पी एम हो तो मोदी जैसा...........
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Shri Mohanji Bhagwat in his speech says that people with good family values dont let women bow in front of them. View attachment 16225
ankurmalik
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Yes dear, thats hypocrisy. Well dear, of late some ridiculous statements have been made by VHP leader and RSS leaders. People following them must learn that they do not follow what they preach. They are using Hindu agenda to get votes. I think there is a huge section in India, which feel insecure without them. May be thats why they follow. But time is changing. With new technologies and modernisation, rational thinking is emerging. People will reject irrational ideas ,old beliefs, blind faiths and superstitiousness. So dear, change is inevitable and continous. Don;t worry. More people educate, more people will know.
Cheers.
ankurmalik
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Dear SALURAM,
Have so seen "Oh My God" movie? If you have not than please watch it. The film depicts clear picture of religious business in India to make people fool.
Thanks U
किसी विचारधारा अथवा राजनेतिक पार्टी का समर्थक होना अच्छी बात है न किअंध-समर्थक| अगर % देखी जाय( सुप्रीम एवं हाई-कोर्ट के आंकड़ों पर आधारित तो शहर से ज्यादा ग्रामीण अंचल मेन ज्यादा केस हुए है ?
maine Delhi ke % ki baat ki hain... jahan tak sahron aur gaon ke bichh ki baat hain to jansankhyaa ke aadhar par % check karen... aapko bhi maloom chal jayega.... desh ki kitni % aabaadi gaon me rehti hain ye bhi dekhlo.... jo gaon me aisa karta hain vo kahin na kahin shahron ki haal dhaal dekh kar hi aisa karta hain... sharaab videshi sanskruti ka hissa hain.. dhire dhire yeh rog gaon main bhi fail raha hain.....
I think scholars take their own view on Jinnah based on their own convictions and views. Certainly a man who started off as an INC member, fond of pork, cigars and his wine cant be a Muslim hardliner. But then his actions post-1920 would hardly make him secular. His intransigence in the lead upto 1947 firmly planted him on one side of the divide.
By the way, you possibly can not know my intentions; you have to be a hell of a psychologist to figure that out. You can interpret my words but not my intentions.
Not your intentions, Jinnah's. You probably got to read that again.
Ideally, I want private jet for me and a bit of weight gain. For India, I wish a homogeneous society, free of caste- religious- discrimination, free of poverty and diseases, better infrastructure, and high quality of life. I also want world-peace!! :very_drunk:
But utopia is too much to ask, so I wish to settle for the second best thing. Yes, I want polarization to increase and saturate resulting in a stalemate. As simple as that.
Of course I am agitated by MIM's antics. Not because it was a hate-speech but because it happens regularly and MIM gets away with it.
No, they are anti-national because they are anti-national. circular logic. And this is how it works: anti-Hindu/anti-minority/anti-dalit/anti-any-caste = anti-national. PERIOD.
As far as MIM, I can go back in History and narrate the Razakars episode but I believe you already know that story. You must also be aware of their rable-rousing speeches, their affinity towards MUSLIM-UMMAH, soft corner towards all muslim terrorists (they always justify their actions), their addressing of Indian parliament (and India) as Kufarstan, more sympathetic towards muslin atrocities in Palestine, Kashmir, Burma than next door victims of Islamic terrorism. Yes, this is what I called ANTI-NATIONAL.
Probably, you do not get what I mean by polarization. I don't mean polarization = Riots + Senseless Killing. There is also a severe religious polarization in Kerala. There is a caste polarization in UP, Bihar, TN, Karnataka and many other states: Does that mean caste-based target killings (and please don't invoke Ranveer Sena here!) ? No.
So, why are you so skeptical about religious polarization? or is it because muslims have shown propensity towards violence in such situations?
I am not mistaken. Of course, majority polarization will defeat the minority polarization or at least will render it (and their worth in electoral voting) moot. It has happened all over the world. Look at the recent Arab-spring: Muslim brotherhood is sweeping... how much is the worth of Coptic Christians votes (they are over 10% in Egypt)? Zilch. Nada. Zero. Nil. Sunay.
