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[desijat]

भाई तू आड़े भारत में ना रहणा चाहवे था ,चाल्या गया । इब्ब इह देश का पेंडा छोड़ ,हाम आप संभाल ल्यांगे ,आड़े हामने रहणा स तन्ने नहीं ।

तो आप ये कह रहे है जो लोग देश से बाहर है वो देश के नही रहे? वो गद्दार है और वो देश के बारे में सोचना छोढ़ दे?
आती निंदनिया है आपका ये जवाब और आप की ये सोच ...

 

[vicky84]

Even if you look at recruitment process for IFS, it has nothing to do with the profession. One fit all bureaucracy cannot serve the purpose. People get selected from one exam which is so generalized. I wonder what is the purpose of such recruitment. It is a waste!!!

I agree on this one. Our IFS lot is filled by folks who are no doubt intelligent but unsure how well networked or how much outgoing. We do have smart folks like Navtej Sarna and Nirupama Rao but they are only a few and the staff that supports them carry the same govt job attitude as in India.

 

[desijat]

But to think of political choices, we again have a few to choose from. Not many ministers understand or have requires technical knowledge the portfolio they run.

Even if you look at recruitment process for IFS, it has nothing to do with the profession. One fit all bureaucracy cannot serve the purpose. People get selected from one exam which is so generalized. I wonder what is the purpose of such recruitment. It is a waste!!!

 

[vicky84]

Completely agree with this ! Either they don't know or if they know they don't want to do anything. Congress has been in power for so long. Congress is the party which could have brought these reforms. But they never did!

But to think of political choices, we again have a few to choose from. Not many ministers understand or have requires technical knowledge the portfolio they run.

 

[desijat]

I think you are getting below the belt here and getting way to personal. I suggest you to be in the mutually respectable limits, I dont want to reply to you just because I wouldnt want to get down to your level and bring in the family. You are an elder on Jatland, please behave like one to earn respect, dont make shallow comments to someone who refuses to accept your viewpoint.

Thank you and Mind your business henceforth.

तू एक नंबर का झुट्ठा/नकली माणस स । तेरा कोए देश-वेश ना स । तेरे बर्गा काल ने न्यू कह्वेगा अक माँ / दादी बूढ़ी होगी अर बीमार भी स ,इह पे क्यूँ पिस्से खरच करने ।इहने पड़ोसियाँ के बागा दयो अर ना ते सड़क पे गेर आओ ।

 

[desijat]

Again, agreed but if any party bring these reforms they would be shooting in the foot. We have one of the most experience person in HRD, lets see if he can bring any change.

Completely agree with this ! Either they don't know or if they know they don't want to do anything. Congress has been in power for so long. Congress is the party which could have brought these reforms. But they never did!

 

[vicky84]

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[sanjeev1984]

laage se yu thread bhi jaldiye bandh hon aala sai...

 

[swaich]

I agree with you. But need of hour is to create employment opportunities there. It can be done but a political will is required. I have said many times, without reforming our bureaucracy, we cannot achieve this goal at all. Our Foreign Services is not competitive enough to deal with rising global challenges. China is far advanced in its foreign policies. They have diplomats whereas we have arrogant,lethargic, uncompetitive bureaucrats. Without fixing up these issues, I don't think we can succeed in any of the sector, be it governance, diplomacy or anything else.

Employment opportunities are a good measure, but a short-term one. We are hoping they forget their demands for independence if they have comfortable jobs. In the meantime there are spates of violence and intifada style demonstrations. It will take a long time to win them back, even with jobs.

 

[ravinderjeet]

I think you are getting below the belt here and getting way to personal. I suggest you to be in the mutually respectable limits, I dont want to reply to you just because I wouldnt want to get down to your level and bring in the family. You are an elder on Jatland, please behave like one to earn respect, dont make shallow comments to someone who refuses to accept your viewpoint.

Thank you and Mind your business henceforth.

