Ravi ji and Phool Kumar ji, with all due respect to both of you and your experience, most of our discussions get bogged down by a blame game. We end up blaming the govt., media, other communities and what not. But that hasn't led us anywhere. It does tell us about the stereotypes people have about Jats and the kind of adjectives used for Jats but we are still unable to counter it.
Worse still, is the last option suggested by Mr. Tomar. It is indeed the last option and hinges on desperation. Jats dont want to act like Shiv Sena because that will be like playing into the hands of those who dont like Jats. They propagate the notion that Jats are uneducated, violence prone and backward. And by attacking media offices or journalists we would only be solidifying those notions. Moreover, Shiv Sena is virtually toothless outside of Mumbai and if Jats wish to conquer the world we have to stop thinking about following the antics of such 'gali ke sher' organizations.
So we have to be smart about this. Rajpal Dular ji shares numerous anti-Congress, anti-sham secular pics and memes/captioned pictures. Without being sarcastic, that is creativity right there! Why cant something similar be put together that is pro-Jats? We need creative people who are also adept at using web tools and social media. Create webpages, memes, pictures with captions. It has to be witty, positive and informative. Once it is picked up by social media, it will become popular on its own.
To give you an example, I dont know how many of us have seen it, but on FB and YT there are videos on the joke about "12 baj gaye' on Sikhs. People have actually gone out and made videos that bust such myths and reverse the tables on people who make such jokes. Those videos are nothing fancy but connect with the youth and make people think.
Another thing, based on my interactions, I have a feeling many young, educated, urban, professional Jats are uncomfortable with the fact that they are Jats. They wish to disassociate themselves from the rural Jats and everything that connects them to Khaps, backwardness etc. The negative perceptions held by people and propagated by media have made them conscious of their identity and wish not to bring it up. We need a change in mindset of these people. As Samar alluded, we must first start internally. Show our younger, urban, upwardly mobile generation the pride associated with being Jats. We have to show them that its nothing to hide. Every community has positives and negatives. Jats just need to focus on their positives as the negatives have been covered enough by the media.
1) When he became PM of India first time in 2005 and as he was not an MP from Loksabha but Rajyasabha, he was offered to contest from Rohtak as at that time Rohtak seat was vacant because Senior Hooda was moved to chair of CM of Haryana......But PM refused to be representative from a Jat dominant seat.... hope you know this fact.......
2) 1984 anti-sikh riots h
अखबार के पन्ने पे लिखे को जो सच समझते हैं ,वे उनकी नादानी हैं ,जो पन्ने के पीछे अनलिखा हे ,उसको पढ़ सके वो ग्यानी हे ।
1) When he became PM of India first time in 2005 and as he was not an MP from Loksabha but Rajyasabha, he was offered to contest from Rohtak as at that time Rohtak seat was vacant because Senior Hooda was moved to chair of CM of Haryana......But PM refused to be representative from a Jat dominant seat.... hope you know this fact.......
2) 1984 anti-sikh riots h
अखबार के पन्ने पे लिखे को जो सच समझते हैं ,वे उनकी नादानी हैं ,जो पन्ने के पीछे अनलिखा हे ,उसको पढ़ सके वो ग्यानी हे ।
To bhai ji, aap bhi is fact ko jaante hain ki, PM ne Rohtak se MP banna refuse kiya thaa.....???
हाँ ,उसको शायद 5 जगह में से कहीं से भी चुनाव लड़ने के लिए कहा गया था । उसमे रोहतक भी एक था ।
[/QUOTE]1) When he became PM of India first time in 2005 and as he was not an MP from Loksabha but Rajyasabha, he was offered to contest from Rohtak as at that time Rohtak seat was vacant because Senior Hooda was moved to chair of CM of Haryana......But PM refused to be representative from a Jat dominant seat.... hope you know this fact.......
2) 1984 anti-sikh riots happened under the government of Bhajan Lal in Haryana and was a mass reaction as result of assessination of the then PM Indira Gandhi....but it was launched and still today seen or launched as Jats versus Sikh riots....which you can also see in looking Delhi state government structure.....where no Jats is in any kind of cabinet.....and that too even after Jats being the natives of Delhi.....and more than 15% of population....