Look closer to home. Ever heard that minorities are king maker in democratic Bangladesh? their % was quite reasonable. Did minorities have any say in democratic Pakistan politics?
Why is this? If not the majority polarization, then what explain the worthlessness of religious minorities in most muslim-majority countries (even if they happen to be democratic)? Please enlighten me.
Once again, don't suspect my intentions; they are not necessarily good. :very_drunk: I have grown-up from that awkward immature-unrealistically-idealistic-phase of life.
That is THE point: Idiots don't stop. Otherwise there won't be any idiots. :singing:
Even assuming that MIM will stop using religious hatred against Hindus to garner votes is living in fool's paradise. Once this is settled, what do you propose to deal with vicious MIM? Their hatred is growing each day and influencing more and more people; so, why not cut the crap and go for the broke!?
Well looks like idealistic phase of yours gave way to a cynical phase. I like the idea of countering one kind of evil with another, but it simply doesn't work, not at the national scale. Such extreme polarization is more suited to the developed world where people are capable of exercising restraint and not get carried away based on the political group they support. But in developing countries like ours, there are is already a tinder box huge enough to set the country on fire many times over. So I am glad these the zealots and right-wingers and their supporters are still a minority and that is how it shall remain in my opinion.
rajpaldular
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[h=5]नरेंद्र मोदी . . .
एक ऐसी शख्सियत, जिसका नाम मात्र सुनने से कई देशो मे खलबली मच जाती है..
एक ऐसा नाम जिसको सुनकर कांग्रेसियो की हवाईयाँ उड़ जाती है,
एक ऐसा नाम जिससे देश के दुश्मन इतना डरते हैं कि चुनाव के तीन साल पहले से ही बार- बार प्रधानमंत्री का नाम इसलिए उछालते हैं ताकि मुस्लिम वोट उन्हें ना मिल पाए..
एक ऐसा नाम जिससे गद्दार डर कर उन्हें मौत का सौदागर कह जाते हैं..
एक ऐसा नाम जिसकी विरोधी जीतोड़ कोशिश कर रहे हैं कि वो पी.एम ना बने,
क्योंकि वो जानते हैं कि अगर ये नाम पी.एम बन गया तो उन्हें इस देश में रहने या मूह छुपाने की जगह नही मिलेगी..
एक ऐसा शख्स जिसकी जितनी बुराई की जाती है उतनी ही लोकप्रियता देश के लोगों में बढ़ती चली जाती है..
एक ऐसा इंसान जो पूरे देश को अपना घर समझकर सबको सुखी बनाना चाहता है..
लेकिन कुछ लोग(नीच नेहरु खानदान) डरते हैं कि कहीं इस नाम के आने से वो सल्तनत ना डूब जाए, जिसे वो अपने बाप की जागीर समझते आए हैं..
कांग्रेस भगाओ, देश बचाओ..[/h]
एक ऐसी शख्सियत, जिसका नाम मात्र सुनने से कई देशो मे खलबली मच जाती है..
एक ऐसा नाम जिसको सुनकर कांग्रेसियो की हवाईयाँ उड़ जाती है,
एक ऐसा नाम जिससे देश के दुश्मन इतना डरते हैं कि चुनाव के तीन साल पहले से ही बार- बार प्रधानमंत्री का नाम इसलिए उछालते हैं ताकि मुस्लिम वोट उन्हें ना मिल पाए..
एक ऐसा नाम जिससे गद्दार डर कर उन्हें मौत का सौदागर कह जाते हैं..
एक ऐसा नाम जिसकी विरोधी जीतोड़ कोशिश कर रहे हैं कि वो पी.एम ना बने,
क्योंकि वो जानते हैं कि अगर ये नाम पी.एम बन गया तो उन्हें इस देश में रहने या मूह छुपाने की जगह नही मिलेगी..
एक ऐसा शख्स जिसकी जितनी बुराई की जाती है उतनी ही लोकप्रियता देश के लोगों में बढ़ती चली जाती है..
