Are marriage alliances uncommon between the two regions?
Haryana and West UP
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Are marriage alliances uncommon between the two regions?
anilsangwan
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malikpriya
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Western UP or haryana ko ek sath jod k kyu duniyaa ka nash karo ho..........:stupid:
Is baat ko kabhi b ni maana jayga kyunki agar aisa ho gaya to in non jaats k naak me lath aa jaga inhe jutti ser pe rakh k bhaagna padegaa....!!
jitender_singh
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sahee baat ..apne toh 3 jagah rishtedaari hai haryana up ar delhi 
haan door ki rajasthan main bhi mil jaayegi
haan door ki rajasthan main bhi mil jaayegirinkusheoran
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anil, this is reason why we are fighting got OBC status, once we come in OBC we will be in level with UP n Delhi JATS, uss pachhe riste karenegey
PS:- Anil tera byah na hua sai to to le koi
drrajpalsingh
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anil, this is reason why we are fighting got OBC status, once we come in OBC we will be in level with UP n Delhi JATS, uss pachhe riste karenegey
PS:- Anil tera byah na hua sai to to le koi
Good twist to thread debate! In addition to OBC status, what other criterion do you expect to be fulfilled or fixed for inter-state and intra state matrimonial alliances/ relations. They are already in vogue among the Jats of bordering districts of various states which is a well known fact to all.
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drrajpalsingh
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Bhai aap ke vichar pragat karne aur aapki sehat ka to mein pura sanman karata huen prantu aapko bhi gussa kabu mein rakhne ki aadat dalni chahiye tabhi aapki sehat badhiya bani rahegi. Jab aap ko asahmat hone ka adhikaar hai to dusron ko bhi aap is adhikaar ka prayog karane deven; mera yahi kahana tha.
Kya aap samjhate hain kee kabhi bhi puri Jat community ek hi political party ko vote degi? aaj ke halat ko dekhkar to aisa nahin lagata.
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rekhasmriti
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bro not sure about my facts
but what i have told long time back was-------hum punjab se alag huye the ----woh jahan max jat population thi
so division koi across india nahi hua tha on the basis on culture
bhai not sure----bas suna tha
but what i have told long time back was-------hum punjab se alag huye the ----woh jahan max jat population thi
so division koi across india nahi hua tha on the basis on culture
bhai not sure----bas suna tha
rekhasmriti
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rekhasmriti
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" Then who is national level leader from our community ?"
this should be the statement of all Jat movements
who is our leader-----------
this should be the statement of all Jat movements
who is our leader-----------
rekhasmriti
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priya g---
phir toh try karna banta hai
who knows----in that case ----agla pm bhi humara
cm bhi
n president bhi
kar lo kya karoge
phir toh try karna banta hai
who knows----in that case ----agla pm bhi humara
cm bhi
n president bhi
kar lo kya karoge
puneetlakra
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Yes , not the first preference from both sides
Mix Jat population?
Mathura,etc fall under Brij region, these districts are culturally similar to Bharatpur, Dholpur,etc of Rajasthan. I think, western UP should be divided and it's khari boli speaking region should be merged with Haryana and Brij speaking region should be merged with Rajasthan. What about Rohilakhand then ?
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phoolkumar
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The Original Haryana
Ancient as well as present day Haryanvi speaking area and its annoyance: Nothing can be cruel and ridiculous for a state where its own history and culture find minimal mentioning in books of its own state board for education. It has been a province which was kept bifurcated as a punishment to its fierce revolutions and stern calls against time to time found foreign invaders turned rulers {e.g. 1857' first revolution for Indian independence as a post-result of which Dilli (Delhi) and Western U.P. were carved out from Haryana and rest of western Haryana was tagged into the then Punjab states, though the roots of this bifurcation watered back in 1803, with entry of several farmers and peasantry agitations led by local farming revolutionists in regions across Gohad, Rohtak and Agra.} in pre-independence history of India.