तन्ने मेरे लेवल ताहीं पडन / उट्ठण खातर कई बे जनम लेणा पडेगा । यु एक खुल्ला मंच स ,जा इह पे कोए मेरी माँ भारती को तोड़ने की बात करेगा , तो उसको इस्सी प्रकार का जबाब दिया जाएगा । तू हामने कौए न्युन्दा दे के ने ना बुलाया था । आपने देश तोड़ने के बीचार आपने धोरे राख ।जाटलैंड पे -ए देख ले बोट गिरवा के ,किः की कितनी स रस्पेक्ट ,जो हारेगा वो हमेशा खातर जाटलैंड छोड़ दे गा ,मंजूर स ते कर के देख ले ।

 

[ravinderjeet]

Atish, if you think about it rationally, Desi has made a very practical observation. What's the point of keeping a group of people forcibly with you when they dont want to? Giving it to Pakistan isnt an option as our water resources are all in Kashmir or via Kashmir. And the fact is that even Kashmiris today want independence and even straight thinking Pakistani analysts realize this. So if we conduct a plebiscite today, with Azadi, Pakistan and India as options. I am afraid India might end up as the last sought choice.

There are other factors at play here. Jammu and Ladakh are definitely pro-India so that just leaves the Kashmir valley. And even if Kashmiris are allowed to proceed on their own, there is an ever-present danger of Pakistan forcibly imposing its will, the way it did in 1948. After all, their entire political stance against India has been built on the premise that Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. So they wont let an independent Kashmir stay so for long. Plus, after having spent so many men and materials, and foght over it globally, India cant risk a plebiscite. Bit if you ask non-Kashmiris living in kashmir - the army, bureucrats, journalists, the last chance India had of winning back Kashmiri hearts was in the late 80s. But now much water has flowed in the Jhelum and the bitter truth is that majority of Kashmiris dont consider themselves Indians.

फेर खालिस्तान क्यूँ ना दिया ? उन् ने भी क्यूँ धिन्ग्ताने पकड़ के बेठे सो ? कांग्रेस ने-ए शुरू करवाया था ना वो आन्दोअल्न भी ।

 

[desijat]

Sirf aap ka desh nahi hai, hum sabka hai aur hum sab isi desh ke nagrik hai jise is desh ka savindhan ne ye hak deta hai ki wo apne vichar rakh sake. Mere vichar mere alawa aur bhi logo ne kahe hai aur isi forum main kahe hai, shayad aap ko wo dikhte nahi ya aap dekhna nahi chahte.

Aap ko nahi pasand to mat padiye par mere hak pe sawal mat uthaiye aur uthana hai to ek sabhya aadmi ki tarah, sabhya bhasha ka proyog kar ke kahiye, aur agar ye nahi ho sakta ho kripya kar ke reply na kare.

EK kahavat hai, kisi cheez ki kadra janni ho to usse door raho isilie kabhi desh ki kadra janni ho to unse door rahne wale logo se pucho uski asli kadra kya hai, unhone na sirf duniya dekhi hai par wo apne desh se door rah kar uski asli keemat bhi pahchante hai.

तन्ने मेरे लेवल ताहीं पडन / उट्ठण खातर कई बे जनम लेणा पडेगा । यु एक खुल्ला मंच स ,जा इह पे कोए मेरी माँ भारती को तोड़ने की बात करेगा , तो उसको इस्सी प्रकार का जबाब दिया जाएगा । तू हामने कौए न्युन्दा दे के ने ना बुलाया था । आपने देश तोड़ने के बीचार आपने धोरे राख ।

 

[desijat]

Employment is one stop solution for all miseries, kaam hoga to na kejriwal ke dharne mein 2 roti ke lalach main log jayenge, na godhra main aag lagayenge aur na bus bhar bhar ke rallyo main jayenge. Fir rajneeti hogi muddo pe jise log apni samajh anusar parkhenge..

But I guess this is a dream thought too soon

Employment opportunities are a good measure, but a short-term one. We are hoping they forget their demands for independence if they have comfortable jobs. In the meantime there are spates of violence and intifada style demonstrations. It will take a long time to win them back, even with jobs.