एक ऐसा इंसान जो पूरे देश को अपना घर समझकर सबको सुखी बनाना चाहता है..
लेकिन कुछ लोग(नीच नेहरु खानदान) डरते हैं कि कहीं इस नाम के आने से वो सल्तनत ना डूब जाए, जिसे वो अपने बाप की जागीर समझते आए हैं..
कांग्रेस भगाओ, देश बचाओ..[/h]
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What 'Gujrati' Muslims think of Owaisi -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgivpeDdAhc
What 'Gujrati' Muslims think of Owaisi -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgivpeDdAhc
Bade Bujrgo ke paanv chhoonga bhi hamari family values ka hi ek hissa hai -
Anyways, no wonder media grossly misinterpreted Bhagwat's speech about women housewife issue. Go thro' the whole video and figure out what wrong Bhagwat said!
http://samvada.org/2013/news-digest/video-rss-chief-mohan-bhagwat-speech-on-women-housewife-issue/
Anyways, no wonder media grossly misinterpreted Bhagwat's speech about women housewife issue. Go thro' the whole video and figure out what wrong Bhagwat said!
http://samvada.org/2013/news-digest/video-rss-chief-mohan-bhagwat-speech-on-women-housewife-issue/
From what I know girls, even in sanatan dharm, are not allowed to touch feet and it is because they are considered to be a goddess.
Elders please correct me if I am wrong.
Elders please correct me if I am wrong.
पाकिस्तान द्वारा दो भारतीय सैनिकों की निर्मम
हत्या की दुखद घटना पर पाकिस्तान को जवाब देने के लिए
सेना के एक उच्च
पदाधिकारी द्वारा प्रधानमंत्री को किया गया फोन ......
यदि विभिन्न नेता प्रधानमन्त्री होते तो उनके सेना के उच्च
पदाधिकारी के लिए क्या जवाब होता आइये जानते हैं :
सेना अधिकारी : सर, आज दुशमनों की तरफ से हमारे
दो जवानों शहीद कर दिए गए हैं, आपका क्या आदेश है ?
मनमोहन सिंह : ................... मेडम जी से पूछकर
बताता हूँ l
राहुल गाँधी : पाकिस्तानियों से बड़े दुश्मन हिन्दू संघटन है
पहले उनपर कार्यवाई करो l
चिदम्बरम : हर हमला रोक पाना संभव नहीं ऐसे हादसे
तो होते रहते हैं l
मुलायम सिंह : कुछ भी हुआ हो पर किसी मुसलमान को कोई
नुकसान नहीं पहुंचना चाहिए l
मायावती : पहले ये बताओ की मरने वाले जवान दलित थे
या मनुवादी ?
दिग्विजय कहता इसमें RSS का हाथ है
नितीश कुमार : फ़िलहाल अगले आदेश की प्रतीक्षा करें,
हमारे किसी भी निर्णय से देश का सांप्रदायिक सद्भाव खतरे
में पड़ सकता है l
नरेन्द्र मोदी : वो 2 सर ले गए हैं तो मुझे उनके 10 सर
चाहिए l
सेना अधिकारी : पर सर, इसके लिए LOC को लांघना होगा,
अन्तराष्ट्रीय बिरादरी नाराज़ होगी l
नरेन्द्र मोदी : अन्तराष्ट्रीय बिरादरी से मैं निपट लूँगा पर
मुझे दुश्मनों के 10 सर चाहिए, इसके लिए आपको मैं
पूरी छूट देता हूँ और इसके लिए आपको हर प्रकार
की सहायता दी जाएगी l
हत्या की दुखद घटना पर पाकिस्तान को जवाब देने के लिए
सेना के एक उच्च
पदाधिकारी द्वारा प्रधानमंत्री को किया गया फोन ......
यदि विभिन्न नेता प्रधानमन्त्री होते तो उनके सेना के उच्च
पदाधिकारी के लिए क्या जवाब होता आइये जानते हैं :
सेना अधिकारी : सर, आज दुशमनों की तरफ से हमारे
दो जवानों शहीद कर दिए गए हैं, आपका क्या आदेश है ?