In 1955, newly formed government of independent India formed a commission for the reorganization of her states, internal territories and provinces on the besis of language, culture, life-style and historical affinity. People of Haryana had submitted demand before this commission in 1955-56 demanding carving out of Haryana comprising of its historically bifurcated Hindi speaking areas of the then Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Delhi and districts of Jhunjhunu, Bharatpur, Sriganganagar, Alwar and Dheeg in Rajasthan on the basis of cultural, linguistically (Haryanvi dialectical accent) and historical affinity (like Bharatpur riyasat was spread across borders of modern day Rohtak, Jhajjar, Gurgaon and Faridabad). But the then central government rejected their plea on the basis of keeping the border state of India Punjab as a strong unit of the Union of India, keeping the stronghold of U.P. in central politics and the fertile area of western U.P. {eastern part of bowl of grains (full bowl comprises of Punjab, Haryana and Western U.P.)} which otherwise had put an adverse affect on economy of U.P. as a whole.
However it led to dissatisfaction among the Haryanavies and friction continued till 1966 when Haryana was carved out on the basis of linguistic reorganization of the then Punjab on 1st November, 1966. The Pahadi languages spoken areas of the then Punjab were merged with Himachal Pradesh and a new Union Territory namely Chandigarh also came into existence. Even in 1966, the then 1955' demanded Haryana reorgnaization was not fulfilled and the rest of region is still going bifurcated.
Haryana will be a complete state in true sense when these regions of Western U.P., Dilli, districts of northern Rajsthan, some more Hindi (Haryanvi) speaking regions left with Punjab alongwith modern day Haryana would be merged as one state. Below map shows how it will look alike if this so long awaited demand of people is met. But now it seems in the deep interest of current ambitious domestic politics to carry on the flay.
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Historical facts of ancient Haryana: The Palam Boali Inscription which deals with period of Prithvi Raj Chouhan, contains its name as Haryana Desh. But Haryana as a country is recorded much before by Jain poet Vibudh Sridhar in his book Pasanah Chariu in times of Mahipal tomar. Here he mentions about Haryana Desh, its capital and charcter of its people:
"There are countless villages in Haryana country. The villagers there work hard. They don't accept domination of others, and are experts in making the blood of their enemies flow. God Indra himself praises this country. The capital of this country is Dilli. So this book clearly found Dilli as capital of Haryana of ancient times.
A cursory glance on glory and importance of ancient Haryana: Haryana is a cradle of the Indian culture and civilization where mantras of the Vedas were enchanted first at the banks of the River Saraswati. (The river was considered most mighty as to the volume of water it carried and venerated more profusely than the Ganges in the yore). This is the place where SriKrishana delivered the immortal preaching’s contained in the Sreemad Bhagwad Gita!
The famous battle of Bharata known as Mahabharata {This battle is said to be fought over 48 suare Kosh (miles) which makes it almost 80 kms radius of land taking Kurukshetra as center, with an estimation its circumference goes upto Jind district in south, Patiala in west, Ambala in north and Shamli-Saharanpur-Hastinapur in Western U.P. and of course the current day Dilli (the Indraparsth of that period) and Hastinapur was the focal point of the whole epic. And if to take the full expansion of region then who can forget to mention Mathura and Braj area below Dilli, where the central legend of this epic hails from}.
Beside Mahabharta, three battles of Panipat, battles of Tarain 1191-92, battle of Karnal 1739 and rise of farmers and peasants against the British occupation of the region since 1803 onwards is the testimony of the existence of this prime land in the forefront of the national politics land. Thanesar (now in Kurukshetra) was the seat of power of Khap lover Maharaja Harashvardhan Pushyabhuti during period of 643 A.D.
Types of Haryanvi spoken in modern day: Currently Haryanvi falls under Indo Iranian > Indo-Aryan > Central zone > Western Hindi > Haryanvi, language family chain. Below is how the family of Haryanvi language can be distributed on geographic map:
It is just not the language but our cultural values, ethics, social norms also presents a unanimous similarity. We tie marriage knots, relations of brotherhood and family clans like Tapa, Khaps, tilldate throughout presence of ages old social democracy of Khaps, all together gives a rigid strength to call this region as a whole "The Original Haryana".
