs to wear the 5 Ks. They also asked a lot of other things all mentioned in the Granth Sahib. Does everybody follow all of them? People pick and choose and that should be the way to practice religion. No one should be forced to adopt a custom or practice. I am thankful my parents gave me the choice to do so.
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you were so quick and quite annoyed in responding. you just closed your eyes and did not read what i wanted you to read..I also wrote about Islam and Ram/krishna..but you did not see that.now first let me clarify you i have nothing against your religion..you and me are same..JAT..religion comes second for me , race first..except our village all 5 villages of our gotra are sikhs..and we still have dense bhai-chara and affection irrespective of religion..But this is how people lose their nerves when some one assault on their believes..and you are attacking on khap believes in the same way...hope u get something now!
 
I think he is the same journalist from chandigarh who work for TOI. Just avoid him. i had my doubts before now its clear.
 
prashantacmet said:
you were so quick and quite annoyed in responding. you just closed your eyes and did not read what i wanted you to read..I also wrote about Islam and Ram/krishna..but you did not see that.now first let me clarify you i have nothing against your religion..you and me are same..JAT..religion comes second for me , race first..except our village all 5 villages of our gotra are sikhs..and we still have dense bhai-chara and affection irrespective of religion..But this is how people lose their nerves when some one assault on their believes..and you are attacking on khap believes in the same way...hope u get something now!
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I was quick but wasn't annoyed at all. I have been at forums for 10 years now and know stamping furiously on the keyboard wont solve anything.

I responded about Sikhism because that's the religion I know the most. I cant profess to be an expert on Hinduism or Islam. I have studied Sikhism to understand its meanings though I cany say I am an expert.

And I agree Jats aren't pro-religion. If you'd remember my post on another thread I had mentioned how Jats are the least religious amongst Sikhs. Regarding an assault on the beliefs, you should read all my posts on this thread. I started out posting in a very understanding manner but I saw people got too defensive and began accusations. Rest I feel one should always express their views even if everybody else thinks otherwise. One just needs to talk logically.
 
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VirJ said:
I think he is the same journalist from chandigarh who work for TOI. Just avoid him. i had my doubts before now its clear.
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What journalist? Can somebody please tell me who am I suspected to be? I cant resist laughing though. ;)
 
swaich said:
No, I rely on 3 years of hard work of condensing local and globally accepted laws into one big constitution done by a very able man called Ambedkar along with a crack team. .....
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Undoubtedly Ambedkar did contribute a lot in drafting the constitution, but explain what do you mean by 'Crack team.' Are you really aware what you are saying about the great founding fathers of our constitution, the members of the Constituent Assembly!!
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
Undoubtedly Ambedkar did contribute a lot in drafting the constitution, but explain what do you mean by 'Crack team.' Are you really aware what you are saying about the great founding fathers of our constitution, the members of the Constituent Assembly!!
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Sir, crack means 'well trained/one of the best'. Its a military lingo, though used more in the western media. Eg. "A crack team of commandos assaulted the complex and freed the hostages."

But I am surprised you found a fault in my post but saw nothing objectionable in the post I quoted in my original post!!
 
swaich said:
I was quick but wasn't annoyed at all. I have been at forums for 10 years now and know stamping furiously on the keyboard wont solve anything.

I responded about Sikhism because that's the religion I know the most. I cant profess to be an expert on Hinduism or Islam. I have studied Sikhism to understand its meanings though I cany say I am an expert.

And I agree Jats aren't pro-religion. If you'd remember my post on another thread I had mentioned how Jats are the least religious amongst Sikhs. Regarding an assault on the beliefs, you should read all my posts on this thread. I started out posting in a very understanding manner but I saw people got too defensive and began accusations. Rest I feel one should always express their views even if everybody else thinks otherwise. One just needs to talk logically.

Btw, I almost married a Baidwan girl from Uttarakhand. :) They were originally from Ludhiana but had settled in Rudrapur area for about 2 generations.
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Hmm..tu to riste-daar likdya...:)by the way wo log basically ludhiyana ke bhi nahi honge..baidwan has just four villages in punjab all are in chandigarh..sohana, kumbra, mataur and mauli....pata karna kaun sa pind hai unka.:)
 
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prashantacmet said:
Hmm..tu to riste-daar likdya...:)by the way we log basically ludhiyana ke bhi nahi honge..baidwan has just four villages in punjab..sohana, kumbra, mataur and mauli....pata karna kaun s apin dhai unka.:)
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Na bhai. Ab nahi pata karwana. Varna ghar wali se bahut chittar padenge. That chapter is long closed. :)
 
swaich said:
So in the section I quoted above, you chose to accept the findings
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Kindly explain the base of your formulation of this opinion. I have neither said nor subscribe to it. Same gotra marriages must be discouraged in view of scientific studies results as well as on the basis of Indian societal values and ethos. OK.
 
swaich said:
Btw, I almost married a Baidwan girl from Uttarakhand. :) They were originally from Ludhiana but had settled in Rudrapur area for about 2 generations.
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What 'almost'........!!!! Either married or did not marry. Even if you had married to the girl in question, then what that matter has to do with this thread discussion; kindly throw light.
 
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DrRajpalSingh said:
Kindly explain the base of your formulation of this opinion. I have neither said nor subscribe to it. Same gotra marriages must be discouraged in view of scientific studies results as well as on the basis of Indian societal values and ethos. OK.
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1. Please share these scientific studies which discourage same-gotra marriages.
2. I think Supreme Court allowed same gotra marriage 40 years back. Its only a few communities still holding on to these customs.
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
What 'almost'........!!!! Either married or did not marry. Even if you had married to the girl in question, then what that matter has to do with this thread discussion; kindly throw light.
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That post was off-topic. This wasnt the first ever off topic post on this thread or any other.
 
swaich said:
1. Please share these scientific studies which discourage same-gotra marriages.
2. I think Supreme Court allowed same gotra marriage 40 years back. Its only a few communities still holding on to these customs.
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For answer to 1, kindly turn to earlier posts quoted on the topic.
Regarding point 2, kindly further enlighten us about the Case no. and contents of the SC decision.

Thanks.
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
But, you being an intelligent person, it is not expected from you to be counted among those 'others'.
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Thanks, I have deleted that sentence. It was unnecessary.

May I ask again, why did you only question me about that Constitution post and not the person I quoted?
 
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