मनमोहन सिंह : ................... मेडम जी से पूछकर
बताता हूँ l
राहुल गाँधी : पाकिस्तानियों से बड़े दुश्मन हिन्दू संघटन है
पहले उनपर कार्यवाई करो l
चिदम्बरम : हर हमला रोक पाना संभव नहीं ऐसे हादसे
तो होते रहते हैं l
मुलायम सिंह : कुछ भी हुआ हो पर किसी मुसलमान को कोई
नुकसान नहीं पहुंचना चाहिए l
मायावती : पहले ये बताओ की मरने वाले जवान दलित थे
या मनुवादी ?
दिग्विजय कहता इसमें RSS का हाथ है
नितीश कुमार : फ़िलहाल अगले आदेश की प्रतीक्षा करें,
हमारे किसी भी निर्णय से देश का सांप्रदायिक सद्भाव खतरे
में पड़ सकता है l
नरेन्द्र मोदी : वो 2 सर ले गए हैं तो मुझे उनके 10 सर
चाहिए l
सेना अधिकारी : पर सर, इसके लिए LOC को लांघना होगा,
अन्तराष्ट्रीय बिरादरी नाराज़ होगी l
नरेन्द्र मोदी : अन्तराष्ट्रीय बिरादरी से मैं निपट लूँगा पर
मुझे दुश्मनों के 10 सर चाहिए, इसके लिए आपको मैं
पूरी छूट देता हूँ और इसके लिए आपको हर प्रकार
की सहायता दी जाएगी l
Waise NaMo ka pahla sawal hota: Marne wala Hindu hai ya mussalman? Hindu hai to aage ki baat padho warna marne do
Waise sahi baat kahi hai, 2002 ke baad ab tak jaise sambhal rahe hai har kisi ko waise hi international community ko bhi sambhalte rahenge.
aur kuch naam main jod deta hu:
Mohan Bhagwat: Aurat the ya aadmi? Check karo unka contract kya kahta tha
Asaram: Agar unhone subah uthkar mantra ka jap kia hota to bach jate
Saluram: Oh, ab main ise congress ke sath kaise jodu? Kya sainik congressi the?
Desi aapne kahan ki mohan bhagwat, asharam aur saluram inme se to koi neta nahin hain aur maine to sirf netaon ki baat ki thi.......
desi (congress ke pravakta JL) :- meri sarkaar ko log fir napunsak kahenge main kya karun??? ohh Owl baba ke kisi chamche se baat karni padegi.....
desi (congress ke pravakta JL) :- meri sarkaar ko log fir napunsak kahenge main kya karun??? ohh Owl baba ke kisi chamche se baat karni padegi.....
Salu bhai, agar chamcho ke piche bhaagta ya un tak pahunch bhi hoti to aap ke sath raad na mar raha hota, RS ka member ban ke Smriti Irani ya Nakvi ki tarah mauj katt raha hota.
Ideally, I want private jet for me and a bit of weight gain. For India, I wish a homogeneous society, free of caste- religious- discrimination, free of poverty and diseases, better infrastructure, and high quality of life. I also want world-peace!! :very_drunk:
But utopia is too much to ask, so I wish to settle for the second best thing. Yes, I want polarization to increase and saturate resulting in a stalemate. As simple as that.
Of course I am agitated by MIM's antics. Not because it was a hate-speech but because it happens regularly and MIM gets away with it.
No, they are anti-national because they are anti-national. circular logic. And this is how it works: anti-Hindu/anti-minority/anti-dalit/anti-any-caste = anti-national. PERIOD.
As far as MIM, I can go back in History and narrate the Razakars episode but I believe you already know that story. You must also be aware of their rable-rousing speeches, their affinity towards MUSLIM-UMMAH, soft corner towards all muslim terrorists (they always justify their actions), their addressing of Indian parliament (and India) as Kufarstan, more sympathetic towards muslin atrocities in Palestine, Kashmir, Burma than next door victims of Islamic terrorism. Yes, this is what I called ANTI-NATIONAL.