Special Note: NH-AB supports the status of "Rajbhasha" for Haryanvi in Indian Languages. We appreciate all such kind of initiatives and lobbying by our local political leaders like Rohtak MP Ch. Deepender Hooda and Kurukshetra MP Mr. Naveen Jindal to get Rajbhasha status for Haryanvi in National Parliament. Of course it is enough proof to bargain for a Rajbhasha status a minimum as this is a language of around 4 to 5 crores people of India.
Note: This article is written purely with intention of describing the history of ancient Haryana and its geographical expension on the basis of language and culture affinity. So in no way it should seen as any kind of contradiction to current Indian fabric and interests. We also ask you to correct us on any point if found missing the facts. More content will be added to article with time.
The Haryanav which lives across the banks and plains of Ganges-Yamuna-Sarswati-Sutlej.
Ancient as well as present day Haryanvi speaking area and its annoyance: Nothing can be cruel and ridiculous for a state where its own history and culture find minimal mentioning in books of its own state board for education. It has been a province which was kept bifurcated as a punishment to its fierce revolutions and stern calls against time to time found foreign invaders turned rulers {e.g. 1857' first revolution for Indian independence as a post-result of which Dilli (Delhi) and Western U.P. were carved out from Haryana and rest of western Haryana was tagged into the then Punjab states, though the roots of this bifurcation watered back in 1803, with entry of several farmers and peasantry agitations led by local farming revolutionists in regions across Gohad, Rohtak and Agra.} in pre-independence history of India.
In 1955, newly formed government of independent India formed a commission for the reorganization of her states, internal territories and provinces on the besis of language, culture, life-style and historical affinity. People of Haryana had submitted demand before this commission in 1955-56 demanding carving out of Haryana comprising of its historically bifurcated Hindi speaking areas of the then Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Delhi and districts of Jhunjhunu, Bharatpur, Sriganganagar, Alwar and Dheeg in Rajasthan on the basis of cultural, linguistically (Haryanvi dialectical accent) and historical affinity (like Bharatpur riyasat was spread across borders of modern day Rohtak, Jhajjar, Gurgaon and Faridabad). But the then central government rejected their plea on the basis of keeping the border state of India Punjab as a strong unit of the Union of India, keeping the stronghold of U.P. in central politics and the fertile area of western U.P. {eastern part of bowl of grains (full bowl comprises of Punjab, Haryana and Western U.P.)} which otherwise had put an adverse affect on economy of U.P. as a whole.
However it led to dissatisfaction among the Haryanavies and friction continued till 1966 when Haryana was carved out on the basis of linguistic reorganization of the then Punjab on 1st November, 1966. The Pahadi languages spoken areas of the then Punjab were merged with Himachal Pradesh and a new Union Territory namely Chandigarh also came into existence. Even in 1966, the then 1955' demanded Haryana reorgnaization was not fulfilled and the rest of region is still going bifurcated.
Haryana will be a complete state in true sense when these regions of Western U.P., Dilli, districts of northern Rajsthan, some more Hindi (Haryanvi) speaking regions left with Punjab alongwith modern day Haryana would be merged as one state. Below map shows how it will look alike if this so long awaited demand of people is met. But now it seems in the deep interest of current ambitious domestic politics to carry on the flay.
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Image: Borders of Ancient Haryana Province in red lines. Look for the image from given link below, this image is also on other posts at JL itself.
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Historical facts of ancient Haryana: The Palam Boali Inscription which deals with period of Prithvi Raj Chouhan, contains its name as Haryana Desh. But Haryana as a country is recorded much before by Jain poet Vibudh Sridhar in his book Pasanah Chariu in times of Mahipal tomar. Here he mentions about Haryana Desh, its capital and charcter of its people:
"There are countless villages in Haryana country. The villagers there work hard. They don't accept domination of others, and are experts in making the blood of their enemies flow. God Indra himself praises this country. The capital of this country is Dilli. So this book clearly found Dilli as capital of Haryana of ancient times.