Fact is that this all game of media is played with the hidden agenda of dividing society as Jats versus non-jats and to evoke them to take laws in their hands and then to repeat the 1984, but this time rest of the society against Jats......rest is your personal views on how you see these observations......
QUOTE=Samarkadian;328881]I meant that let us know the involvement of PM and govt in this media thing. Support your initial argument of PM and govt with your backing and reasons which you claimed. If you are not able to support it then it would be merely taken as your own prejudices about PM being a Bhapa. So let us know in detail. Establish your case.
Jats ke pass social achievements, measurements and references ka koi system hi nahin hai, jiski vjaha se koi bhi gaon se oothkar city mein ja ke thodi si bhi personal development kar leta hai to apne aap ko caste se ooper maan baithata hai....aur as you said wish karne lag jata hai ki main Jats ke tab se kaise pind chhutaaun......
Could you please elaborate what you mean by measurements and references? How is it different in the case of Jats as compared to other rural or semi-rural communities
[/QUOTE]Political point of view se is fact ko samjhne ki kosis kijiye....rest maine mere point ke support mein facts rakh diye hain....aap inmen kuchh aur dekhte hain to aapki point of view hai.....aur meri aapse different....so its ok, itni difference of opinion chalti hai....
with due respect to you Samar, this is my last response to you....I would be responding wherever I find necessary, even on your posts and views too but for this post...I think whatever I wanted to say with you...I have said....
Okay now we have your reasons which you termed as facts.
1. You are projecting that even if he was offered but he did not choose it? Why did he not choose it because it was a jat dominated consitutuency and he got mad in his mind to take a revenge from jats through TOI and other sources of media ? Okay make sense? No, not at all. anything substantial in your claim of his involvement or merely he is a Bhapa and he thought to revenge ?
2. Why there is no Jat in cabinet in Delhi and Why media is against us through PM? Makes sense , No, not at all again. Riots were not Jats and Sikhs but Congress workers versus sikhs. What PM has to do against Jats in that?
I have put my views in a poetric way, and you may also respond to points raised in this poem:
जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें:
मैं थारा वंशज सूं दादा, जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें,
नरम लक्ष्य (soft target) क्यूँ बणी खाप जो लोकतंत्र रही सदियाँ तें?
दाणन्द का स्य्धांत आर्यसमाज, मनै ब्यरासत म्ह थारी पाया,
जडै भी आर्यों के मेळए भरे, सबतें अगाड़ी मन्नें भरया हुम्बाया|
ज्यन्दगी के च्यार पड़ाव, 25-25 साल्ले थाह्म-नैं-ए यू पढवाया,
फेर 16 साल म्ह ब्याह करण का, यू फर्मुल्ला क्याँ नैं सुझाया?
इह्सा के घोळ बेठ ग्या थारे भीतर म्ह, डरे थम क्याँ तें?
मैं थारा वंशज सूं दादा, जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें,
चाऊमीन के इह्सा, घी-दूध तें भी बाध्धू होग्या?
अर कूण खा चाऊमीन, मैडल हमनें द्य्वाग्या?
दूध के बालल्ट तै थारे लाल्लां नैं, ढोल्लाँ ओज दिए,
फेर भी कहो, लोच्छर बाहर के खाणे नैं खो दिए?
आशिकी टपकै बाहरले खाणे म्ह, फेर हीर-रांझे आये कड़े तें?
मैं थारा वंशज सूं दादा, जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें,
गाम-गोत की स्यक्षा पोहंचे धुर लग, इसके जाब्ते के थारे?
लोकतंत्र थारा ईतणा लचीला, बोतल ज्यूँ ब्यना डाट की रे|
भों कोए स्यन्गर ले थारे पै, स्याणा हो चाहे कुतरू काहल का रे,
चुल्हे आळी चिमनी थमनें, खुल्ली छोड राख्खी ब्यना छतरी के?