Probably, you do not get what I mean by polarization. I don't mean polarization = Riots + Senseless Killing. There is also a severe religious polarization in Kerala. There is a caste polarization in UP, Bihar, TN, Karnataka and many other states: Does that mean caste-based target killings (and please don't invoke Ranveer Sena here!) ? No.
So, why are you so skeptical about religious polarization? or is it because muslims have shown propensity towards violence in such situations?
I am not mistaken. Of course, majority polarization will defeat the minority polarization or at least will render it (and their worth in electoral voting) moot. It has happened all over the world. Look at the recent Arab-spring: Muslim brotherhood is sweeping... how much is the worth of Coptic Christians votes (they are over 10% in Egypt)? Zilch. Nada. Zero. Nil. Sunay.
Look closer to home. Ever heard that minorities are king maker in democratic Bangladesh? their % was quite reasonable. Did minorities have any say in democratic Pakistan politics?
Why is this? If not the majority polarization, then what explain the worthlessness of religious minorities in most muslim-majority countries (even if they happen to be democratic)? Please enlighten me.
Once again, don't suspect my intentions; they are not necessarily good. :very_drunk: I have grown-up from that awkward immature-unrealistically-idealistic-phase of life.
That is THE point: Idiots don't stop. Otherwise there won't be any idiots. :singing:
Even assuming that MIM will stop using religious hatred against Hindus to garner votes is living in fool's paradise. Once this is settled, what do you propose to deal with vicious MIM? Their hatred is growing each day and influencing more and more people; so, why not cut the crap and go for the broke!?
Sunil, I was with you till you were agitated with MIM's antics. But not with the polarization medicine. The examples of Bangladesh and Pakistan where minorities are polarized out are fine, but we don't want India to be a Hindu Pakistan, do we? We can't solve a problem by creating a bigger problem.
The gains of polarization are to the few who get easy, unaccountable power. Rajiv Gandhi got the biggest mandate due to polarization (Hindu polarization at that) after his mother's death, despite him being a nobody on his own and till date we are suffering with "born-leaders" with no leadership skills, not only from this dynasty; but copy-cat dynasties all over India. What is there for India to gain from an electorate that is divided on religious/caste lines? Rather, we should ask, who is to gain? Only Owaisi types would gain who'd get the power without any accountability.
If X% of India is voting on polarized lines, the solution lies in minimizing X and not maximizing it.
As far as Owaisi is concerned, he should be booked for hate crime and maybe sedition as well (rather than applying it on poor professors and likes of Arundhati), tried in a court and punished accordingly. It is as simple as that. We know it won't happen as simply and there lies the tragedy. But that is the only solution. Public opinion needs to be built in that direction. It is a good thing that there is a furore on the issue. As far as his audience are concerned, propaganda is always attractive to the masses. Justice system is there to check what all can be done in the name of democracy, one of which is to stop such propagandaists.
atamjeet78
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Saluramji and Vikas
Its one thing to take cheap shots at politician but it is disgusting and despicable to make the mockery of martydom achieved by soldiers at battlefront. Knowing that our community has a major share manpower who form the frontline defence be it army or BSF.
It could be our bhai, beta or jamai. If these soldiers were not there, our enemies will be beheading us like them. Please show some respect to fallen soldiers.
Its one thing to take cheap shots at politician but it is disgusting and despicable to make the mockery of martydom achieved by soldiers at battlefront. Knowing that our community has a major share manpower who form the frontline defence be it army or BSF.
It could be our bhai, beta or jamai. If these soldiers were not there, our enemies will be beheading us like them. Please show some respect to fallen soldiers.
And how different are you being? Please take some time out to follow threads before passing on personal comments on people you have never interacted with .
None the less no where in any of my post I disrespected the soldier or their supreme sacrifice.
None the less no where in any of my post I disrespected the soldier or their supreme sacrifice.
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