A cursory glance on glory and importance of ancient Haryana: Haryana is a cradle of the Indian culture and civilization where mantras of the Vedas were enchanted first at the banks of the River Saraswati. (The river was considered most mighty as to the volume of water it carried and venerated more profusely than the Ganges in the yore). This is the place where SriKrishana delivered the immortal preaching’s contained in the Sreemad Bhagwad Gita!
The famous battle of Bharata known as Mahabharata {This battle is said to be fought over 48 suare Kosh (miles) which makes it almost 80 kms radius of land taking Kurukshetra as center, with an estimation its circumference goes upto Jind district in south, Patiala in west, Ambala in north and Shamli-Saharanpur-Hastinapur in Western U.P. and of course the current day Dilli (the Indraparsth of that period) and Hastinapur was the focal point of the whole epic. And if to take the full expansion of region then who can forget to mention Mathura and Braj area below Dilli, where the central legend of this epic hails from}.
Beside Mahabharta, three battles of Panipat, battles of Tarain 1191-92, battle of Karnal 1739 and rise of farmers and peasants against the British occupation of the region since 1803 onwards is the testimony of the existence of this prime land in the forefront of the national politics land. Thanesar (now in Kurukshetra) was the seat of power of Khap lover Maharaja Harashvardhan Pushyabhuti during period of 643 A.D.
Types of Haryanvi spoken in modern day: Currently Haryanvi falls under Indo Iranian > Indo-Aryan > Central zone > Western Hindi > Haryanvi, language family chain. Below is how the family of Haryanvi language can be distributed on geographic map:
- Khaadar: Spoken in the belt of Karnal-Panipat and Sonipat belt.
- Deshwali: Spoken in Rohatak, Jhajjar, southern districts of Jind in Haryana and central-north-western belt of Dilli. The native residents of Dilli are Haryanvi speaking. It is spoken in some parts of Hissar, Bhiwani and Mahandergadh. Deshwali is spoken in Sonipat along with Khaadar.
- Bangru: Spoken in districts of Kaithal, Jind, north-eastern Hissar and eastern Fatehabad.
- Bagdi: Spoken in Sirsa, west-southern Hissar, western Fatehabad, Bhiwani, Mahendragarh belts of Haryana and Jhunjhnu, Sreeganganagar, Churu, Hanumangarh and Rajgarh belt of Rajsthan and Fazilka, Abohar belt of Punjab.
- Khadi Boli: Mainly spoken in belt of Western UP and eastern Dilli and with a mixture of Khaadar in Karnal-Panipat-Kurukshetra-Yamunanagar region.
- Rangdi: Spoken in borderning Pakistan. It is the language of Haryanvi Hindus turned Muslims and later on migrated to Pakistan in 1947.
- Braj Bhasha: Spoken in Faridabad, Agra, Mathura belt of U.P. and Alwar, Dheeg and Bharatpur belt of Rajsthan.
- Kourvi: Spoken in Karnal, Kurukshetra, Panipat, Yamunanagar, Ambala, Meerut, Saharanpur, Kalka and Panchkula.
- Mewati: Spoken in Gurgaon, Rewari and Narnoul.
- Ahirawati: Spoken in regions of Rewari, Mahendergarh and Narnoul, it is shared Mewati Haryanvi. Other than this parts of Tahseels of Jajhjhar, Dadri, Bhiwani of Haryana and Bahrod, Mundavar and baansur of Rajsthan are also counts in Ahirawati.
It is just not the language but our cultural values, ethics, social norms also presents a unanimous similarity. We tie marriage knots, relations of brotherhood and family clans like Tapa, Khaps, tilldate throughout presence of ages old social democracy of Khaps, all together gives a rigid strength to call this region as a whole "The Original Haryana".