के साहनी-के मीडिया, बूँद सी टपका दें-घर भर ज्या धुम्में तें|
मैं थारा वंशज सूं दादा, जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें,
या दुनियां खसमां नैं खाणी, क्यूँ खसम इसके थम हो रे?
मूर्ती-स्मारक थामनें बणाए नीह, फेर भी सारे थारे स्यर हो रे|
सारे बणा रे ब्यन होयें भी, थामें होंदें-होंदें भी क्यूँ ब्यखो रे?
औरां के लिए बणा भतेरे, इब आपणयाँ की सोधी ले ल्यो रे|
के बतावांगे आगै थारे नातियाँ नैं, अक म्हारे बड्डे थे कूण-कड़े तें?
मैं थारा वंशज सूं दादा, जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें,
बलात्कारी हो चहे पेट म्ह मारणिया, दुष्ट तै दुष्ट हो सै,
कलानौर की बोर काढणियो, या बोर एक और काढणी होरी सै|
बीर सस्कै थारे होंदें, बताओ या कुणसी धाड़ आण पड़ी सै?
फुल्ले-भगत दुखी हो टंडवाळऐ कोळा, यू गड्या कुणसी खूंट सै?
खापलैंड की रूह कांपती, याह लगी ब्यछोह कुणसी अळसेट तें?
मैं थारा वंशज सूं दादा, जवाब दियो म्यरे, धीरज तें,
नरम लक्ष्य क्यूँ बणी खाप जो लोकतंत्र रही सदियाँ तें?
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Another thing, based on my interactions, I have a feeling many young, educated, urban, professional Jats are uncomfortable with the fact that they are Jats. They wish to disassociate themselves from the rural Jats and everything that connects them to Khaps, backwardness etc. The negative perceptions held by people and propagated by media have made them conscious of their identity and wish not to bring it up. We need a change in mindset of these people. As Samar alluded, we must first start internally. Show our younger, urban, upwardly mobile generation the pride associated with being Jats. We have to show them that its nothing to hide. Every community has positives and negatives. Jats just need to focus on their positives as the negatives have been covered enough by the media.
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2) 1984 anti-sikh riots happened under the government of Bhajan Lal in Haryana and was a mass reaction as result of assessination of the then PM Indira Gandhi....but it was launched and still today seen or launched as Jats versus Sikh riots....which you can also see in looking Delhi state government structure.....where no Jats is in any kind of cabinet.....and that too even after Jats being the natives of Delhi.....and more than 15% of population....
On the topic I believe that the fault lies with-in us, yes!
Khaps are an institution and we behave like one, responsibly but often either can not communicate or end up communicating a lot. If you take a note of controversies they have been often sparked by small time leader trying to seek attention and it was onus to punish them, not doing to only encourages more small time leaders to speak again.
We cant tell media how to behave, nor should we even try to but we must manage our communications effectively. Let us start by having designated speakers for Khaps only who shall speak to media. I have seen many good and educated speakers, I wonder why cant we restrict ourselves to just them?
I meant that let us know the involvement of PM and govt in this media thing. Support your initial argument of PM and govt with your backing and reasons which you claimed. If you are not able to support it then it would be merely taken as your own prejudices about PM being a Bhapa. So let us know in detail. Establish your case.
Also, in Media, Police, Advocates and Courts etc money plays a big role. No wonder if they speak against institutions which has no money.
Wondering if we should start funding Khaps?? May be required in this capitalist era.
Fund for what?
Also, it will end up creating a divide among khaps.
one more brutal attempt in today's TOI
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...s-for-girls-in-Hisar/articleshow/17933563.cms
(Comment from one reader)
Misleading Headline. 1. It is not a KHAP Panchayat, It is only a village panchayat. KHAP word added by journalist for more views. 2. Banning of liquor must be appreciated. Most of rowdy elements and anti social behavior in villages is due to liquor. 3. However, Banning of jeans is a retrograde decision and should be opposed. 4. For those who do not know what DJ PARTY means, it is a event where all rowdy elements gather under the influence of alcohol and play sh**ty songs like HONEY SINGH. So, decision to ban it is also good.
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