 

[vicky84]

I also believe in free societies! Don't want a Chinese model in the country. But may be sometimes you have to take some tough measures until peace is restored! But eventually a free society must be the goal!

Employment opportunities are a good measure, but a short-term one. We are hoping they forget their demands for independence if they have comfortable jobs. In the meantime there are spates of violence and intifada style demonstrations. It will take a long time to win them back, even with jobs.

 

[swaich]

फेर खालिस्तान क्यूँ ना दिया ? उन् ने भी क्यूँ धिन्ग्ताने पकड़ के बेठे सो ? कांग्रेस ने-ए शुरू करवाया था ना वो आन्दोअल्न भी ।

When did Khalistan come into this? Going by your last few posts, I think you are out of logical points and just are ranting in anger. Cool down.

Desh jitna aapka hai, utna hi sabka. Aap akele desh prem ka maap dand nahin bana sakte. Yahan sabko apne desh se barabar hi prem hai. Bas kuch aankhen moond ke kadvi sachai se door bhagte hain aur kuch sachai kehne ka sahas rakhte hain. Rest as they, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

 

[swaich]

Employment is one stop solution for all miseries, kaam hoga to na kejriwal ke dharne mein 2 roti ke lalach main log jayenge, na godhra main aag lagayenge aur na bus bhar bhar ke rallyo main jayenge. Fir rajneeti hogi muddo pe jise log apni samajh anusar parkhenge..

But I guess this is a dream thought too soon

Not necessarily. Lack of employment opportunities may be a factor in separatism but there are other cases when this wasnt so. Punjab for example. People were well off but still the state was burnt in separatist fire. Even Kashmir was relatively well off until the 80s when hordes of Kashmiri youth went across the border to receive armed training. The unemployment and lack of opportunities that we see in Kashmir today wasn't always the case and in a way was a result of a disturbed atmosphere.

In Kashmir's case, as many times elsewhere the central govt. bungled big time. First it was Nehru who dismissed Sheikh Abdullah's legitimate govt and then there were on off instances of booth capturing and rigged elections. This continued for more than 30 years until the late 80s, when Pakistan turned its Mujaheddin infrastructure towards training Kashmiri youth. This started a downward spiral of violence that continues to this day. I would recommend reading Curfewed Night by Basharat Peer, a first hand account of events in Kashmir that led to terrorism and its after-effects on ordinary Kashmiris.

 

[ravinderjeet]

When did Khalistan come into this? Read your post again.What you asking for Kashmir same is also applicable for khaalistaan.
Going by your last few posts, I think you are out of logical points and just are ranting in anger. Cool down.

Desh jitna aapka hai, utna hi sabka. Aap akele desh prem ka maap dand nahin bana sakte. Yahan sabko apne desh se barabar hi prem hai. Bas kuch aankhen moond ke kadvi sachai se door bhagte hain aur kuch sachai kehne ka sahas rakhte hain. Rest as they, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. (that was Nehru and all other congressies)

Do you think that out of hundred people of this form,only both of you , think logically?

 

[swaich]

Do you think that out of hundred people of this form,only both of you , think logically?

Cant speak of others, but you certainly seemed to be writing more with your heart than your head.

And please get the notion out of your head that abusing Nehru/Gandhi or Congress is anyway offensive to me. Carry on at my pleasure. Doesn't matter to me. Just dont expect me to accept it as a reply to my post.

 

[ravinderjeet]

Cant speak of others, but you certainly seemed to be writing more with your heart than your head.

And please get the notion out of your head that abusing Nehru/Gandhi or Congress is anyway offensive to me. Carry on at my pleasure. Doesn't matter to me. Just dont expect me to accept it as a reply to my post.

तावला -ए भाज लिया । जबाब कोणी थारे धोरे । तम दोनु कुतर्क करो सो ।

 

[swaich]

तावला -ए भाज लिया । जबाब कोणी थारे धोरे । तम दोनु कुतर्क करो सो ।

Jo marji samjho sir. Aapki icha.