Special Note: NH-AB supports the status of "Rajbhasha" for Haryanvi in Indian Languages. We appreciate all such kind of initiatives and lobbying by our local political leaders like Rohtak MP Ch. Deepender Hooda and Kurukshetra MP Mr. Naveen Jindal to get Rajbhasha status for Haryanvi in National Parliament. Of course it is enough proof to bargain for a Rajbhasha status a minimum as this is a language of around 4 to 5 crores people of India.
Note: This article is written purely with intention of describing the history of ancient Haryana and its geographical expension on the basis of language and culture affinity. So in no way it should seen as any kind of contradiction to current Indian fabric and interests. We also ask you to correct us on any point if found missing the facts. More content will be added to article with time.
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1966 को हरियाणा का जन्म वर्ष नहीं बल्कि पुनर्गठन वर्ष कहिये|
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[TD="class: style26, colspan: 2"]आज का हरियाणा 1857 से पहले के हरियाणा का एक हिस्सा है| उस हरियाणा का हिस्सा जिसमें कि आज का हरियाणा, दिल्ली, उत्तरी राजस्थान और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश होते थे| उस वक्त क्योंकि खाप सेनाओं ने इस क्षेत्र में अंग्रेजों को नाकों चने चबवाए थे, इसलिए 1857 के गदर को दबाने के बाद, इस खाप-एकता को तोड़ने के लिए अंग्रेजों नें इसके चार टुकड़े कर एक पंजाब में मिला दिया था, दिल्ली क्षेत्र को अपनी कार्यवाहियों का केंद्र बनाने हेतु अपने पास रखा (जो कि 1911 में साबित भी हुआ जब भारत की राजधानी कलकत्ता से दिल्ली लाइ गई), पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश को आज के उत्तर प्रदेश में मिला दिया और उत्तरी राजस्थान को उस वक्त के राजस्थान में मिला दिया| यह तोड़ना ईतना सख्त था कि अंग्रेजों ने यमुना के आर-पार तो शादियों तक पर भी रोक लगा दी थी| सो आज का हरियाणा पूरा हरियाणा नहीं है, दिल्ली, उत्तरी राजस्थान और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश आज भी इससे काट के रखे हुए हैं| यह तथ्य इस बात से भी प्रमाणित होता है कि हरियाणा, दिल्ली, उत्तरी राजस्थान और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में ही खापें हैं और हरियाणवी भाषा के भिन्न-भिन्न रूप ही इस क्षेत्र के मूलनिवासियों की भाषा है|
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[TD="class: style26, colspan: 2"]आज का हरियाणा 1857 से पहले के हरियाणा का एक हिस्सा है| उस हरियाणा का हिस्सा जिसमें कि आज का हरियाणा, दिल्ली, उत्तरी राजस्थान और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश होते थे| उस वक्त क्योंकि खाप सेनाओं ने इस क्षेत्र में अंग्रेजों को नाकों चने चबवाए थे, इसलिए 1857 के गदर को दबाने के बाद, इस खाप-एकता को तोड़ने के लिए अंग्रेजों नें इसके चार टुकड़े कर एक पंजाब में मिला दिया था, दिल्ली क्षेत्र को अपनी कार्यवाहियों का केंद्र बनाने हेतु अपने पास रखा (जो कि 1911 में साबित भी हुआ जब भारत की राजधानी कलकत्ता से दिल्ली लाइ गई), पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश को आज के उत्तर प्रदेश में मिला दिया और उत्तरी राजस्थान को उस वक्त के राजस्थान में मिला दिया| यह तोड़ना ईतना सख्त था कि अंग्रेजों ने यमुना के आर-पार तो शादियों तक पर भी रोक लगा दी थी| सो आज का हरियाणा पूरा हरियाणा नहीं है, दिल्ली, उत्तरी राजस्थान और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश आज भी इससे काट के रखे हुए हैं| यह तथ्य इस बात से भी प्रमाणित होता है कि हरियाणा, दिल्ली, उत्तरी राजस्थान और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में ही खापें हैं और हरियाणवी भाषा के भिन्न-भिन्न रूप ही इस क्षेत्र के मूलनिवासियों की भाषा है| [/TD]
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